Scotrail

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

They had a driver on LBC a few days ago. Three times hospitalised from people throwing things through the window and either getting injuries from glass or the object. Dealing with people leaping in front of the trains and being powerless to not hit them. Long hours, Stressful job, large responsibilities, multiple routes to learn. Tracks in poor condition so lots of considerations to make in inclement weather (think to the Stonehaven rail disaster).

Just because someone feels underpaid doesn't mean that you shouldn't support those who feel the same but are doing something about it.

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Sounds like he would welcome driverless trains?


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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

They had a driver on LBC a few days ago. Three times hospitalised from people throwing things through the window and either getting injuries from glass or the object. Dealing with people leaping in front of the trains and being powerless to not hit them. Long hours, Stressful job, large responsibilities, multiple routes to learn. Tracks in poor condition so lots of considerations to make in inclement weather (think to the Stonehaven rail disaster).

Just because someone feels underpaid doesn't mean that you shouldn't support those who feel the same but are doing something about it.

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I can't get my head around a train driver thinking they are underpaid on £52,000 before overtime. Everyone would like to be paid more if they could but they can't honestly think they are underpaid on that salary.

As a comparison a Police Officer, who will also deal with people throwing things and attacking them, deaths, drug users, long and unsociable hours are paid a starting salary of £27,000 rising to £33,000 after 3 years.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

I can't get my head around a train driver thinking they are underpaid on £52,000 before overtime. Everyone would like to be paid more if they could but they can't honestly think they are underpaid on that salary.

As a comparison a Police Officer, who will also deal with people throwing things and attacking them, deaths, drug users, long and unsociable hours are paid a starting salary of £27,000 rising to £33,000 after 3 years.

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Nobody said that those professions weren’t underpaid.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Nobody said that those professions weren’t underpaid.

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Maybe so, but even with a 20% pay rise, which would be unheard, of they'd still be paid significantly less than Train drivers.

Train drivers are not underpaid on £52,000 a year. That is clearly not the case and if that's what they are claiming they will not get a lot of public sympathy.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Maybe so, but even with a 20% pay rise, which would be unheard, of they'd still be paid significantly less than Train drivers.

Train drivers are not underpaid on £52,000 a year. That is clearly not the case and if that's what they are claiming they will not get a lot of public sympathy.

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Which is why I think they may be over playing their hand.[emoji51]


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Is the strike not politically motivated to have a pop at SG?

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Is the strike not politically motivated to have a pop at SG?

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Why, are most Scotrail drivers anti SNP?

Just noticed a question raised in the parliament in England regarding scotrail being charged more than double for track access on network rail than any other train operator. Ripping off the Scots again, something like the National grid.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

freakin £52k for sitting reading a paper whilst the train trundles along on auto-pilot


opening and closing doors at platforms

flicking a few switches for heating/Air conditioning



gies a job






or maybe a little more complicated ? :) either way tell them to gtf and think of the millions less well off and having to choose between Eating or Heating... ****s

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I think this is mostly tongue in cheek but the industries fortunate to have strong unions are imo doing the right things to increase their worker's wages. The general public have been getting taken for mugs for decades now working low wages at the expense of shareholder profits.

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Originally Posted by franck sauzee

I think this is mostly tongue in cheek but the industries fortunate to have strong unions are imo doing the right things to increase their worker's wages. The general public have been getting taken for mugs for decades now working low wages at the expense of shareholder profits.

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Exactly.

We have a living wage in this country that is nothing of the sort. Take into account the basic cost of surviving and there is very little for someone on the 'living' wage to actually live off. Rather than decrying those who are in a strong position to fight their case, we should be asking questions as to why so many people in other professions and industries are so chronically underpaid.

Given some of the same old tired anti union rhetoric I've read on here in recent months, I don't expect that to be a popular view though.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Exactly.

We have a living wage in this country that is nothing of the sort. Take into account the basic cost of surviving and there is very little for someone on the 'living' wage to actually live off. Rather than decrying those who are in a strong position to fight their case, we should be asking questions as to why so many people in other professions and industries are so chronically underpaid.

Given some of the same old tired anti union rhetoric I've read on here in recent months, I don't expect that to be a popular view though.

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The government and companies love us all fighting amongst ourselves, it's like the old public V private sector debate that gets everyone riled up, good luck to anyone who can get as much as possible out their work I say

Classic capitalism turning the public on the people who actually earn what they're worth and not on the people underpaying everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

I can't get my head around a train driver thinking they are underpaid on £52,000 before overtime. Everyone would like to be paid more if they could but they can't honestly think they are underpaid on that salary.

As a comparison a Police Officer, who will also deal with people throwing things and attacking them, deaths, drug users, long and unsociable hours are paid a starting salary of £27,000 rising to £33,000 after 3 years.

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Have you been reading the Daily Mail why listening to Nick Ferrari this morning?

If a train driver feels he's underpaid and working conditions aren't great, then guess what, they're underpaid and conditions aren't great.




Not aimed at anyone in particular but it pisses me off the whole "i'm a nurse and went to uni for 4 years and i'm only earning 300 quid a month more than a shelf stacker" Realistically, what do you want? Would reducing the shelve stackers wages by 200 quid a month make you feel better about yourself? It's mental. If you don't think you're earning enough, don't whinge and piss all over the checkout operator or burger flipper as they're earning that amount, fight like **** to increase your own wages.

Classic divide and conquer tactics and it still works.

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Originally Posted by Antifa Hibs

Have you been reading the Daily Mail why listening to Nick Ferrari this morning?

If a train driver feels he's underpaid and working conditions aren't great, then guess what, they're underpaid and conditions aren't great.

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This literally made me laugh out loud.

It's such a ridiculous way to ascertain if someone is actually underpaid or not I'll just leave it there.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Maybe so, but even with a 20% pay rise, which would be unheard, of they'd still be paid significantly less than Train drivers.

Train drivers are not underpaid on £52,000 a year. That is clearly not the case and if that's what they are claiming they will not get a lot of public sympathy.

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Irrespective of what anyone else is getting, 2.2% is a long way short of current inflation, so train drivers' living standards are being eroded. Their union is perfectly within its rights to try and stop that happening. Obviously they have to balance that with not collapsing the service altogether.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

This literally made me laugh out loud.

It's such a ridiculous way to ascertain if someone is actually underpaid or not I'll just leave it there.

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Equally as ridiculous as comparing a train driver to a nurse, or a polis to a mcdonalds worker, or an off-shore rigger to a bus driver...

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Originally Posted by Antifa Hibs

Equally as ridiculous as comparing a train driver to a nurse, or a polis to a mcdonalds worker, or an off-shore rigger to a bus driver...

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Sometimes I feel I'm underpaid, but I know deep down I'm not.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Is the strike not politically motivated to have a pop at SG?

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Scotrail drivers aren’t on strike, they are just not working on their rest days and not doing any overtime. The railway wouldn’t run at all without staff working their rest days

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Originally Posted by oconnors_strip

Scotrail drivers aren’t on strike, they are just not working on their rest days and not doing any overtime. The railway wouldn’t run at all without staff working their rest days

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Ok cheers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61595016

Significant offer from Scotrail. I would think they will take this deal.[emoji106]


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Originally Posted by overdrive

I think it’s widely accepted that the RMT is one of the most effective unions. I think it will be partly down to that.

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Except the RMT don’t represent train drivers ASLEF do. It should also be noted that scotrail drivers have not been on strike for over 20 years and aren’t on strike just now. Drivers have decided not to work overtime as the original offer was derisory. It’s also incredibly stupid for anyone to think this has anything to do with ASLEF being affiliated to the Labour Party. This is all about a union and it’s members fighting for a decent pay rise at a time when we are all facing a cost of living crisis.

If other workers feel undervalued by their employer then they should join a union and get organised and fight for their worth. Unions are there to represent its members not to allow their wages to go down.

It astounds me that fellow workers feel the need to attack other workers rather than greedy employers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61664953

Train drivers turn down 4.2% raise

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61664953

Train drivers turn down 4.2% raise

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How does that offer compare to the wage rises offered to other public sector workers?

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

How does that offer compare to the wage rises offered to other public sector workers?

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Blows them out the water, I'd guess.

Most will get 1-2% absolute tops which on top of years of freezes or 1% means they're actually about 10%+ in real terms behind since 2010ish.

Which, however, is not to say train drivers shouldn't maximise their income.

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Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy

Blows them out the water, I'd guess.

Most will get 1-2% absolute tops which on top of years of freezes or 1% means they're actually about 10%+ in real terms behind since 2010ish.

Which, however, is not to say train drivers shouldn't maximise their income.

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Turning down an increase of more than 2 grand before tax!

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61664953

Train drivers turn down 4.2% raise

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Greedy Bar Stewards.

No matter what they get in the end theyll be back pulling this stunt next year

I know it’s a better offer than just about anyone else will get this year (company directors and senior management excluded) but with inflation at 9% then it still represents a cut in their living standards.
I do feel they have been badly advised though. I doubt Scotrail has the ability to offer more so we are probably heading for an all out strike. That will cost the drivers a lot of money and times being as they are I doubt there will be much support for them.


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Originally Posted by Lendo

No matter what they get in the end theyll be back pulling this stunt next year

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Why is asking for a decent wage and terms and conditions, a stunt?

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61664953

Train drivers turn down 4.2% raise

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I can't imagine them being offered much more than that. Hard to see how this one gets resolved anytime soon.

Looks like some grim months ahead if they strike. Which will have quite an impact on hospitality and entertainment businesses, particularly going into August.