So the crashed car effectively lost Hamilton the race? He couldn’t really have lost the race if the crash hadn’t happened. Effectively, Verstappen fluked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JXM73
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So the crashed car effectively lost Hamilton the race? He couldn’t really have lost the race if the crash hadn’t happened. Effectively, Verstappen fluked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JXM73
Nonsense. Hamilton got away with one again today. I’ve no idea why you have such a dislike of Verstappen, but you would be one of the only ones walking away after what will go down as the greatest season in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
100% the crash cost Hamilton the race and the title. It’s one of those things that can happen, it’s really tough on Hamilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Rosberg is loving this.
Yeah, you either let none through or all through. If they'd had to let them all through then they wouldn't have had time to restart the race so Mercedes have been shafted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Happy for Max though and the Dutch fans, they bring so much to F1. Added to the first lap incident where Lewis should have let Max by and it's been a pretty controversial race.
Fantastic excitement though, bring on next year and (hopefully) better cars for over taking.
FIA have manufactured a Hollywood ending to the race and decided the championship there.
Such a shame for an epic championship battle to end in such a manufactured and controversial way.
I’d love to hear the explanation of why they decided originally not to allow lapped cars to overtake. They said on tv that it was the only way to allow the race to be restarted, but that wasn’t the case, they could’ve easily allowed all the lapped cars to pass as they didn’t have to wait until until they had rejoined at the back of the grid. The cars that did unlap themselves were half a lap behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
Rotten luck for Hamilton. Deserved that race victory and then in turn, the championship.
That’s why I think that race control have royally mucked this up. Massi has made decisions at the end which seem to be without precedent and handed the race and championship to Max.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Either let the cars through and you have no choice but to finish under the safety car because of time constraints or you let RB have the one lap Hail Mary behind cars that will get out of the way that they went for with the pit stop
… not sure that Charlie Whiting would have allowed the mess at the end to happen.
I’m a Hamilton fan who has no issues with Max winning the championship because he is a superb driver.
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Mercedes launch two protests.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PHortonF1...46661925912581
This is Article 48.12 - contentious issue is likely to circle around why only a few lapped cars (the ones between Hamilton & Verstappen) were given the signal to unlap themselves. #F1 #AbuDhabiGP
2 contentious points: - "any cars that have been lapped .. will be required to pass" - Not just a few of them - "the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap" - not the same lap
Lewis has won seven titles, Max has been appointed one.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
I think they could’ve let all the cars unlap themselves. It’s a really quick process and you don’t have to wait until they’ve rejoined the back of the grid. The time between the decision to not let the cars overtake and the decision to allow some to overtake was enough time for all the cars to unlap themselves. The stewards made a mess of it and then tried to fix their mistake. I think they got it right eventually but it was a mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
You’re not taking this well at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
What a shame, was always likely to happen but I really hoped that we wouldn't be talking over contentious issues after someone was crowned champion.
But the FIA have made a mess of it not for the first time this season either.
Yeah and that’s the rub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I’ve never ever seen lapped cars unlapping themselves and the safety car coming in seconds later.
There was always going to be controversy and I agree that Charlie would not have put himself in the middle of this like Masi has done.
The right man won there. You cannot finish that race behind a safety car, you go racing at the end. End of.
As far as I'm aware, the race director has the ultimate say on what happens within and around the rules so Mercedes can protest all they want, the result won't change.
I love both these guys, I think they're likely 2 of the most skilled athletes to ever have walked the Earth so I don't have an agenda, but I much prefer Verstappens style. Lewis is an absolute hero though. The right man won.
I think that the problem was that the restart should be the lap after which would have had the race finishing after the safety car.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
It is a genuine shame and the criticism sits squarely with Race Control. RB and Max are racers and took what was in front of them.
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More rigged than boxing.
Re writing the rules on the last lap of the season with a championship in the balance knowing full well the person losing is on fresh tyres.
Absolute joke of a sport.
Races ending behind the safety car are reasonably common.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Exile
I get Masi wanted a flying lap but the rules are pretty clear and he broke them to make that happen…that can’t be right surely.
And yeah neither driver deserved to lose the Championship as they were both in different class but neither does Lewis deserve to lose because the Race Director broke the rules in a manner never seen before!
At least now you’ve decided not to watch it again you will have more time to run Hamilton’s fan club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
I think there's also a rule which says the race director has the final say in how the rules are interpreted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Whether we think he's right or wrong (again*) the result will stand.
* There's been numerous occasions this season where we've all been left scratching our heads.
Its been like this all season, some benefitting Max some benefitting Lewis. As bad as officiating in football is at times the refs never make it up as they go along like has been happening in F1. Yeah I get it drama is part of the sport but this a manfactured and gets in the way of the actual sport. I'ts not good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge
Max is a worthy Champ and I can't see them changing it but I get why Merc are upset and kicking up a fuss.
Sorry to see Lewis losing the tltle in such clearly controversial circumstances after having such a commanding lead - F1 hasn't done itself any favours with this strange decision IMO. Good to see Lewis being a true sportsman and congratulating Max. Bring on next season then ....
I’ll be back watching BTCC - fantastic racingQuote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
This is the first race I've watched since the early 2000s and a procession ended under a safety car wouldn't have been a satisfying end. The race director didn't manufacture a crash that brought out the safety car but did allow for a racing finish. It didn't suit Hamilton because of their reluctance to pit but Max had to be there to take advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
Enjoyed the spectacle. Both drivers would be worthy champions with the season they've had.
I think masi was desperate to avoid being in a position of being accused of influencing the outcome, and shat himself when the Latifi crash happened, and panicked, and ended up manifesting the one thing he was petrified of, being at the centre of a storm around the culmination of the driver’s title
seen someone online saying he should have red flagged it, which would have then provided a 5-10 lap straight shootout, gets the lapped cars out of the way, and means there’s no dubiety about rules being applied etc
have to say, I think masi has been very poor this whole season, and isn’t a patch on Charlie whiting as a race director
I think the only thing they can do is take the race result from lap 57 as lap 58 didn’t follow racing regulations and as much as I think he’s dangerous, I’d truly feel for Max. Lewis too.
It’s hugely damaging to the sport, either way. I don’t know how they retain trust or credibility from that.
My beef isn’t with Max here as other than the incident at the start of the race he did nothing wrong, it’s with the sport in general. Nobody wins from this, irrelevant of how it pans out.
Objection around the overtake rightly rejected - in the context of the restart no overall advantage from what I saw.
This felt like Mercedes giving the FIA an easy way out with a 5 second time penalty and the restart not being examined.
This will end in the court of arbitration.
Picking up on a comment by Martin Brundell, I think that looking at the support available for michael massi needs to be a priority for next season. Race Control have created the mess but if he is being asked to manage safety whilst every team principal can call him out on air, that is not healthy
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I disagree, all he has to do is follow the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium