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Well those goalposts moved pretty fast. They could give me £3m and keep me comfortable in retirement. Government is all about managing priorities. You happen to disagree with this particular allocation of funding. I'm sure there are many other things that the SG spend money on that we could both complain about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Goalposts haven't changed. They simply need to make sure nurses bin men ect don't get a huge wage cut, they so far are failing at that. They will need to get money from many places, this is an obvious one. It's their job to prioritise and budget. If they are making the nurses take a pay cut their budget is wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I can't keep up, is it nurses pay or energy bills that this money should be used for? And what happened to the firefighters, don't they get anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Your being deliberately daft. It doesn't really matter its about priorities. The three you mentioned should be at the top, when they are funded then you move down the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...ounces-3893901
Another couple of ferries to be ordered. Will Ferguson marine bid?
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Shouldn't be spending money on ferries when nurses are underpaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
They will probably be completed before the ones currently on orderQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Your once again being deliberately obtuse. Do you agree that it's a disgrace the nurses are being asked to take a cut and scot gov need to find the funds. I don't expect you to as its scot gov, but imagine it was the toriesQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I agree that the Scot govt will of course have to find the money and cuts will have to be made elsewhere. That’s always the case for Scotland. England deliberately running down their NHS to force people private is going to mean that every year, Scotland is going to find it harder and harder to fund our NHS. Every other aspect of govt in Scotland will be put at risk while we try to mitigate this but eventually a point will be reached where something will have to give.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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I wish we could give all workers an inflation busting pay rise. The nurses are currently the highest paid in the UK I believe. They also received a one of covid payment during the pandemic where some others didn't get anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Working with a budget that's about to be cut, can I ask where you'd take the money from?
Let's start with that £3 million that you're depriving children from the education budget.
Where else?
How about the £20m set aside for a referendum by the Scottish GovernmentQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
That's paying for a manifesto commitment that people voted for. Surely you want political parties to honour their manifesto commitments?Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
The 3 million isn't depriving children it's to further gaelic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Comparing ourselves to how England treats nurses isn't a high bar
We must raise tax, start at the highest tax band
While our funding is decided by England, it’s all we can compare with. No point trying to compare with countries who can make decisions for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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We can raise taxQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I take it the £3 million is going somewhere, whether that be books, courses, people. If we take that £3 million away, we deprive those wishing to speak the language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I mentioned the UK. England isn't the UK, and our nurses are still the highest paid.
We can't raise tax in year, as has been indicted on here before. I agree though that the highest paid need to foot the bill. It's a pity we have to wait to do that though as we're not allowed to under the devolved settlement. We'll need to wait on hunt to get his act together before we can set a budget.
Not until April.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Excellent. We can start by taxing the energy companies a windfall tax.[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Not until April.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Does the higher pay for nurses in Scotland offset the higher taxes they would pay in Scotland? Or does it work out about the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Ive not seen that income tax can only be raised in April. It was still obvious in April that inflation was going to be plus 10% this year. We should have raised them, if it went down then we'd have a surplus. I don't get this defence that Scotland is tied to England financially, just raise tax. We've already made clear on here, that no one will move because a bit more tax for a fairer societyQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Because we only control income tax and that’s the wrong tax to be raising just now. The correct tax to be raising just now is a windfall tax on energy companies. We can’t do that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
And we can only vary income tax, we don’t have full control of it. It’s not devolved. And we can only vary it on earned income, not dividend income. It means any change we make falls heavily on those working and not those living of dividends.
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Earlier you agreed that the funding of gaelic education, £3m additional funding, comes from education budget, that isn't going to fund anything else. It's the way government budget worksQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Didn't the SNP MPs vote against a windfall tax on energy companies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...-back-26118506
It's in the devolved settlement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
We costed our budget for the current year in January/ February 2021 during covid, after having to wait on the Tories setting theirs.
I'm all for raising taxes for the rich, and those with the broadest shoulders, and would welcome a windfall tax on the energy companies, but we can't do the latter.
Only one way to get the taxes we want, when we want them.
Again, looking at where the £3m is going to, building classrooms, funding teachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It's almost like you haven't read about it and just want to argue the toss that you don't understand gaelic speakers.
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Originally Posted by James310
Right...Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
SNP MPs have been blasted after failing to vote for a windfall tax on the profits of oil firms to help ease the cost of living crisis.
The Nationalists did not back a move supporters believe would rake in vital resources, with one MP dismissing it as a “smash and grab” on the industry in the North Sea.
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You asked if the SNP MPs voted against a windfall tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
They didn't.
Just facts Jamsie boy.
Totally disagree. We should definitely increase top rate tax, infact below that could be raised too. Denmark top rate is 19% higher than ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Windfall tax should separately come in but there is no appetite for it unfortunately. We've just given out our renewable contracts for a pittance too. Lots of lovely profits to BP and Shell for our renewables. The neoliberal parties keep the capitalist profits rolling
Pedantic, they didn't vote for which I'm sure you'll agree is awfulQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Ok, why didn't they vote FOR it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Not sure tbh. I'm sure you can find a headline somewhere about it. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I never saw the labour motion, the article which James linked said that, "Part of the motion urged the UK Government to introduce a one-off tax on the “profits of North Sea oil and gas producers”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
What did the other parts say? They usually have add ons that are unpalatable, I'm sure you'll agree.
If you could list the full motion that went to the vote, we could maybe understand why.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Have you got it?
Knock yourself out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...ersWindfallTax
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Originally Posted by James310
The full word for word debate not enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
So I can ask again, why didn't the SNP vote for the windfall tax? Or you just don't want to answer?
I'll take read later mate. Too much to do just now, I'll let you knock yourself out instead. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I thought you would have known all this being an active member and everything, but fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Active members have other things to do. You should try it. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
This seems to be relevant:Quote:
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Given that the motion passed but yet there is no windfall tax, one could surmise that it made the square root of eff all difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
So it looks like the abstained on that particular version of a windfall tax, which is different to voting against thee windfall tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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I've just skimmed it but when your amendment doesn't get selected, I wouldn't expect them just to roll up and vote for something which they think would impact jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Steven Flynn Aberdeen south SNP.
In relation to the specific proposal for a windfall tax put forward by the Labour party, what was missing from the contribution of the shadow Secretary of State and the Minister himself was the workers. What impact would it have on the workers?
Bingo... it looks like Labour didn't do the work.
We need to see a just transition, which is why we have tabled our amendment today, but I must repeat that I have concerns about Labour’s proposal. Without their detailing what they believe the impact on investment would be and what the subsequent impact of that would be on workers, it is a proposal I simply find difficult to support in its current form.
If I remember correctly It was for a one off tax on North sea oil and gas producers. The SNP felt that it was Ill thought out in terms of impact upon jobs in the north east of Scotland. They wanted a windfall tax on excess profits made by all energy companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
BP made 7 billion profit this year between April and June. I'm sure they would have been able to pay wages without cutting jobs. A one of say 5 billion from them would help decrease bills in this crisisQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
With projected excess profits of £180BN over the next few years I am sure they would be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
So when you're Chancellor you're going to choose a company that you think has made excess profits and tax them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
And you're going to levy taxes based on projected earnings?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Ok.
No you don't do it on projected earnings they made 7 billion in 3 months you do it on that. If I was Chancellor I would nationalise. But baring that yes of course you tax companies that make a huge profit, especially if its from something that should be oursQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Your sounding very tory here
We saw how interested in Scotland's energy the SNP MPs are last night.
https://twitter.com/AlbaParty/status...E9caBdOOQ&s=19
Seen that, what was that aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by James310
You a member of Alba now?Quote:
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When someones whole raison d'être is hating the SNP then it stands to reason they'll gravitate towards the most rabidly anti SNP party :hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
To be honest the Alba party is filled with parasites and fruit cakes 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Lol, why is every single thing always an attack on the paper, journalist or Twitter account rather than the actual content. It's hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
And they all used to be in the SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Probably, but the SNP is glad to be rid of them. Alba has been good for ridding SNP of the extremists in the party.You'll know how that is, numerous Orange Order extremists are members of the Labour Party and the Conservative Party.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
What's extremist about an ex SNP Minister talking about Energy in Scotland in Westminster? Don't you think the SNP MPs might have been interested or contributed? They obviously couldn't care less.Quote:
Originally Posted by allmodcons
Why do you think they walked out considering what the subject was?
It was an adjournment debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjournment_debate
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Normally, only the member raising the debate and the minister who is replying speak in the half-hour adjournment.[1] It is not uncommon for the chamber otherwise to be empty.
Great isn't it, the SNP got rid of their fruitcakes and the Tories absorbed the Brexit Party nut jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Just thought the Scottish MPs might have wanted to hear a debate about Energy in Scotland, fair enough if they couldn't be bothered.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Plenty of fruitcakes still in the SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
You called?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Did the Tories and single Labour MP in Scotland attend? Maybe they listened to the debate elsewhere. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Given the amount of 'why won't Labour work with the SNP' takes on here you would assume the SNP would work with a fellow independence party?
Maybe, isn't Kenny MacAskill your MP? So you would have voted for him, did he become an extremist/fruitcake overnight when he joined Alba or was he maybe always like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I see that the Scottish Government has put more money on the table for NHS pay, as well as financing gaelic education and more western Isles ferries.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
They really should be talking about Independence instead of doing the day job. 🙄
He is, and I did vote for him as he was in the SNP at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I've no idea what you're on about. Extremist and fruitcake?
The police have also asked for the NHS budget to be cut, and the money given to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I thought solidarity with all workers was the theme here.
That was the description of Alba from other posters on here, not mine. They said it got rid of the extremists and fruitcakes from the SNP, so I was wondering did he only turn into an extremist/fruitcake the day he joined Alba?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Maybe you'd be better asking the posters in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
In my opinion, Kenny MacAskill is the odd man out in Alba. He’s a good lad, and competent, possibly the only one the SNP lost to Alba who might be considered to be any kind of loss to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
They will indeed bid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...erries-3895362
Kinda hope they get it and manage to turn this whole situation around. Govt need to be smart about protecting Scottish govt funds as well though.
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What are you on?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
It was you that made reference to former SNP members being parasites and fruitcakes. I was merely pointing out that these types are connected with most, if not all, mainstream political parties.
I couldn't give a toss as to why the SNP members in the chamber didn't want to listen to Kenny MacAskill. IMO he's sitting in Parliament on a fraudulent basis anyway. Elected on an SNP manifesto and speaking for Alba.
Just my opinion, but anyone switching parties during their term in office should be subject to a by election.
Footnote, as far as I can see nobody is suggesting that Kenny MacAskill is a parasite or fruitcake. The suggestion was that the Alba Party has some members that are parasites or fruitcakes.
Didn't you say "Alba has been good for ridding SNP of the extremists in the party"Quote:
Originally Posted by allmodcons
So you introduced extremists not me.
Another poster said "Great isn't it, the SNP got rid of their fruitcakes"
So both terms not introduced by me.
:agree: to your footnote…I suggested the Alba Party were full of parasites and fruitcakes ….. not all but a majority imhoQuote:
Originally Posted by allmodcons
Berwickhibby introduced the term 'parasites and fruitcakes' then you said (quite clearly) that these 'parasites and fruitcakes' all used to be in the SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Might be an idea to read back through the thread before trying to rewrite history.
Already knew only 10% of our outflows were monitored, but poor that the levels are getting so much higher
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sco...l-28338257.amp
SNP shamed as enough sewage to fill 56,000 Olympic swimming pools pours into Scotland's lochs and rivers
With raw sewage pouring into Loch Leven and more than 10,000 untreated discharges in 2021, the SNP/Green coalition has been urged to do something about this filthy problem
The SNP/Green Government has been accused of "utter complacency" after figures emerged to show the annual total volume of sewage spills has doubled since 2017.
The SNP has been critical of the UK Government over its failure to stop water companies from discharging sewage in England. Last year, Westminster leader Ian Blackford tweeted that "England's rivers are flowing with... sewage" as he blamed Brexit for the pollution.
However, the Scottish Government has admitted that only 10 per cent of sewage overflows are monitored in Scotland compared to 80 per cent in England
Scottish Conservative shadow Net Zero secretary Liam Kerr also spoke in the debate and revealed "shocking" figures which show that 140.5 million cubic metres of sewage had been discharged over the past five years – enough to fill 56,186 Olympic-sized swimming pools.
In 2017, 15.4 million cubic metres of sewage was discharged; by 2021, this figure has increased to 34.3 million cubic metres, a 122 per cent increase.
https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/st...xcH4CYb8rL5c0Q
Poll results show that people are very happy with the job the SG does.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Poll shows a majority of Scottish people do not trust the Scottish government .
Same poll shows a majority do.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Very first quote on the poll by Ross Colquhoun ( SNP strategist ) is that only 48% of Scottish people more likely to trust Scottish Gov.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
By my calculations that means a majority more likely to distrust them.
The latest Scottish Social Attitudes report (2021-2022) has been published. Here are some of the key findings.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Two thirds (66%) of people in Scotland trust @ScotGov to work in Scotland’s best interests, compared with 22% who trust UK Government
That's the very first post on the twitter thread.
Does it? What about people who trust both?Quote:
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You seem to be confused. 66% trust them to act in Scotland s best interests was what he said.Quote:
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Getting a wee bit personal here, something you were against on another thread. Maybe stick to facts and debate and less off the personal slagging off, doesn't look good.
Aw you still a wee bit annoyed you got called out for resorting to personal abuse so thought you would trawl through my posts? That doesn't look good.Quote:
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Not one bit, just found it a bit strange you didn't like me saying you had a wee brain but are quite happy to call a certain Alba MP an extremist fruitcake, I'll let you get back to your bone and fantasizing over a bus with a big lie splattered down the side of it.
Where did I call Kenny MacAskill an extremist fruitcake? Even if I did it's hardly crime of the century, imagine calling a MP a bad name. Have you been so vocal about all the other MPs being called much worse?Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Someone mentioned Alba was full of extremists and I was asking, as he was the one in the video, if he had only turned into an extremist the day he joined Alba or if he had maybe always been like that.
And for your comments about getting my bone (whatever that means) and lies on a side of a bus I voted Remain. I don't think it's a great idea to put up trade barriers with your biggest trading partners, something though you support with Independence. Maybe for different reasons, but the end result will still be barriers with our biggest trading partners.
What does getting back to my bone mean anyway? Genuinely no idea.
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=get+back+to+your+bone
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You're like a dog with a bone and refuse to give it up, a lot like your posts on this and the other SNP thread where your dislike for the SNP and their Government is very much apparent. As for voting remain, you don't sound like it re your posting history on these SNP threads. Getting a bit bored now, so no more replies from me. :bye:
Bye.Quote:
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I'd agree he was probably their only significant loss. Got the impression he simply prefers working under Salmond to Sturgeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
For all that Salmond is yesterday's man he did a lot more during his time as leader to forward the independence/SNP cause than Sturgeon. He drove support to levels she has failed to improve on after a similar amount of time in office and despite being up against a series of the most woeful Westminster governments (and arguably the most uninspiring Labour opposition leaders) of all time. Salmond had Blair, Brown and Cameron to contend with, all of whom were very capable political leaders yet he took the SNP to previously unimaginable heights during that era.
I still think he's a pompous sleazebag but there's no denying he was the one who made the SNP a genuine political force.
that's a rather selective interpretation of Colquhoun's tweet, here it is in full:Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
"People in Scotland were more likely to trust the Scottish Government (48%) and their local council (31%) to make fair decisions than the UK Government (15%)."
And here's what the tweet refers to
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Salmond never got support for Indy as high as NS has had it.Quote:
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I'd go as far as to say it's a completely incorrect interpretation of the tweet!Quote:
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Yeah, I'd have to agree with that.
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Originally Posted by Ryan91
High praise from Jackie Baillie for humza
https://mobile.twitter.com/markthehi...52829483028481
He was certainly awful during covid. Remember at one point he said 10 children had be hospitalised in Scotland that week, but was making it up. Still in the job mind
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...s-57356534.amp
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