Macron well ahead according to early projections
Macron well ahead according to early projections
58.2% for Macron in the first projection after the polls closed, they're normally very accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis1875
Never in doubt.
Melenchon for PM now please.
Terrible news for the Spectator magazine who have been cheering on Le Pen for months now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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The Spectator loves Putins paid for poodles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
What is in it for the owners and journalists.
Owned by Fred Barclay BTW, who also owns The Telegraph which also took millions from Putin.
Secret Services should be all over these people.
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Hate Macron but the lesser of two evils. A weird system France have
Is that likely? I'd like to think so, but is it likely?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
As for the future, the left needs to screw the nut. Some of thrm haven't moved on while the world has turned under their feet. Some folk just need to accept that their politics is never going to win.
The Left did really well, have you followed the votes cast? the only problem is the eternal one of their vote being split across feuding parties :dunno: thankfully those who voted JLM in the first round either held their nose and voted Macron in the 2nd or abstained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
A Putin poodle conceding? She obviously didn't get the memo.
That's what I meant. There's folk on the left who would rather stay pure to their beliefs than compromise. That's the case everywhere of course, but there are elements in the left in France that haven't shifted for decades. That's a lot of the reason the left vote wasn't big enough to get to the run off. Again.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I'm not advocating Blairism (definitely not!). But going in the huff because pensions need to reflect life expectancy isn't a good look.
She was never going to win, but 42 per cent of the vote is very alarming. The rest mustn't be complacent, Le Pen has now made two consecutive run off elections, and her vote share has increased. The far right is on the rise in many European countries just now: Hungary, Poland, Germany, Austria, Denmark. The issues the far right are exploiting in such a toxic way need to be addressed with logic and moderation, and it's the responsibility of the left, centre and moderate right across Europe to re-claim the debate; talk about the benefits of immigration, the EU and tackling climate change, for example. They are constantly on the defensive and fail to make the positive case, IMHO.
I like much of what he says, but his anti-EU position is problematic.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I don’t agree with him on that either, but his presence as PM doesn’t really bring it much closer in real terms, it just means that the justified concerns of the French working class about the cost of living crisis, executive pay and cultural integration get addressed from a left wing instead of a hard right perspective. But he needs to forge some alliances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I think "really well" is stretching it. Melenchon did well, the PS had pretty much the ultimate shocker, they got less than the Communists!Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Melenchon + Greens + 4 other leftists = 32%
Macron in the middle (albeit he leaned right, especially economically in his first term) = 28%
Le Pen + Zemmour + 3 other right wingers = 40%
Macrons party have taken a bit of a battering in the elections France's Emmanuel Macron set to lose majority - projection - BBC News
great for the left-greens
disappointing to see the far right pick up so many though
It’s tremendous news that the Left have actually formed a United front. Shame it’s too late for big parts of the French health service and train system which has been battered by Macron following Thatcher’s lead 35 years late. And he’s supposed to be ‘modern’.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
The scale of the far right intake will have probably surprised even Le Pen. She must be ecstatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Yes, they were expecting around 30-40 seats, so 89 greatly surpasses expectations. It underscores the growth of the far left and far right in France, with voters abandoning the centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
True, although the media's portrayal of Macron as a 'centrist' is beyond ridiculous. He's a rampant Thatcherite. Your choice is basically Left Vs Extreme Right Neoliberal Vs Extreme Nasty Right anti liberal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba