And? He is hardly Leon Trotsky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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And? He is hardly Leon Trotsky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I agree but that won’t matter. It’s how he will be portrayed. He will be sold as the guy who wants to take away your medical insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
As far as American politics goes, he’s as far left as it gets and I don’t think they will vote for that.
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I'm preparing myself for a dreadful repeat of BoJo.
5 more years of Trump - my god - is what I'm resigned to. People are idiots and showbiz/infantile slogans will win.
Would be ecstatic to be proven wrong though.
I’d like to think the world will start to come to its senses soon, this would be a decent place to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonhibs
And give you free health care at the point of delivery instead, the evil commie :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Rather ironically a lot of what Sanders was saying 7 or 8 years ago on NAFTA and immigration was similiar to what Trump said in the election campaign and what won him the states around the lakes.
From what I know the American 401k savings plan is tied to stock market performance, if the economy keeps growing as it is and the stock market keeps making new highs it's going to be hard for the Democrats to get Trump out.
It's fashionable to rip on Trump, however if you are a working middle class American are you going to potentially risk the stock market and economy for a Democrat that (if not a centralist) could see markets tumble?
The American economy has grown every year for 11 years though, so it was initiated by a Democrat in Obama, after a Republican oversaw their recession.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
The issues with Trump are far more to do with the fact he's such a poor diplomat, the antithesis of a statesman and a volatile xenophobe. As a middle class American, I'd be embarrassed by that man running my country.
Oh and Merry Christmas everyone!! :greengrin
I know but as I said earlier, that looks like a risk to someone who has health insurance with their job. American are suspicious of universal healthcare. They think it can’t be done. And tearing down the current system results in lots of people thinking they are losing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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Prepare for ecstasy! (US presidents only get 4 year terms :greengrin )Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonhibs
I’m not convinced this one would go quietly if he lost an election.[emoji51]Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
You'd be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
It's only free if you don't pay anything towards it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I know. I meant that Bill and Barack tacked more to the centre that Bernie and that was how they ensured the electoral arithmetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
The poor still deserve healthcare. Almost everybody pays national insurance at some point in life. When someone is unable to do that for a period, they still deserve the care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
And non-profit system much cheaper to run. The USA spends roughly twice its GDP on health care than the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavian countries, yet has sixty million people without any coverage. The American system is incredibly bureaucratic.
Yeah many Americans regard universal healthcare as some sort of socialist/communist ideal and is fundamentally wrong and evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haymaker
This is true. They've been fed that line by big business and the conservative media for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renfrew_Hibby
:greengrin:greengrin Ahhh, 2024 let the good times roll.........Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
People get entrenched, just like people are entrenched with Bolsonaro and in time Johnson. It then becomes a pride thing. We’re ****** until these clowns see out their respective times in office the worrying thing tho is less the figureheads of Trump, Bolsonaro and Johnson more those behind them enabling this mayhem.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
Biden still topping most of the polls, Bernie closing in rather quickly though. Warren dropping like a stone, nearly sub 10% in some polls now, with Yang climbing from >5% to 7% recently too.
I think Sanders might nip this.
He’s the American Corbyn and only a Democrat when it suits him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
Trump will be delighted.
Agreed. I think he stands more of a wildcard chance than perhaps Biden, however I really think one of millennial candidates would have been a truer opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
OAC looks an interesting prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
Yang has qualified for the next debate now. Mon the Yang Gang.
Agreed re OAC, Colr.
Literally too young.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
It’s a poor field of candidates.
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AOC? As in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Interesting but already demonised by the US media. If she runs in future it will be very difficult for her to get a fair hearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
She is also way too left to ever win nationwide in America. I think Bernie is as well and if he wins the nomination I think trump wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I think Biden is a poor candidate but if he avoids looking like a ditsy old man could probably beat Trump.
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Who says he won't try and scrap term limits?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
:agree: I can't believe I overlooked that screamingly obvious point! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
If Putin can do it, why not Trumpy? :bitchy:
All joking aside this is a perfect example of why the American political structure is in *some* ways very admirable. It mitigates against unconstitutional acts very strongly and holds its president to account rather thoroughly. It's exactly why Trump never could pull a Putin, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Of course there are many more inherent problems with persisting with the legal doctrine of a ~250 year old document, however ultimately I think 4 year terms, a constitution, an elected head of state and a secular democracy are all rather good things, many of which the UK would benefit from adopting.
That was quite a tangent from myself. Next debate is 7th Feb in New Hampshire. Looking forward to Yang being back on the stage.