Just like the mens team - need to invest in CBs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee
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Just like the mens team - need to invest in CBs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee
She hasn't said anything but I wouldn't be surprised if this was Joelle's last season, just getting a bit of a vibe thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
It not her fault that Hibs have ignored that area for years tbh. Hearts brought on a 17 year old in that area last night. Just couldn't imagine Hibs ever doing that. Hopefully the 14/16 each group will start providing some talent in a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
She's been amazing for the club, we've seen her take a bit of a step back this season and I think she's probably played more than she expected as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
It was an error not bringing Emma Brownlie back when she was available. Only 30 now.
Also mirroring the men's team is how far ahead of us Hearts have gone in a short space of time. We were above them not so very long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
I see them in training some evenings when I'm at Meadowbank. One or two promising younger ones coming through. Quite impressed by one of the keepers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
There is a youth international keeper. Nothing much else. As I say hopefully see more now the academy appear a bit more invested. They can’t keep relying on cheap foreign players.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
There’s 2 goalies that’ve been in the Scotland squads this season and that’s the 16/18s. 14s keeper is decent too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
It didn't help that one of our best few players, Katie Lockwood, moved to Hearts in the summer and is predictably one of the top scorers in the league along with our own Jorian Baucom. It maybe that we couldn't afford both. They are the only non OF players at clubs in the top half of the league * who have scored 15 or more league goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
* 20 years old Bayley Hutchison of Aberdeen is putting the duffers in the bottom half of the league to the sword post split and has now scored 25 league goals this season after knocking in 3 against Dundee Utd
credible 2-2 draw after being two down at Glasgow City with the equaliser on 90+ 2 BBC ALBA on X: "Tadhal eile dha Hibernian bho Poppy Lawson 'is tha sinn co-ionnan aig làn-ùine!⚽️ A late goal from Lawson leaves things equal at full time! https://t.co/rFg38vAaCZ" / X (twitter.com)
have to say a very poor home crowd
FT's
Hearts 3 Partick Thistle 2
Spartans 0 Dundee United 0
Montrose 1 Motherwell 1
Hamilton Accies 3 Aberdeen 3
That’s a superb comeback, well done to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by marinello59
and most likely put an end to any lingering hopes Glasgow had of winning the league
although playing sides in the bottom half Aberdeen have certainly picked up a lot of points, still with a -33 Goal Difference so obviously picked up a few hammerings over the season playing sides in the top half
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Called it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
The most decorated player in the history of the club :not worth:not worth
It’s a sell out tonight at Meadowbank, let’s get the 3 points!
Glad it’s sold out. Fingers crossed for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by oconnors_strip
The sooner Hibs get away from Meadowbank the better.
Awful dugouts - terrible camera for TV and soulless.
Really doesn’t do the women’s game any favours.
I say this as someone who’s daughter plays at a decent level, and am a big supporter of girls grassroots football, but this is a terrible watch so far. Some of the finishing is embarrassing from both sides.
Hibs been the better team but lack of any quality in front of goal - missing composure.
what an awful freekick that was, straight to the keeper
Jorian scores again! 1-0
square that and Baucom would slot it home
boom 2-0
What a goal by Tweedie to make it 2
Hibs been the better team and deserved winners.
Pleasing considering Hearts recent arrogance.
Full time
well done the wimmin
That was an absolute beautyQuote:
Originally Posted by oconnors_strip
Even the jambo husband was aplaudingQuote:
Originally Posted by hibernator
Good performance and on another day could have been 4 or 5 if the final ball was better.
Another 2 superb goals following on from Sunday. :top marks
Excellent result
Well done girls - spring in the step for me tonight 🤭😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloop67
Really poor game tonight. hearts struggled to sting a few passes together. Tweedies goal was worth the admission tho.
Good result tonight and thought we deserved it. Nice to see a decent crowd and some finish for the second!
Great result:flag:
sounds like a report from any Edinburgh Derby. Male or female.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Much wisdom (and experience!) in this post!Quote:
Originally Posted by Not In The Know
Hibs win the derby and the night sky turns green and purple
Kirsty Morrison, sponsored by hibs.net, named in the team of the week.
Well done to her. :thumbsup:
Joelle Murray was presented with a gift by Fiona Mcintyre, managing director of the SWPL
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FT Hibernian 2 Rangers 3, unfortunately left it too late with two goals in the last 15 mins after being down 0-3
FT Hearts 1 Celtic 3
Aberdeen 1 Dundee U 1
Motherwell 1 Hamilton 1
Partick 0 Glasgow City 0
Amy Gallacher getting the league winning goal on 90 mins at parkhead FT Celtic 1 Hibernian 0, league winners on GD
Rangers 4 Partick 0
Glasgow City 2 Hearts 0
Dundee united 0 Motherwell 1
Hamilton 0 Montrose 3
Spartans 2 Aberdeen 1
Hibs should have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Double title celebration for Celtic in the same weekend. Hope they're better behaved tonight.
The ladies were brilliant today, put in a tough shift on a very hot day. On another day we could have been a couple up.
Great to see Joelle getting such a great reception when being subbed off. Another legend has played their final game.
Leah Eddie's away, that's a massive loss. Bit shocked about it actually, I was hoping she'd be the linchpin at the back moving forwards. Hopefully it's a move south and not to Glasgow.
Baucom also away but I was expecting that, would have been nice though.
See the link for a full update.
https://x.com/HibernianWomen/status/...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Yes, that's a blow losing both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
Especially with Leah, I think she will probably be announced in the very near future as having gone west.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I imagine Jorian will move abroad. I'm assuming visas must come into it but the American players never stay for more than a season.
Huge loss, sorry to see both of them go.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
Who’s running things on the ladies side as it’s not being managed at all well? Letting Katie Lockwood walk and sign for their rivals now letting Leah walk on a free, she should have been tied down to a contract with some form of selling on fee to allow her to progress her career. No doubt Leah will be signing with Rangers.
Naomi is also a big loss in midfield, effectively losing the spine of the team, massive summer ahead for a team who’ve been going backwards in recent years.
Powell must be a via thing as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by lugz
Losing Lockwood was dumb, although negated this season by Baucom it doesn't matter if we could have had the former on a longer deal than the one season you'll get from the latter.
I always saw this most recent season as a bit of a reset, the team played better and although the league position didn't improve from the previous one the right signs were there. Obviously losing key players doesn't help moving forwards.
Not really much they can do. The girls are on pretty much national wage contracts. As soon as a contract finishes they will try and get a bit more somewhere else. Hearts have lost a fair amount too (including Lockwood and Grant - arguably their best players) The biggest issue is the lack of youth coming through. Hibs cannot afford to keep hiring in foreign talent with all the extra expense that entails.Quote:
Originally Posted by lugz
For the better players if they want to move on with their career and also confirm Scotland places they need to be at a bigger team than Hibs.
Scotish players Hibs should be aiming to sign.
Erin Clachers Glasgow City
Jess Broadrick Aberdeen
Morgan Cross Motherwell
Bayley Hutchison Aberdeen
Emma Lawton Partick Thistle
Maria McAneny Celtic
Mia McAulay Rangers
Kathleen McGovern Free
Jodi McLeary Rangers
Eilidh Shore Aberdeen
Jenny Smith Celtic
Laura Berry Rangers.
Very hard to get any of the old firm players but the others should all be attainable.
Rangers have just announced Leah Eddie
NHC but women’s football related.
Full time just blown in a Matildas v China friendly which ended 1-1.
On a cold winter’s night in Adelaide the crowd was just under 53,000.
53000!
Scotland 1 Israel 0, Emslie
2-0
3-0, Emslie
Hibs Women have confirmed the signing of Australian defender Stacey Papadopoulos on a two-year deal
Scotland will be far too strong for that Israeli line-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I hear some eejit chained themselves to the goalposts before the game. About as daft as those protesting at b****y Eurovision!
That's brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forza Fred
Watched the content Hibs women put out on their new signing from the women's A league and from the highlights it looked well supported.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forza Fred
What's wrong with a democratic protest against a country who kill indiscriminately?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
They play each other again in a friendly in Sydney on Monday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Expectations are that crowd will exceed 70,000.
A League women’s league still playing to small crowds but the Matildas have been embraced by the entire population, regardless of age, sex etc etc.
Seems just about every little girl’s dream here now is to grow up and play for the Matildas.
Fantastic that they have their own role models, and fantastic how the Matildas engage with their fans.
If you want an example of a masterclass when it comes to football marketing…..then the Matildas it is.
Given the quality of the international side I’d imagine the A league is a pretty good standard. Would seem that getting a starter from a team that’s done well in it is a really good pick upQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Absolutely nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Was a surprising move tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
I think there is more money playing in the A League than in Scotland, but there are very few local Oz players who play in the national team, so I’m not sure the national team is a good barometer of the local league.
You are much more likely to see Aussie players playing for Arsenal, Man City, Tottenham, Paris St Germain, Lyon, Real Madrid etc playing for the Matildas than those who play at home……so in that context I’m not sure the relative ‘standards’ of each local league really indicates that much.
I would be untruthful if I said I had seen much of our latest acquisition……yes on occasion, but not enough to say she was a household name.
It’s off season in Oz just now and it’s not unheard of for players to play partly in both the A League (it’s very short) and in the English league in the same season.
I’ve seen the videos of her now, and yes, she strikes me as a very decent player who will do well at Hibs.
I’ll be watching with interest.
76,700 at tonight's Matildas game, awesome attendance again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forza Fred
That's extraordinary. Brilliant to see those sort of numbers watching women's football.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozwoody
Scotland women have just won 5-0 in another closed-doors clash with Israel, this time in Budapest.
I always wonder if part of the success of women's football in the US and Australia is because there isn't the same football culture in these countries. There still seems a deep seated bitterness among some here that women have dared to invade a 'mans game' and attempts to market the game or push it to a wider audience are 'shoving it down our throats'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forza Fred
The sneering contempt and barely repressed anger just doesn't seem as prevalent in other sports. Women's athletics, tennis, swimming etc is treated as of equal importance to the men's game. Even a traditionally male sport like boxing has seen women draw huge crowds and earn praise for their skills yet football still seems to engender a weird 'I don't care' bitterness at best or outright mocking at worst.
Hopefully we can move past it because women's football isn't going anywhere and thankfully so. Participation at grassroots level is through the roof and why shouldn't young girls aspire to play in front of similar crowds to their male counterparts?
Think you're probably right about the likes of the US and Australia, where men's football isn't entrenched as the No 1 sport, but in saying that the crowds for women's international football in England are exceptional, fuelled of course by the team's success. The London clubs in particular also draw huge crowds, way bigger than any Scottish men's teams bar Rangers and Celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It's a shame the women's game remains so bereft of decent crowds up here. When Scotland played at ER rather than rattling around Hampden there was a decent atmosphere and the standard of play was, in my view, better than many believed. Hibs, too, when we were vying with Glasgow City as the top two in Scotland, were often good to watch.
I think you are right in part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I still have old fart Scottish born friends here with 1950 attitudes who scoff at the idea of girls playing football…of whatever code.
There are also women’s AFL and Rugby League competitions that are gaining audiences…but the Matildas are Australia’s most loved side…..and attracted the highest tv ratings EVER in Oz during the last World Cup.
Different atmosphere at their games…..more of excited people going to a pop concert than that of tribal warriors going to battle….many who are quite open about the fact that they may not know all the rules of the game.
Participation rates among females have soared.
Mind you, when it comes to connection with their supporters…the girls are superb.
Monty got pelters for it at Ross Cty, but win, lose or draw the players will make time for selfies, autographs etc whenever they can…and even in the A League the after match engagement with supporters is normal.
It’s even got to the point where supporters of all ages ..mainly young kids….gather outside the Matildas players’ hotel hoping to get photos taken on non match days when any of them go for a walk!
Different level stuff.
Shannon McGregor now announced as leaving, very concerning times for the ladies team. Going to need a massive overhaul to even be slightly competitive.
Away to Celtic…Quote:
Originally Posted by lugz
Just saw this, unfortunately these girls are getting offered more money, the opportunity to win trophies, probably better chance of playing for Scotland. Womens game turning into the mens, Shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by number9dream
Just said much the same elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by lugz
There was an inevitability about it as soon as that pair started taking it seriously but it's sad all the same.
Clubs like Hibs, Glasgow City, Forfar Farmington and so on done the hard yards for years growing and developing the game and much like the men's game everyone bar the big 2 are relegated to also ran (Glasgow City might hang onto the coat tails for a wee bit longer yet I suppose).
Gutted. Good luck to her but we have lost one of our better players, she won’t be easy to replace.Quote:
Originally Posted by number9dream
Yep, the women’s game is done in Scotland. The crowds are already very small, and the recent old firm spending sprees will mean the interest level plummeting further. Hibs will attempt to cling to their coattails by bringing in foreign journeywomen. Very sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by lugz
I'm actually a bit surprised about this move. I've always been a fan of Shannon's ever since we signed her, and at the time I thought she might go far, but she was usually reliable without being the superstar in the team, had some injury issues, and I thought Hibs was now the ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Originally Posted by hibby rae
Looking like 5th again for Hibs women next season. Worst of the full time clubs.
We have recruited Stacey Papadopoulis and hopefully Rachael Boyle finally makes a more than fleeting return although i have my doubts after so many seasons lost to pregnancy and serious injury.
Who is the best player left at Hibs after losing Jorian Baucom, Leah Eddie and Naomi Powell?
Hopefully some of the younger players coming through will turn out to be able replacements for those that have left. Big boots to fill!!
Will be a few years till anything comes through. Nothing at 18s level.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
I see she's saying she's a "massive Celtic fan" so even that aspect of the game is similar to the men's when a player joins one of the Old Firm.Quote:
Originally Posted by lugz
Why is there nothing at that level? They seem to have healthy numbers training across the age groups at Meadowbank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
She genuinely is though.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Coz we ignored youth for years. Massively playing catch up on Hearts (who have 2 youth player 17/18 both playing for first team (Husband sisters) and more coming behind Brodie Greenwood. We have zero around the Scotland youth squads and its going to take a while to catch up. The best young players are not at Hibs right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Probably Mcalonie - wouldn’t be surprised if someone is in for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHeffernan
The 18s are struggling - the link with the community side and not being an academy hasn’t been helpful. Lost players due to that and in reality Joelle Murray wasn’t exactly hands on.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
It’s been positively changing over the last 12-18 months but like Brightside says it’s a catch up.
Michaela has great playing attributes, like her passing range, composure, stamina and tenacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
My one negative takeaway from the few times I have seen Michaela play was that she doesn't run like an athlete.
It's an interesting debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I'm all for women playing football, at any level. However, I don't understand why Hibs have a full time women's team. Why is it necessary? I can see that the big English teams see some commercial benefit and that there is a market to exploit, but that surely isn't the case up here.
I'm all for funding participation, think's it's a healthy area for community investment, but fail to see the need for professional players and a management team etc. Maybe this is part of the scepticism about women's football?
In terms of bitterness or patronising attitudes, who knows. Maybe folk know that the standard is very low and that even an elite women's side will be beaten by under 16 juvenile laddies side. With tennis or swimming for example, I guess that elite women still compete at a level way above decent male club level. Not so sure how boxing levels would translate across gender though.
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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
I thought we only had a few of the team as full time, with most of them being part time, which is why we tend to lose our best players quickly as other teams do offer full time, and higher wages
The vast majority are on full time contracts. But pay wise you’d get more working in macdonalds. Even at rangers etc the money isn’t great. So any girl wanting to make a living from it really needs to be getting down south if they are good enough. The other post making comparisons to boys football just isn’t worth going in to again. It’s women’s football not men’s / boys whatever. Zero point making a comparison. It’s does have to start living within its own means though. The team needs to bring in the sponsorship to afford to pay them more. Without that it’s just not going to improve. There are no more people watching the games at Meadowbank, that used to watch when they played out in Broxburn. Move the games to Easter rd whenever possible. Create a package for current STs. Free kids entry up to 18.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
Needs a lot of change if it’s not going to drift back to amateur level imo.
Did you not tell me that crowds would rise in the woman's game, and the mens game would also see growth in it's attendance with the improvement of the woman's game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
And when you say it needs a lot of change, you really mean money dont you?
I'm happy to stand corrected on that, I thought we had full time players and coaching staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
Our women teams pay must surely be minimum wage, so why would they get paid less than people working in MacDonalds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Pretty Boy asked the question around why some men scoff at women's football. I made the point that the standards of the other sports he mentioned have huge gulfs between elite female competitors and club level male competitors, hence why I said that doesn't apply to the women's game (making the well known comparison about how it compares in terms of quality to youth age male football) and why this might be a factor around men might find the idea of so much commercial investment in the women's game quite risible?
I wouldn't want to see our pitch being used more than necessary, why should the women's team play on it and not every other age group team etc.
When is the next woman’s team fixture and where do they play? My daughter hasn’t shown any interest in football, which is fine, but seemed open to trying the ladies team so hoped to take her to a game this summer.
Had a quick Look online but suspect, like the men’s team, there’s no pre season fixtures announced yet.
Perhaps amateur level is where it should be until it becomes a sustainable no brainer. A bit of honest reality is needed regarding the ladies game rather than wishful thinking and to appease a very small percentage of the clubs support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Do elite women in the sports you mention really compete way above men at a lower level? Women still play best of three sets at tennis rather than five, even at the top level for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
'They're not as good as men' seems seems a lazy argument with which to put down women's football. Women's sport is a separate entity to men's.
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Originally Posted by Brightside
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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
Seems it was me that was off mate :aok: appreciate the info Brightside 😊
'I wouldn't want to see our pitch being used more than necessary, why should the women's team play on it and not every other age group team etc.' QUOTE
Afraid I do think this is lazy - it's the women's team, nothing to do with age group teams etc.
If the SFA hadn't been so determined to ban women's football many years ago it might already be operating at a higher level
in Scotland - that was a decision by stupid men who thought women should be wives and mothers and little else.
We're going to struggle to match the English Women's game, but then our men's game doesn't match the English version either
and that's not been a reason for giving up.
Half the population is female, the idea that the women's game shouldn't be supported is mental.
I see far more women at matches than was the case in the 1970, 1980, 1990, having a viable women's team
isn't just an obvious thing to support, it has an a positive effect generally and means the club feels and is more welcoming.
I remember the 'olden days' of standing on terraces surrounded by drunks pxssing in beer cans (on a good day), bile pouring out too many throats;
I wouldn't want that sad macho environment back again.
Women are (largely, always exceptions) civilising and football is the better for their increasing presence and that has to include properly
funded women's teams.
These are good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malthibby
You just need to see how many girls teams are training at weekends these days to understand the potential of the women's game. It's a while since my kids were at primary school but I remember Saturday morning football for girls getting introduced for the first time back then and now they have as many teams playing as the boys.
As you mention earlier in your post the powers that be in Scotland do appear to be especially closed-minded when it comes to embracing the women's game.
Other countries the crowds are rocketing. The SFA are paying the game lip service and its struggling because of that. Far too much time spent encouraging "growing" the game at the recreational level and no time and effort spent on the elite side of the game. Scottish top teams have stagnated as has the national teams, and as a nation they are now being left behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Macdonalds pay minimum wage and above. I don't think there is any suggestion that the Hibs Women aren't on more than minimum wage. But in reality its a paltry figure and any girl playing pro football in Scotland isn't making a decent living from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
Isn't that part of the problem though? Where does the money come from to pay a decent wage if they're not generating it? I'm all for other teams under the club banner but they have to make business sense in the same way that lower league teams need to. Most of those lower teams are struggling with greater attendances! You can't give away free tickets and claim there was X amount of a crowd when the reality is that barely a couple of hundred paid at the gate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside