Hibs 18's and Development

Cracking result, however im reliably informed (Grandson,in photo above) that Hearts had a fair few younger players tonight.

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Originally Posted by Fanforlife

Cracking result, however im reliably informed (Grandson,in photo above) that Hearts had a fair few younger players tonight.

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Haha that's the standard reply when an under age team lose heavily. Hibs had younger players too.

Unsure if this result tells you everything about things at Hibs right now or if that’s restricted to defeats, but well done to the young team anyway, great result for them and brilliant to see us beat them at any level.

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Originally Posted by Brooster

Haha that's the standard reply when an under age team lose heavily. Hibs had younger players too.

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Yes and consistently all season

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Unsure if this result tells you everything about things at Hibs right now or if that’s restricted to defeats, but well done to the young team anyway, great result for them and brilliant to see us beat them at any level.

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Certainly shows some areas are working well. If I was LJ I would be bringing in some of these kids and starting them not just putting them on the bench

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Certainly shows some areas are working well. If I was LJ I would be bringing in some of these kids and starting them not just putting them on the bench

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I don't think it's as simple as that, they have done well against other kids but are they better than the player occupying the shirt in the first team? Johnson and Kean see these boys every day and if they were better they'd be getting their shot. The youth team lost to Dunfermline the other day and were held up as everything that's wrong with the club or taking us everything we need to know etc.

I agree with your sentiment, it would be good to see them get their chance but they have to be better than the player they're replacing.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I don't think it's as simple as that, they have done well against other kids but are they better than the player occupying the shirt in the first team? Johnson and Kean see these boys every day and if they were better they'd be getting their shot. The youth team lost to Dunfermline the other day and were held up as everything that's wrong with the club or taking us everything we need to know etc.

I agree with your sentiment, it would be good to see them get their chance but they have to be better than the player they're replacing.

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They might not be ready but that doesn’t stop us persisting with players who aren’t ready like Melkerson, Bojang, Henderson, Tavares, McGregor etc. I still think Hibs are guilty of favouring players signed over our youngsters and still struggle to see a pathway for our U19s given the size of the squad and the number of signings still required.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I don't think it's as simple as that, they have done well against other kids but are they better than the player occupying the shirt in the first team? Johnson and Kean see these boys every day and if they were better they'd be getting their shot. The youth team lost to Dunfermline the other day and were held up as everything that's wrong with the club or taking us everything we need to know etc.

I agree with your sentiment, it would be good to see them get their chance but they have to be better than the player they're replacing.

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Agree with all that however I think if you are as a coach concerned with mindset or attitude of players starting regularly then a good opportunity to shake it up a bit. Agree there will be s huge gap between playing against kids and first team players however I would like to see some getting a chance.

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

They might not be ready but that doesn’t stop us persisting with players who aren’t ready like Melkerson, Bojang, Henderson, Tavares, McGregor etc. I still think Hibs are guilty of favouring players signed over our youngsters and still struggle to see a pathway for our U19s given the size of the squad and the number of signings still required.

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Maybe they see those players as better options at this moment in time?

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Originally Posted by matty_f

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Maybe they see those players as better options at this moment in time?

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Would assume that physicality will likely come into it some of the younger players appear to be quite slightly built. That is from my viewing of brief highlights rather than seeing them live.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Agree with all that however I think if you are as a coach concerned with mindset or attitude of players starting regularly then a good opportunity to shake it up a bit. Agree there will be s huge gap between playing against kids and first team players however I would like to see some getting a chance.

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I agree, I think most of us want to see something different to what we're getting at the moment and it's good when youth players come through so there's a desire from probably the majority of fans(myself included) to see these boys get a chance.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

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Maybe they see those players as better options at this moment in time?

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Quite possibly, but like persisting with Drey Wright last season, at some point we will have to accept a small step backwards in the short term for benefit in the mid term if. None of the youngsters signed, at great expense, look like they will make it and are potentially now just blocking the pathway for the U19s. Who also may not make it but they at least have some pedigree and still to be tried.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I don't think it's as simple as that, they have done well against other kids but are they better than the player occupying the shirt in the first team? Johnson and Kean see these boys every day and if they were better they'd be getting their shot. The youth team lost to Dunfermline the other day and were held up as everything that's wrong with the club or taking us everything we need to know etc.

I agree with your sentiment, it would be good to see them get their chance but they have to be better than the player they're replacing.

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The 19s (minus Johnson,Blaney and Aiken who were on Scotland duty) lost to Dunfermline Development team who had a few first eam players playing in their side. We obviously won't know if the young guys are ready but let's see them getting a chance rather than persisting with players who are obviously not good enough or not trying a leg.

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Originally Posted by Brooster

Haha that's the standard reply when an under age team lose heavily. Hibs had younger players too.

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nope thats the information from a Hibs under 18,s player.

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Originally Posted by Fanforlife

nope thats the information from a Hibs under 18,s player.

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I realise that but the point I'm making is that both teams had 15-18 year olds in the team.

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Originally Posted by Brooster

The 19s (minus Johnson,Blaney and Aiken who were on Scotland duty) lost to Dunfermline Development team who had a few first eam players playing in their side. We obviously won't know if the young guys are ready but let's see them getting a chance rather than persisting with players who are obviously not good enough or not trying a leg.

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My point wasn't really about the youth team just that taking a good result in isolation as evidence that they should be in the first team is much the same as using a bad result as evidence of deep rooted problems.

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Originally Posted by Brooster

I realise that but the point I'm making is that both teams had 15-18 year olds in the team.

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Grandson,s actual words were Hearts had a much younger team out,nobody said Hibs didn't have young players at anytime.

Some of them must be close to getting a chance.

O’Connor and Laidlaw both play in a position where we’re now struggling due to various injuries, Aiken plays in a position where we could do with a bit of freshening up. Cabraja hasn’t fully nailed down LB yet, leaving a possible opening for Oscar McIntyre and you’d expect Johnson to be pushing to get into a few squads ahead of a loan goalkeeper.

That’s a pretty decent situation to be in. Playing for our first team isn’t exactly a cushy number right now and I think Johnson can largely feel justified in not having given these players much more of a look in thus far. I’d expect that to change during the 2nd half of the season.

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Originally Posted by Fanforlife

Grandson,s actual words were Hearts had a much younger team out,nobody said Hibs didn't have young players at anytime.

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I think that Hearts have some of their "older" youngsters with the first team in Spain at the mo, and younger players have been temporarily promoted in the meantime.

That said, they got scudded by 6 from someone else (Motherwell?) the week before shipping 5 to us - thats a learning curve !!

Main point for all these players is improvement rather than results - if we bring a few through to be first team regulars, that is the main thing

Steve Kean is doing an excellent job, would t surprise me if he gets the job once Johnson is punted - the added excitement for me would be much like Southgate he knows the young players inside out and don’t think he’d hesitate to include some in the first team.

Great result, love beating them at any age group, and 5-0 is tremendous for their confidence and belief in future derbies. Good stuff boys.

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Originally Posted by green day

I think that Hearts have some of their "older" youngsters with the first team in Spain at the mo, and younger players have been temporarily promoted in the meantime.

That said, they got scudded by 6 from someone else (Motherwell?) the week before shipping 5 to us - thats a learning curve !!

Main point for all these players is improvement rather than results - if we bring a few through to be first team regulars, that is the main thing

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Jay Magarva is a new name to me, any info on this young lad?

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Jay Magarva is a new name to me, any info on this young lad?

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From what I can find he “signed” on 1/7/22 and is 16 years old

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Originally Posted by Fanforlife

Grandson,s actual words were Hearts had a much younger team out,nobody said Hibs didn't have young players at anytime.

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Heart’s older under 18s and under 20s are getting regular games against men in the Lowland League, something we should have done

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Steve Kean is doing an excellent job, would t surprise me if he gets the job once Johnson is punted - the added excitement for me would be much like Southgate he knows the young players inside out and don’t think he’d hesitate to include some in the first team.

Great result, love beating them at any age group, and 5-0 is tremendous for their confidence and belief in future derbies. Good stuff boys.

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All being equal , he maybe worth a shout. But rather go for Mackay - tried, tested and paid some dues - maybe not enough for some

I've watched our 18s a few times.

On physicality alone, there's a big gulf between the size of e.g. Melkersen and say, Laidlaw or Aitken. Many of the signings we've made in the past 12 months were made to transition between our U18s and ghe first team.

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Originally Posted by RIP

I've watched our 18s a few times.

On physicality alone, there's a big gulf between the size of e.g. Melkersen and say, Laidlaw or Aitken. Many of the signings we've made in the past 12 months were made to transition between our U18s and ghe first team.

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Size is nonsense. Do you ever see Peter Cormack or Mickey Weir or Derek Riordan start their 1st team runs. Skinny lightweight but good players, that’s all it takes

Xavi Simons.

19 years old, 5 ft 10 and 58kg.

But he's just played in the World Cup.

Size isn't everything.

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Originally Posted by green day

Xavi Simons.

19 years old, 5 ft 10 and 58kg.

But he's just played in the World Cup.

Size isn't everything.

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Exactly, but try telling my missus.

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Originally Posted by green day

Xavi Simons.

19 years old, 5 ft 10 and 58kg.

But he's just played in the World Cup.

Size isn't everything.

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No but he has the quality.
If any of our u19s had his ability they would be in the first team also. He plays at that size and that young because he's a terrific footballer with bags of potential.