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02-08-2020, 10:06 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Aubameyang is decent but is all round game is nowhere near up with the best. He’s poor back to goal and needs a partner which is why Arsenal have moved him out to the left.

The likes of Lewandowski, Kane, Suarez, Benzema are far more complete strikers than Aubameyang.

Just different, not more complete. He'd smoke all 4 in a sprint which adds a different dynamic to play.

I don't think Suarez is more complete these days, bit of a flat track bully. About 4 years without an away goal in the champions league.

Aubameyang is world class, no doubting that. Calling him decent is a nonsense. No one has more goals for English clubs than him since he joined Arsenal.
02-08-2020, 10:07 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

He's a class act. Arsenal had a poor season and would have been sunk without Aubameyang. After the final yesterday he was non-committal about his future. No doubt Arsenal will offer him a massive contract, they really need him, but he might have decided he needs a club that can challenge for the Champions League, given his age. It will be a huge blow to Arsenal if he leaves, as he's almost impossible to replace.

Arteta said he thinks he'll stay. Doubt he'd be saying that without some positive breakthrough recently.
02-08-2020, 10:13 PM
Future17

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Originally Posted by StevesFamau5

These stats seem to show both are very similar. In fact both are almost identical in many ways with minor differences between them.

Does it matter how you score as long as you score? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...380abd9126.jpg

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I'm not sure why, but I can't read the text on that image on my phone or laptop.

Lewandowski scored 51 goals in 43 appearances last season. Immobile scored 39 in 44 appearances.

Lewandowksi took 6 pens and scored them all. Immobile took 17(!) and scored 15.

If we're discussing how prolific a player is as a striker, I personally wouldn't take penalties into account.
02-08-2020, 10:29 PM
RyeSloan

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Originally Posted by Future17

I'm not sure why, but I can't read the text on that image on my phone or laptop.

Lewandowski scored 51 goals in 43 appearances last season. Immobile scored 39 in 44 appearances.

Lewandowksi took 6 pens and scored them all. Immobile took 17(!) and scored 15.

If we're discussing how prolific a player is as a striker, I personally wouldn't take penalties into account.

I think yer right with the pens thing but even without it I’d suggest it’s clear as day Lewandowski is a cut above.

He’s absolutely class each and every time I’ve seen him play.

PEA is a quality player no doubt and absolutely has been for a long time as well as now becoming a talisman for Arsenal. Not quite Lewandowski level but then again very few, if any, are!
03-08-2020, 12:13 AM
Baader

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Aubameyang is decent but is all round game is nowhere near up with the best. He’s poor back to goal and needs a partner which is why Arsenal have moved him out to the left.

The likes of Lewandowski, Kane, Suarez, Benzema are far more complete strikers than Aubameyang.

If that's decent then I'll settle for decent. He's way above decent!
03-08-2020, 09:06 AM
Winston Ingram

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Just different, not more complete. He'd smoke all 4 in a sprint which adds a different dynamic to play.

I don't think Suarez is more complete these days, bit of a flat track bully. About 4 years without an away goal in the champions league.

Aubameyang is world class, no doubting that. Calling him decent is a nonsense. No one has more goals for English clubs than him since he joined Arsenal.

I'd agree, decent was a bit unfair and i used the wrong word there. He's obviously better than decent. The question raised by the OP was that he was in the top 3 strikers in the world and his hold up/link up play is nowhere near top 3 level.

He may be able to burn the rest of the strikers for pace but pace isn't that much use if you're playing again one of the smaller teams who defend deep which is vital to the club trying to win things. All the other strikers i named are brilliant at it. The ability to hold it up and link the play is massive and the fact that he is so poor at it is why he's been shunted out left wing since Arteta has arrived.
03-08-2020, 09:19 AM
hibsbollah

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

I'd agree, decent was a bit unfair and i used the wrong word there. He's obviously better than decent. The question raised by the OP was that he was in the top 3 strikers in the world and his hold up/link up play is nowhere near top 3 level.

He may be able to burn the rest of the strikers for pace but pace isn't that much use if you're playing again one of the smaller teams who defend deep which is vital to the club trying to win things. All the other strikers i named are brilliant at it. The ability to hold it up and link the play is massive and the fact that he is so poor at it is why he's been shunted out left wing since Arteta has arrived.

‘Hold up play’ is just one of many techniques to beat a defence when you don’t have great pace. Auba showed with his second goal the ability to beat a defender without using his pace, the outrageous feint right and move left with Messi like chip afterwards. So I’d say even on that one piece of evidence he has more in his toolbox than just pace. Whether you call it ‘hold up play’ in the classic Olivier Giroud sense doesn’t really matter IMO. You don’t need to bring someone else into the game if you have the stuff to skin a defender and chip the keeper yourself. I think that’s why he’s up there with the absolute best.
03-08-2020, 09:42 AM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

I'd agree, decent was a bit unfair and i used the wrong word there. He's obviously better than decent. The question raised by the OP was that he was in the top 3 strikers in the world and his hold up/link up play is nowhere near top 3 level.

He may be able to burn the rest of the strikers for pace but pace isn't that much use if you're playing again one of the smaller teams who defend deep which is vital to the club trying to win things. All the other strikers i named are brilliant at it. The ability to hold it up and link the play is massive and the fact that he is so poor at it is why he's been shunted out left wing since Arteta has arrived.

Shunted out to the left wing makes it sound like he isn't good enough to play striker. Ridiculous way of looking at things. It is main because his pace can be used to destroy fullbacks who go forward. The guy is versatile enough to play left wing and striker to a world class level, that is a pro, not a con.

Giroud is as good at hold up play as any forward in the world but he definitely not on Aubameyanys level because he isn't anywhere near as quick, versatile or deadly Infront of goal.

You pretend Auba is just a pace merchant but so so many of his goals are being in the right place at the right time. He scored many many goals against the lower half teams regardless of them sitting in.
03-08-2020, 10:40 AM
RyeSloan

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

I'd agree, decent was a bit unfair and i used the wrong word there. He's obviously better than decent. The question raised by the OP was that he was in the top 3 strikers in the world and his hold up/link up play is nowhere near top 3 level.

He may be able to burn the rest of the strikers for pace but pace isn't that much use if you're playing again one of the smaller teams who defend deep which is vital to the club trying to win things. All the other strikers i named are brilliant at it. The ability to hold it up and link the play is massive and the fact that he is so poor at it is why he's been shunted out left wing since Arteta has arrived.

I’m sure Thierry Henry was shunted out to the left wing at Arsenal as well...clearly a sign that the player is not quite cutting the world class mustard...
03-08-2020, 11:02 AM
Winston Ingram

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Shunted out to the left wing makes it sound like he isn't good enough to play striker. Ridiculous way of looking at things. It is main because his pace can be used to destroy fullbacks who go forward. The guy is versatile enough to play left wing and striker to a world class level, that is a pro, not a con.

Giroud is as good at hold up play as any forward in the world but he definitely not on Aubameyanys level because he isn't anywhere near as quick, versatile or deadly Infront of goal.

You pretend Auba is just a pace merchant but so so many of his goals are being in the right place at the right time. He scored many many goals against the lower half teams regardless of them sitting in.

I never said he was just a pace merchant. I think he's excellent but his hold up and link up play is awful. He's been shunted out there because they need someone there who can hold the ball. Hold up play in a striker is a necessity at a top club these days.

Giroud's hold up play is fantastic but we aren't talking him being in the top 3 in the world.
03-08-2020, 11:06 AM
Winston Ingram

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

‘Hold up play’ is just one of many techniques to beat a defence when you don’t have great pace. Auba showed with his second goal the ability to beat a defender without using his pace, the outrageous feint right and move left with Messi like chip afterwards. So I’d say even on that one piece of evidence he has more in his toolbox than just pace. Whether you call it ‘hold up play’ in the classic Olivier Giroud sense doesn’t really matter IMO. You don’t need to bring someone else into the game if you have the stuff to skin a defender and chip the keeper yourself. I think that’s why he’s up there with the absolute best.

I'm sorry but hold up play absolutely matters. At the top level, you can't have the ball bouncing off your CF like it does him.
03-08-2020, 11:09 AM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

I never said he was just a pace merchant. I think he's excellent but his hold up and link up play is awful. He's been shunted out there because they need someone there who can hold the ball. Hold up play in a striker is a necessity at a top club these days.

Giroud's hold up play is fantastic but we aren't talking him being in the top 3 in the world.

I agree hold up play matters but it's not the be all end all. If it was Harry Kane might actually have a trophy to his name. Awful is a strong word and he definitely makes up for it in other ways. A big part of the reason he is wide is because lacazette is also an excellent player who needs games.
03-08-2020, 11:24 AM
Winston Ingram

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

I agree hold up play matters but it's not the be all end all. If it was Harry Kane might actually have a trophy to his name. Awful is a strong word and he definitely makes up for it in other ways. A big part of the reason he is wide is because lacazette is also an excellent player who needs games.

We're talking about him being in the top 3 in the world. I can't see how people can claim he is with a chasm like that in his game...and his hold up play is that bad. Other than just by watching him myself, he regularly gets dug out for it in the media. I listen to Talksport most days and yesterday I'm listening to the likes of Alan Smith and Perry Groves acknowledge it's poor and this morning, Darren Bent, Jack Wilshere and Ally McCoist were all in agreement that it's poor.
03-08-2020, 11:29 AM
Carheenlea

Further evidence of my lack of knowledge about non-Hibs related football. I’ve never heard of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang.
03-08-2020, 12:24 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

We're talking about him being in the top 3 in the world. I can't see how people can claim he is with a chasm like that in his game...and his hold up play is that bad. Other than just by watching him myself, he regularly gets dug out for it in the media. I listen to Talksport most days and yesterday I'm listening to the likes of Alan Smith and Perry Groves acknowledge it's poor and this morning, Darren Bent, Jack Wilshere and Ally McCoist were all in agreement that it's poor.

Talksport is the equivalent of the lads down the pub, wouldn't rely on them for ''expert analysis''.

Auba doesn't have the best hold up play but makes up for it in other ways, with the pace and finishing. He has certainly been better than Kane and Suarez last season. Kane has never turned up big time in a semi or final like Aubameyang did for Arsenal this season.

You can be a wonderful, world class player in a different way. Kane is a good example of that. Not quick at all but deadly finishing and good all round play makes up for it, same as Auba makes up for his weaknesses with brilliant strengths.

I would say since the return from lockdown Aubameyang (along with Benzema and Lewandowski) has been as good as anyone.
03-08-2020, 12:59 PM
Winston Ingram

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Talksport is the equivalent of the lads down the pub, wouldn't rely on them for ''expert analysis''.

Auba doesn't have the best hold up play but makes up for it in other ways, with the pace and finishing. He has certainly been better than Kane and Suarez last season. Kane has never turned up big time in a semi or final like Aubameyang did for Arsenal this season.

You can be a wonderful, world class player in a different way. Kane is a good example of that. Not quick at all but deadly finishing and good all round play makes up for it, same as Auba makes up for his weaknesses with brilliant strengths.

I would say since the return from lockdown Aubameyang (along with Benzema and Lewandowski) has been as good as anyone.

I'm not relying on Talksport. My own eyes, followed by 3 former Arsenal players and fans, Groves, Smith & Wilshere, another Arsenal fan Darren Bent and a bloke who should know a bit about centre forward play, Ally McCoist.

As for being better than Kane and Suarez last season - Kane was out for 3 months as was Suarez. Even then Kane played 34 games and scored 24 goals this season were Aubameyang played 44 in and scored 29 - leaving Kane with a better average than Aubameyang.

As for Kane not showing up in big games. He holds the record for scoring in North London derbies, scored plenty v Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City. He's scored in the CL v Juventus, Barcelona, Bayern & Dortmund.
03-08-2020, 01:08 PM
McD

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Just different, not more complete. He'd smoke all 4 in a sprint which adds a different dynamic to play.

I don't think Suarez is more complete these days, bit of a flat track bully. About 4 years without an away goal in the champions league.

Aubameyang is world class, no doubting that. Calling him decent is a nonsense. No one has more goals for English clubs than him since he joined Arsenal.

Wikipedia shows Aubameyang with 70 goals in 109 appearances for Arsenal, 3 seasons.

Same 3 seasons, Salah has 94 in 152 appearances, so Salah has scored more goals for an english club in that time.

Edit: Harry Kane has scored 89 in 122 appearances in the same timeframe

That said, Aubameyang is a tremendous talent, not knocking him at all :greengrin
03-08-2020, 01:09 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Carheenlea

Further evidence of my lack of knowledge about non-Hibs related football. I’ve never heard of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang.

Well you’re about to. Signing for Hearts.
03-08-2020, 01:21 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by McD

Wikipedia shows Aubameyang with 70 goals in 109 appearances for Arsenal, 3 seasons.

Same 3 seasons, Salah has 94 in 152 appearances, so Salah has scored more goals for an english club in that time.

Edit: Harry Kane has scored 89 in 122 appearances in the same timeframe

That said, Aubameyang is a tremendous talent, not knocking him at all :greengrin

he joined at the end of January 2018. Of course they have more goals when you give them an extra 6 months :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

I'm not relying on Talksport. My own eyes, followed by 3 former Arsenal players and fans, Groves, Smith & Wilshere, another Arsenal fan Darren Bent and a bloke who should know a bit about centre forward play, Ally McCoist.

As for being better than Kane and Suarez last season - Kane was out for 3 months as was Suarez. Even then Kane played 34 games and scored 24 goals this season were Aubameyang played 44 in and scored 29 - leaving Kane with a better average than Aubameyang.

As for Kane not showing up in big games. He holds the record for scoring in North London derbies, scored plenty v Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City. He's scored in the CL v Juventus, Barcelona, Bayern & Dortmund.

I never said big games, I said semis and finals. Missed a sitter to put England 2-0 up in the WC semi, done nothing for spurs in semis and finals either.

Kane is a wonderful player. He's the one who should be moving to win things.
03-08-2020, 01:24 PM
McD

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

he joined at the end of January 2018. Of course they have more goals when you give them an extra 6 months :greengrin

I never said big games, I said semis and finals. Missed a sitter to put England 2-0 up in the WC semi, done nothing for spurs in semis and finals either.

Kane is a wonderful player. He's the one who should be moving to win things.

Ah yeah, I forgot he was the January, good point :greengrin
03-08-2020, 01:46 PM
Winston Ingram

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

he joined at the end of January 2018. Of course they have more goals when you give them an extra 6 months :greengrin

I never said big games, I said semis and finals. Missed a sitter to put England 2-0 up in the WC semi, done nothing for spurs in semis and finals either.

Kane is a wonderful player. He's the one who should be moving to win things.

He's only played in 3 semi-finals and scored in 2. He played in the CL final last year when he was unfit. He was injured when Spurs went out of the FA Cup last 2 seasons and in the league cup, was rested when they went out this year and the previous year, scored in the semi in the 1st leg and was injured before the 2nd leg. He didn't play in the CL semi as he was out with the same injury.
As for the sitter, it was brilliant save. Did ye see the sitter Aubameyang missed that resulted in Arsenal getting knocked out the Europa League?
03-08-2020, 01:53 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

He's only played in 3 semi-finals and scored in 2. He played in the CL final last year when he was unfit. He was injured when Spurs went out of the FA Cup last 2 seasons and in the league cup, was rested when they went out this year and the previous year, scored in the semi in the 1st leg and was injured before the 2nd leg. He didn't play in the CL semi as he was out with the same injury.

His fitness clearly another issue. Something Aubameyang doesn't struggle with despite being older. Hasn't even missed an Arsenal match with injury.
03-08-2020, 02:12 PM
Winston Ingram

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

His fitness clearly another issue. Something Aubameyang doesn't struggle with despite being older. Hasn't even missed an Arsenal match with injury.

It's not really. He's had 3 injuries where players have gone over the ball and caused him to roll his ankle. The hamstring one this season was the only one not caused by a tackle.
03-08-2020, 03:56 PM
Mibbes Aye

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

I’m sure Thierry Henry was shunted out to the left wing at Arsenal as well...clearly a sign that the player is not quite cutting the world class mustard...

Correct :greengrin

Arsenal exploited the fact they had Ashley Cole, one of England’s best-ever left backs and one of the best in the world at the height of his career, and Robert Pires in left midfield. Cole would overlap, Pires would come inside with Henry drifting out left, they must have been a nightmare to play against. Henry scored a ridiculous amount of goals but those from range on the left were a significant proportion. Similarly Bobby Pires scored some belters from central positions that he was able to move into, because Henry was dragging a centre half out.

Tactics have changed and Arsenal still have to settle on a formation. I am not convinced by Koleasinac. I am convinced by Tierney. I am also convinced by Saka. I think that gives them the potential down the left to disrupt the opposition and create opportunities, because Aubameyang will pull players out, or Arsenal will get an overload and have finishers elsewhere. There is certainly the potential to recreate classic Wengerball.
03-08-2020, 04:10 PM
Garibaldis

Aubameyang is a top player. Personally wouldn't consider him as being in the top 3 strikers in the world but he is a quality player for sure.

I think he will sign a new contract at Arsenal now as they will be playing European football next season, and Arteta I imagine will be feeding him with the vision he has for the club going forward but since lockdown there is nothing that suggests to me that Arsenal will finish in the top 4 next season without strengthening the team with further top players.

If Aubameyang wants to win a league title or a Champions League, like Kane he should be looking to move elsewhere.
03-08-2020, 05:33 PM
Winston Ingram

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

I’m sure Thierry Henry was shunted out to the left wing at Arsenal as well...clearly a sign that the player is not quite cutting the world class mustard...

Thierry Henry wasn’t shunted out to the left. He was signed as a winger and shunted into the middle. He was also 10 years younger than Aubameyang is now. Not even remotely comparable
03-08-2020, 05:56 PM
easty

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Thierry Henry wasn’t shunted out to the left. He was signed as a winger and shunted into the middle. He was also 10 years younger than Aubameyang is now. Not even remotely comparable

Aubameyang is nowhere near Henry's level. If he was even close he'd not be at Arsenal when they're as bad as this.
03-08-2020, 06:54 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by easty

Aubameyang is nowhere near Henry's level. If he was even close he'd not be at Arsenal when they're as bad as this.

He is still a world class stiker. Shearer was a top player who played for pretty rubbish Newcastle sides for years. The quality of the team doesn't reflect the quality of the player.
03-08-2020, 07:06 PM
WeeRussell

Give me Aubameyang over Harry f******g Kane any day of the week, and twice on cup final day.

He is superb.
03-08-2020, 07:25 PM
Mibbes Aye

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Thierry Henry wasn’t shunted out to the left. He was signed as a winger and shunted into the middle. He was also 10 years younger than Aubameyang is now. Not even remotely comparable

He was a winger as a youth and Wenger exploited that with the set-up with Cole and Pires. He then went on to score a sensational amount of goals.

Your Spurs’ sensibilities are maybe clouding your judgement young paduwan

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