The New Manager Mega Thread - Please Post Rumours In Here

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Originally Posted by 7Hero

hibs should have appointed an experinced manager after mowbray end of story, collins was a mistake, best chance with the best team we have had in years to win a cup double and he blew it..

its no coincidence he isn't in management now..

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Since when were we in a position to complain about winning a single cup and missing out on a double?

I think Mowbray blew the best chances of winning a Scottish cup by the way. If he'd not got us pumped 4-0 by the Pink Ones we'd have had a Gretna final.

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Originally Posted by ancienthibby

The post is correct!

European HR legislation rules!!

Next thing you'll be posting saying that you have never heard of Bosman:bye::bye:

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European HR legislation says that employment law is heavily wieghted in favour of the employee? Can you quote me the relevant paragraph please?

Was this the part that made Tony Blair boast that the UK had the most restrictive employment practices in the western world?

looks like our new manager will be at the game on saturday. EEN stevenson - you never know who will be watching.

If hibs appoint mowbray again I will be a happy man always liked him. So come on rumors turn out too be true. Either Mowbray or macdonald for me

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Well obviously it's my opinion, but for me there's a ridiculous amount of green tinted specs going on when it comes to Mowbray.

Yes we played good stuff under him, but he had the benefit of turning up just as our youth system churned out 6 or 7 top players, all of them better than anything we have now. Our current midfield is woefully incapable of bringing back the much vaunted Mowbray passing game and to me, when we fail to start playing like that again, there'd be a fair few folk on his back immediately.

Secondly, while he brought in some quality players, he also brought in a level of huddie unequaled by any other manager, and let's not forget Zibby, the single worst goalkeeper I've ever laid eyes on.

At Celtic he p1ssed a fortune up the wall on a whole host of awful players, his team played like crap and went through about the worst run of results I can ever remember Celtic having, the man himself seemed to lack any heart for the fight and started talking about leaving football.

Good memories should stay where they belong. A return for Mowbray would be even more sentimental than our much maligned habit of appointing ex players.

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Was goin to post something similar, but you`ve covered most points better than i could mate. What i will say is that the only thing that really needed a bit of sorting was our defence at the time, which, as he went on to prove at West Brom and Celtic, Mowbray was woefully incapable of fixing. For a guy who was such a good defender during his playing days,he certainly couldn`t spot a good one..! We did play some terrific football during his tenure and we`ll remember and appreciate him for that but i think it`s better to leave it in the past.

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Originally Posted by ancienthibby

1. You're clearly living on a different planet if you think that the sum of £1.7 million does not include the full pay-outs for Mowbray and Venus.

2. Bollocks re garden leave. Mowbray was an employee and not a contractor and he is well protected by employment legislation. To do as you suggest would be an infringement of his opportunities to work and no employer can get away with that!!

Also, garden leave applies when an employee accepts an offer from another employer and his current employers then put him on 'garden leave' on all his standard terms of employment until his contracted notice period expires. For the record, Mowbray was fired and garden leave does not apply.

He is being quiet without a doubt because his termination agreement will call for that.

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If we can cast your bollocks to one side for a brief moment ...

1. He is (or rather was as of last month when I last cared to ask about it) on the club's payroll. No idea where the £1.7M came from. I'll go and ask now.

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Bored now :)

TM, MV and PG all on a long-term (5 years?) contract so there was much haggling. No idea if the haggling is finished or not. In the case of TM, I assume not for the moment. Do you know when the accounts were published and for what period? It's been suggested that the £1.7M was payment due to WBA *for* the services of TM and PG. If they are still haggling then he will be getting paid (this is not unique for celtc as MoN was also on the payroll until recently, although his circumstances were slightly different - and let's not forget Balde's efforts too!).

Also been told that Peter Grant has since joined Brum (never knew that!) so that suggests some kind of severance was sorted out there.

A fair number of players were shipped out when Strachan left and Mowbray joined. Could be related to those contracts too?

2. I do not live on another planet. For this to be true would require a great deal of funding, which in this current economic situation would see the risk of my funding being pulled and me being marooned (ahem) on the aforementioned planet.

3. Your interpretation of garden leave is valid in your own interpretation (circular arguement I suppose). The term could be deemed generic now in that it applies to an agreed set of terms regarding the outstanding monies due to an individual based on the original contract. The only real common denominator between any individual's aspect of garden leave is that period of time of leave in which an individual is unable to seek employment within the agreed area of expertise. If payment is part of the term, lump sum is fine or even an agreed contribution in chunks over a certain period is fine ... or even a "sod it - just carry on paying me until my contract expires and I'll faff about the house in my pants".

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Originally Posted by ancienthibby

On the contrary! What I wrote is completely correct. :agree:

What you have described as a personal situation is a different matter and one I would have thought no company would seek to introduce. No properly run company would retain employees at home for 9 months if they were having an adverse effect on the Company. There is no economic rationale for so doing and it could be a restriction of the employees legal right to be free to find employment.:grr:

Under proper legal advice a company would seek an Compromise agreement with such employees and arrange a payout and let both sides move on, unencumbered by each other.

If i was a shareholder in a company that did such a thing - a blatant waste of shareholders' funds - I'd be looking to remove the management at the next AGM!!:devil:

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Thats not what you wrote originally. You stated that gardening leave is only for employees looking for employment elsewhere, I gave you an example of how this is not the case. No properly run company? Its one of the largest banks in the world and is run in such a manner that it required no bail out from governments.

re the part in bold. How do you know that when Celtic wanted shot of Mowbray they didnt get together and say to him that they will relieve him of management but keep paying him and Mowbray agreed? this may have been a perfect opportunity for him, take some time off and get paid for it.

just for the record, here is what gardening leave can mean

"The term can also be used when an employee is sent home whilst subject to disciplinary proceedings, when they are between projects, or where, as a result of publicity, their presence at work is considered counter-productive."

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Originally Posted by The_Todd

Since when were we in a position to complain about winning a single cup and missing out on a double?

I think Mowbray blew the best chances of winning a Scottish cup by the way. If he'd not got us pumped 4-0 by the Pink Ones we'd have had a Gretna final.

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Out of the last four Scottish Cup semi-final defeats the Hearts one might hurt the most to some, but is nowhere near the most wasteful. Mowbray's Dundee United defeat was worse, Dunfermline possibly even more so.

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Well obviously it's my opinion, but for me there's a ridiculous amount of green tinted specs going on when it comes to Mowbray.

Yes we played good stuff under him, but he had the benefit of turning up just as our youth system churned out 6 or 7 top players, all of them better than anything we have now. Our current midfield is woefully incapable of bringing back the much vaunted Mowbray passing game and to me, when we fail to start playing like that again, there'd be a fair few folk on his back immediately.

Secondly, while he brought in some quality players, he also brought in a level of huddie unequaled by any other manager, and let's not forget Zibby, the single worst goalkeeper I've ever laid eyes on.


At Celtic he p1ssed a fortune up the wall on a whole host of awful players, his team played like crap and went through about the worst run of results I can ever remember Celtic having, the man himself seemed to lack any heart for the fight and started talking about leaving football.

Good memories should stay where they belong. A return for Mowbray would be even more sentimental than our much maligned habit of appointing ex players.

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You make alot of good points and alot I do agree with, if I was honest I wouldnt be disapointed if he came back (dont think it will happen) but similarly I dont know who I would say I 100% want. All I do know is I hope we dont appoint an underwhelming manager i.e that penny guy, id take tangoman over him but similarly you just never know whats gona work out and what isnt. Just feel like the whole club could do with a big lift and a relitivley high profile appointement would do that, initially anyway.

Also agree on the sentimenal point, any manager should only be appointed on merit sentiments aside. Just wish they would hurry up and get something announced, put us out or misery :greengrin, but take all the time in the world Rodders as long is you make the right choice.

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Originally Posted by hibs13681

Thats not what you wrote originally. You stated that gardening leave is only for employees looking for employment elsewhere, I gave you an example of how this is not the case. No properly run company? Its one of the largest banks in the world and is run in such a manner that it required no bail out from governments.

re the part in bold. How do you know that when Celtic wanted shot of Mowbray they didnt get together and say to him that they will relieve him of management but keep paying him and Mowbray agreed? this may have been a perfect opportunity for him, take some time off and get paid for it.

just for the record, here is what gardening leave can mean

"The term can also be used when an employee is sent home whilst subject to disciplinary proceedings, when they are between projects, or where, as a result of publicity, their presence at work is considered counter-productive."

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Sorry, never used that word!

Also, the word 'also' should be inserted in your last sentence between 'can' and 'mean'.:devil:

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Originally Posted by Mili Tant

European HR legislation says that employment law is heavily wieghted in favour of the employee? Can you quote me the relevant paragraph please?

Was this the part that made Tony Blair boast that the UK had the most restrictive employment practices in the western world?

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It's more than 50 years since I started work and I can assure you that in that lifetime there has been an absolute sea-change in the rights of employees with the pendulum swinging in only one direction.:agree:

The internet is replete with pages detailing the growth of employees rights legislation.

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Originally Posted by ancienthibby

It's mrte than 50 years since I started work and I can assure you that in that lifetime there has been an absolute sea-change in the rights of employees with the pendulum swinging in only one direction.:agree:

The internet is replete with pages detailing the growth of employees rights legislation.

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Really? So all the acts that have been about weakening the unions since Thatcher in the 80s didn't really happen?

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Originally Posted by ancienthibby

It's mrte than 50 years since I started work and I can assure you that in that lifetime there has been an absolute sea-change in the rights of employees with the pendulum swinging in only one direction.:agree:

The internet is replete with pages detailing the growth of employees rights legislation.

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

Really? So all the acts that have been about weakening the unions since Thatcher in the 80s didn't really happen?

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This thread is going way off at a tangent. :greengrin

But employment legislation and the power of the unions are largely different and unrelated things. Ancient is correct; employment legislation in the UK is much, much more employee oriented today than it was even a decade ago.

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Originally Posted by Mili Tant

European HR legislation says that employment law is heavily wieghted in favour of the employee? Can you quote me the relevant paragraph please?

Was this the part that made Tony Blair boast that the UK had the most restrictive employment practices in the western world?

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Without taking the entire thread off-topic, I'm fairly sure Blair said that the UK had the most restrictive union laws in Europe.

Anyone hear Billy Stark has resigned? If true then the rumours of him and Clarke coming to ER will gather pace.

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Originally Posted by Thecat23

Anyone hear Billy Stark has resigned? If true then the rumours of him and Clarke coming to ER will gather pace.

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Have you heard anything yourself like ? if so from whom

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Originally Posted by Last Minute

Have you heard anything yourself like ? if so from whom

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Yeah mate, I got a text saying he'd left! But can't see it anywhere myself.

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Originally Posted by Gregor

If we can cast your bollocks to one side for a brief moment ...

1. He is (or rather was as of last month when I last cared to ask about it) on the club's payroll. No idea where the £1.7M came from. I'll go and ask now.

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Bored now :)

TM, MV and PG all on a long-term (5 years?) contract so there was much haggling. No idea if the haggling is finished or not. In the case of TM, I assume not for the moment. Do you know when the accounts were published and for what period? It's been suggested that the £1.7M was payment due to WBA *for* the services of TM and PG. If they are still haggling then he will be getting paid (this is not unique for celtc as MoN was also on the payroll until recently, although his circumstances were slightly different - and let's not forget Balde's efforts too!).

Also been told that Peter Grant has since joined Brum (never knew that!) so that suggests some kind of severance was sorted out there.

A fair number of players were shipped out when Strachan left and Mowbray joined. Could be related to those contracts too?

2. I do not live on another planet. For this to be true would require a great deal of funding, which in this current economic situation would see the risk of my funding being pulled and me being marooned (ahem) on the aforementioned planet.

3. Your interpretation of garden leave is valid in your own interpretation (circular arguement I suppose). The term could be deemed generic now in that it applies to an agreed set of terms regarding the outstanding monies due to an individual based on the original contract. The only real common denominator between any individual's aspect of garden leave is that period of time of leave in which an individual is unable to seek employment within the agreed area of expertise. If payment is part of the term, lump sum is fine or even an agreed contribution in chunks over a certain period is fine ... or even a "sod it - just carry on paying me until my contract expires and I'll faff about the house in my pants".

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are you sure, i seem to remember that mowbray only signed a 1 year contract with celtic. i remeber thinking that they were mad because they had forked out millions in compensation to west brom for a guy that probably had an eye on the middlesboro job if southgate could not get them promoted. if thats the case then i reckon the garden leave is over.

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Originally Posted by Thecat23

Anyone hear Billy Stark has resigned? If true then the rumours of him and Clarke coming to ER will gather pace.

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If stark has reisigned then. Your right those rumors will gather pace. Think that could be the result Clarke and stark in the hot seats lol stark be his number 2 a take it

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Originally Posted by darrenmcintosh2

If stark has reisigned then. Your right those rumors will gather pace. Think that could be the result Clarke and stark in the hot seats lol stark be his number 2 a take it

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Really do hope they get these two in. I think Hibs would do well under them.

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Originally Posted by Thecat23

Really do hope they get these two in. I think Hibs would do well under them.

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Yea right now it's hard to say how we could do well under new management cause thinknof the times we have said that Would be interesting to see their regime clarke is really into his training and the west ham players love working with him well so Zola says

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Originally Posted by darrenmcintosh2

Yea right now it's hard to say how we could do well under new management cause thinknof the times we have said that Would be interesting to see their regime clarke is really into his training and the west ham players love working with him well so Zola says

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From what i hear about him is the players loved his training it was fresh and high tempo. After seeing the players blowing out their rear ends the past few weeks that's ecactly what we need, someone who will put them through their paces.

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Originally Posted by Thecat23

From what i hear about him is the players loved his training it was fresh and high tempo. After seeing the players blowing out their rear ends the past few weeks that's ecactly what we need, someone who will put them through their paces.

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Yea exactly. Well what u see with hibs we start really well and throw the game away at the end that it's self tells you that their is a stamina issue and the players aren't fit enough. We have those fantastic facilities at east mains yet the players can't perform through the 90mins. You've got to ask questions. Hopefully the yogi successor has better training Regims.

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Originally Posted by Thecat23

From what i hear about him is the players loved his training it was fresh and high tempo. After seeing the players blowing out their rear ends the past few weeks that's ecactly what we need, someone who will put them through their paces.

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On the other hand if the new Manager's training involves putting in a wee bit effort then some of the resident rat pack might start throwing their toys out of the pram.

The poor wee sowels.

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Originally Posted by Golden Bear

On the other hand if the new Manager's training involves putting in a wee bit effort then some of the resident rat pack might start throwing their toys out of the pram.

The poor wee sowels.

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Yea cause the typical old firm if their a threat buy them **** a would say

Sorry guys new too this didn't relise couldn't say that yellow card

I'd happily take Stark as a number 1, never mind a number 2. :agree:

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Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass

Mate of mine just saw Mowbray and what he said looked like Petrie in the Caledonian Hotel having coffee.

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If Mowbray gets the job I'd be delighted cos he had us playing good fitty and we were shaping up to be a decent team as John Collins would no doubt agree

C'mon Rod, stop hanging around and get Mowbray signed up before another club come in for him

GGTTH

Anybody else out there thinking that, in order to maximise the crowd on Saturday, the new manager/management team could be announce on Friday and paraded at ER on Saturday? I think that scenario would fit perfectly into Rod's operating style....increased revenue and the rabbit out of the hat.


Forgot to add that, although I don't post a lot, I'm defo not a Yam...just love reading the posts and cannae type as fast as most of you folks.

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Originally Posted by c31

John Collins - Hibs most successful manager in the last 19 years, can he be persuaded to return.

What would it take?

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He won the LC with TM team and he left the club the day after East Mains opened. He is over rated on here and he talks rubbish! TBH cant really be that bothered with him, very over rated IMO.