The dates of the first US death has now been revised to almost 3 weeks earlier. More weight for the argument that this has been around longer than officially recognised?
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The dates of the first US death has now been revised to almost 3 weeks earlier. More weight for the argument that this has been around longer than officially recognised?
Thanks, that together with new infections and deaths is the best way to assess the situation accurately.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
I went for a weeks skiing in Austria on the 1st of February, I'd been carrying a bout of flu for about a week beforehand and was considering cancelling but decided there were worse places to recuperate than in a 4 star health spa. I missed the first 3 days skiing and probably shouldn't have went out on the slopes at all. Of course now with hindsight it looks like an utterly stupid thing to do. I'd also been frequently flying in and out of Milan shortly before that and I keep wondering if I might already have had the virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
The good news (if you can call it that) is that care homes and/or people in receipt of care at home can in theory be more easily isolated and supported. We haven’t done that properly yet (at all?) but circa 30% of deaths are linked to care homes.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
I certainly think as far as what went on in Wuhan I am not convinced of the official narrative in fact I think they are just BS. As for the USA they will be under pressure to put hands up and say hey if they hadn't lied we would be ok in order to deflect any failures from themselves. If I had to pick one of the 2 narratives what China says and what USA says I would say USA IMO is closer to the truth. Interesting times ahead though.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Right blah at the right timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
and
Ramping up
well ahead in today's party political broadcast.
My mum had an illness just before Christmas that sounds a lot like the description of this virus, she had a persistent dry cough for days. Looking back it's quite possibly been the Coronavirus as there would have been people coming here from China and the virus will have had the chance to spread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
We'll never know as she wasn't diagnosed with anything but it makes you wonder.
I shared this before but maybe worth againQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html
A lot of colleagues of mine, and me, had a lingering illness, sort of cold/mild flu from October into December, and has carried over for some of us. It never seemed to shift. Symptoms tended to be a cough, sniffles and generally feeling grotty and fatigued. One puts it down to something seasonal, but it lasted for weeks or months. In hindsight, one has to wonder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I can sift through a lot of political waffle generally, but I just couldnt watch it today. Hancocks Half Hour has stopped being good TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Raab's been straining every sinew again, night and day.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
https://t.co/2wyInUFUz9
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I was ill in early December. I had a couple of days off work, felt pretty lousy but worked on through most of it. This did feel different to most colds etc I've had before, but the thing that seemed different about this one was that, like you, it took ages to shrug off. In fact, in all honesty, I'd probably say that it is only very recently that I've got rid of it and even then I have a wee bit of a funny noise breathing that didn't exist before, and I did take a day off again in February when it felt worse again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
I read about a 45 year old Scottish guy who recently died of Covid-19. He didn't have any "underlying health conditions" but he was clearly carrying a bit of timber in the photos. In the article it was mentioned that he had had a heavy cold/ flu towards the end of last year, and I have heard of issues in people who have been very ill with Covid-19 who have had antibodies to a previous coronavirus infection, who have developed a mad, unhelpful immune response to this new one.
:dunno:
The Culture Secretary has said that if the EPL need to play games behind closed doors they should be free to view for all. Also said that there have been positive discussions regarding the prospect of closed door games.
Sounds to me as though there is a distinct possibility that we could see football in some form this summer.
He has a pulsing vein on his forehead and a permanent bead of sweat, like hes trying to force something out. Hes clearly in need of some fresh fruit.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
The lack of testing is concerning with cases like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I had what I thought was going to be a cold in early February. The usual sore throat that preceded a cold but the runny nose, sneezing etc never came. I had a fever that crept up on me and then a cough for a couple of days and felt a bit achy. Nothing more came off it but it took a good 2/3 weeks until I felt fully back to normal. That isn't like me. At the same time my daughter was a bit out of sorts, lethargic and grumpy and she was saying 'head hurts, head hurts' a lot.
The day after lockdown started my fiance developed a really hacking, dry cough and was running a fever for about 3 days. We all done the 14 day total lockdown. Her cough persisted for 2 full weeks so she phoned 111 and explained all the symptoms. They said she likely had the virus but because her fever had gone and the cough was improving she didn't need tested unless she took a turn for the worse. It's probably only the last few days the cough has really gone for good.
Despite us all living in close proximity neither my daughter or I have had any sign of illness and we are 5 weeks down the line from the 1st symptoms in our house. It makes me wonder if my daughter and I both had the virus with mild symptoms and have passed it on to my fiance who had more acute symptoms. Of course it could just be diagnosing by hindsight but it's curious. Usually in our house if someone gets a cold or a cough we all get it.
We are in a situation of never knowing.
I don't disagree with the article (I totally agree with it and I've aired a few personal views on the underfunding of healthcare on this site over the years).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
"The NHS and the funding of it" is not necessarily where I would point the finger when it comes to this crisis though, possibly the opposite. "The NHS" and in many ways the government have done pretty well since the outbreak started to not just cope with what has been thrown at it but to increase capacity in order to cope with more. I also think we sometimes need to give the government a bit of a break when it comes to criticising them for not having meticulously planned for a situation that is almost impossible to plan for.
As I see it the biggest failings we have had have been a bit more indirect - namely the PPE shortage and the issues with testing. I have a hunch that we have been caught out by the global supply chain breaking down and it has taken too long for the authorities to acknowledge this, deal with it, rectify it and inform us of it. I don't think they'll ever inform us of the problems or formally acknowledge any failings but I am most concerned about the "dealing with it and rectifying it" and the issues with PPE and testing are getting quite far beyond the inexcusable stage and many of us feel like we want answers.
When problems became obvious, should it have been beyond the wit of the UK manufacturing industry to have raw materials (quite possibly) and to be able to step up to the plate to "make" what we need? Have we become so obsessed with our financial services based economy that we have been rendered practically useless in this capacity? The ability of the likes of Brewdog and Eden Mill to quickly turn their and to making alcohol gel would suggest not. Do we really not have what it takes to make loads of FFP3 masks in a hurry? I genuinely don't know.
Like everyone I'm dismayed at the levels of honesty from the politicians but it has made me ask a question - can we actually handle the truth, and what might we do if we knew?
My main concerns with the NHS now extend long beyond this crisis, which one way or another we'll get through. It's how it survives when faced with the likes of Osbourne's suggestion of "ten years of austerity" and how health services in this country might stand up to future challenges regarding funding increased PPE and cross infection control procedures that will in all likelihood need to be "ramped up". Somebody's going to have to pay for it.
One of these days, it's gonna blow ...Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/12/04...hrobbing-vein/
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...HoWX2j4zLRc6OY
The Times journalists speak.
'A massive spider web of failing'. 'Every domino has fallen'.
A really devastating takedown of this Government. Hancock possibly comes out of this even worse than Johnson. I just hope enough people hear it or read about it.
The Times and Sunday Times are really putting the boot in. Wonder what the agenda is - get rid of Johnson and replace with Gove?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I think its because the Government went into so much effort over the weekend to rebut the original articles, including sticking the rebuttal on the gov.uk site. The journalists take down the rebuttal totally here. There is absolutely no precedent for any PM missing Cobra meetings in the past, far less for something so massive as the Covid crisis. There was almost no evidence they've done anything substantial to get hold of PPE. There's evidence that they deliberately ignored medical experts they didnt want to listen to. They gave PPE to China when it was clear we needed it. And Hancock? The facts are clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorrie
Johnson is the Telegraph’s man. I’m pretty sure the Times sacked him for lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorrie
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CMO very much to the fore of the evening update with some pretty explicit info.
"Some very socially disruptive measures" set to remain in force for the rest of the year. As I've said on the main form, it's hard to imagine we'll see any mass gatherings, whether sporting or cultural for a long time.
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To complement the discussion about the possible beneficial effects of tabs. 20 bensons please!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-po...mpression=true
Pressure rising for end to lockdown.
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I remember saying in January that I couldn't remember so many folk coming down with bugs in the lead up to Christmas and after New Year. Now, most or all of those cases might have been colds/flu. But we're starting to speculate that this virus might have arrived much earlier than we are being told (not unreasonable if cases started in China around October or November). Let's say for the sake of argument that it started infecting the community during December - could it be that millions had been infected (and the vast majority recovered) when we believed it was something just beginning in China?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
As you say, the lack of testing means we're all just dealing in guesswork at the moment.
Presumably all 'questions' at the daily press conference are vetted thoroughly, there was absolutely no mention of the EU offer of PPE that wasn't accepted 4 TIMES by the UK government, or that apparently quite a few of the tests in the early days of the virus were wrong and some people were told they had it when they didn't and self-isolated, and others were given a negative result when they did have it and carried on working, probably passing on to others as well. Raab, in his position as Foreign Secretary, should at the very least have been made to offer some explanation for the first point.
Putting the economy before the health of the population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I’m no expert but if we start to fling doors open to businesses will it not result in a second peak? Something we are so desperate to avoid?
This on the day that the shiny new Nightingale hospital was turning patients away because of staff shortages.
If what was doing the rounds earlier was this virus though, why was it so mild in everyone? Why is it only over the past x number of months that we say an exponential rocketing in case numbers, health services being overrun etc? There will have been 'flu related deaths" at that time but the numbers won't have been out of the ordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by SideBurns
A severe mutation of the virus somewhere along the way that led to something that was unpleasant but mild becoming something more likely to be deadly?
I wonder what effect lockdown may have on all the other viruses that happily transmit between us all - influenza, rhinoviruses etc? It must be hard for them to go between people right now. Might some of them die out? What might emerge in their place?
Are the questions a genuinely open floor or is it a carefully choreographed session involving selected questions from selected journalists, none of whom rock the boat?Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
Someone on here was questioning our state-controlled media output at breakfast time - trite, trivial drivel that is like war time propaganda to control the emotions of a moronic public.
Is the evening session an example of a democracy and a free press in action or something very different? I'd hate to think it was something different and I've always liked British satire, the freedom of our press to tear into our politicians (of all persuasions) when they step out of line and the relative accountability that brings. It just seems that this lot are getting away with an awful lot, they are getting an easy ride to the extent that you wonder if something is going on for the idea of a "greater good"? There is something strange about the Times/ Sunday Times being the entity that seems to be taking the government to task the most.
Even Sturgeon is bizarrely placid about issues such as the problems getting PPE to the Scottish care sector - something she would be absolutely up in arms about at any other time.