The 'Poor' NHS Nurse

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Originally Posted by steakbake

It's the folk on twitter copying in the Royal College of Nursing into the latest story. Madness.

They'll find out in their own way and pick through if there's a case to be answered such as through her management or her annual re-registration. They don't need folks on twitter pursuing a witch hunt.

What possible human benefit would there be to seeing her lose her livelihood and then, ironically, getting into the very same financial problems she claimed she had in the debate.

Pro-yessers have to convince and understand no voters. Mounting a vendetta to destroy someone who, for their own reasons, embellished their situation to make a political point on a political show is not a good look.

Have pointed that out to a couple of fools today who then played the man and not the argument.

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

I get it, but perhaps with the tinfoil hat on, this is exactly what opponents want - feeding someone to the sharks then complaining there's been a shark attack.

Not having a go at you specifically but beyond this, there's all sorts of sh**e being stirred which is not encouraging for neutrals and the yet-to-be convinced.

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I agree totally that there has been a stupid online response to this woman's story. What I've not heard is BBC explaining why this woman was invited on to the programme 3 times and guaranteed a question. Or why no-one at the BBC checked and reported back on her claims. They do the same thing with unionist MSPs and MPs, allowing lies to go unchallenged. The gullible might believe they are giving a platform to the truth. However, if you do challenge them your decried as a cybernat, ultranat, natzi or worse.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

It's the folk on twitter copying in the Royal College of Nursing into the latest story. Madness.

They'll find out in their own way and pick through if there's a case to be answered such as through her management or her annual re-registration. They don't need folks on twitter pursuing a witch hunt.

What possible human benefit would there be to seeing her lose her livelihood and then, ironically, getting into the very same financial problems she claimed she had in the debate.

Pro-yessers have to convince and understand no voters. Mounting a vendetta to destroy someone who, for their own reasons, embellished their situation to make a political point on a political show is not a good look.

Have pointed that out to a couple of fools today who then played the man and not the argument.

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Good post.

I see today that sturgeon had to stop the crowd of activists booing at their manifesto launch, twice, because journalists asked sturgeon questions they didnt like.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

I get it, but perhaps with the tinfoil hat on, this is exactly what opponents want - feeding someone to the sharks then complaining there's been a shark attack.

Not having a go at you specifically but beyond this, there's all sorts of sh**e being stirred which is not encouraging for neutrals and the yet-to-be convinced.

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It's a fair point. But it's inevitable that people are going to pick up on this story and talk about it. Perhaps that was the whole idea? Stir up more annoyance on the indy side, then call that annoyance a "witch hunt". It seems to be the effective tactic.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

Good post.

I see today that sturgeon had to stop the crowd of activists booing at their manifesto launch, twice, because journalists asked sturgeon questions they didnt like.

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I haven't heard any of the questions yet but already know that they will have been all about independence.

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Originally Posted by Geo_1875

I agree totally that there has been a stupid online response to this woman's story. What I've not heard is BBC explaining why this woman was invited on to the programme 3 times and guaranteed a question. Or why no-one at the BBC checked and reported back on her claims. They do the same thing with unionist MSPs and MPs, allowing lies to go unchallenged. The gullible might believe they are giving a platform to the truth. However, if you do challenge them your decried as a cybernat, ultranat, natzi or worse.

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Agree there was much for them to check up on yet the next day we got nonsense about her being in tears etc. BBC at its best IMO.

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

I haven't heard any of the questions yet but already know that they will have been all about independence.

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Why would snp activists boo a question about independence- its why they are all there!

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

Why would snp activists boo a question about independence- its why they are all there!

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Perhaps because we're told constantly that we're "obsessed with independence", despite mentioning it considerably less than the so called "unionist" parties?

We're not booing the subject of independence, we're booing the fact that other parties are hiding behind an anti-independence stance so they don't have to inform people just how shocking their policies would be for Scotland.

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

Perhaps because we're told constantly that we're "obsessed with independence", despite mentioning it considerably less than the so called "unionist" parties?

We're not booing the subject of independence, we're booing the fact that other parties are hiding behind an anti-independence stance so they don't have to inform people just how shocking their policies would be for Scotland.

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A party whose sole reason for existing is to achieve independence ARE obsessed by it. It is, literally your defining characteristic, your reason for being, your whole poiny in the world.

I habe to say i find this line of argumeny weird from the SNP. The party has stated, in their last two manifestoes that a bote for them is effectively a vote for another referendum.

Yet, other parties are accused of keeping the issue on the agenda, or, shock, of talking about it and opposing it.

Its all a bit doublethink if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

Good post.

I see today that sturgeon had to stop the crowd of activists booing at their manifesto launch, twice, because journalists asked sturgeon questions they didnt like.

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To be fair, I've heard of this happening at events held by most of the political parties during this election campaign. Not that I'm justifying it, I bet Sturgeon was cringing.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

A party whose sole reason for existing is to achieve independence ARE obsessed by it. It is, literally your defining characteristic, your reason for being, your whole poiny in the world.

I habe to say i find this line of argumeny weird from the SNP. The party has stated, in their last two manifestoes that a bote for them is effectively a vote for another referendum.

Yet, other parties are accused of keeping the issue on the agenda, or, shock, of talking about it and opposing it.

Its all a bit doublethink if you ask me.

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Difference being, the SNP actually put out a credible manifesto. Of course the SNP are "obsessed" with independence, they wouldn't be much of a "national" party if they weren't. But they don't base their entire governorship of Scotland on one issue, they talk about other things as well. What other things are Labour or The Conservatives talking about in Scotland? Every single soundbite is about opposing another referendum. They don't want to talk about credible policies, because they have none.

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

Any need for the usual SNP nasty cult chat? You don't put people in their place for that nonsense, you're quite happy to join in.

I'm personally glad she's been booked. Justice was served, she got what she deserved. :smug:

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Find where I have described the SNP as nasty and quote it back to me. People can disagree with your opinions you know. There was no need for your comment, we can at least treat each other with respect here.

I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.

Politics has become a fairly partizan business. In these days of social media, trolls, cyberthis an cyberthat, anyone who sticks their neck out to make a stupid political point should make sure they have their facts right and their nose clean. They also need to have the temperament to deal with the storm that might be stirred up.

The reaction she stirred up was inevitable and she's brought it all on herself.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

A party whose sole reason for existing is to achieve independence ARE obsessed by it. It is, literally your defining characteristic, your reason for being, your whole poiny in the world.

I habe to say i find this line of argumeny weird from the SNP. The party has stated, in their last two manifestoes that a bote for them is effectively a vote for another referendum.

Yet, other parties are accused of keeping the issue on the agenda, or, shock, of talking about it and opposing it.

Its all a bit doublethink if you ask me.

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o/t I realised just now I'm starting to hear your posts mentally delivered in the style of the undercover English polisman in Allo Allo. :greengrin

Isn't Foodbank the name of Malmaison's new restaurant?

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

o/t I realised just now I'm starting to hear your posts mentally delivered in the style of the undercover English polisman in Allo Allo. :greengrin

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That's what ive been going for...!!!

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Originally Posted by Smartie

I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.

Politics has become a fairly partizan business. In these days of social media, trolls, cyberthis an cyberthat, anyone who sticks their neck out to make a stupid political point should make sure they have their facts right and their nose clean. They also need to have the temperament to deal with the storm that might be stirred up.

The reaction she stirred up was inevitable and she's brought it all on herself.

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She made a valid but in a poor way. Big difference.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

o/t I realised just now I'm starting to hear your posts mentally delivered in the style of the undercover English polisman in Allo Allo. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by heretoday

Isn't Foodbank the name of Malmaison's new restaurant?

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Haha there'll be an artisan sandwich shop in Shoreditch called that.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

She made a valid but in a poor way. Big difference.

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She made it all about herself. The problem with that was that she was ultimately lying about herself. I doubt she gives the slightest care in the world how much other nurses get paid to be honest. She's your standard dye in the wool tory. Me me me!

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Originally Posted by Smartie

I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.

Politics has become a fairly partizan business. In these days of social media, trolls, cyberthis an cyberthat, anyone who sticks their neck out to make a stupid political point should make sure they have their facts right and their nose clean. They also need to have the temperament to deal with the storm that might be stirred up.

The reaction she stirred up was inevitable and she's brought it all on herself.

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You've got to take her interaction, in a long list of **** ups by the BBC. Just look at the "question time", plants in the last few months. It's the BBC who should be brought to book by the whole situation. I remember when Donalda Mackinnon promised to put it all right...Right.:rolleyes:

Still waiting on that.

Also appears the "small business owner" who spoke in last night's programme, worried about living wage, corporation tax and VAT on school fees runs a £950,000 turnover operation. He's hardly struggling.

A bit like the outraged nurse, broadcasters have a responsibility not to put contributors into difficulties by enabling them to make daft claims.

All that info is in the public domain.

I raised the situation about the nurse and do think BBC have some questions to answe as they seemed pretty insistent to have her on without verifying her backstory.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

You've got to take her interaction, in a long list of **** ups by the BBC. Just look at the "question time", plants in the last few months. It's the BBC who should be brought to book by the whole situation. I remember when Donalda Mackinnon promised to put it all right...Right.:rolleyes:

Still waiting on that.

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The problem with that is that the main focus of the attack both here and online is on the Nurse as an individual rather than the BBC as an institution. The only people to benefit from continuing to target her are those who want to play the cybernat card. It's such a waste of energy.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

Also appears the "small business owner" who spoke in last night's programme, worried about living wage, corporation tax and VAT on school fees runs a £950,000 turnover operation. He's hardly struggling.

A bit like the outraged nurse, broadcasters have a responsibility not to put contributors into difficulties by enabling them to make daft claims.

All that info is in the public domain.

I raised the situation about the nurse and do think BBC have some questions to answe as they seemed pretty insistent to have her on without verifying her backstory.

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He lost me when he started complaining about VAT on his kids school fees. Corbyn answered him brilliantly.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

The problem with that is that the main focus of the attack both here and online is on the Nurse as an individual rather than the BBC as an institution. The only people to benefit from continuing to target her are those who want to play the cybernat card. It's such a waste of energy.

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The lassie is a political mule, and has been used by someone in the background. The story of Foodbanks, and the colluding BBC has been on most of my social media stuff.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

He lost me when he started complaining about VAT on his kids school fees. Corbyn answered him brilliantly.

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Me too. What a pity, eh?

Corbyn did answer him really well.

I should note that he also is being widely trolled. The problem is not an SNP/Yes one but of social media one and the kind of set-ups the media create for people who become fall guys when the truth is revealed.

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

Difference being, the SNP actually put out a credible manifesto. Of course the SNP are "obsessed" with independence, they wouldn't be much of a "national" party if they weren't. But they don't base their entire governorship of Scotland on one issue, they talk about other things as well. What other things are Labour or The Conservatives talking about in Scotland? Every single soundbite is about opposing another referendum. They don't want to talk about credible policies, because they have none.

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:agree: 100%.

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

She made it all about herself. The problem with that was that she was ultimately lying about herself.

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Yup. Question Time is presented as being an on-air opportunity for ordinary people to confront politicians with their own personal concerns and opinions.

NOT as a manipulated political pantomime where the BBC plant stooges like the "struggling small businessman" in the audience to embarrass the invited speakers.

If the nurse in question had put her question as relating to her work-colleagues and the difficulties those who're lower-paid were suffering - fine. Portraying herself as victim deserving sympathy - NOT fine.

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Originally Posted by lucky

The hounding of a nurse continues. When are SNP supporters going to realise that others are entitled to opinions whether you like them or not.

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Not if they're seeking to support those opinions with lies and misrepresentation, surely?

Truth in politics not on the Labour agenda, then? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by steakbake

Also appears the "small business owner" who spoke in last night's programme, worried about living wage, corporation tax and VAT on school fees runs a £950,000 turnover operation. He's hardly struggling.

A bit like the outraged nurse, broadcasters have a responsibility not to put contributors into difficulties by enabling them to make daft claims.

All that info is in the public domain.

I raised the situation about the nurse and do think BBC have some questions to answe as they seemed pretty insistent to have her on without verifying her backstory.

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Thats not a big turnover, but i think CWG will be better to comment.

What difference would it make anyway? The questiob is either a good one or a bad one surely?

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Originally Posted by steakbake

Me too. What a pity, eh?

Corbyn did answer him really well.

I should note that he also is being widely trolled. The problem is not an SNP/Yes one but of social media one and the kind of set-ups the media create for people who become fall guys when the truth is revealed.

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Agree with this. Why these people dont just log off for a few days is beyond me.