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My mistake. Regardless, I share the concerns of may on here that we may make the same mistakes as previous summer windows this year as we have got it so wrong for so long - I just think that it's a bit early to start castigating the board for doing it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
Certainly can't argue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEEJ
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/cov...2746-31091359/
Hopefully this link works, here is the main bit anyway:
" City’s development director Steve Waggott confirmed the two clubs have been in communication over the defender’s future, saying: “We have had a discussion with Hibs about the next steps for James but that’s very much up in the air at the moment and to all intents and purposes he’s still a Coventry player and will be returning for pre-season on July 1."
Sorry if posted already.
Interesting if true. Out of contract at Carlisle where he has done well and earned an international recall recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe
c50 games for Leeds prior to joining Carlisle.
Sky report from last month said Barnsley, Swindon and Crawley were all interested though so might be better money on the table than we'd offer.
In summary: Sign him up.
Other than the manager's not getting the right players (which is with hindsight mainly) what mistakes do we generally make each window?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
Name sounds familiar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe
Have we been credited with an interest previously?
Encouraging to hear that we have had discussions with Coventry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mixu 6-2
Here's hoping we can agree a package to get him signed up.
What we can't afford to do is leave it late with signings. This has proved to be a complete and utter failure. The dross we have signed while leaving it late is unreal. Get players signed and fast. No messing about and then they can get a proper pre season together. If this doesn't happen then Fenlon has a real task on his hands. I still think he's our man to get us out this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
This twice annual complaint firstly I don't think really stacks up when you look at the dates players sign and secondly I don't think is a deliberate tactic at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thecat23
It's just the way it wors when there is competition for players and leagues that go back at different times.
Why would there be such a big fuss abour deadline day if it worked any differently?
Getting players in quickly is of course ideal, but only if they are the ones you want. Speed isn't of the essence, the right quality and creating the right balance at the end of it is.
You'd think reading on this that Hibs just sit about in the office until suddenly deciding to do something weeks later. That's total nonsense.
Where we've made mistakes is in pursuing the wrong players. We've also changed manager so often that we constantly have to work on getting more players in than anyone else.
Yes, some teams are announcing players now. Some we might quite like, most we wouldn't. I'd question whether you are giving yourself the best opportunity to see what players become available. For what its worth I think hibs have at least two players who have agreed to sign and had been worked on for some time before the end of the season and several more are ongoing even though we don't hear about them.
Keep this in mind: The keeper Smith was signed on the first day of a window. De Graaf was nice and early as were Maka and O'Brien. You can sign dross whenever you complete the deal.
I can understand why it has happened previously (and have defended the board for it) but we have often been near the start of the season giving trials to the likes of Thicot and Keenan, which is far from ideal preparation for a new season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I have accepted the reasons for why this has happened previously, but it does cause us problems - I think the biggest issue is that we are often asked to be patient as quality signings can be made on deadline day, but keeping some of the budget back in the hope of getting a significant piece of the jigsaw in the closing hours of the window has proven to be a flawed policy in recent years (I appreciate that we got Bamba and Riordan in 2008).
I must state that it is far too early to be really worrying about our lack of signings, and I do have a feeling (FWIW) that we will make the necessary signings earlier this year - however, I can understand the concerns that people have about the happenings of recent windows being repeated; with such a huge rebuild required, getting as many new signings in as possible for pre-season training is massively important.
I mistakenly thought that the window opened today, and that we would hear about signings now - people are gonna get very edgy if nothing is announced over the next month. I understand that we cannot possibly know the ins and outs of what the club are doing, and that work will constantly be going on with regards to bringing the right players to Hibs. However, given how bad things have been in recent years, and how horrendous the SC Final experience was, I can understand why people will question how significant business is being done elsewhere, whilst we have yet to announce anything.
I am not anxious yet, but decisive action is needed soon.
What do you mean dross you thought he was brilliant. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Agree with all other points it is ideal to get players in however the most important thing is that it is the right players and not last minute panic buys in August.
Most people in football, players, managers, Boards etc will be on holidays I would imagine and while appreciating that business will still be able to be done in some respect I think we need to be patient to some degree. If we are in late July and we are well short then I think that there would be room for complaint not in the first day of June IMO.
your thinking of the ex celtic playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Don Giovanni
We have a psychicQuote:
Originally Posted by muzzhfc
We had actually been linked with this guy when he was released by Leeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzhfc
If Fenlon get's us the spine of a team this summer. A goalkeep, McPake, A Central midfielder and a proper number 9 then I'll even wait until January to add more pieces.
I accept that this is a long term project now. We are a complete mess, and anyone that thinks we can go from here to top 6 or European challengers in one summer is, frankly, deluded.
I'd be delighted with 8th or above this season and push on.
We don't need a revolution every summer, we need solid mark improvement. That old 5 year plan etc, with clear defined markers of improvement that Fenlon can be judged against.
Cheers Andy, I thought that was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
This is the reality. There is no quick fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Perhaps Fenlon will be part of the reason we find it hard to bring quality players in. Our dismal home form and appalling Cup Final are going to be factors, and judging by something I heard from someone connected to the playing staff he's not set the heather on fire on the training park either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Folk my like the track suit and passionate plain speaking but i don't think he's a big draw in himself.
Time will tell how he does in a League where he won't have the most to spend.
I am hearing that Brown and O'Brien don't particularly hit it off. Brown could be the next out the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
Promising Hibs Youngsters now a lost generation.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...tion-1-2333092
He had to build a squad in his last year in Ireland from scratch with about £250k total wage budget. The team he managed to pull together finished in a decent position so he must be able to do allright without a big budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
There have been a number of articles from ex players and journalists that I've read since he arrived that have been very complimentary about the way he goes about things and his record proves he knows how to with things.
Compared to the many other non entities at rival clubs this seems a bizarre angle to take. I must admit I don't really get the undercurrent that seems to be working to undermine Fenlon already, as if we haven't learned yet what being in constant upheaval is doing for us.
A bit of a daft article that though on a slow news day. Mind you, many Hibs fans were getting carried away too when they all got signd up but really, two or three coming from any age group into the first team is exceptional and it could have focused on how three from that age group are now in and around the first team with two being key Scotland Under 21 players, one of them the captain.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Exactly what I heard from a player – “his ways are old fashion and out-dated” is what I was told.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
I know he has a lot of support from the fans but I fail to understand how he has gain this, what are his qualities?
Can someone tell me why he is the man to take us forward, to me it was another cheap option from Hibs, I will be delighted if he comes good but I feel were are in for a long, long season once more.
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...suits-Mac.html
JAMES McPAKE is willing to sacrifice £200,000 to ensure that he gets a move to Hibs.
SunSport understands the Easter Road skipper would love to clinch a permanent move to Hibs after last season’s four month loan spell.
So if its in the sun, that means it's not true, gutted he's not coming back!
I'm sure that player was able to claim the high ground given the medals they will have won compared to Fenlon?Quote:
Originally Posted by c31
McPake spoke very highly of Fenlon, said he really enjoyed training and thought most of the boys did too.
What he did allude to is that there are a couple who had gripes about training etc, but it was generally guys who were on the fringes or not playing at all.
Look up his wiki page it gives you a good idea of what he has won as a player and a manager and what his football credentials are. Compare it then with the football career of the unnamed player and see who has more credibility in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by c31
Every club including the top in the world will have players who are only too willing to mouth off about what is wrong with this or that usually when they are not playing in the first team. Footballers are inherently self obsessed and will look for any excuse why they are not in the team rather than focussing on things they may be able to control like fitness or practising more on weaknesses in their game rather than moaning to every random Joe about the manager usually while supping on a pint.
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Originally Posted by HibeeMassive
As happens with every club on the planet get these losers out the club.