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TBF that says more about Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Who’s the better of the two though? And why is it up to Smith to prove he’s better than Paulsen , surely it should be the other way round, no ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
That's almost a whole team of players now that McIness will never even have heard of!It may well be that he needs to roll up the bare Kilmarnock Rug and plant it in Gorgie to achieve the Pink Bus Fortress the silly twirlys are hoping for.
Because we’ll have scouted Poulsen and felt he was better than Smith, otherwise we wouldn’t be signing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
That’s not to say Smith won’t get the opportunity to prove the management wrong but if we’re not trying to sign better than what’s already here we’re doing it wrong.
This isn’t kids football where you need to give everyone a fair shot with equal game time. We play who we think is best and the players who aren’t picked need to prove otherwise every day in training and in matches when they get the chance.
Nobody went to watch Benfica B, that was part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16
The biggest thing that impacts Smith is his name and where he was signed from.
It’s almost like it’s not exotic or a big enough name for some.
The vast majority of his performances have been brilliant and he’s the best keeper I’ve seen at ER in years.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
That somehow if possible makes it even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
I don’t see it like that at all .Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I think since Smith stepped in as NO.1 against Aberdeen in the 3-3 game he’s exceeded expectations and done brilliantly and was one of the top keepers in our league last season and because of this I don’t think it will matter who comes in as Gray will stick with Smith as the NO.1 , the jerseys basically his to lose .
If keeps up the levels of performances then Paulsen wouldn’t see a lot of game time ( why would he ? ) which isn’t what Bournemouth want for their player . Going by how we stuck with Bursik for so long I don’t think Grays as ruthless to drop our current keeper who has been outstanding… just my opinion of course.
Bizarrely, he seems to have been pretty highly rated there and had a 30 million euro release clause in his contract when he signed it in 2018, I read that juventus had tried to sign him as had one of the big German teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
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There’s actually an article on the BBC Sport page mentioning Modric going to the Huns with Ancelotti Jnr 😂😂😂
“When asked whether he'd fancy coming to Rangers, he didn't say no“
And
“Other players have also asked Ancelotti to take them to Scotland.”
****ing hell!!
Currently I think Smith is the better keeper and he has also played and is playing at a much higher level than Paulson.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I like Paulson and I think he is a brave keeper too, not too shy about coming off his line or diving into the mix. He does though have errors in him though and at times his distribution can be questionable, all that said and done I would like him at Easter Rd challenging for the gloves.
I see Cammy Devlin thinks his style of play will be suited to the type of team McInnes is building.
There is no doubt it will, its an absolute certainty!
Have Sevco's season ticket sales slowed down? What passes for sports journalists in Scotland trying to give Sevco a wee leg up I'd suggest.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
Always been thusQuote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
I’m not convinced smith gets to keep the gloves based off this seasons exploits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
If we were going into next season with the same keepers that ended this season then maybe. He’ll be getting new competition though, and if the new competition is deemed to be better then Smith will quite rightly be on the bench.
Gray would have to be stark raving bonkers to watch the way Smith played last season and risk upgrading him at this point.
He's a safe pair of hands and a known quantity in a key position. Given we've probably got a few loan players who'll need replacing, I'd rather we took our risks there.
We'll need an understudy and as with himself last season, it would be best if we had an understudy signed who was willing and capable of challenging to be number one. Keeps Smith very much on his toes if nothing else.
Well he will keep the new guy out of the team no problem. Nothing wrong with a bit of competition in a key position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Risk upgrading?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Not so sure I’d go as far as to say he’d be bonkers. If he thinks there is a better keeper then he’d be right to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
If Smith starts next season as number one, then I wouldn’t be overly concerned. Based on who was playing last season that and the right wing back position are positions I think we could improve.
Priorities for me would be re-signing or replacing Rocky and Triantis. And we’ll need a striker as well. Beyond that, we’re not too bad in terms of numbers so it’ll be about trying to upgrade some positions if we want to improve. Not easy, but we’ll need to look to do it if we want to improve.
An ‘upgrade’ is never a risk, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
We can and will get better in goals despite a good end to the season.
I'd upgrade any player if we had the funds. Not sure what risk an upgrade is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
We need 2 keepers with Boruc and Bursik away. Surely we should be bringing in keepers capable of challenging Smith if we can. They might not be good enough but we do need new keepers no matter what so why not try to get better?
Surely the bigger risk would be bringing in a new goalkeeper who we know isn’t better than Smith.
What do we do if it turns out that Smith has been playing out of his skin the last few months and fails to match those levels next season - bring in another goalie?
Hearing Hibs are in for Adam Le Fondre and Danny Swanson.
Any goalkeeper can lose form or get injured. Smith deserves to keep his place but it only makes sense to have at least one other experienced goalie that can step in. Not a position we can take a gamble on especially after our start last season.
I agree and it was nice when we had the choice of Marciano or Bogdan.Quote:
Originally Posted by James70
For whats its worth i would love us to bring Rocky back to the club he was a quality keeper.
I don’t think he should just keep the gloves if we kept the same keepers . I think it’s more down to how he’s performed since coming into the team and as we all know he’s been outstanding and proven to be one of the best keepers in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
I agree that he needs competition for the jersey but I doubt whoever comes as our new keeper is just going to takeover from Smith , another reason for this is Bursik had the jersey and Gray stuck with him as NO 1 even though Smith has proven to be a far better keeper .
I think Gray will stick with Smith as our No.1 whoever comes in , if he starts messing up like Bursik did he will naturally be replaced but if he doesn’t and continues to perform well he will keep the gloves IMO . It’s for this reason i don’t think It would suit Bournemouth or Paulsen to sign for Hibs unless we guarantee him game time which would be very unfair on Smith considering how he’s performed . Be surprised if it’s Paulsen we sign .
He’d be even more bonkers to go into a European campaign with no keeper pushing Smith on. Competition is good for keepersQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Smith is the same category as C Cadden for me. Solid players that you know what you will get and fine to go into next season as first choice. However there’s as big a risk of players like them regressing next season given a season like this season usually results in a big drop off. As big a risk of players not hitting the same heights as looking for upgrades IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
I’d not have upgrading Smith as a priority, though don’t think it’s out with the realms of possibility to do so. Same with C Cadden, think we need a starting wing back that can take some of the attacking reliance off N Cadden, particularly if N Cadden doesn’t hit the same heights as last season.
I guess my point is that any change is a risk, even one that is considered to be an upgrade. On paper, would Bursik not be considered an upgrade? In reality, you don't know how they're going to get on until they're in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew70
Smith has done well, well enough for me to be thinking that we stick rather than twist - especially if we keep Rocky and it means keeping a whole, effective defensive unit together.
Thank God! Finally a rumour!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stokesy's on fire
This reminds me of a time when my then 4 year old son was introduced to a pal of mines new girlfriendQuote:
Originally Posted by Stokesy's on fire
We asked my pal how it was going with the new partner
"Oh mate, she's a keeper" he said
"SHES A GOALIE?? WOW!" said the four year old, suddenly surprised and impressed....
I would keep smith as our number 1 going into next season, was excited with the Paulsen links a while ago and just seen an article from earlier on him picking up a few end of season awards and the links with the BK.
Does leave Murray as first choice and would maybe be another year without Hibs first team football, was highly rated a few years ago who has maybe not had the best couple of years progress wise, still only 20 years old so still time for him, i just don't see it being this season or at all.
Smith is still going to be here so how is it a risk? When new goalie comes in if he performs better he has the gloves, if not he is understudy to Smith? We need to be signing someone who can challenge Smith then its up to them both to fight it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
The fact that we need to sign a new goalkeeper isn’t debatable. We have no number 2 right now.
The only question is who starts with the gloves next season. Smith has done nothing at all to warrant being dropped, however Sallinger is too good a keeper on the face of things to come in as a number 2 and Bournemouth presumably won’t be keen on loaning out Paulsen to us only for him not to play.
Tough one for Gray to manage.
I don’t think it’s unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
Where do we draw the line on it? If we got offered the chance to sign Courtois, does Smith just keep the gloves because he done well last season? Obviously that’s an extreme example, but the same principles will be used for any other new goalie we sign. If Gray deems them to be a better goalkeeper then they’ll be into the side. That’s not unfair on Smith, he just has to work hard, be ready and take any opportunity that may come his way going forward. Same goes for every player in every position.
The club should, and will, always look to improve. If that means players who have done well are replaced by players we deem could be even better then so be it, that’s football.
Last time we had 2 quality keepers in the squad was Marciano and Bogdan.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC93
Would be brilliant to have another two as injuries happen.
It’s a tricky one re smith as he seems to have such a good understanding with the defence. Perhaps a really good communicator/organised?
Especially when you see the goals conceding under Bursik.
So whoever comes in not only needs to be a good shot stopped, they need to show the other side of it to.
The togetherness and attitude of the keeper and defence was vital last season
I think we are not wanting to take risks anywhere .Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Everything we read from MM and gray is whoever we sign must be better than we already have.
It's up to those here now to keep playing to there best level or they will loose there place.
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Certainly is an extreme example as we are talking about a player levels above one of our own , as it is we are talking about Paulsen who is a good young keeper currently learning/ developing by playing in a league which is probably a level or two below our own league , wither he’s levels above Smith I don’t know but what I do know is the keeper we have has been * consistently good and is one of the best in our league .Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
I don’t think it will be Paulsen we will sign as it’s not one that makes sense to me , I'd be really surprised if we do in fairness . I think there’s probably more chance it will be Sallinger who like Smith did when Bursik was NO 1 will have to bide his time as Smith has the gloves because he’s been …. * 👍
If, and it is an if obviously, we sign a goalie for a relatively large 6 figure fee (as is rumoured in his case) he wouldn’t be coming in to sit on the bench. He’d be in the team IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
An awful lot of time being spent discussing who the goalie might be lol...
I’d be reluctant to see Smith replaced unless it’s for someone who is levels above.
Keepers are about so much more than saving shots, their understanding with their defence and distribution are huge parts of their game and are two things I think Smith did really well last season.
Weirdly I didn’t really see him make that many saves in a game until the Rangers match where he made 5 or 6 real quality stops.
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Originally Posted by Springbank
Love this :greengrin
Where are you hearing that. I have been scouring the media for some Hibs news without success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stokesy's on fire
He’d be coming in to challenge Smith for the No.1 jersey . If it is him I honestly don’t think just because we paid a 6 figure fee that would guarantee him a starting place in the new season . Surprised how many want to see Smith replaced as No.1 considering his consistently good performance since taking over from Bursik who once moved for 6 figures at one time too .Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
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Dwight Gayle puts that in the cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tambo
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Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman
Danny Swanson is at Cowdenbeath, why would we be in for him
I assumed it was some sort of attempt at humour?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman
He didn't say no because he couldn't stop laughing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by badabing67
Not currently available for matchesQuote:
Originally Posted by TrinityHFC
Dangerous cross on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrinityHFC
Hope he is not a goalie as he is not great with crosses.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrinityHFC
If you don’t know how good Paulsen is then I’d suggest it’s silly to insist Smith keeps the gloves regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
I want whoever’s our best keeper at the start of next season to have the gloves. Whether that’s Smith, Paulsen or Sallinger, it’s not about being fair to anyone, it’s about getting the best team on the pitch. The exact same is the case for every other position.
Does this argument that players who don’t let us down deserve to start the next season for fairness sake apply to all positions? If so, we probably shouldn’t have any summer signings starting games at the beginning of next season?
Can't play on Sunday's unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrinityHFC
He's Jewish :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC93
Jordan Smith has pulled off a few better than that over the past couple of months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tambo
That’ll be Saturdays out the box then. Lets hope we make the group stages so he can save us on Sundays.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
It's about timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Stokesy's on fire
Surely this is the summer we sign Jamie Cuerton?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHODAN
I don’t know how good he is that’s true though the league he’s in I wouldn’t think he’s at the levels above Smith as Courtois is , he’s probably a good young keeper that has a lot of potential but needs games in order to improve yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
I think Smith has earned the right to stay No.1 for the start of the new season because he’s consistently been good with one of the highest save percentages in the league.
As to your last bit about applying to all positions . I think a goalkeeper position is entirely different in he’s not subbed regularly as an outfield player is and in most cases teams tend to stick to a good one which is exactly what we have got now …
https://fbref.com/en/comps/40/keeper...miership-Stats
If it’s not broken then …..
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Originally Posted by Billy Bunter 07
Don’t you mean Jordi Cruyff? Saw him on the bus heading towards ER.
Watched the Paulson highlight reel and there were a lot of saves where the ball was pushed into a dangerous area which would likely be punished in our league. Didn't look great if I'm being honest, we need more than a simple shot stopper.
He'd be a nailed on starter thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Dublin07
I’m a tad concerned if it’s another young relatively inexperienced goalie where we are saving a few quid
I am hoping for an established number 1 who is here to battle it out and take the shirt of smith.
He has had two full seasons in the A league where he had played very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
Just as well these comments aren't aimed at the prophet Mohammed. This site would be closed down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
It wouldn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman
Surely Sallinger is the best option. He would be our own player and by all accounts relatively inexpensive.
The best option is the option that contributes to us winning the most football matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonHFC
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
It really is that simple.
We have a keeper who has a relationship and understanding with the core of the team and the way it plays. Anyone we bring in shouldn't immediately be displacing that
St Johnstone closing in on a deal for Gullan.
Obviously but how are you going to know that before either keeper comes in?Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Do you know if Messi is better than Dwight Gayle?Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonHFC
There are loads of ways to objectively assess players ahead of signing them.
Are we not looking at upgrading anyone in the core of the team now? Which players form part of the core?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter
Pedant alert.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Goalkeeper is a specialist position that takes time for the player to develop their fluency with the players around them. This board in particular writes them off after one game.
What this board does is utterly irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter
I agree but there have been players in the past we have recruited who didn't fit or simply were not good enough. Including some recent goalkeepersQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Not sure if it matters if we have 5 goalkeepers, you need quality in depth in different positions.
Part of the reason we finished 3rd this year, is because we had strength in numbers across all areas of the pitch... if a new goalkeeper or 2 are brought in, I hope they all displace each other, just as we seen across near enough our whole squad this season.
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2...ist-confirmed/
Still in discussion with Rocky and Hoilett
Hibs announce their retain / release list
No surprise
In duscussions still
Rocky and Hoilett
It could just be "we've offered him something and it's up to him" knowing full well he isn't going to take us up on it. But I guess it's a slightly more optimistic update on Rocky than it just being he's turned down a new contract and will leave. So perhaps still a chance for him to stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElginHibbie
Not really a surprise for the rest of it though.
Id want better players in all positions in the team. Very happy for a talented keeper to come in and provide competition and something for Smith to think about, but id say its not where we should be spending the bulk of our limited budget. Because our first choice keeper at the moment is clearly a top performer.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
The whole Reuben McAllister signing was pretty bizarre wasn't it?
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Especially when Fabrizio Romano was tweeting about it. Whenever I seen him, always thought he deserved a chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
Can’t believe Allan Delferrière still has two years left on his contract. Wild that more than one person thought that was a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElginHibbie
Allan Delferriere and the 4 year deal reaping rewards :greengrin
Where is Jamie McGrath? Is it just that his contract with Hibs doesn’t start until later.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElginHibbie
He does only have one year left on his deal, at leastQuote:
Originally Posted by HFC93
It's just the list of retained players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston7
Only really concerns the end of this seasons squads updated status.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston7
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman
Signed because his old boy was assistant at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
22 senior players on the retained list in discussions with 2 more and JM still to be added . That could take our squad to 25 with no departures.
Obviously players will move on, Vente for example.
I wonder how many more will be moved on and what size of squad we will have.
I might be misremembering things, but I was under the impression that folk who had seen him play said he looked a decent player for that age?Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs