Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

If we don't fully open now then when.

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That was the question I was asking. How many deaths are acceptable?

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Few things. Firstly the daily death rate in 171 in the uk, with an estimate of 65% being of covid.

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According to ONS figures, the average daily death rate in the UK for the last four weeks, measured as those who have Covid as cause of death on their death certificate, is 206.

I have no idea where the "65% of Covid" figure comes from or what you are implying by mentioning it.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

I've genuinely not sure what restrictions there are in pubs now. Can dance in clubs ect, is it masks when going in?

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Masks worn except sitting down, eating or drinking. Drinking at the bar is allowed but is discouraged in areas which are likely to create "pinch points".

Contact details must be taken of everyone in attendance for track and trace purposes.

Face coverings not required if singing at a karaoke as you're considered to be a performer and exemptions apply to performers as long as they maintain a 1 metre distance from others.

Also exempt if you're dancing as it's classed as exercise where exemptions also apply.

Pub quizzes and dominoes allowed as long as good practice is followed.

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Originally Posted by grunt

According to ONS figures, the average daily death rate in the UK for the last four weeks, measured as those who have Covid as cause of death on their death certificate, is 206.

I have no idea where the "65% of Covid" figure comes from or what you are implying by mentioning it.

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I'm assuming it's the distinction being made between those who died because of Covid-19 and those who died with it - i.e. died from some other cause but just happened to have Covid-19 at the time of their death.

I have no idea if the 65% figure's correct or not but I'm assuming that's what it was in reference to.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Masks worn except sitting down, eating or drinking. Drinking at the bar is allowed but is discouraged in areas which are likely to create "pinch points".

Contact details must be taken of everyone in attendance for track and trace purposes.

Face coverings not required if singing at a karaoke as you're considered to be a performer and exemptions apply to performers as long as they maintain a 1 metre distance from others.

Also exempt if you're dancing as it's classed as exercise where exemptions also apply.

Pub quizzes and dominoes allowed as long as good practice is followed.

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Not many of these restrictions being applied anywhere these days in my experience.

Evil swine

BBC News - New Zealand plays Barry Manilow to repel parliament protesters
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-60362529

The pubs I've been in recently id say just about everyone acts as before covid. No bars are taking details, everyone crowds round the bar and a minority of people bother to put a mask on when going to the toilet.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

The pubs I've been in recently id say just about everyone acts as before covid. No bars are taking details, everyone crowds round the bar and a minority of people bother to put a mask on when going to the toilet.

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Was at Cosmos last week and you had to wear mask when going to the toilet and to the buffet.

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Originally Posted by grunt

According to ONS figures, the average daily death rate in the UK for the last four weeks, measured as those who have Covid as cause of death on their death certificate, is 206.

I have no idea where the "65% of Covid" figure comes from or what you are implying by mentioning it.

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The 7 day average of deaths is what I was going by as 4 weeks is too long a parameter, especially as it's dropped quite a bit the last week.

And the 65 of covid is as sdg says the of or with. Its been above 90% of covid the whole pandemic before boosters and especially Omicron. Its like I read 48% of hospitalisations in England are now of covid, a huge drop from December. Although all covid hospitalisations cause problems due to isolation ect

Tested positive yesterday, been feeling rough since Tuesday and stayed off work anyway despite the negative tests.

Would describe how I felt on Tuesday and Wednesday as I did after my vaccines. Freezing cold, shivers, sore body, really heavy cold. Yesterday I felt a bit better but tested positive. Today better still and still positive.

First time, to my knowledge, that I've had it and despite it being hardly life threatening, I'm in no rush to get it again.

I reckon I've gotten it Murrayfield last weekend or on the tram after as despite being one of the few in a mask, it was rammed.

Thankfully I haven't done anything all week cos I felt too ill despite the negative tests.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

The pubs I've been in recently id say just about everyone acts as before covid. No bars are taking details, everyone crowds round the bar and a minority of people bother to put a mask on when going to the toilet.

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Most have the trace QR code before entering not that anyone scans it.

Plans to lift Covid restrictions in England should not "force the hand" of the Scottish government to change its own virus strategy, Humza Yousaf says.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said self-isolation could end south of the border this month.

But Scotland's health secretary warned that the public health advice recommended a more cautious approach.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60366858

Daily Scottish update;

5,301 new cases of COVID-19 reported since yesterday
Decrease of 3 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday - 885
Decrease of 2 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday - 20
4,427,052 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 958 people since yesterday
4,142,683 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 970 people since yesterday
3,349,054 people have now received a booster vaccination - 4,503 people since yesterday
No deaths registered since yesterday

Mrs Colr tested positive yesterday.

I think the latest guidance here is that we should throw a party.

41,270 cases and 52 deaths registered in the UK today.

The Cook Islands is bracing for its first coronavirus cases after a visitor to the country tested positive.

In a video posted on Facebook, Prime Minister Mark Brown said it is likely the person was infectious while on the islands "and further likely that the virus is in our community".

He warned that the country's high vaccination rate may mean "silent transmission" among citizens.

The Pacific archipelago has never had community transmission of cases.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-60365647

2 and a half weeks after England ended all restrictions, cases and hospital admissions dropping pretty fast

Hugo Gye@HugoGye·4h
41,270 covid cases reported in UK today - lowest daily figure since November

The daily number of people newly hospitalised with covid in England has dropped below 1,000 for the first time in eight weeks

Hugo Gye@HugoGye·4hAnd the number of deaths is dropping like a stone for reasons I can't obviously explain
1253 this week 1695 last

https://apple.news/AxDPKe6dYQCyYL8tKWEgoNA

A pretty interesting article about the Swedish approach.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

The pubs I've been in recently id say just about everyone acts as before covid. No bars are taking details, everyone crowds round the bar and a minority of people bother to put a mask on when going to the toilet.

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I was in the Red Squirrel for some lunch with Mrs Sylar today, and I had to scan the QR code upon entry, we wore our mask to the toilets and then leaving again. Everyone else who was in the bar also wore masks when up and about. I was also in a bar in Glasgow (Shilling Brewing Company) on Friday evening after work and it was the same - it was mobbed, but everyone was at a table and wore masks going up to the bar and toilet.

The train back from Glasgow on Friday night was another story...

Given the amount of restrictions in Scotland how is it not way ahead of England? In terms of numbers?

There is zero restrictions here, anywhere. I have not seen a mask for weeks.

Has the caution approach worked? It just feels odd reading the restrictions are still ongoing and it's a different world down here.

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Originally Posted by Jack

I suspect many of the cautious people will look at a daily death rate of more that 300 and think its a bit early to drop our guard.

It doesn't matter if they're vaccinated or not it's 300 people. While I personally probably have less sympathy with the unvaccinated they still leave behind family and friends to mourn their passing.

Not getting at you, honest :-)

For those that say all restrictions should be lifted is 1,2,300+ deaths a day an acceptable level? Should it be higher? Or lower?

How many people need to die each day before it becomes an acceptable level that you'd be prepared live with for a normal life?

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The thing with the daily death rate is that everyone knows that people who die within 28 days of having had Covid isn’t comparable to the statistics for people who died whereby Covid was the primary cause of death. Maybe it’s time we got the actual figures for deaths caused by Covid rather than the disingenuous one you mention?

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Originally Posted by HH81

Given the amount of restrictions in Scotland how is it not way ahead of England? In terms of numbers?

There is zero restrictions here, anywhere. I have not seen a mask for weeks.

Has the caution approach worked? It just feels odd reading the restrictions are still ongoing and it's a different world down here.

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The restrictions we have in place now are a complete waste of time and are having no real impact. They’re restrictions for restrictions sake. The masks have to go.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

The thing with the daily death rate is that everyone knows that people who die within 28 days of having had Covid isn’t comparable to the statistics for people who died whereby Covid was the primary cause of death. Maybe it’s time we got the actual figures for deaths caused by Covid rather than the disingenuous one you mention?

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I thought they had started providing that? At least at hospitalisation level, I'd assumed they had it for deaths also - or at least it shouldn't be too difficult to extend the data and provide that information.

I think nearer the start of the pandemic it worked the other way and people were dying due to Covid without it being recorded as such, now it seems more likely to be the other way around.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

The thing with the daily death rate is that everyone knows that people who die within 28 days of having had Covid isn’t comparable to the statistics for people who died whereby Covid was the primary cause of death. Maybe it’s time we got the actual figures for deaths caused by Covid rather than the disingenuous one you mention?

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Of course it's not but covid is still probably contributing to their early death. If there had been no covid they could have lived on average another 10 years or more.

Does it really matter if it's covid only or partly covid that is causing an early death? 100s of people are still dieing each day.

Stairway didn't answer so maybe you will tell us how many dead people each day is an acceptable figure for you to live "normally"?

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Originally Posted by Jack

Of course it's not but covid is still probably contributing to their early death. If there had been no covid they could have lived on average another 10 years or more.

Does it really matter if it's covid only or partly covid that is causing an early death? 100s of people are still dieing each day.

Stairway didn't answer so maybe you will tell us how many dead people each day is an acceptable figure for you to live "normally"?

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Your last question is very loaded and I suspect there isn't an answer you'd be happy with. What number would be acceptable to you?

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Originally Posted by Jack

Of course it's not but covid is still probably contributing to their early death. If there had been no covid they could have lived on average another 10 years or more.

Does it really matter if it's covid only or partly covid that is causing an early death? 100s of people are still dieing each day.

Stairway didn't answer so maybe you will tell us how many dead people each day is an acceptable figure for you to live "normally"?

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Who knows, that is my point.

Given that the huge bias of death stats towards those aged over 80, I think talking about early deaths and living another ten years is just a nonsense at this stage, so is putting had Covid within 28 days on death certificate stats.

I'm happy to live with a death rate that is comparable to our seasonal flu rates. What's the alternative?

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Who knows, that is my point.

Given that the huge bias of death stats towards those aged over 80, I think talking about early deaths and living another ten years is just a nonsense at this stage, so are the had Covid within 28 days stats.

I'm happy to live with a death rate that is comparable to our seasonal flu rates. What's the alternative?

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The majority of people dying of covid (or even covid contributing to them dying) wouldn’t have lived another ten years. Nowhere near it Infact.

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

The majority of people dying of covid (or even covid contributing to them dying) wouldn’t have lived another ten years. Nowhere near it Infact.

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Of course, as we move out of restriction and stop living in fear, the authorities should cease disingenuous information giving. It doesn't help anyone.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Of course, as we move out of restriction and stop leaving in fear, the authorities should cease disingenuous information giving. It doesn't help anyone.

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