(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Buy shares in bleach if Trump gets in Toosday.

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a cure for Covid :agree:

i mean, well, i, oh fgs

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...0Q&oe=672DB454

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

I'd disregard single polls but there is a massive difference. The poll that had Trump 9 ahead generally has Republic almost a dozen points ahead because they mainly ask republicans so can be disregarded anyway. Selzer is one of the most accurate polls usually, it had Trump well ahead in Iowa last time when he won there.

The margin of error is 3% so could go either way. The thing is though Trump should be about 8 ahead here so that's the interesting point. It also looks from the data women are turning out and massively voting Dem. Looks like abortion is going to play a big part in this election

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Abortion laws absolutely should be a big part. Utterly backward and cruel.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/314...c6c883d7e86ccf

Surprising? Not really I reckon.

"Scots like Donald Trump more than other western Europeans do, a survey has revealed.

A quarter of adults living north of the border hope the controversial Republican nominee wins Tuesday’s US presidential election.

That is much higher than the meagre support of just 16 per cent in the UK as a whole and compared with just 17 per cent in Spain, 15 per cent in France, 14 per cent in Germany, 13 per cent in Sweden and 7 per cent in Denmark"

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

"Scots like Donald Trump more than other western Europeans do, a survey has revealed.

A quarter of adults living north of the border hope the controversial Republican nominee wins Tuesday’s US presidential election.

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I don't believe it.

The poll gives numbers of those polled for the whole of GB. Here's the summary results from the YouGov website - figures for GB polling. I suspect that the Scottish numbers have been made up to enable the Times to create a story.

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Originally Posted by grunt

I don't believe it.

The poll gives numbers of those polled for the whole of GB. I suspect that the Scottish numbers have been made up to enable the Times to create a story.

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Maybe they polled the Scots portion in and around Ayrshire.

I agree with you, looks like rubbish. I'm surprised Jamie isn't surprised.

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Originally Posted by grunt

I don't believe it.

The poll gives numbers of those polled for the whole of GB. Here's the summary results from the YouGov website - figures for GB polling. I suspect that the Scottish numbers have been made up to enable the Times to create a story.

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So you believe they sat around a table and decided to make up some polling numbers? All the journalists and the Editors and the polling company Norsat who are one of the leading data collectors in the Europe all got together to make this up and then decided to rope in the University of Glasgow who also agreed to the fake numbers just to create a story?

I mean I guess it could happen.

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

So you believe they sat around a table and decided to make up some polling numbers? All the journalists and the Editors and the polling company Norsat who are one of the leading data collectors in the Europe all got together to make this up and then decided to rope in the University of Glasgow who also agreed to the fake numbers just to create a story?

I mean I guess it could happen.

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They won’t have made anything up. I suspect it’s maybe a Scottish subsample of the whole UK poll and therefore not very reliable.
I’d be very surprised if any nation in the UK differed much on opinions on Trump.


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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

So you believe they sat around a table and decided to make up some polling numbers?

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Yes. It's The Times, it's what they do.

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

I mean I guess it could happen.

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There you go.

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Originally Posted by grunt

I don't believe it.

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It could be true. Scotland still has a greater alcohol problem than rUK, I think. Trump doesn't drink alcohol but much of the time he sounds as if he's pished, and perception counts. There could be a 'he's one of us!' effect going on, particularly with the Scots maw.

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Originally Posted by grunt

I don't believe it.

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That's it. I've finally become Victor Meldrew.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

They won’t have made anything up. I suspect it’s maybe a Scottish subsample of the whole UK poll and therefore not very reliable.
I’d be very surprised if any nation in the UK differed much on opinions on Trump.


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It's probably around 200 Scots so less than France ect. I agree to small a number to be accurate but gives a rough idea.

Saying a European wide pole from respected pollsters and universities made it up is utterly ridiculous though.

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

https://www.thetimes.com/article/314...c6c883d7e86ccf

Surprising? Not really I reckon.

"Scots like Donald Trump more than other western Europeans do, a survey has revealed.

A quarter of adults living north of the border hope the controversial Republican nominee wins Tuesday’s US presidential election.

That is much higher than the meagre support of just 16 per cent in the UK as a whole and compared with just 17 per cent in Spain, 15 per cent in France, 14 per cent in Germany, 13 per cent in Sweden and 7 per cent in Denmark"

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Would be amazed if that was the case unless there survey was taken outside Ibrox

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

https://www.thetimes.com/article/314...c6c883d7e86ccf

Surprising? Not really I reckon.

"Scots like Donald Trump more than other western Europeans do, a survey has revealed.

A quarter of adults living north of the border hope the controversial Republican nominee wins Tuesday’s US presidential election.

That is much higher than the meagre support of just 16 per cent in the UK as a whole and compared with just 17 per cent in Spain, 15 per cent in France, 14 per cent in Germany, 13 per cent in Sweden and 7 per cent in Denmark"

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How can they come out with that line

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Originally Posted by grunt

I don't believe it.

The poll gives numbers of those polled for the whole of GB. Here's the summary results from the YouGov website - figures for GB polling. I suspect that the Scottish numbers have been made up to enable the Times to create a story.

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Would guess that the Scotland results are unweighted.

Some folk are maybe on the wind up, I'd probably have said I would vote for him purely just to noise people up

I grew up in a small town, most of my "mates" growing up would be Rangers fans.

TBH, given where they've ended up politically, this would be of absolutely no surprise to me whatsoever.

They love him, he speaks their language - f'ing nonsense.

Does anyone really care what opinions irrational Scots have about Trump?
Or is that really relevant to Americans of Scottish descent and how they might vote in the election?

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Does anyone really care what opinions irrational Scots have about Trump?
Or is that really relevant to Americans of Scottish descent and how they might vote in the election?

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It helps the Times push the idea that Scotland is not more progressive than rUK, and that the progressive political parties who do so well in Scotland (eg Labour and SNP) don't reflect the views of real Scottish people. This is Telegraph level BS.

Figures showed that 56% of Scottish residents supported Kamala Harris –*


That's not the headline though! 🤔

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Originally Posted by Smartie

I grew up in a small town, most of my "mates" growing up would be Rangers fans.

TBH, given where they've ended up politically, this would be of absolutely no surprise to me whatsoever.

They love him, he speaks their language - f'ing nonsense.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

It helps the Times push the idea that Scotland is not more progressive than rUK, and that the progressive political parties who do so well in Scotland (eg Labour and SNP) don't reflect the views of real Scottish people. This is Telegraph level BS.

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

It helps the Times push the idea that Scotland is not more progressive than rUK, and that the progressive political parties who do so well in Scotland (eg Labour and SNP) don't reflect the views of real Scottish people. This is Telegraph level BS.

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The Times and the Daily Record and The National and all the other newspapers that ran with the story?

It was covered in the article the point you are making, I am guessing you refuse to believe the polling expert but he makes his point below.

Mark McGeoghegan, a polling and politics expert at the University of Glasgow, said the results should not be surprising.

“For decades, we have stuck to the myth that we are more left-wing and socially liberal than our neighbours, a story that, for the pro-independence wing of Scottish politics, feeds a sense that our different politics justifies independence. But it is just that, a story.

“The sense that Scotland is more immune to Trump’s brand of right-wing populism than other parts of the UK is rooted in the fact that Thatcherism and deindustrialisation rendered the Conservatives toxic north of the border and that the SNP chose to target Labour and Labour voters. The legacy is a party system that is more left-leaning than most, but not an electorate that is.

McGeoghegan said there was as much demand for right-wing populism in Scotland as anywhere else in Europe.

This is not just on the unionist side, he said. He added: “It makes sense that Scots attracted to independence — a form of outsider politics that promises to solve tough problems with a simple solution — might also be attracted to Trump.”

He concluded: “While not surprising, this should be concerning. Trump’s politics are not just right-wing populist but authoritarian. We should all be deeply worried that he could take a quarter of Scots.”

But as pointed out the sample size is small.

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

The Times and the Daily Record and The National and all the other newspapers that ran with the story?

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The MSM feeds on itself to generate news. Big deal.

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

Mark McGeoghegan, a polling and politics expert at the University of Glasgow, said the results should not be surprising.

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Have a look at his articles online. He's one of these experts who is expert at sitting on the fence. "It could mean this, or it could mean that." He allows the media to twist his views into any shape that meets their needs.

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

“For decades, we have stuck to the myth that we are more left-wing and socially liberal than our neighbours, a story that, for the pro-independence wing of Scottish politics, feeds a sense that our different politics justifies independence. But it is just that, a story.

“The sense that Scotland is more immune to Trump’s brand of right-wing populism than other parts of the UK is rooted in the fact that Thatcherism and deindustrialisation rendered the Conservatives toxic north of the border and that the SNP chose to target Labour and Labour voters. The legacy is a party system that is more left-leaning than most, but not an electorate that is.

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Rubbish. Complete bollocks. If anything, the SNP membership is more left leaning than the party leadership.

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

This is not just on the unionist side, he said. He added: “It makes sense that Scots attracted to independence — a form of outsider politics that promises to solve tough problems with a simple solution — might also be attracted to Trump.”

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Have you ever read such rubbish?

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

But as pointed out the sample size is small.

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Indeed.

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Originally Posted by jamie_1875

The Times and the Daily Record and The National and all the other newspapers that ran with the story?

It was covered in the article the point you are making, I am guessing you refuse to believe the polling expert but he makes his point below.

Mark McGeoghegan, a polling and politics expert at the University of Glasgow, said the results should not be surprising.

“For decades, we have stuck to the myth that we are more left-wing and socially liberal than our neighbours, a story that, for the pro-independence wing of Scottish politics, feeds a sense that our different politics justifies independence. But it is just that, a story.

“The sense that Scotland is more immune to Trump’s brand of right-wing populism than other parts of the UK is rooted in the fact that Thatcherism and deindustrialisation rendered the Conservatives toxic north of the border and that the SNP chose to target Labour and Labour voters. The legacy is a party system that is more left-leaning than most, but not an electorate that is.

McGeoghegan said there was as much demand for right-wing populism in Scotland as anywhere else in Europe.

This is not just on the unionist side, he said. He added: “It makes sense that Scots attracted to independence — a form of outsider politics that promises to solve tough problems with a simple solution — might also be attracted to Trump.”

He concluded: “While not surprising, this should be concerning. Trump’s politics are not just right-wing populist but authoritarian. We should all be deeply worried that he could take a quarter of Scots.”

But as pointed out the sample size is small.

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You're guessing wrong. I have no opinion whatsoever on how accurate the polling was. I wouldn't be surprised if a certain demographic in Scotland prefers Trump because of his orangeness. But the idea that Scotland as a whole is not relatively 'progressive' but repeatedly votes to be governed by 'progressive' parties and never votes to be governed by non-'progressive' parties is just bizarre.

more than 78m have now voted

oh dear not another one, he's a fantastic businessman isn't he Popular Liberal 🇺🇸 on X: "WOW! Major news: Donald Trump is on the brink of his seventh bankruptcy! With a staggering $1.8B in debt and only around $400 million in cash, it's crystal clear why he and Elon Musk are so desperate for the White House. "What does Elmo get out of it? Blank taxpayers' welfare https://t.co/qUwaChLYga" / X

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oh dear not another one, he's a fantastic businessman isn't he Popular Liberal 🇺🇸 on X: "WOW! Major news: Donald Trump is on the brink of his seventh bankruptcy! With a staggering $1.8B in debt and only around $400 million in cash, it's crystal clear why he and Elon Musk are so desperate for the White House. "What does Elmo get out of it? Blank taxpayers' welfare https://t.co/qUwaChLYga" / X

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I would love this to be true but his stake in his social media company is back up to £3-£4 billion and he can now cash in his shares.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

I would love this to be true but his stake in his social media company is back up to £3-£4 billion and he can now cash in his shares.

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I don’t think there will be any real buyers at that price.


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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

It helps the Times push the idea that Scotland is not more progressive than rUK, and that the progressive political parties who do so well in Scotland (eg Labour and SNP) don't reflect the views of real Scottish people. This is Telegraph level BS.

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Absolutely the reason it is done