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Against a much more powerful country and a leader who runs on spite, I’m not convinced a world leader calling him out immediately is a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Remembering the phone call that Angela Merkel had with Trump where she basically explained how economics works to him, a kid gloves approach is probably the least worst option.
And again, what a depressing thing to have to type.
Justification for tyrannical leaders worldwide. Turkeys voting avidly for Christmas.
My wife and I lived in Boston and moved to London in December last year due to a new job and having to change visas. We have started the visa process again recently and the intention has always been to move back in 2025.
I think we will continue but will watch closely how things go over the next few months.
You know I have no feelings either way. The public get who they vote for right!Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
That's how it works.
Here labour got in and my god shambles does not come close so you could say UK are equally stupid for believing the lies of labour pre election
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No doubt about thatQuote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
There are not enough adjectives to express how I feel just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I think the people in the USA who voted for him today will be looking back in a years time and questioning what drove them to vote for Trump.
I am depressed at how depressed I feel over this. I live in Australia, why should I care a toss about how these crazy yanks have voted. But I have a modicum of intelligence to understand the impact this will have on our life over the next 4 years.
What a screwed up world we life in.
After the tories were kicked out I had a little hope Labour would be brave and make the decisions this country needed but that lasted up to the budget and it dawned on me they are all the same, cowards, liars, corrupt.
That reset my expectations to zero and with Trump getting in it doesn’t even scratch the surface.
It’s all about doing what you can for your family and loved ones in my opinion now. When America make stupid decisions like today, you can’t control or influence it. Politics is dead in the US and the UK.
Absolute madness.
Buckle up world as this egotistic narcissistic megalomaniac is about to be unleashed on the world yet again.
Congratulations Trump, deserved.
Absolutely. Opinion polling was clear that they had to go with Michelle Obama to have any chance of beating Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by AugustaHibs
Step out of the limelight, not a cat in hell's chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Calling it now, Trump will change it so he can run for a third term.
Can’t be far away from being official now, he just picked up another ticket.
Don't think he'll live that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
RFK jr being given free rein on health is a pretty scary thought. “Go and have fun” trump tells him….
Every cloud has a silver lining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
The signs were all there and I don't think Harris was ever a serious contender, the fact he has won the popular vote as well is quite telling. The economy is nearly always the most important factor in how people vote, to say people are stupid because they voted to make the economy better is just looking for a simple answer to a complex problem, in some ways the exact thing Trump has done.
For me Trump (and Musk) sweeping to power is the result of years (decades?) of mainstream politicians striving to be the least bad option and people continuing to give tacit approval to that by voting for their favourite least bad candidate rather than demanding someone with a genuine ideological and moral pathway steps forward. We complain about the status quo and the obvious failures of late stage capitalism and neoliberalism but continue to endorse it in 4 or 5 year cycles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Trump is dishonest in so many ways but in other ways what you see is what you get. He blurts out what he believes in. Even his closest advisors must have their head in their hands sometimes but with that said the more outrageous he gets the more popular he becomes, certainly among his core support. Contrast that to UK front bench politicians struggling to define a woman in the lead up to our election. It's not the case of them not knowing what they believe a woman to be, it's a case of being so terrified of saying what they truly believe because it might alienate people who don't believe the same as them that they end up alienating everyone and someone steps in to fill the void. That's one example but our election campaign was littered with such. Ultimately there isn't really that same level of bull**** and evasiveness with someone like Trump. He's a bit racist, a bit sexist, a bit of this and a bit of that and whilst none of that is admirable he's put it on show for the world to see and ask to be judged on it. The verdict is depressing of course.
A Trump victory isn't good for the average American but then I'm not sure a Harris victory was that much better. Decades of the same cyclical Presidents has seen the middle class continuously decimated, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. For all his rhetoric Trump will be as much of a continuation of that as Harris would have been; he'll just give some people a mandate to punch down rather than up when looking for who to blame. In terms of foreign policy he actually seems somewhat less hawkish than a lot of other prominent American politicians. A weird attraction to or veneration of autocrats and dictators certainly but in other ways he seems to hark back to the more isolationist America first politicians of the pre war years rather than the modern day world police.
A depressing result but then it was an even more depressing choice to begin with. Outargeous right wing populist v bland centre right continuation candidate. Hail to the new chief, same as the old one.
They were definitely the two biggest factors. How does any incumbent win after years of huge inflation, near 10% in the US. Years of being financially worse off and prices going through the roof in shops, then the incumbent says have another four years of what you've had. Immigration too which will also be one of the biggest problems for Western governments going forward. They reckon 3 million tried to cross the Mexican border last year with 1 million making it to settle in America, it was a big issue for Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Depressing stuff seeing that idiot for the next 5 years if he survives
I agree. I see no sense in blaming the American people. The Dems have taken their eye off the ball and it’s on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
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Has any incumbent survived yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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So the mad tango man is getting in again, the world is gonna be ****ed.
Macron but he basically lost but won a coalition, dozens or so major defeats of the top of my head, Germany and Canada will be nextQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The Republicans are also going to take control of the senate meaning all his bonkers ideas will get a free ride.
And Scotland. Wales might buck the trend but nothing seems to ever change there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Only saving grace is he doesn’t seem to get mich done. He had control of House and Senate first two years last time and achieved nothing. No bills passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I expect the ideas will be madder this time right enough and there will be less people holding them back. Americans might have to take the time to actually read Project 2025.
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I'm not convinced people will look back with any remorse.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddoc
Trump has popularised all the toxic traits that has him appealing to so many people.
Shame and regret have been replaced with "**** you, I do what I want", and thats all fair and well in a normal society. America is not one of these.
Their grandchildren may wonder WTF were you thinking, but who knows? By then the country will be so polarised and the views that historically were at the very least held in secret will be out in the open.
One such instance from this election was the boat with the Trump and Nazi flags on it. Even 20 years ago these wouldn't have been seen, and the views and flags would be reserved for private nut job meetings, now they're loud and proud.
They are well placed to follow the nazi playbook now. There won’t be a lot stopping them. Will be an interesting watch if nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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That's it, he did nothing last time. With him and Musk being tied to the markets they won't do anything shocking although they said they would to get power. He will pardon himself though surely and fill the supreme courtQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I'm meant to be giving a lecture this morning on international climate policy. I might as well rip it up and take the students to the pub...
Guess it's time to change the name of the thread again.
What a calamitous start to the day.