Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I absolutely love how the article explains what Castle Greyskull is. :faf:

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That's the kind of thing that happens when you move up to tick the next age box in surveys Matty ;)

Then you find yourself agreeing with those "nostalgia" emails: You know your a 70s/80s child when...

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Originally Posted by lucky

Is it any worse than the cop showing 5-1 with hands to the yams at the recent derby game? Enough Hibbies got wound up over that .

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Originally Posted by Beefster

That was my first thought. Our faux outrage managed to help get a policeman suspended so I'm not sure we should be throwing stones from our glass house.

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I would suggest it is slightly different, but can see your point.

One is an announcer at a game that does not involve the club he is having a wee joke at, no one really at the game was going to take offence and it was probably word of mouth that it got back to those involved with Sevco.

The other is an officer of the law, making gestures at the home of the club he is having a joke at, possibly inciting trouble here. If this plod had done that at Swinie in a game v Dundee say, would it really have had the same affect? doubt anybody would have bothered their backside about it.

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Originally Posted by Hiberlin

Yep, we're a nation of sour puss'. The grey men have taken over and all colour is being squeezed out of life. As I recall that started in Wallyford :-)

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Jeezo, how many Wallyfordians are on this forum? Maybe we should create a sub-forum just for us :greengrin

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Originally Posted by givescotlandfreedom

Why does the article talk about Rangers? They don't exist anymore.

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Yes they do " The Rangers Football Club " is the official name, all the y did was add the "The"

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Originally Posted by jc1

Yes they do " The Rangers Football Club " is the official name, all the y did was add the "The"

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Calling them 'sevco' is not a crime ...... It's merely a healthy lack of respect which they haven't earned yet.

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

To be fair, its a bit ironic considering some of the moaning on here regarding the yam security guard who ended up getting suspended. That was equally as petty IMO.

Humour seems to be dying more and more in the game these days, its a real shame.

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It's pathetic.

It's the same when a player gestures to the fans everyone starts greeting like bairns.

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Originally Posted by fatbloke

What a disgusting wee country we are turning into:boo hoo:

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Seriously?

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Calling them 'sevco' is not a crime ...... It's merely a healthy lack of respect which they haven't earned yet.

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I never said it was, I use the name "sevco" all the time, was just answering the guys question as to why the article uses Rangers. Their old name of Glasgow Rangers was changed to The Rangers, dropping the " Glasgow".

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Originally Posted by givescotlandfreedom

Why does the article talk about Rangers? They don't exist anymore.

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They do, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter

The fairly obvious difference is that Rangers weren't playing against Falkirk on Saturday. Every Hun that has complained must have heard about this second hand.

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Just like every outraged Hibs fans who saw the cops gesture second hand then!

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Good point.

My only reservation would be that further shares may have been issued since that date.

(I can't remember... do you still have to register share issues between Annual Returns? If so, and shares have been issued, maybe the issue hasn't been registered yet, or perhaps CH haven't published it.)

One also wonders how much TRFC Ltd. paid Sevco 5088 for the assets, and how that was financed? :cb

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CWG, I have sent you a PM.

I have written an article on The Rangers for an new online football fanzine and would appreciate an expert eye giving it the once over to ensure it's accurate

Cheers

So there's no banter allowed in football anymore? The easily offended in the football grounds will squeeze the last bit of fun out of the game.

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

CWG, I have sent you a PM.

I have written an article on The Rangers for an new online football fanzine and would appreciate an expert eye giving it the once over to ensure it's accurate

Cheers

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Ooyah.... let me check that my Professional Indemnity Insurance is up to date first..... :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

So there's no banter allowed in football anymore? The easily offended in the football grounds will squeeze the last bit of fun out of the game.

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Would be great if all Stadium announcers referred to them as Sevco this weekend in solidarity.

Sort of an "I'm Sparticus" moment, over tannoy.

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Difference is he is an announcer, who clearly supports Falkirk and works to an audience.

A copper, is a copper. They need to be above this. That said, a few coppers having a laugh with fans of the team he supports should not have been taken too seriously.

Anyone know any Hibby coppers?

J

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Plenty :wink:

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Ooyah.... let me check that my Professional Indemnity Insurance is up to date first..... :greengrin

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Cheers, have emailed it, it's a fairly simple version of events so shouldn't be contentious but just wanted to check :)

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Originally Posted by VickMackie

It's pathetic.

It's the same when a player gestures to the fans everyone starts greeting like bairns.

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:agree:

It's give and take.

I like to see players having a bit of harmless banter with the fans. It noises them up and creates a better atmosphere.

With the way the rules are set up these days, it seems that players can't have any association with the fans whatsoever. They aren't even aloud to celebrate with their own fans!

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Originally Posted by H18SVG

Perhaps a template sent to as many fans websites with a link to a Falkirk contact, get people to counter the complaints.

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Perhaps it should suggest that non Sevco fans might not be back if they discipline the guy for, basically, doing his job. Put the suggestion on other clubs meassage boards. :dunno:

I think the Falkirk announcer should be transferred to Hibs, would love it if he were to say the same at E/R.

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

Seriously?

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Aye, we whine about silly we things like cops and announcers yet tolerate crime etc in our communities and say nowt. Disgusting mibbe a bit strong but ridiculous oh definitely.

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Originally Posted by Hiberlin

Yep, we're a nation of sour puss'. The grey men have taken over and all colour is being squeezed out of life. As I recall that started in Wallyford :-)

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John McGlynn and Jim Jefferies are both Wallyford born and bred. OOPS:greengrin

Theres only a small amount of people moan about petty things like tannoy announcers or special constables making gestures, me i couldnae give a flying one, just like most others.

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Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish

Plenty :wink:

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One of them was leading the Sect43 boys astray in Leuven! ;-)

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Originally Posted by Jonnyboy

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...ibes-1-2478375

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It just goes to prove the old Chinese proverb is correct " the most easily offended are the most offensive". The so called fans of this club are unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I absolutely love how the article explains what Castle Greyskull is. :faf:

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Had to laugh completly nothing too do with the article

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Originally Posted by darrenmcintosh2

Had to laugh completly nothing too do with the article

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...and what about the comment response a few lines down:

"You sir...appear to have completely lost the plot....It looks like Rangers 1..CMS 0...Hissy fitting hoop fans are falling over themselves to lambast & insult Scotlands biggest club...world record holders...and...most famous...But 50,000 punters cant be wrong....more than every club in Britain bar Arsenal....more than the combines weekend attendances in Scotland...more than Celtic got on the opening day tainted title raiser at parkhead...face it....We are the people."

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Difference is he is an announcer, who clearly supports Falkirk and works to an audience.

A copper, is a copper. They need to be above this. That said, a few coppers having a laugh with fans of the team he supports should not have been taken too seriously.

Anyone know any Hibby coppers?

J

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I seem to remember a copper in the East pissing himself laughing at the fans singing "we are the people" to wind up the Smellies, not really on the same level as the Yam pig, but I still found it funny.

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Originally Posted by lucky

Is it any worse than the cop showing 5-1 with hands to the yams at the recent derby game? Enough Hibbies got wound up over that .

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Huge difference.

This guy is a tannoy announcer, these guys are normally supporters of the club that they work for and a few of them do a bit of radio work as well. They are well known for their quips and banter.

A police officer, on the other hand, particularly one that is on duty at the time, is supposed to be completely professional. They are there to keep the peace and ensure that the safety of the public is upheld. Making inflammatory gestures like the clown last week at Easter Road was extremely ill-advised and had the potential to cause a few problems.

I can't believe the two are even being compared to be honest.

It's absolutely ridiculous that this guy has been suspended and if it was me, I would tell them to stick their job and they couldn't suspend me because I resigned.

Seriously, if that is the worst example of misconduct that Falkirk FC has to deal with then they'll be doing well.

Oh and, by the way, I would love nothing more than if Sevco's fans were threatening a boycott of my stadium. I know we're not due to play them again for another three years (unless we get them in the cup) but is there no way that we could arrange for our announcer to throw a few insults at them so that we can get the same treatment?

Nothing would make me happier!

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but it would be a useful summary for those financially/legally illiterate:

To what extent do New Huns have laibility over the debt/tax avoidance/EBT of Old Huns? (appreciate this may be hard to know, but would appreciate a few bullet points of what we do/don't know)

Thanks in advance to anyone (anyone who knows what they are talking about :cb) who answers! :greengrin

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Originally Posted by lucky

Is it any worse than the cop showing 5-1 with hands to the yams at the recent derby game? Enough Hibbies got wound up over that .

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There is a difference between a stadium announcer and a policeman.

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Originally Posted by IndieHibby

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but it would be a useful summary for those financially/legally illiterate:

To what extent do New Huns have laibility over the debt/tax avoidance/EBT of Old Huns? (appreciate this may be hard to know, but would appreciate a few bullet points of what we do/don't know)

Thanks in advance to anyone (anyone who knows what they are talking about :cb) who answers! :greengrin

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None, basically. That debt rests with the old company.

The directors of the old company may be held personally liable if they are found to have been "wrongfully trading", but that's it. Chucky can do walking away from that one.

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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibee

Huge difference.

This guy is a tannoy announcer, these guys are normally supporters of the club that they work for and a few of them do a bit of radio work as well. They are well known for their quips and banter.

A police officer, on the other hand, particularly one that is on duty at the time, is supposed to be completely professional. They are there to keep the peace and ensure that the safety of the public is upheld. Making inflammatory gestures like the clown last week at Easter Road was extremely ill-advised and had the potential to cause a few problems.

I can't believe the two are even being compared to be honest.

It's absolutely ridiculous that this guy has been suspended and if it was me, I would tell them to stick their job and they couldn't suspend me because I resigned.

Seriously, if that is the worst example of misconduct that Falkirk FC has to deal with then they'll be doing well.

Oh and, by the way, I would love nothing more than if Sevco's fans were threatening a boycott of my stadium. I know we're not due to play them again for another three years (unless we get them in the cup) but is there no way that we could arrange for our announcer to throw a few insults at them so that we can get the same treatment?

Nothing would make me happier!

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A tannoy announcer who would know that he is not permitted in any way to broadcast anything that may be construed as derogatory to opposition fans whether they are in the stadium or not. So no more an excuse than the special constable had but they are both dropped in it by examples of over reaction from whinging fans............ pathetic!

This'll be the same club that play duelling banjo's before Dunfermline games and Gypsies Tramps and Thieves before Clyde games, they've sha* it here big time. Lost a bit of respect for them over this.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

None, basically. That debt rests with the old company.

The directors of the old company may be held personally liable if they are found to have been "wrongfully trading", but that's it. Chucky can do walking away from that one.

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Whilst still claiming his Club have won 50 + league titles and saying he will fight to prevent any stripping of cheated title victories from his club cos his club has been punished enough !

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

None, basically. That debt rests with the old company.

The directors of the old company may be held personally liable if they are found to have been "wrongfully trading", but that's it. Chucky can do walking away from that one.

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This was correct until Chuckie did his dirty deal with Regan at the SFA.

Basically, New Huns is a new club, it bought the assets of the old club including its branding etc but it is not inherently liable for any of the debt or any punishments etc.

However, the SFA have bent their rule book to pretend that a club's identity can survive its death. The Chuck/Regan deal allows New Huns to assume some of the identity of Old Huns in exchange for some of the old club's liabilities. So, as I understand it, in exchange for being allowed to pretend to be Old Huns and therefore assume their membership of the SFA, New Huns have agreed to take on:

- the outstanding punishments of Old Huns, ie. £160K fine and a 1 year transfer embargo (although the start was delayed to effectively neuter the punishment).

- any future punishments arising from the SPL investigation of payments made outside registered contracts by Old Huns. I expect they will throw the toys out of the pram if there actually are any meaningful punishments though.

- "football debts", ie. the Lee Wallace money to Hearts, gate money owed to Celtic and D Utd. Not sure if it was just the debts owed to SFA members or whether Rapid Vienna etc will get their money as well.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

This was correct until Chuckie did his dirty deal with Regan at the SFA.

Basically, New Huns is a new club, it bought the assets of the old club including its branding etc but it is not inherently liable for any of the debt or any punishments etc.

However, the SFA have bent their rule book to pretend that a club's identity can survive its death. The Chuck/Regan deal allows New Huns to assume some of the identity of Old Huns in exchange for some of the old club's liabilities. So, as I understand it, in exchange for being allowed to pretend to be Old Huns and therefore assume their membership of the SFA, New Huns have agreed to take on:

- the outstanding punishments of Old Huns, ie. £160K fine and a 1 year transfer embargo (although the start was delayed to effectively neuter the punishment).

- any future punishments arising from the SPL investigation of payments made outside registered contracts by Old Huns. I expect they will throw the toys out of the pram if there actually are any meaningful punishments though.

- "football debts", ie. the Lee Wallace money to Hearts, gate money owed to Celtic and D Utd. Not sure if it was just the debts owed to SFA members or whether Rapid Vienna etc will get their money as well.

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Whilst all that is correct, that wasn't the question.

The question was "To what extent do New Huns have laibility over the debt/tax avoidance/EBT of Old Huns?" That stays with the OldHun.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Whilst all that is correct, that wasn't the question.

The question was "To what extent do New Huns have laibility over the debt/tax avoidance/EBT of Old Huns?" That stays with the OldHun.

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Nice deflect there, Mr Croppers!:smokin

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Whilst all that is correct, that wasn't the question.

The question was "To what extent do New Huns have laibility over the debt/tax avoidance/EBT of Old Huns?" That stays with the OldHun.

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True. It would be boring if we all stuck to just answering the question as asked though. :wink:

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

This was correct until Chuckie did his dirty deal with Regan at the SFA.

Basically, New Huns is a new club, it bought the assets of the old club including its branding etc but it is not inherently liable for any of the debt or any punishments etc.

However, the SFA have bent their rule book to pretend that a club's identity can survive its death. The Chuck/Regan deal allows New Huns to assume some of the identity of Old Huns in exchange for some of the old club's liabilities. So, as I understand it, in exchange for being allowed to pretend to be Old Huns and therefore assume their membership of the SFA, New Huns have agreed to take on:

- the outstanding punishments of Old Huns, ie. £160K fine and a 1 year transfer embargo (although the start was delayed to effectively neuter the punishment).

- any future punishments arising from the SPL investigation of payments made outside registered contracts by Old Huns. I expect they will throw the toys out of the pram if there actually are any meaningful punishments though.

- "football debts", ie. the Lee Wallace money to Hearts, gate money owed to Celtic and D Utd. Not sure if it was just the debts owed to SFA members or whether Rapid Vienna etc will get their money as well.

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A club's identity doesn't sit in legal land, it sits in the hearts and minds of the supporters - the huns are what they are and the club will never die.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

True. It would be boring if we all stuck to just answering the question as asked though. :wink:

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It might have cleared this whole freaking mess up months ago......


What a scary thought. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

A club's identity doesn't sit in legal land, it sits in the hearts and minds of the supporters - the huns are what they are and the club will never die.

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That depends what you mean by identity. Airdrie Utd have the identity of Airdrieonians by your definition but the identity of the former Clydebank FC in the eyes of the football authorities. Both are correct in their own way.

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

A tannoy announcer who would know that he is not permitted in any way to broadcast anything that may be construed as derogatory to opposition fans whether they are in the stadium or not. So no more an excuse than the special constable had but they are both dropped in it by examples of over reaction from whinging fans............ pathetic!

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I seem to remember the announcer at Rugby Park had a bit of banter with the Hibs fans when we were there a few years ago and it was all good natured. There were no calls to sack him or suspend him or hold any kind of inquiry into his conduct.

Seriously, if this guy had been really controversial and referred to them as the "Queen's XI" or the "Sons of William" or any other kind of derogatory name that many people have for Sevco and their Rangers predecessors then I could fully understand the anger towards this guy.

All he's done is refer to them by the name of the company that Charles Green specifically set up so that he could buy the new company. It's hardly something that's worthy of a suspension and, in my opinion, it is different from the incident with the police officer last week for the reasons I've already outlined.

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Originally Posted by jc1

I never said it was, I use the name "sevco" all the time, was just answering the guys question as to why the article uses Rangers. Their old name of Glasgow Rangers was changed to The Rangers, dropping the " Glasgow".

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:confused: Never known them as "Glasgow" Rangers.

Just thought they were Rangers Football Club ala the badge RFC.

Willing to be proved wrong though:cb

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

:confused: Never known them as "Glasgow" Rangers.

Just thought they were Rangers Football Club ala the badge RFC.

Willing to be proved wrong though:cb

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How does the song go??? :confused:

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

How does the song go??? :confused:

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Wallace Mercer six feet under:aok:

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

Wallace Mercer six feet under:aok:

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:na na:



Actually, I could (justifiably) start up a chorus of "You're no Sevco any more....".

Back on topic.

They were not "Glasgow" Rangers...Just Rangers:aok:

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

Back on topic.

They were not "Glasgow" Rangers...Just Rangers:aok:

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I think they were only really known as Glasgow Rangers in Europe, in the same way that we were known as Edinburgh Hibernians.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I think they were only really known as Glasgow Rangers in Europe, in the same way that we were known as Edinburgh Hibernians.

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Or Huns, Orcs, and Pillagers.

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

To be fair, its a bit ironic considering some of the moaning on here regarding the yam security guard who ended up getting suspended. That was equally as petty IMO.

Humour seems to be dying more and more in the game these days, its a real shame.

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I agree. Which us why PC 5-1 didnt bother me in the slightest :greengrin I used to quite like the banter with the likes of Artur Boruc.

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Oh and there's not a team like the Glasgow Rangers…
Just saying, not singing…

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I think they were only really known as Glasgow Rangers in Europe, in the same way that we were known as Edinburgh Hibernians.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I think they were only really known as Glasgow Rangers in Europe, in the same way that we were known as Edinburgh Hibernians.

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Pedant alert!

Shirley you mean Hibernian Edinburgh and Rangers Glasgow?

At least that's how the Germans refer to us and them.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

That depends what you mean by identity. Airdrie Utd have the identity of Airdrieonians by your definition but the identity of the former Clydebank FC in the eyes of the football authorities. Both are correct in their own way.

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The Clydebank aspect might have been of some import 10 years ago, but is of only historical interest now. Airdrie supporters have their club, Clydebank supporters have their club and life goes on.

The person that I think is most pathetic in all of this is Kevin Kyle. If you've got a lack of ambition and fancy a guaranteed way to have 40,000 orcs singing your name, then by all means head to Rangers.

But for a professional SPL footballer to accept a paycheque to sit on a division 3 bench all season? It's beyond belief.

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Originally Posted by Hiberlin

Pedant alert!

Shirley you mean Hibernian Edinburgh and Rangers Glasgow?

At least that's how the Germans refer to us and them.

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The Dutch referred to them as Glasgow (no mention of Rangers), and their other half as Celtic.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

The person that I think is most pathetic in all of this is Kevin Kyle. If you've got a lack of ambition and fancy a guaranteed way to have 40,000 orcs singing your name, then by all means head to Rangers.

But for a professional SPL footballer to accept a paycheque to sit on a division 3 bench all season? It's beyond belief.

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Don't accept this, he was unemployed and was tarting himself round clubs. He has his family and himself to look after. He took the best offer on the table, at his age and injury plagued career I find it impossible to slaughter him for making this decision.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

The person that I think is most pathetic in all of this is Kevin Kyle. If you've got a lack of ambition and fancy a guaranteed way to have 40,000 orcs singing your name, then by all means head to Rangers.

But for a professional SPL footballer to accept a paycheque to sit on a division 3 bench all season? It's beyond belief.

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Why? He will probably get top medical treatment. A guaranteed wage that exceeds most, Or all spl clubs, and potentially a medal.

He's finished as a top level professional. It's actually the perfect move for him.

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Originally Posted by goosefat

...and what about the comment response a few lines down:

"You sir...appear to have completely lost the plot....It looks like Rangers 1..CMS 0...Hissy fitting hoop fans are falling over themselves to lambast & insult Scotlands biggest club...world record holders...and...most famous...But 50,000 punters cant be wrong....more than every club in Britain bar Arsenal....more than the combines weekend attendances in Scotland...more than Celtic got on the opening day tainted title raiser at parkhead...face it....We are the people."

:crazy:

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As was pointed out before the match even took place, Newcastle bettered huns' attendance by 3,000 at the weekend.

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Originally Posted by linlithgowhibbie

Just my opinion mate but "DOBS" doesn't have any place on this board

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What does it stand for? (can you pm me if not appropriate?)

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

What does it stand for? (can you pm me if not appropriate?)

Thanks!

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PM :pfgwasent

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Originally Posted by linlithgowhibbie

PM :pfgwasent

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Thanks. Yes, I agree with you completely. That's a stupid thing to say. No place for it on here, as you said. Cheers

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Originally Posted by magpie1892

As was pointed out before the match even took place, Newcastle bettered huns' attendance by 3,000 at the weekend.

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And was always going to ...

For Sally to think that the Huns would better it shows his lack of knowledge when opening his mouth. I reckon you'll be hard pressed to see a league game at St James' that will actually be less than the biggest crowd at Ibrox.

Dundee United v Rangers 10/9/2011 att. 10156

Dundee United v Dundee 18/8/2012 att. 13538

Where's your armageddon now, Regan and Doncaster? :rolleyes: Muppets!

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Dundee United v Rangers 10/9/2011 att. 10156

Dundee United v Dundee 18/8/2012 att. 13538

Where's your armageddon now, Regan and Doncaster? :rolleyes: Muppets!

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Not really a fair contrast without taking into account the collateral economic benefits of having the huns in town. Where are the figures for sales of Buckfast in the Tannadeechee area on matchday?

Still muppets though. :agree:

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Dundee United v Rangers 10/9/2011 att. 10156

Dundee United v Dundee 18/8/2012 att. 13538

Where's your armageddon now, Regan and Doncaster? :rolleyes: Muppets!

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The only armageddon I can see is the one at Mordor where Rangers FC went down in a towering inferno of unpaid taxes and skullduggery. Now to be called the Sevco Franchise 2012 until they go bust again - hopefully soon, the shameless crooks. :agree:

Armageddon? Armageddon??


Armageddon sick of this talk about armageddon.

Regan gets positive

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/stewar...oost-1-2482945

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Originally Posted by Pitlochry hibee

Armageddon? Armageddon??


Armageddon sick of this talk about armageddon.

Regan gets positive

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/stewar...oost-1-2482945

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The fact this man is still in his job, is an insult to the game and embarrassment to Scotland.

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Originally Posted by Pitlochry hibee

Armageddon? Armageddon??


Armageddon sick of this talk about armageddon.

Regan gets positive

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/stewar...oost-1-2482945

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So Regan can see how a more even split of the Internationals TV money can benefit the game in Scotland .. yet continues to ignore the fact that a more even split of TV money in the domestic leagues could also benefit the game in Scotland!

Also states that talks have been ongoing, yet failed to mention this when the Rangers debacle was playing out.

How Regan, Doncaster (who has gone very quiet) and Ogilvie are still employed is beyond belief.

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Originally Posted by StevieC

So Regan can see how a more even split of the Internationals TV money can benefit the game in Scotland .. yet continues to ignore the fact that a more even split of TV money in the domestic leagues could also benefit the game in Scotland!

Also states that talks have been ongoing, yet failed to mention this when the Rangers debacle was playing out.

How Regan, Doncaster (who has gone very quiet) and Ogilvie are still employed is beyond belief.

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:agree: Spot on Mr.


For such a small post, this pretty much covers all my (and most fans, I'd think) thoughts on the state of our game.

It's such a shame that people like this are killing our game a slow death. Time for change! but how.......

Good grief the comedian's a bear!
No he's not he's a wearing a neck a tie!

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Not sure if this has been mentioned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19338654

For me, it's a sign that TRFC are doing their sums. Two wages off the books, and the chance of a fee for Edu. Wouldn't surprise me if a couple more high earners are off next week, too.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Not sure if this has been mentioned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19338654

For me, it's a sign that TRFC are doing their sums. Two wages off the books, and the chance of a fee for Edu. Wouldn't surprise me if a couple more high earners are off next week, too.

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I think they'll get rid of as many as they can of the oldco's players except for McCulloch who has a similar symbolic status to the manager's (for the moment). The players who've stayed are the ones who couldn't get the same money anywhere else (mistaken for loyalty by the fans) so further loans deals may be needed.

I reckon the oldco was losing up to £10million in seasons it didn't get into the Champions' League. The Newco's gate income is down quite a bit due to the reduced prices even if the numbers don't drop. Adding in the loss of SPL prize money, media income and a likely drop in other corporate sponsorship there's a big operating deficit to be eliminated. Up to £20 million?

I don't know how much of it has gone with the departure of the big earners (shame about the lack of transfer fees for most of them:greengrin), but it'll have taken out a fair proportion. I expect that after the transfer window is over and the season ticket money is safely banked there'll be a fairly brutal redundancy exercise to get costs down further. I don't see how it would be in the Green group's interest to have another administration so I expect them to make whatever cuts they need to in order to avoid that. Selling it to the fans will be an interesting PR challenge. Getting the support in next season might be more difficult than this.

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Originally Posted by ballengeich

I think they'll get rid of as many as they can of the oldco's players except for McCulloch who has a similar symbolic status to the manager's (for the moment). The players who've stayed are the ones who couldn't get the same money anywhere else (mistaken for loyalty by the fans) so further loans deals may be needed.

I reckon the oldco was losing up to £10million in seasons it didn't get into the Champions' League. The Newco's gate income is down quite a bit due to the reduced prices even if the numbers don't drop. Adding in the loss of SPL prize money, media income and a likely drop in other corporate sponsorship there's a big operating deficit to be eliminated. Up to £20 million?

I don't know how much of it has gone with the departure of the big earners (shame about the lack of transfer fees for most of them:greengrin), but it'll have taken out a fair proportion. I expect that after the transfer window is over and the season ticket money is safely banked there'll be a fairly brutal redundancy exercise to get costs down further. I don't see how it would be in the Green group's interest to have another administration so I expect them to make whatever cuts they need to in order to avoid that. Selling it to the fans will be an interesting PR challenge. Getting the support in next season might be more difficult than this.

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I do wonder (indeed, was thinking it when all the TUPE stuff was going on) whether some of those players were "induced" to stay... ie "stay here a couple of months. We won't be hard to deal with if a new club comes along, and you'll get a better signing-on fee from them as a result". That way TRFC get money that they wouldn't have, had the player walked when they had the right to.

Regan still planning to fast track Sevco 2012 into an spl2 next year. We should be fighting against this with every fibre. Reconstruction for the good of Sevco 2012, not the law abiding, honest clubs who pay their bills and meet the queen's taxes! Just say NO to cheats! Say NO to Sevco! :aok:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...cond-tier.html

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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby

Regan still planning to fast track Sevco 2012 into an spl2 next year. We should be fighting against this with every fibre. Reconstruction for the good of Sevco 2012, not the law abiding, honest clubs who pay their bills and meet the queen's taxes! Just say NO to cheats! Say NO to Sevco! :aok:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...cond-tier.html

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Why? Punters are not bailing out their teams in the way they said they would. :confused:

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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby

Regan still planning to fast track Sevco 2012 into an spl2 next year. We should be fighting against this with every fibre. Reconstruction for the good of Sevco 2012, not the law abiding, honest clubs who pay their bills and meet the queen's taxes! Just say NO to cheats! Say NO to Sevco! :aok:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...cond-tier.html

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:agree: And since I'm in a petty mood, we should immediately replace "Rangers" in all our songs with another team. Heard the Yam songs last night including "Rangers" and thought that was just wrong.

The best way of sticking it to Sevco is to ignore them entirely.. oh, and take the songs of the Old Co.

"We are the peepul" would be a good start.
"We hate ??????? ???????, we hate Celtic too, we hate......"

We hate Glasgow Sevco,
We hate Celtic too etc.

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Originally Posted by H18SVG

You can understand the reluctance for clubs to spend this year as going by the previous outcry by supporters, many will walk away if this happens.
Many probably have already as those in charge seem determined to kill off the game.

Still, the transfer embargo will soon kick in meaning they can't sign more players.
Of course neither will any other team as the transfer window will be closed.

Every charge against The Rangers should include Regan as an accomplice.

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Other clubs can sign free agents. Rangers can't.

More lies from Greeny.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19376352

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Originally Posted by green glory

More lies from Greeny.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19376352

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Is it lies, though?

Whilst it's true that TRFC Ltd. had 2 shares initially, both held by Green, it is possible that further shares have been issued subsequently. When I last looked, that issue hadn't been registered at Companies House, but that doesn't mean that they haven't been issued.

Given the figures quoted, it suggests that £11m has been raised from shares. Adding the season ticket sales to that, say 33k x £150, £5m, and a few transfer fees, that's working capital of about £17m or so.

Enough to keep 'em going?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Is it lies, though?

Whilst it's true that TRFC Ltd. had 2 shares initially, both held by Green, it is possible that further shares have been issued subsequently. When I last looked, that issue hadn't been registered at Companies House, but that doesn't mean that they haven't been issued.

Given the figures quoted, it suggests that £11m has been raised from shares. Adding the season ticket sales to that, say 33k x £150, £5m, and a few transfer fees, that's working capital of about £17m or so.

Enough to keep 'em going?

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Rangers running costs, whilst in the SPL, was close to £60m per season. Expenditure over the last 11 seasons, during which they werent really paying full taxes either, was £656m, of which just over half (£332m)was wages.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

Rangers running costs, whilst in the SPL, was close to £60m per season. Expenditure over the last 11 seasons, during which they werent really paying full taxes either, was £656m, of which just over half (£332m)was wages.

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Zattanaw then? :greengrin

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Zattanaw then? :greengrin

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The figures include an overspend of £85m during the same period, but dont include £49m avoided through a poorly operated EBT scam, or the VAT they collected from their fans, but didnt pay.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

The figures include an overspend of £85m during the same period, but dont include £49m avoided through a poorly operated EBT scam, or the VAT they collected from their fans, but didnt pay.

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Och, the fans' share issue will see them all right.

:rolleyes:

New progress report in from D&P

http://www.rangers.co.uk/images/stat...ust%202012.PDF

FTT result "expected in September".

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Och, the fans' share issue will see them all right.

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Of course it will. The 2004 issue went really well raising the grand total of £51,430,995 after Rangers debts hit £73.9m as of June 30th 2004. His intention was to raise £57m so Murray claimed the issue a success.

Thats the figure the Huns told us that the issue raised but Murray was left to pay for (or did he? :greengrin) £50,275,000 of the total. So only £1,155,995 was brought in externally, despite the enormous hype at the time.

Of that external total (outwith Murray/Murray Group (probably BOS, no wonder they went tits up)) only £307,530 came from new shareholders (1,263 orcs parted with their giro's)

Existing shareholders accounted for the other £848,565.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

Of course it will. The 2004 issue went really well raising the grand total of £51,430,995 after Rangers debts hit £73.9m as of June 30th 2004. His intention was to raise £57m so Murray claimed the issue a success.

Thats the figure the Huns told us that the issue raised but Murray was left to pay for (or did he? :greengrin) £50,275,000 of the total. So only £1,155,995 was brought in externally, despite the enormous hype at the time.

Of that external total (outwith Murray/Murray Group (probably BOS, no wonder they went tits up)) only £307,530 came from new shareholders (1,263 orcs parted with their giro's)

Existing shareholders accounted for the other £848,565.

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And that 50.275m came direct from Skinty's pals in Bank of Scotland, albeit via a Murray Group account. The pals that gave him the money to buy the Orcs in 88. Sweet eh? And Labour fuds gave him a knighthood :confused:

It is nearly 45 years since the fampus cup clash of the two Rangers in Scottish football.

Then Jock Wallace's Rangers beat the bigots from Ibrox 1-0.

To paraphrase Alan Partridge, Sevco are the team that Rangers could have gone on to become!

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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby

And that 50.275m came direct from Skinty's pals in Bank of Scotland, albeit via a Murray Group account. The pals that gave him the money to buy the Orcs in 88. Sweet eh? And Labour fuds gave him a knighthood :confused:

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To be fair the money is still probably owed by Murray Group so the BOS, technically, have not lost the money..............................yet.

Lee Wallace was in my gym this morning. Looks even more gormless up close.

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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby

And that 50.275m came direct from Skinty's pals in Bank of Scotland, albeit via a Murray Group account. The pals that gave him the money to buy the Orcs in 88. Sweet eh? And Labour fuds gave him a knighthood :confused:

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Who from BoS received a knighthood?

You are obviously thinking of him from the RBS.

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Who from BoS received a knighthood?

You are obviously thinking of him from the RBS.

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Think hes on about Murray :agree:

The natives on FF are getting restless over the way things are going. McCoist's lack of ability is starting to outweigh his blind loyalty and Boccanegra is being pilloried for wearing green and white boots on Saturday.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

The natives on FF are getting restless over the way things are going. McCoist's lack of ability is starting to outweigh his blind loyalty and Boccanegra is being pilloried for wearing green and white boots on Saturday.

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So good that, in spite of all the turmoil their two clubs have been through so far, huns have kept a firm mental hold on what's important. :agree:

What i found quite bizarre was Fat Sally saying he was so mortified by the result yesterday that he is going to go out and buy some more players before the window closes. Personally i was be more ashamed at myself at not being able to put out a team capable of beating p/t players.

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What i found quite bizarre was Fat Sally saying he was so mortified by the result yesterday that he is going to go out and buy some more players before the window closes. Personally i was be more ashamed at myself at not being able to put out a team capable of beating p/t players.

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Thats what I was just thinking, just read Sally saying he wanted more players. He's a plum.

It's sort of like putting an eejit in the best F1 car to race against a group of lads on on bmx's. Then when you lose the race cos you're a fat incompetant idiot who cant get any sort of performance out of the car, you complain that it's because you need a new engine.

His tactical genius at the weekend seemed to be 'let's swap the wingers over to play on the opposite sides'. I used to do that on Champ Man 98! I didnt think real life footie management was so simple.

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Thats what I was just thinking, just read Sally saying he wanted more players. He's a plum.

It's sort of like putting an eejit in the best F1 car to race against a group of lads on on bmx's. Then when you lose the race cos you're a fat incompetant idiot who cant get any sort of performance out of the car, you complain that it's because you need a new engine.

His tactical genius at the weekend seemed to be 'let's swap the wingers over to play on the opposite sides'. I used to do that on Champ Man 98! I didnt think real life footie management was so simple.

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Just had a gander over on Hunmedia and there are some on their slating his tactical nous. A big complaint being made is one we have all been used to up until recently...playing players out of position. They lined up with 3 CB's and a LB (in RB slot) on Sunday.

The Berwick goal that Tumilty chopped off really does stink. Imagine the howling mad dog hordes if that had been at the other end, f*nian, papal conspiracy's etc... Utter Sevco sc um. I hope Sally signs more duds to go with the ones he has, seriously bad players all of them. I also hope the guys on huge money like McCulloch don't get moves. The fact they rely on a corrupt decision to get a point against a team of window cleaners tells you all you need to know about Sally and his duds. :agree:

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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah

Just had a gander over on Hunmedia and there are some on their slating his tactical nous. A big complaint being made is one we have all been used to up until recently...playing players out of position. They lined up with 3 CB's and a LB (in RB slot) on Sunday.

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Thing is, Sevco should be able to play 10 strikers, or 10 right backs, and still win these games comfortably

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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby

The Berwick goal that Tumilty chopped off really does stink. Imagine the howling mad dog hordes if that had been at the other end, f*nian, papal conspiracy's etc... Utter Sevco sc um. I hope Sally signs more duds to go with the ones he has, seriously bad players all of them. I also hope the guys on huge money like McCulloch don't get moves. The fact they rely on a corrupt decision to get a point against a team of window cleaners tells you all you need to know about Sally and his duds. :agree:

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Shocking decision. :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjCTm2niL-A