The generic Hearts thread

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Originally Posted by jacomo

The phone calls were voluntary, nae bother with those..

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The latest info is that voluntary work for your employer is not allowed if you are furloughed.

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Originally Posted by RoYO!

It's a funny one as this whole time Naismith has been painted as a saint for accepting half pay.... maybe 5k A WEEK..?

When the other option to him would be to get the government allotted 2.5k a month!

Hmmm why's he getting any plaudits again? Seems he's played a blinder! (For possibly the first time this season?!)

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Has it been confirmed Naismith has agreed 50% reduction listened to the Sportsound interview on Saturday with Budge and she said no player was being asked to take more than a 30ish :greengrin percentage cut. Given she hasn't trumpeted an agreement yet would assume no agreement in place.

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Originally Posted by ACLeith

The latest info is that voluntary work for your employer is not allowed if you are furloughed.

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It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-fo...tention-scheme

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Would encouraging fans to renew season tickets be seen as generating revenue. Suppose not directly.

Have the SPFL really not made a decision on the league yet?


These people are the biggest bunch of cowards ever.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-fo...tention-scheme

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Exactly. Does anyone really think that in these extraordinary times that HMRC are going to be running around scrutinising every player's activity while stood down?

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

Have the SPFL really not made a decision on the league yet?


These people are the biggest bunch of cowards ever.

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There’s some big meeting happening today to discuss it before taking it to all levels in the SPFL. I’m guessing it’ll be more of the same “wait and see if the virus magically disappears in the next two months” approach.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

Have the SPFL really not made a decision on the league yet?


These people are the biggest bunch of cowards ever.

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Think I heard at the weekend there was an Spfl board meeting yesterday and they would possibly then deliver what they thought to a clubs meeting today. Whether that is correct at all :greengrin or whether anything is ratified today who knows. :greengrin

On another point I wonder how the spfl board deal with decisions where some of the board members would have an obvious conflict of interest given they are primarily if not totally Donkey aside made up of club representatives.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Think I heard at the weekend there was an Spfl board meeting yesterday and they would possibly then deliver what they thought to a clubs meeting today. Whether that is correct at all :greengrin or whether anything is ratified today who knows. :greengrin

On another point I wonder how the spfl board deal with decisions where some of the board members would have an obvious conflict of interest given they are primarily if not totally Donkey aside made up of club representatives.

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Board meets this morning, then with clubs this afternoon.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

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You can’t volunteer for your employer - only another organisation. Loads of charities have workers who want to volunteer but can’t:
https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/furloughed-workers-volunteer-not-own-organisations-government-says/volunteering/article/1678576

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Originally Posted by jacomo

The phone calls were voluntary, nae bother with those.

Furlough means no working for the employer. Don’t think the club can be setting rigid training plans as this might be seen as a work task. But the players aren’t meeting up for training anyhow so little or no tactical work can be done.

Players will of course be expected to keep fit but intensity will of course drop, furlough or not. So mad not to imo... at least the club gets £2.5k a month for each player, better than nothing.

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It’s complicated - the calls might be voluntary but they were given the details by their employer so technically they’ve been asked to do work?

As for training I agree - they can train on their own but if they’ve been given a programme by the club to follow then they’re following their employers instructions.

According to the Daily Ranger, The Rangers have started digging up their pitch.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

Have the SPFL really not made a decision on the league yet?


These people are the biggest bunch of cowards ever.

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I’m no fan of the football administrators in this country but disagree with you here.

It’s a difficult decision they’ve got ahead of them and whatever route they go down they will likely have to head of a law suit. On top of that they have to be seen to be following UEFA guidance or their members will be hit hard in the pocket with possible bans from Europe.

As long as UEFA are saying the league season needs to be finished it’s difficult for our league to make a final decision.

I think the next step that will come out will be a target return date or a deadline for games starting up again with a caveat that if they’re not up and running by then, that’s when plans for next season will be unveiled.

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Originally Posted by bob12345

You can’t volunteer for your employer - only another organisation. Loads of charities have workers who want to volunteer but can’t:
https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/furlou...rticle/1678576

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You can.

The Government website I posted is explicit about that.

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Originally Posted by underscore

According to the Daily Ranger, The Rangers have started digging up their pitch.

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Thought they were already doing that during the season as it was an absolute midden.

Clubs need clarity now on whats going to happen. Not another 2 months of obscurity and confusion.

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Originally Posted by underscore

According to the Daily Ranger, The Rangers have started digging up their pitch.

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Looks like they fell for the buried pirate treasure map that was anonymously posted to Ibrox.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I’m no fan of the football administrators in this country but disagree with you here.

It’s a difficult decision they’ve got ahead of them and whatever route they go down they will likely have to head of a law suit. On top of that they have to be seen to be following UEFA guidance or their members will be hit hard in the pocket with possible bans from Europe.

As long as UEFA are saying the league season needs to be finished it’s difficult for our league to make a final decision.

I think the next step that will come out will be a target return date or a deadline for games starting up again with a caveat that if they’re not up and running by then, that’s when plans for next season will be unveiled.

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:agree: I was talking about it yesterday and the more you think about the more complicated it gets.

Contracts ending, transfer windows - can clubs sign players in the summer and if so can they play this season or do they need to wait until next season, players being cup tied but having moved on - if we play the rest of the cup in November who’s eligible? Imagine we signed Shankland having put his team out of the cup and he went on to score the winner in the final for us?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

There’s some big meeting happening today to discuss it before taking it to all levels in the SPFL. I’m guessing it’ll be more of the same “wait and see if the virus magically disappears in the next two months” approach.

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There was a meeting of the SPFL board yesterday and today there are 4 meetings of each of the 4 leagues where the board are likely to let the clubs know their recommendations.
I would think there will be leaks from today’s meetings.
While I don’t think the SPFL will make a decision today, it’s possible they set out a road map to a decision. Something along the lines of ‘if clubs can’t resume training by x date then the league will be called in current positions’. Means they are giving every chance to finish the games, so keeping UEFA happy while also giving the likes of Hearts time to adjust to the reality of relegation.


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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

Looks like they fell for the buried pirate treasure map that was anonymously posted to Ibrox.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Think I heard at the weekend there was an Spfl board meeting yesterday and they would possibly then deliver what they thought to a clubs meeting today. Whether that is correct at all :greengrin or whether anything is ratified today who knows. :greengrin

On another point I wonder how the spfl board deal with decisions where some of the board members would have an obvious conflict of interest given they are primarily if not totally Donkey aside made up of club representatives.

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The board have said that because of this, they are only going to make recommendations on this issue and the clubs will take a vote.


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Reported in The Times that they may call the lower leagues (championship down) as finished and leave decision on premier for longer to see if any chance of resuming.

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Originally Posted by underscore

According to the Daily Ranger, The Rangers have started digging up their pitch.

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Essential work? How can they get workers for that?


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Essential work? How can they get workers for that?


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Self employed folk can continue working.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

:agree: I was talking about it yesterday and the more you think about the more complicated it gets.

Contracts ending, transfer windows - can clubs sign players in the summer and if so can they play this season or do they need to wait until next season, players being cup tied but having moved on - if we play the rest of the cup in November who’s eligible? Imagine we signed Shankland having put his team out of the cup and he went on to score the winner in the final for us?

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Interesting points. The Scottish cup has a chance of being finished next season just because the clubs involved will want the cash and so will the SFA. And it’s only three games.
I would think they will have to amend the rules in these special circumstances to allow teams to play with their new squads.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

There was a meeting of the SPFL board yesterday and today there are 4 meetings of each of the 4 leagues where the board are likely to let the clubs know their recommendations.
I would think there will be leaks from today’s meetings.
While I don’t think the SPFL will make a decision today, it’s possible they set out a road map to a decision. Something along the lines of ‘if clubs can’t resume training by x date then the league will be called in current positions’. Means they are giving every chance to finish the games, so keeping UEFA happy while also giving the likes of Hearts time to adjust to the reality of relegation.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52204926

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Originally Posted by underscore

According to the Daily Ranger, The Rangers have started digging up their pitch.

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This is the closest they will ever get, to experiencing how it felt, at our end of Hampden, at the full time whistle on 21 May 2016.

Dig dig dig!

Hope they take the crossbar down too, what a day!

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Interesting points. The Scottish cup has a chance of being finished next season just because the clubs involved will want the cash and so will the SFA. And it’s only three games.
I would think they will have to amend the rules in these special circumstances to allow teams to play with their new squads.


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For the cup, I’d imagine you’re right but it could end up with a strange situation like the example I gave or even Docherty scoring the winner against us.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

For the cup, I’d imagine you’re right but it could end up with a strange situation like the example I gave or even Docherty scoring the winner against us.

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Pub quiz questions for the future.[emoji3]


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