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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

And Centre. Once you've gone so Left, everything is Right.

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Except the world's political narrative has shifted exponentially right over the last decade.

It's a bizarre argument to suggest otherwise. Even those on the right admit it when they gleefully point to the success of the right in France, the US, Italy, Netherlands etc etc. When people genuinely tried to argue someone like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris were a socialist then you can't seriously claim the narrative has slipped left. They are about as socialist as Mrs Thatcher was.

It's certainly a good way to stoke a grievance culture about woke pinkos and lefties but the reality is the governance of the world has and continues to shift to the right.

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Originally Posted by Liam6270

Bluesky will be full of soft furnishings and whale music to keep all the sensitive wee souls safe from the big bad right wingers on X

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😂😂😂😂

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Originally Posted by He's here!

Pretty much.

It's a platform for people who don't want to engage with others who don't share the same views as them.

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Spot on

Feel almost a sense of comfort that a couple of posters who i almost without fail disagree with about anything to do with Hibs appear to be the polar opposite of me in this thread too.

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Originally Posted by SHODAN

It's Twitter except not an open harassment forum for marginalised people. If that's what you think an echo chamber is then sure, it is one. :dunno:

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Sounds awfully dull😂

People are leaving X because of people sharing views to the right of theirs

They are leaving because of people sharing they want lower taxes?

LOL no...no not those views

So....deregulation?

Haha no not those views either

Which views, exactly?

Oh, you know the ones

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Except the world's political narrative has shifted exponentially right over the last decade.

It's a bizarre argument to suggest otherwise. Even those on the right admit it when they gleefully point to the success of the right in France, the US, Italy, Netherlands etc etc. When people genuinely tried to argue someone like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris were a socialist then you can't seriously claim the narrative has slipped left. They are about as socialist as Mrs Thatcher was.

It's certainly a good way to stoke a grievance culture about woke pinkos and lefties but the reality is the governance of the world has and continues to shift to the right.

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I’m not seeing this at all.

The Scottish Gov happily describes itself as being progressive, and can in no way be described as being right-leaning.

I like twitter and even the for you tab, it's a total car crash, one minute I'm getting posts from escorts in Adelaide and the next it's cats, you never know what you are going to get, it's russian roulette, I'm cool with that

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Regardless of the topic it's just groups of people reaffirming their belief that they hold the only valid viewpoint. If Bluesky has tipped too far in the other direction then that's a shame as any echo chamber is undesirable but X is bordering on unreadable now. I've always enjoyed reading opinions I don't agree with and arguing against them. It's ceases to be enjoyable when there is no desire to actively engage in debate with an open mind though, no desire to be open to changing one's mind and when facts cease to matter as opinion is seen as an adequate replacement and that is what X has become.

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There are too many people either unwilling or unable to engage in Critical Thinking (on every side, in every culture).

This lack of listening and understanding of opposing views and shutting yourself off from them is very dangerous. This is propagated on every social media platform and most worrying, the Main Stream Media. People believe what they read, and regurgitate it without question - they have been told to trust those in power and the media - and trust the science (science is the new religion!). Instead they should be questioning everything - trust nothing. Even the BBC (haha!) That means listening and reading everything you can, even if you don't like it or believe it.

Doing so will form better opinions and find ones-self, like the majority of others, sitting down the centre. But we've being made to believe that everybody is either Far Left (woke) or Far Right (Nazi). It almost feels like there is an agenda deliberately being stoked......

At least X promotes free speech, which is becoming a rarity in other media/art. Shut off free speech and you are living in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. Khmer Rouge's Cambodia, Chairman Mao's China or Kier Starmer's Britain.

Note: I am not, and never have been, nor will ever be a member of social media (except IRC back in the day) and LinkedIn (and even that is going to the dogs).

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Originally Posted by flash

Feel almost a sense of comfort that a couple of posters who i almost without fail disagree with about anything to do with Hibs appear to be the polar opposite of me in this thread too.

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Haha. Well done.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I’m not seeing this at all.

The Scottish Gov happily describes itself as being progressive, and can in no way be described as being right-leaning.

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I wasn't referring specifically to Scotland and our wishy washy centrist pretendy government. In a wider global sense, which is what I clearly referenced, my point is accurate.

I don't get why people get so angry or upset about being described as right wing anyway. If that's people's views then why not just own them? If someone called me a leftie or a socialist or another variant thereof then I'd accept it as the fact it is; I'd go as far as to say I'm quite proud of the fact. Yet it's almost like being described as right wing is anathema to some people despite their own desperation to distance themselves from anything moderately left of centre.

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Originally Posted by flash

Feel almost a sense of comfort that a couple of posters who i almost without fail disagree with about anything to do with Hibs appear to be the polar opposite of me in this thread too.

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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

There are too many people either unwilling or unable to engage in Critical Thinking (on every side, in every culture).

This lack of listening and understanding of opposing views and shutting yourself off from them is very dangerous. This is propagated on every social media platform and most worrying, the Main Stream Media. People believe what they read, and regurgitate it without question - they have been told to trust those in power and the media - and trust the science (science is the new religion!). Instead they should be questioning everything - trust nothing. Even the BBC (haha!) That means listening and reading everything you can, even if you don't like it or believe it.

Doing so will form better opinions and find ones-self, like the majority of others, sitting down the centre. But we've being made to believe that everybody is either Far Left (woke) or Far Right (Nazi). It almost feels like there is an agenda deliberately being stoked......

At least X promotes free speech, which is becoming a rarity in other media/art. Shut off free speech and you are living in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. Khmer Rouge's Cambodia, Chairman Mao's China or Kier Starmer's Britain.

Note: I am not, and never have been, nor will ever be a member of social media (except IRC back in the day) and LinkedIn (and even that is going to the dogs).

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Here you go, mate. Get stuck in:

https://scholar.google.com/

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Except the world's political narrative has shifted exponentially right over the last decade.

It's a bizarre argument to suggest otherwise. Even those on the right admit it when they gleefully point to the success of the right in France, the US, Italy, Netherlands etc etc. When people genuinely tried to argue someone like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris were a socialist then you can't seriously claim the narrative has slipped left. They are about as socialist as Mrs Thatcher was.

It's certainly a good way to stoke a grievance culture about woke pinkos and lefties but the reality is the governance of the world has and continues to shift to the right.

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I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying, and I never argued against it.

The world is indeed moving right, as it had moved left previously, and it'll move left again, then right again, etc. It's politics.

What is troubling is the extreme polarisation that is being constructed in media platforms which are making people more left/right, when actually we all have pretty centre ground views. Some Left leaning, some right winging. I'm not going to riot and kill for either.

I’m right of centre, but I don’t class myself , or want to be called, right wing.

The connotations around that term are well known and are so far removed from my own thoughts that it’s totally wrong to use the term to describe me.

I’m no nazi sympathiser but I do believe in lower taxes and smaller government for example. That doesn’t make me a MAGA follower or any of the other terms that get flung around.

But to say that you are right of centre online leaves yourself open to insults . We see it on this forum all the time.
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Originally Posted by The Tubs

Here you go, mate. Get stuck in:
https://scholar.google.com/

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You can't trust what Google tells you, unless you actually believe there were Black Nazis and Asian Vikings. :na na:

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

It's a bit like the Americans with chronic or terminal illnesses now panicking because they didn't realise 'Obamacare' and the Affordable Care Act were the same thing and are now terrified they are going to be priced out of their treatment. So wrapped up in a narrative, so blinded by misinformation and so determined to get rid of bad, commie Obamacare that they failed to do a bit of basic fact checking that would have taken all of 15 seconds.

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I'm struggling to find sympathy for that group. One of the few areas of life now where Darwinian laws may apply.

Being able to see another point of view is an essential part of life. I also think quite a chunk of the school curriculum should be dedicated to navigating information.

To be fair history was always recorded by the rich and I think with the new people reporting being harder to control it was inevitable the rich would essentially buy the narrative and there aren't many ultra rich people that are not well to the right and interested in other views. What Twitter seems to be now is a space for them against us with little middle ground. I've had loads of great ding dongs on Facebook with friends and friends of friends and for the most part it has ended with an agree to disagree at worse. I would never think of Twitter as a place you could do that. The Farmers Inheritance Tax for me is a debate I can see both ways. I think there are arguments both ways albeit ultimately I would side with the Government in terms of their intentions.

In terms of the Club moving to Bluesky from Twitter I think the latter is so associated with the Far Right we should make the move away. How easy is it to remove your account from Twitter

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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

You can't trust Google tells you, unless you actually believe there were Black Nazis and Asian Vikings. :na na:

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The links you will find therein will lead you to almost all human knowledge that has been built. Feel free to digest and question it as you so desire.

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Originally Posted by The Tubs

The links you will find therein will lead you to almost all human knowledge that has been built. Feel free to digest and question it as you so desire.

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Originally Posted by ElginHibbie

People are leaving X because of people sharing views to the right of theirs

They are leaving because of people sharing they want lower taxes?

LOL no...no not those views

So....deregulation?

Haha no not those views either

Which views, exactly?

Oh, you know the ones

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Right you are.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

I'm struggling to find sympathy for that group. One of the few areas of life now where Darwinian laws may apply.

Being able to see another point of view is an essential part of life. I also think quite a chunk of the school curriculum should be dedicated to navigating information.

To be fair history was always recorded by the rich and I think with the new people reporting being harder to control it was inevitable the rich would essentially buy the narrative and there aren't many ultra rich people that are not well to the right and interested in other views. What Twitter seems to be now is a space for them against us with little middle ground. I've had loads of great ding dongs on Facebook with friends and friends of friends and for the most part it has ended with an agree to disagree at worse. I would never think of Twitter as a place you could do that. The Farmers Inheritance Tax for me is a debate I can see both ways. I think there are arguments both ways albeit ultimately I would side with the Government in terms of their intentions.

In terms of the Club moving to Bluesky from Twitter I think the latter is so associated with the Far Right we should make the move away. How easy is it to remove your account from Twitter

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I think the latter part of your middle paragraph is where I sit.

I've got mates and family across the political spectrum and in person or on WhatsApp or whatever we can have a right good argument but still walk away as mates at the end of it. X is now no longer a space where that can happen and I daresay Bluesky will be the same given time if it isn't already there.

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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

There are too many people either unwilling or unable to engage in Critical Thinking (on every side, in every culture).

This lack of listening and understanding of opposing views and shutting yourself off from them is very dangerous. This is propagated on every social media platform and most worrying, the Main Stream Media. People believe what they read, and regurgitate it without question - they have been told to trust those in power and the media - and trust the science (science is the new religion!). Instead they should be questioning everything - trust nothing. Even the BBC (haha!) That means listening and reading everything you can, even if you don't like it or believe it.

Doing so will form better opinions and find ones-self, like the majority of others, sitting down the centre. But we've being made to believe that everybody is either Far Left (woke) or Far Right (Nazi). It almost feels like there is an agenda deliberately being stoked......

At least X promotes free speech, which is becoming a rarity in other media/art. Shut off free speech and you are living in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. Khmer Rouge's Cambodia, Chairman Mao's China or Kier Starmer's Britain.

Note: I am not, and never have been, nor will ever be a member of social media (except IRC back in the day) and LinkedIn (and even that is going to the dogs).

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X does not promote free speech unless it helps Musk and his agendas. There have been numerous examples of him being caught banning accounts critical of him or things associated to him and Trump or killing the reach of what could be described as left leaning news outlets.

Fair enough if people thin Bluesky is a bit of a left wing retreat bubble, I do actually agree that there needs to be some resemblance of discussion on things that span what is a reasonable part of the spectrum. Go too far left and it becomes a bit of a fascist ideology of conforming to new social norms, go too far right and it's just outright racist and bigotry. Society needs to find it's way to discuss the part in between again, but I'm afraid to say Twitter has no longer become that place because Musk has no real interest in it being that.

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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf

X does not promote free speech unless it helps Musk and his agendas. There have been numerous examples of him being caught banning accounts critical of him or things associated to him and Trump or killing the reach of what could be described as left leaning news outlets.

Fair enough if people thin Bluesky is a bit of a left wing retreat bubble, I do actually agree that there needs to be some resemblance of discussion on things that span what is a reasonable part of the spectrum. Go too far left and it becomes a bit of a fascist ideology of conforming to new social norms, go too far right and it's just outright racist and bigotry. Society needs to find it's way to discuss the part in between again, but I'm afraid to say Twitter has no longer become that place because Musk has no real interest in it being that.

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Its not really about left and right wing in the traditional sense. Its about accuracy on one hand, and the way debate has been dragged into the sewer on twitter. Take climate change denial. Blue sky doesnt allow scientifically inaccurate myths to be pedalled on the platform, so you can believe the content because its being properly moderated. In terms of debate, im sure a wide range of views will be tolerated as long as they are supported by actual facts and arent accompanied by the usual rudeness and abuse that you get so much these days.

Twitter is like reading Follow Follow or Ab Mad, un-moderated bile everywhere you turn.

Threads is where I'm at now. So easy to find others of similar interests. Instagram and Threads are on the same platform.

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Originally Posted by flash

Feel almost a sense of comfort that a couple of posters who i almost without fail disagree with about anything to do with Hibs appear to be the polar opposite of me in this thread too.

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Funnily enough I had a similar feeling on reading the thread

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Its not really about left and right wing in the traditional sense. Its about accuracy on one hand, and the way debate has been dragged into the sewer on twitter. Take climate change denial. Blue sky doesnt allow scientifically inaccurate myths to be pedalled on the platform, so you can believe the content because its being properly moderated. In terms of debate, im sure a wide range of views will be tolerated as long as they are supported by actual facts and arent accompanied by the usual rudeness and abuse that you get so much these days.

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Being properly moderated is the key point you make here.

Prior to Musk buying Twitter, who was doing the moderating?

From my limited experience of using it, the only difference is now stuff that used to be banned, isn’t.

So you’re getting a lot of stuff that you guys see as being right wing, that was simply not allowed before.

We may not like or agree with loads of it, but iI’d far rather it be allowed than banned.

Reading stuff we don’t agree with should be encouraged. Twitter now allows us to do that.

I don’t see any value at all in reading the opinions of people that agree with me.

I want to read opposing views, no matter what the subject is or how distasteful I might find these views or those making them.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Blue sky doesnt allow scientifically inaccurate myths to be pedalled on the platform, so you can believe the content because its being properly moderated..

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That's is a problem, because there can be scientific papers that can argue topics one way or another. It comes down the moderators own opinions on what they believe and will allow.

As I said earlier, Science is the new Religion in that it cannot be questioned, as the great majority of us cannot prove otherwise - we don't have the education or 'respect' in the Scientific community. We just have to accept it as gospel and truth.

Scientists that do question official lines, risk their reputations and careers. Who is willing to do that? It stifles scientific debate and restricts progress and truth (but probably keeps the powerful in power, makes the rich richer and keeps the corrupt out of jail)

Galileo was tried and convicted for suggesting the earth moved around the sun!

I’ve moved to Bluesky and find it a much more pleasurable experience. Gladly deleted Twitter. Shame is Hibs don’t move but still happy with my choice. It’s a bit like Twitter in 2009.[emoji106]
And everyone(except Hibs[emoji1696]) I followed on Twitter is on Bluesky now anyway so I lost nothing.

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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

That's is a problem, because there can be scientific papers that can argue topics one way or another. It comes down the moderators own opinions on what they believe and will allow.

As I said earlier, Science is the new Religion in that it cannot be questioned, as the great majority of us cannot prove otherwise - we don't have the education or 'respect' in the Scientific community. We just have to accept it as gospel and truth.

Scientists that do question official lines, risk their reputations and careers. Who is willing to do that? It stifles scientific debate and restricts progress and truth (but probably keeps the powerful in power, makes the rich richer and keeps the corrupt out of jail)

Galileo was tried and convicted for suggesting the earth moved around the sun!

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I’m not going to trawl back through old threads but were you not a pretty vociferous anti-vaxer during the Covid days? Apologies if I’m mixing you up with someone else.

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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

That's is a problem, because there can be scientific papers that can argue topics one way or another. It comes down the moderators own opinions on what they believe and will allow.

As I said earlier, Science is the new Religion in that it cannot be questioned, as the great majority of us cannot prove otherwise - we don't have the education or 'respect' in the Scientific community. We just have to accept it as gospel and truth.

Scientists that do question official lines, risk their reputations and careers. Who is willing to do that? It stifles scientific debate and restricts progress and truth (but probably keeps the powerful in power, makes the rich richer and keeps the corrupt out of jail)

Galileo was tried and convicted for suggesting the earth moved around the sun!

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Bluesky isn’t trying and convicting anyone.


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