Missing submersible

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Originally Posted by grunt

Read your post again. Not now, when you wake up tomorrow.

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Typos about immigrants dying are hilarious right enough chief.

Point stands its hypocritical to as why people are interested in this, when on here were clearly more interested than the constant stream of unsuccessful migrants that lose their lives.

It's simply an unusual and macabre death they will have and we'll follow it in real time and that's newsworthy

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I was listening to an engineer who turned down an invitation to go on the vessel. The way he described it made it sound like the thing was built using materials from B&Q.

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Online BBC News saying a Scottish submarine expert was sacked because he had pointed out possible problems with the carbon hull, and that the viewpoint on Titan is only certified to 1300 metres depth

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Originally Posted by Lendo

Astounding lack of empathy for what must be terrifying situation, especially given one the missing people is a 19 year old boy.

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Human beings are potentially facing a horrible death here, at that point wealth etc doesn’t matter, they are just the same as the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

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Human beings are potentially facing a horrible death here, at that point wealth etc doesn’t matter, they are just the same as the rest of us.

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They are the same as the rest of us. So surely just like the Palestinians who face horrible deaths on a daily basis, the media should simply ignore these people as well?

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

They are the same as the rest of us. So surely just like the Palestinians who face horrible deaths on a daily basis, the media should simply ignore these people as well?

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That's a run and jump from what he said, very poor

Apparently 'banging sounds' picked up in search area.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

That's a run and jump from what he said, very poor

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It's what i'm saying myself. The only poor thing about all of this is that we're supposed to care about the lives of billionaires lost at sea, while other lives are treated as mere statistics. How many lives have likely been ruined by these people because of their own greed? Where's the news about those lives?

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

It's what i'm saying myself. The only poor thing about all of this is that we're supposed to care about the lives of billionaires lost at sea, while other lives are treated as mere statistics. How many lives have likely been ruined by these people because of their own greed? Where's the news about those lives?

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How many lives have been improved by their philanthropy?

The answer is, as it is to your question, "we don't know".

We do know that they are human beings.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

How many lives have been improved by their philanthropy?

The answer is, as it is to your question, "we don't know".

We do know that they are human beings.

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Yes and I would be all for caring about their well-being if other lives were given equal consideration. It's not that I wish harm on them, I just find it difficult to feel impacted by it knowing that there's far worse sufferings going on in the world that we never get to hear anything about.

Are folk really saying that we shouldn't care about people in peril because of the amount of money they have?

What's the financial cut off point for compassion? :dunno:

Valuing people because of their worth? Where have I noticed that happening before?

The wealth of the passengers on the submarine has nothing to do with the level of coverage the story. Remember the wall to wall reporting when the kids were stuck in a cave Thailand?

Of course these situations will spark people's interest. We're watching a drama unfold. Their fate isn't known. Will they be rescued in the nick of time or will they suffer a horrible death?

They must be terrified. I feel for them.

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

It's what i'm saying myself. The only poor thing about all of this is that we're supposed to care about the lives of billionaires lost at sea, while other lives are treated as mere statistics. How many lives have likely been ruined by these people because of their own greed? Where's the news about those lives?

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It the heartlessness here that I find really depressing. There's a 19yo in the sub. Did he choose his parents?

Did I hear correctly on the breakfast news that this was a prototype and this was it's maiden voyage.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Are folk really saying that we shouldn't care about people in peril because of the amount of money they have?

What's the financial cut off point for compassion? :dunno:

Valuing people because of their worth? Where have I noticed that happening before?

The wealth of the passengers on the submarine has nothing to do with the level of coverage the story. Remember the wall to wall reporting when the kids were stuck in a cave Thailand?

Of course these situations will spark people's interest. We're watching a drama unfold. Their fate isn't known. Will they be rescued in the nick of time or will they suffer a horrible death?

They must be terrified. I feel for them.

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I think people will be looking at the massive search and rescue operation being mounted here and comparing the lesser search and rescue operations mounted elsewhere and wondering what the difference is? I think that’s a fair question.
It’s obviously sad for the families of these people but they were indulging in an extremely risky activity.
Hopefully whatever happened to them was quick and they did not suffer.


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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

Nobody is saying that. What is being said is that there lives are worth no more than anybody else's lives. This is all over the news when there's plenty of other things that could be occupying the news instead. Such as atrocities that are not of the victims own making.

Let's consider the situation they've found themselves in and why this has happened. They made the sub from camping parts and tried to guide it using a Playstation 2 controller. They're billionaires who cheaped out on a life sustaining vessel in the most tight-fisted way possible.

They've prioritised their own greed ahead of their own lives instead of others on this one.

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I think your billionairephobia might be at play here :cb

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

Nobody is saying that. What is being said is that there lives are worth no more than anybody else's lives. This is all over the news when there's plenty of other things that could be occupying the news instead. Such as atrocities that are not of the victims own making.

Let's consider the situation they've found themselves in and why this has happened. They made the sub from camping parts and tried to guide it using a Playstation 2 controller. They're billionaires who cheaped out on a life sustaining vessel in the most tight-fisted way possible.

They've prioritised their own greed ahead of their own lives instead of others on this one.

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Serves the wealthy b*****ds right, eh.

I posted a thread on here recently about the death of a Palestinian child, killed by Israeli soldiers that were indiscriminately firing at various targets on the off chance they may be Palestinian terrorists.

One article in the Guardian, no follow up articles into how the Israelis had lied about killing an innocent child then tried to cover it up, no coverage at all on most media sites.

I deleted the thread because not one single person posted a reply.


Deleting it was probably bit stupid, I was having a bad day, but still...

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Originally Posted by Lendo

Astounding lack of empathy for what must be terrifying situation, especially given one the missing people is a 19 year old boy.

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if he’s 19 then he’s a man capable of making his own decisions rather than a ‘boy’ but yes some of the comments here are unbelievable. I can’t imagine what they must be going through. Well, I can imagine… and it’s horrific.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

I posted a thread on here recently about the death of a Palestinian child, killed by Israeli soldiers that were indiscriminately firing at various targets on the off chance they may be Palestinian terrorists.

One article in the Guardian, no follow up articles into how the Israelis had lied about killing an innocent child then tried to cover it up, no coverage at all on most media sites.

I deleted the thread because not one single person posted a reply.


Deleting it was probably bit stupid, I was having a bad day, but still...

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I would have replied. But some subjects appear to be off limits or draw heavy levels of criticism, even if they're perfectly valid talking points.

This is a bizarre thread. Lots of whataboutery. Every situation has it's own merits. It's not these guys faults that the BBC are covering their imminent death in a 20ft submarine instead of Palestine.

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Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse

This is a bizarre thread. Lots of whataboutery. Every situation has it's own merits. It's not these guys faults that the BBC are covering their imminent death in a 20ft submarine instead of Palestine.

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My criticism regarding the coverage is very much directed towards those responsible for the coverage and it's not even a case of thinking that they're wrong to cover this, it's the fact that there are other things going on in the world right now which deserve every bit as much coverage, but it's all hush hush on the media front, not just because of this particular situation, but because they never give any coverage to these other things regardless. Why not?

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

I would have replied. But some subjects appear to be off limits or draw heavy levels of criticism, even if they're perfectly valid talking points.

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I know, mate, some subjects are a bit awkward (especially daring to criticise Israel) and I'm honestly not criticising everybody, because I know a lot of people genuinely do care.

It's just that some terrible events merit little to no reaction, especially in the media, either because they're so commonplace or maybe just the wrong people are involved (regardless of how far away it may be).

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

My criticism regarding the coverage is very much directed towards those responsible for the coverage and it's not even a case of thinking that they're wrong to cover this, it's the fact that there are other things going on in the world right now which deserve every bit as much coverage, but it's all hush hush on the media front, not just because of this particular situation, but because they never give any coverage to these other things regardless. Why not?

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That's seems like a global media issue rather than some explorers who are about to run out of air, one of them with his son who he might have to watch slowly suffocate before he does or vice versa.

Just to add, you said;

"Yes and I would be all for caring about their well-being if other lives were given equal consideration".

You are not giving their lives equal consideration in your own mind from what you've said. You're letting the media dictate who you give consideration to, it's just that your bias is positive, while theirs appears negative.

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

Yes I know, it's truly horrific. But the only reason we know about this is because of the media coverage in the first place. Now consider the things going on that we know nothing about, because the media effectively has a blanket ban on covering it to suit some misplaced agenda.

I hate what is happening to these people, but I also hate that they've effectively done it to themselves and that this is considered bigger news over what is happening to other people through absolutely no fault of their own. It just infuriates me tbh.

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By that token, anyone who buys a ticket on a plane that crashes has done it to themselves. I don't see how you can be so flippant about these guys but think everyone deserves equal consideration.

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

Sorry, but that's a false comparison. This is more like building your own plane that clearly isn't designed to fly at high altitudes, then ignoring the warnings of professionals and flying it far too high anyway.

Do they deserve this? No they don't. Nobody deserves this. But they are directly responsible for the situation that they find themselves in, all because they thought they knew better than those who actually had experience in doing this kind of thing.

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The guys on it just paid to be on it did they not? Apart from the CEO obviously.

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

Sorry, but that's a false comparison. This is more like building your own plane that clearly isn't designed to fly at high altitudes, then ignoring the warnings of professionals and flying it far too high anyway.

Do they deserve this? No they don't. Nobody deserves this. But they are directly responsible for the situation that they find themselves in, all because they thought they knew better than those who actually had experience in doing this kind of thing.

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You really are the king of extrapolation of motives and actions based on the square root of zero.

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Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse

That's seems like a global media issue rather than some explorers who are about to run out of air, one of them with his son who he might have to watch slowly suffocate before he does or vice versa.

Just to add, you said;

"Yes and I would be all for caring about their well-being if other lives were given equal consideration".

You are not giving their lives equal consideration in your own mind from what you've said. You're letting the media dictate who you give consideration to, it's just that your bias is positive, while theirs appears negative.

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They aren't explorers. They are tourists looking for a thrill. If they had jumped off a cliff using an experimental bungee rope with dodgy H&S practices they be dead immediately and it would be a case of "play daft games, win a daft prize", there would be no drama or countdown to oxygen running out etc.

As I said above I hope they are found.

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Originally Posted by archie

You really are the king of extrapolation of motives and actions based on the square root of zero.

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What's the motive to see the Titanic? There is no advancement of knowledge going down there, it's just day tripping.

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Originally Posted by Kato

What's the motive to see the Titanic? There is no advancement of knowledge going down there, it's just day tripping.

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And?

One of the weirdest threads in a while. Surely any good person will feel sad for these people and sad for all the other tragic deaths out there.

People are just interested in this as it's unusual, like the poor Thai kids in the cave or apollo 13 astronauts. It's unusual and happening in real time. I'm in communist Vietnam where there is more poverty than home and its all over the news, so a big story worldwide I'd guess

This is a modern day horror story, I'm sure we can all use our imagination to put ourselves in the position of those in trouble. I hope that they are found and rescued.

In terms of the media coverage, it's a handy distraction from stories of lying PMs, sky high inflation and the cost of living crisis. Right wing press in particular will be happy that this has pushed the Tory bad news stories off the front pages.