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I might be eating my words in an hour or so but I think people have started to criminally underrate Joshua.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Yes he has his flaws but he's still a top fighter and he has shown in the fights with the likes of Parker and the Ruiz rematch that he can box technically to a plan when he has to. He's in a fight tonight and I'd probably still take Fury to beat him but the disprespect shown to him is off the scale.
No disrespect to aj, look at the great fighters he has beaten. He's great athletic and at his best in a British stadium. I was more bigging up usyk. He's been one of my favourite fighters of recent years a 6 foot loma, he could retire unbeaten in years in cruiserweight. I think Joshua wins comfortably but who knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Defo won’t be comfortable with usyk as you say the guys tough as old boots be an interesting first few rounds imo I’d think AJ proves too strong by rounds 6-8 he looks good conditioning wise I think usyks ring work is a threat he’s maybe not faced before looking forward to itQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
No, I know you weren't disrespecting AJ. I was more expanding on your latter point about him being a wonderful fighter. A lot of people don't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
They will big him up when he's gone it's the British way. Andy Murray was a useless bottler, until he won about everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
He's fantastic, a pure athlete in every sense of the word, if he gets the win here then it's a major scalpQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Like you I think Fury would still beat him but it's something I change my mind on regularly
I think AJ can get gassed at times though, if you can make it hard work and stay in it(easier said than done) then you have a chance if it goes later
AJ should win this in the latter rounds but it’s not a given. Some atmosphere at Tottenham’s ground
I love Usyk, he's a mad bassa
This could be a really good fight. Usyk is a quality fighter and a southpaw, whether he has the strength at heavyweight is what makes this so intriguing.
I always approve of AJs Rocky 4 soundtrack choices
AJ looks very relaxed but I’m not sure he should be that chilled before a fight. Time will tell
Agree 100%. Hatton lost and looks very average regardless of who his Dad is it’s unlikely he’ll win a world championship even if Hearn is calling the shotsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Joshua not fancying this.
Third round to Usyk after two draws.
I've only given AJ a share of the 2nd so farQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
I think Joshua is boxing clever here, he knows a knockout is unlikely and he can come on strong later in the fight.
5th was AJs, this is still in the balance
I’ve got it level 2-2 and 1 drawn
Level after 6 for me
And me, but AJ looking the more likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
7 Usyk all day long
Usyk up by 3 but it's matchroom so AJ up by 7
AJ looks hot and cold in this fight but clearly has the power
Round 7 overwhelmingly goes to Usyk.
I’m not seeing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Looks far too relaxed walking down to the ring, waving and smiling at folk, didn't look focused. He has the power, just wish he'd throw more leather, very tentative and if he's not careful he'll lose here, rounds are slipping away.
8th was AJs. These body shots will eventually pay off in the next few rounds
4-4 I still think there have been a couple of rounds I would like to have been scored 10-10 but judges don't often do that
This is probably level going into the championship rounds. It’s anyone’s fight.
5-4 Usyk
I’ve got AJ up by 1 but a few rounds have been very close
I'd agree with that. Really close fight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
I've got Usyk 2 up
Usyk is definitely the busier fighter but he’s not going to take the title without a really big round.
Close fight but the Champion often gets a bit of leeway, Joshua always coming forward and Usyk has done nothing to clearly win the fight as a challenger
10th was pretty even, close close fight
Usyk is light on his feet but not landing with much power. AJ still 1 up
Usyk 2 up, too fast so far
Joshua's been disappointing, accuracy way off and looks very tired, Usyk deserves this, busier boxer.
Usyk a couple up going into the last round, there are still 2 or 3 that could have went either way on the cards though
Usyk comfortably wins this if he avoids getting KO’d
Very tight. All square going into the last. Can’t help that think Fury’s strength would be to much for both of them
Knock out or its usyks, well maybe not in the uk
Unreal work all night from usyk
Usyk needs a knockout. There’s no way he’s getting a decision in England, it’s been too close.
Usyk has won that or it's a total farce
Wow. Some last round Usyk might have this by 1 but after the Hatton fight who knows
usyk was 20 seconds away from knocking him out
I don’t think anyone can really call that a close fight
Fury would comfortably beat Joshua.
Usky has to win that for me.
Usyk pished it, Joshua's overrated as far as I'm concerned, he's another big heavyweight lump who can hit but technically an average boxer like Bruno.
Wasn't a close fight in the end. Usyks a genius
New champ
Usyk won that but will probably not the the decision
Well done judges, no shame in getting beat off a boxing genius, pound for pound no 2 now for me
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Originally Posted by lord bunberry
wanna bet :greengrin
Usyk was outstanding but a terrible AJ performance imo I’m not even sure he’s shown enough there to think he’d win the rematch
Outstanding fight by Usyk. Well deserved and glad all three judges went the right way.
Usyk is 8 stone heavier now with all those belts
Absolutely superb heavyweight title fight. Both boxed well in large spells but Usyk was a cut above.
All of the judges scorecards made some kind of sense as well which was welcome.
For all I wanted to see Fury v Joshua I can't help but feel Fury v Usyk has all time classic written all over it. Both of them are so technically gifted but so unorthodox and awkward. I'd happily watch these 2 do it again as well tbh.
His demeanor going to the ring was too relaxed and didn't look focused, Usyk is a top technical boxer and gave Joshua a boxing lesson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmas
Haha you’re right, a bit of faith has been restored to the noble art.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I thought it was a terrible game plan by AJ and his team. They more or less fought exactly how Usyk would have wanted him to fight. Playing right into your opponent’s strengths is never a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmas
Usyk having all these wins away from home is outrageous and shows how good he is
I wonder where AJ goes from here. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want to go again against Usyk. His first defeat was unfortunate, but tonight he was outclassed and out thought by a superior fighter. I agree with pretty boy, Fury v Usyk would be an unbelievable fight. Fury has the speed and skill and Usyk is relentless.
As the saying goes somebody’s 0 has got to go.
That was a clinic from Usyk,incredible stamina for a heavyweight with that flurry at the end
There are probably £20m odd reasons why he would take the rematch, then even with no title on offer fights against Fury, Whyte or Wilder would sell easy enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Surely now all the Joshua lovers actually realise he’s no a very good boxer.
Dancing on Ice next for him. Big donkey
Totally agree I think usyk was hugely under rated by everyone in AJ camp it’s like his style was a surprise,you would think after the Ruiz fight underestimating a fighter would be the last thing you would do, rematch won’t be as easy as Ruiz no way usyk goes on the party bus for a few months before the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by CmoantheHibs
Fury v Wilder OCT 9th
same result as last time i reckon
Is it just me (well me and Roy Jones Jr) who thinks Joshua boxed well? For me he was just beaten by a better boxer on the night.
Sometimes you just have to give an opponent credit. Joshua tried to take the centre of the ring, he tried to use his jab to hold distance, he tried to work the body to slow Usyk down and he tried to counter with his right when the opportunity was there. Usyk had an answer to all of that. Joshua boxed well, Usyk put on probably the best performance of his career and there have been a few good ones.
Not sure how either gets close to fury. Fury 3 inch taller than Joshua but with tremendous speed and skill
I thought Chisora did better than Joshua and was unlucky .....Joshua needs to go to war, he is nowhere near the technical level ....technical level in the heavyweight division doesnt ofter come into it when there is a war...thats Joshua's only hope in the rematch
Steve Cunningham was a blown up cruiserweight the same height as Usyk and he put Fury on his arseQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I think he boxed well but it was the total wrong plan. Apparently much of his training was geared towards out boxing Usyk. Why try to beat your opponent at his strengths and completely ignore the obvious advantages he had. It all seemed poorly managed and a bit arrogant to meQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
8 years ago then got knocked out, poor exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Right now I would take Fury to win but I would in no way shape or form be surprised if Usyk beat himQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Arrogance is Joshua to a t. He’s dodged big fights his whole career, overrated donkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by CmoantheHibs
1 punch changes everything in boxing. But Joshua had 3 inches tyson would have 6. Tyson has tremendous speed movement and stamina. But usyk obviously will be dangerous to anyone. Tyson still has to beat wilder which he should but 1 punch could change that , certainly with wilder. And Joshua you would will bulk a bit and try to make the rematch more physical. Exciting times aheadQuote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Struggled with a southpaw, only his second ever professional fight against an unorthodox fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
IMO needs to revert more to type. He is a strong combination puncher who fights well on the inside. He’s done well to add more mobility to his game, but tonight he seemed gunshy, and unwilling to close the distance.
I heard McCracken in his corner after round 9 tell him to get behind the jab. At this point he was at least 3 rounds down. For me, he needed to be told to bite down on the gumshield, get on Usyks chest and unleash leather.
I honestly think he got bad advice tonight.
*i’ll add* against a southpaw slick boxer like Usyk, if you’re going to try and box from the outside you need to bank on winning at least 7 rounds. By not commiting to any attacks more than the odd 1-2, a KO was unlikely. Strange tactics tonight
All night AJ threw single punches, I genuinely think it was a really poor performance from him.
Eddie Hearn needs to shut up with the nonsense, no one is buying the bull**** Eddie, Joshua was rubbish plain and simple. The ulogies about Uskys masterclass are also a bit off, whilst he is a good technical boxer this is the heavyweight division, he is too small and doesnt punch heavy, he will also get found out. But Eddie!!!! just be quiet just now
I heard hearn after the bout and he was very honestQuote:
Originally Posted by pedroorange1875
He had it about 8-4 Usyk and he was basically saying Joshua was well beaten
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Usyk is levels above Joshua. If you've watched him before you would see that. The doubt was over the size difference. Joshua couldn't cope with Usyk's movement and was utterly outclassed. I agree with Josh Taylor Usyk beats him 10 times out of ten. Usyk is far more than just a good technical boxer. It sounds to me like you've been had by the sky hype train.Quote:
Originally Posted by pedroorange1875
Totally. Was actually surprised with how honest Hearn was about the outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Not sure you have read his quotes since, not been had about anything, size and difference is everything in the heavyweight division, technical boxing is this division is long gone since Ali. The right tactics and power against Usyk and he will be shown up as a skillful cruiserweight, which is exactly what Fury will doQuote:
Originally Posted by Torto7
Usyk is 6"3 hardly tiny, Andy ruiz 6"1, dillian whyte 6"4, povetkin 6"1, hollyfield 6"2 , tyson 5"10.Quote:
Originally Posted by pedroorange1875
Its just tyson fury is a giant at 6"9. Usually someone that height is just a big bear but he dances and weaves somehow
Last nights showing even getting physical doesn’t look a good option, AJ was troubled quite a few times, his legs where uneasy after a few lefts from usyk and that was before the onslaught at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Before the fight last night I thought as the fight would go on AJ’s power would win through but in any rematch I think AJ will be the fighter who needs to get it over early to have any chance and I’m not sure his chin could guarantee that tactic would work.
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Originally Posted by NC1875
This.
He was questioned earlier in his career about the choice of opponents and his knockout record is meaningless due to the quality of some of them. For me he's another Bruno, a big likeable lump who changed his life around through boxing, he can certainly hit but skill levels are way below were you need to be to beat the real top guys, he can't rely on a big punch every fight to win.
I said after the 1st Ruiz fight Joshua should have considered a change of trainer. McCracken has obviously worked at the top level for a long time but sometimes a fresh pair of eyes and a knew plan can freshen a fighter up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip
I likened him to Lennox Lewis who sought out Emmanuel Steward at the low point of his career. Steward found a style that suited the skill set of Lewis. He turned the jab into a monster, he taught him how to manoeuvre opponents into range and he helped him develop his infighting when required, which he had never really been good at in his early career. Take the 1st Rahman fight out of the equation, when Lewis admits he didn't train, and he created a monster and arguably the most complete heavyweight of his era.
Had Lewis not made that change I think it's entirely possible you can add another couple of losses to his record and people would have been having the same conversations about him as they are about Joshua now. It's really up to AJ, does he want to be loyal, scrap around the fringes for a couple of years then get his arse handed to him by whoever emerges dominant from a Fury v Usyk saga or does he want to seek out improvement and try something knew?
He would have done well to do what Fury did and go to kronk. Science obviously has a huge role is modern sport, but AJ looks to have focused to much at the gb centre. It's one thing to train olympians to wrack up points, but you need a bit grit for heavyweight boxing. To late for kronk but a change is needed , he should have been grabbing usyk into the corner and uppercutting his head off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I think Joseph Parker has the perfect mix/style to really take Usyk into deep water as they say in boxing.
Joshua was built up by Hearn and co as the best, made a lot of money out of boxing without fighting anyone meaningful, in his later career he's started fighting people who can actually box, you aim for his head/eyeline he's been shaken on a few occasions now, he's good but not at that elite level of others.
Whyte, povetkin, Parker, klitschko, pulev. It's only wilder and fury he's not fought in the devision of note. If he managed to escape wilders bombs he'd box wilders head off, same goes for usyk wilder actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunasBoots
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...f-ken-buchanan
I assume this has been posted already but the above is a documentary on Ken Buchanan.
Just watched it an excellent watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
A young Povetkin would have knocked Joshua out same with Klitschko both where pretty much finished when Joshua fought them, Pulev old as well, the other two aren't at the same level both are in that average boxer rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Any word on when JT tickets are going in sale?
I've just asked the same question to my mate, he's seeing JT on Saturday morning so said he will askQuote:
Originally Posted by Frazerbob