Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I don't see how UEFA could get involved. The SPL would not be bending or breaking any rules as the rules to deal with this situation satisfactorily don't currently exist.

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Surely bringing the game into disrepute by breaking financial fair play guidelines (or rules if they have reached that stage) Ban all Scottish clubs from Europe and hit them where it hurts.

Interesting post from Paul McConville this morning - 'unpalatable' read indeed!

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.co...to-make-money/

Is the SPL a sporting body or a commercial business?

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Originally Posted by PatHead

I don't. I think it is pure unadulterated greed on behalf of the Directors.

Spoke to a director of a SPL club this morning re Steven Thompson's "dilemma" which seemingly is causing him a lot of heart searching. One of the fears is that with any potential loss of income the club could really struggle to survive as all contracts are worked out on budgets. The Bank Managers don't want to hear about morals when it comes to paying bills over the short term. Basically don't have sympathy with that argument as I was always taught to stand up for your beliefs. Hibs have done it for years and look at the grief they have had on this message board apart from in the wider world. Why should they continue to be penalised for behaving. Imagine if we were to suffer the ultimate penalty and get relegated this season for trying to budget. Where is the justice in that?

At this moment in time I feel like a guy who has found out his girlfriend has cheated on him again. Do you forgive or finally make the right decision and tell her to get tae? Do you still speak to friends who knew all along what was going on or do you shut them out your life as well because basically you don't need friends like that. You know eventually you will find something to replace the void so are you big enough to make the right decision.

Without being too dramatic tonight could be my last time inside Easter Road and that is a strange feeling.

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I do think that every single club wants Rangers to face a proper punishment, it's just that they have more to consider than just what is right for the game. Their first priority is what is right for their club. Relegating Rangers to the 3rd Division is certainly not the best option as far as we are concerned, it is, however, the only option as far as sporting integrity is concerned, and as far as the continued support and love of the Scottish game of the fans. It's a difficult decision but they have to stand tall.

Talking about threats , has the SFA done anything about McCoist's disgraceful demands for the names of the panel members who imposed sanctions on Rangers or even found out the source of the first twitter, post or whatever put out those individuals details.

My bet the info came direct from Rangers Football Club, a disgusting , corrupt and poisonous institution that has no place in Scottish society.

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Originally Posted by Supermac

Can't help but wonder what the late Ernie Walker, Jim Farry and Willie Allan would have made of this whole debacle and how they would have handled it.

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Er.....,

Things would never had gone on this long, thats for sure.

Rangers would be sailing along as normal with everything brushed under the carpet.


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"As a reminder; Celtic, Motherwell & St.Johnstone as the clubs represented on the SPL board, along with R Topping and N Doncaster."

Pie & Bovril Twitter post - says that these are the only people who will make the decision re newco Rangers getting into SPL

There are two things we as fans can do to show our feelings on this matter.

Firstly, let the clubs know that the effect on attendances if clubs vote the newco straight back into the SPL will be negative BUT, in the opposite scenario, we have to be able to commit to a financial benefit to the other clubs as well.

If the 'other 10' are worried about losing the visiting support of Rangers twice a season, then it will take commitment on behalf of the supporters to help make up for that loss, by turning up more often in the case of PATG or perhaps committing to a Season Ticket.

To me, I would be prepared to put more into Hibs in this way if I thought it was rewarding "Morals over Money".

The problem is the clubs can calculate how much demoting rangers will cost them, what they can't work out is how much saving them will cost!!

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Originally Posted by bighairyfaeleith

The problem is the clubs can calculate how much demoting rangers will cost them, what they can't work out is how much saving them will cost!!

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Spot on :agree:

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

"As a reminder; Celtic, Motherwell & St.Johnstone as the clubs represented on the SPL board, along with R Topping and N Doncaster."

Pie & Bovril Twitter post - says that these are the only people who will make the decision re newco Rangers getting into SPL

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I think we all know which way Topper and Doncaster will be casting their vote, so unfortunately it's a foregone conclusion.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

has the SFA done anything about McCoist's disgraceful demands for the names of the panel members who imposed sanctions on Rangers

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In any decently run organisation, McCoist would have been exphunged for this by now.

This is a chance to overturn Scottish football and bring it back for the fans and the quality of football on the pitch. Integrity must be at the forefront or Scottish football will be a laughing stock and I for one will not be happy.

Lets punish Rangers and start fresh - The Germans did a huge change 10 years ago and now have the most supported leagues in the world.

Wage caps for all clubs - makes parity for all concerned and encourages Homegrown talent as not able to afford foreign stars. National team will then improve

Reduced pricing at the gate - average price for Bundesliga game is 13 euros and that includes local transport.

I dont know what will work in our game but lets at least do something now - 16 teams in a league for a start and not playing each other 4 times a season which is a big killer of our game.

Lets think to Scotlands future even if its 5 or 10 years down the line we need a drastic change as look at all team and league attendences this season - Premier league games with 3000 people is poor.

I see this as a oppurtunity I hope for the games sake in our country which I love they do something positive.

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Originally Posted by steviehibsleith

This is a chance to overturn Scottish football and bring it back for the fans and the quality of football on the pitch. Integrity must be at the forefront or Scottish football will be a laughing stock and I for one will not be happy.

Lets punish Rangers and start fresh - The Germans did a huge change 10 years ago and now have the most supported leagues in the world.

Wage caps for all clubs - makes parity for all concerned and encourages Homegrown talent as not able to afford foreign stars. National team will then improve

Reduced pricing at the gate - average price for Bundesliga game is 13 euros and that includes local transport.

I dont know what will work in our game but lets at least do something now - 16 teams in a league for a start and not playing each other 4 times a season which is a big killer of our game.

Lets think to Scotlands future even if its 5 or 10 years down the line we need a drastic change as look at all team and league attendences this season - Premier league games with 3000 people is poor.

I see this as a oppurtunity I hope for the games sake in our country which I love they do something positive.

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Been saying the exact same for all of this

Sure it will be murder for a year or 2 - but it's murder now and it will only be worse knowing the corruption in the SPL. Time fro drastic change and an opportunity to change people's attitudes in the Scotland

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Originally Posted by steviehibsleith

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Reduced pricing at the gate - average price for Bundesliga game is 13 euros and that includes local transport.

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I agree with your general idea but it's important to state actual facts. The average price for a Bundesliga game is a lot more than 13 Euros. I would say it was somewhere in the 25-35 Euro bracket. There are often areas of the stadium where you can get in for 14 Euros, standing room only, but this is subsidised by often very high prices for seating and the TV money.

For instance, Wolfsburg, a mid level Bundesliga team, have this price range

A 50
B 45
C 35
D 30
F 22
G 15 (Standing)

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

I agree with your general idea but it's important to state actual facts. The average price for a Bundesliga game is a lot more than 13 Euros. I would say it was somewhere in the 25-35 Euro bracket. There are often areas of the stadium where you can get in for 14 Euros, standing room only, but this is subsidised by often very high prices for seating and the TV money.

For instance, Wolfsburg, a mid level Bundesliga team, have this price range

A 50
B 45
C 35
D 30
F 22
G 15 (Standing)

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:agree:

The German pricing structure is an excellent model that allows fans from all walks of life to attend. However, money is still a driver. The large corporates that invest heavily in the likes of Bayern Munich via seating, hospitality, sponsorship and commercial partnerships, plus those supporters willing to pay more for 'vantage points' in the stadium mean the cheaper tickets can be subsidised. Of course, you then have the TV income.

Don't get me wrong though, the Germans are so far ahead of us is getting it right in all aspects of the sport.

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Originally Posted by moff1875

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The German pricing structure is an excellent model that allows fans from all walks of life to attend. However, money is still a driver. The large corporates that invest heavily in the likes of Bayern Munich via seating, hospitality, sponsorship and commercial partnerships, plus those supporters willing to pay more for 'vantage points' in the stadium mean the cheaper tickets can be subsidised. Of course, you then have the TV income.

Don't get me wrong though, the Germans are so far ahead of us is getting it right in all aspects of the sport.

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I'm somebody that has defended the board in terms of pricing as they charge what they need to charge but i'm changing my mind on that, current prices aren't working so we need to look at doing things differently. By that i don't mean have a buy one get one free offer with the shirts.

I personally found the season ticket prices for next season insulting so i've not renewed and i think if it wasn't for getting to the cup final we'd have seen a record low, if we are to recover i don't think getting a good team on the park will be enough, we need to really look at doing something completely radical so if something could be agreed with the SPL then nows the time to do it.

I don't know if this is workable but one option could be a fixed price to get in agreed with all clubs and the lower prices could be subsidised by the TV companies, it's in there interests for stadiums to be full as well.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Talking about threats , has the SFA done anything about McCoist's disgraceful demands for the names of the panel members who imposed sanctions on Rangers or even found out the source of the first twitter, post or whatever put out those individuals details.

My bet the info came direct from Rangers Football Club, a disgusting , corrupt and poisonous institution that has no place in Scottish society.

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No, and nothing about their sectarian singing clearly audible at several games over the last few weeks. Our official sight has a link warning us of our obligations now:

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/Fe...631950,00.html

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The offence will cover sectarian and other offensive chanting and threatening behaviour related to football which is likely to cause public disorder.It covers:
Expressing or inciting religious, racial or other forms of hatred.

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The sooner they are closed down for the good of society the better. An organisation that panders to idiots stuck in time about 300 years ago.

The big issue today is that I suspect they think they are choosing between keeping things as they are, and losing Rangers income.

What they appear to not realise, or some of them anyway, is it is a choice between having no Rangers fans to make money off of, or having nobody but Rangers fans to make money off of.

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Originally Posted by steviehibsleith

This is a chance to overturn Scottish football and bring it back for the fans and the quality of football on the pitch. Integrity must be at the forefront or Scottish football will be a laughing stock and I for one will not be happy.

Lets punish Rangers and start fresh - The Germans did a huge change 10 years ago and now have the most supported leagues in the world.

Wage caps for all clubs - makes parity for all concerned and encourages Homegrown talent as not able to afford foreign stars. National team will then improve

Reduced pricing at the gate - average price for Bundesliga game is 13 euros and that includes local transport.

I dont know what will work in our game but lets at least do something now - 16 teams in a league for a start and not playing each other 4 times a season which is a big killer of our game.

Lets think to Scotlands future even if its 5 or 10 years down the line we need a drastic change as look at all team and league attendences this season - Premier league games with 3000 people is poor.

I see this as a oppurtunity I hope for the games sake in our country which I love they do something positive.

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Does that mean we could sign Ribery, Roben and Boateng?

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Originally Posted by bighairyfaeleith

The problem is the clubs can calculate how much demoting rangers will cost them, what they can't work out is how much saving them will cost!!

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:top marks:agree:

Trinity Hibs ... Top Marks ... Are you Earnie Walker's secret dossier ?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/318558


CELTIC fans’ chief Joe O’Rourke has vowed that the Hoops’ travelling support will stay away from the grounds of clubs who fail to vote for sanctions on Rangers when the SPL members meetto discuss possible penalties for newcos.


i imagine most people will see this as a good thing, all old firm fans boycotting ER :greengrin but, anything that's done by fans of every SPL club to make sure proper punishment is meted out to the tax-dodging cheats is a good thing :aok:

Let's make our views known by simply chanting the name of John Yorkston tonight.


Once we are 3 goals up and finished singing 'Cheer up Jimmy Jeffries' though !

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/318558


CELTIC fans’ chief Joe O’Rourke has vowed that the Hoops’ travelling support will stay away from the grounds of clubs who fail to vote for sanctions on Rangers when the SPL members meetto discuss possible penalties for newcos.


i imagine most people will see this as a good thing, all old firm fans boycotting ER :greengrin but, anything that's done by fans of every SPL club to make sure proper punishment is meted out to the tax-dodging cheats is a good thing :aok:

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This will be the 'holier than thou' celtic fans is it? The same ones found guilty by UEFA for rule breaches on sectarian singing on two occasions?
**** them too.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/318558


CELTIC fans’ chief Joe O’Rourke has vowed that the Hoops’ travelling support will stay away from the grounds of clubs who fail to vote for sanctions on Rangers when the SPL members meetto discuss possible penalties for newcos.


i imagine most people will see this as a good thing, all old firm fans boycotting ER :greengrin but, anything that's done by fans of every SPL club to make sure proper punishment is meted out to the tax-dodging cheats is a good thing :aok:

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Will they be staying away from Celtic Park once it becomes apparent that their own club are most likely the cheer leaders for keeping their bigoted brethren in the SPL I wonder...

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Originally Posted by ****pile

This will be the 'holier than thou' celtic fans is it? The same ones found guilty by UEFA for rule breaches on sectarian singing on two occasions?
**** them too.

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as an honest tax payer of this country...i would rather have my little sensitive ears hurt, rather than my pocket :)


oh and p.s. i believe the buns were also found guilty(and fined, and home ground closed for one game) because of sectarian singing....the point remains....anything that can ensure proper punishment against the cheats the better, jeezo i even hope the yamboids join in as well :agree:

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Originally Posted by Seveno;3212984[B

]Let's make our views known by simply chanting the name of John Yorkston tonight. [/B]


Once we are 3 goals up and finished singing 'Cheer up Jimmy Jeffries' though !

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Good point Seveno a bit of solidarity wouldn't go amiss if you ask me, about time people come out from behind the keyboards let it be known :singing:

Paul McConville's updated his blog..... if I read it right the SPL just need to delay amy decison for another week..... then the Huns only route back in is via the 3rd Division...... I think :rolleyes:

Rangers & the Incubator – Part 3 - What Have Newco, SPL and SFA To Do? http://t.co/eApHM0ev

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/s...04019952111616

SPL meeting adjourned till the 30th.

Just heard....

Chris McLaughlin(BBC)

SPL meeting on financial fair play adjourned again, reconvenes on 30th.