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14-07-2013, 09:49 PM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

Read it again, I mention Labour and I am well aware that unfortunately we in this country have a misguided love affair with them for some reason. In my lifetime we have been mostly governed by Tories (unelected in Scotland)and Tony Blairs party of almost Tories ( not really what Scotland wanted form a Labour government). None of these have been good for Scotland in any way.

You read your own post again. You said we were continually governed by parties we didn't vote for then moaned about us voting for Labour. How many years were they in power for again?
Some of us dinosaurs still believe that the Labour movement wasn't a bad ideal to follow despite the Blair years.
As an aside though if Salmond had the guts to offer us proper Independence I would vote for it. He hasn't though, an open goal and he looks like kicking it over the bar.
14-07-2013, 09:49 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

I never said it was undemocratic. But it is tragically unfair. England does not need to have it's own election as by default the party who wins the battles in England will become the party of government, therefore they get a government that they voted for while we do not.. You only have to look at the last 40 years when Scotland continues to return 50ish Labour seats. It was only when they became more attractive to England that they got in power

And yet you'd have us move to the SNPs vision of independence where we still rely on the UK government for currency, pensions, possibly military amongst many other things yet we surrender any power that we do have within the UK government.

Madness.
14-07-2013, 09:55 PM
Treadstone

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

And yet you'd have us move to the SNPs vision of independence where we still rely on the UK government for currency, pensions, possibly military amongst many other things yet we surrender any power that we do have within the UK government.

Madness.

Why would we want any power in the 'UK' government if we became an independent nation ?
14-07-2013, 09:57 PM
weecounty hibby

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

However the SNP would like to see us go independant where we would have to rely more heavily on our banking sector than nearly any other EU country. This is the strategy that left Ireland and Iceland in huge trouble.

You may not like Labour but the SNP would put hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk in a catastrophic way.

Two things. 1. I never said I dislike Labour. In an independent Scotland I would most likely vote for a Socialist party, something like the way Labour used to be. 2. I don't know where you get figures like hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk, that is the kind of scare mongering I would expect from the unionist parties and really has no foundation. The banking sector is hugely important to Scotland and should be controlled better than it has been since Labours deregulation to curry favour with the get rich quick south of England.The only people who have Scotlands interest at heart are Scottish people. If a Westminster government has a choice between a Scottish job or an English job to be lost it will be the Scots who are on the dole first.
14-07-2013, 10:00 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

Two things. 1. I never said I dislike Labour. In an independent Scotland I would most likely vote for a Socialist party, something like the way Labour used to be. 2. I don't know where you get figures like hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk, that is the kind of scare mongering I would expect from the unionist parties and really has no foundation. The banking sector is hugely important to Scotland and should be controlled better than it has been since Labours deregulation to curry favour with the get rich quick south of England.The only people who have Scotlands interest at heart are Scottish people. If a Westminster government has a choice between a Scottish job or an English job to be lost it will be the Scots who are on the dole first.

If you look at the affect that a recession has on any country with a large banking sector, however much regulation is in place, the result is utterly catastrophic.

The best people to run Scotland are those with the best policies. That is in no way the SNP who want to run Scotland to boost Fat Eck's out of control ego.
14-07-2013, 10:01 PM
jabis

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Originally Posted by vuefrom1875

Coming to terms with the embarrassment of last Sunday's performance from' King Eck' at Wimbledon....(didn't someone tell him Andy Murray has Hibs leanings) he sure did surpass himself today after Phil Michelson won the scot.open..almost bust his enormous gut to get his big mush in for the television/cameras...the man is a complete and utter publicity fan#y..GGTTH!

unlike yourself.
14-07-2013, 10:01 PM
weecounty hibby

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Originally Posted by marinello59

You read your own post again. You said we were continually governed by parties we didn't vote for then moaned about us voting for Labour. How many years were they in power for again?
Some of us dinosaurs still believe that the Labour movement wasn't a bad ideal to follow despite the Blair years.
As an aside though if Salmond had the guts to offer us proper Independence I would vote for it. He hasn't though, an open goal and he looks like kicking it over the bar.

I too believe in the Labour ethos and always have done. I just want it to be in an independent Scotland so that when I vote Labour I know that if in Scotland they get the most votes they will be in power. Right now they get the most votes and are powerless. What would you see as proper independence?
14-07-2013, 10:03 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by Treadstone

Why would we want any power in the 'UK' government if we became an independent nation ?

Because we'd still be sharing the pound (and have no say in policies that would affect it), pensions (and have no say in policies affecting that) and all the other things that the SNP would still want to share with the UK in an "independent" Scotland.

Fat Eck is more and more resembling the protagonist in the movie Network.
14-07-2013, 10:05 PM
weecounty hibby

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

If you look at the affect that a recession has on any country with a large banking sector, however much regulation is in place, the result is utterly catastrophic.

The best people to run Scotland are those with the best policies. That is in no way the SNP who want to run Scotland to boost Fat Eck's out of control ego.

That's just nonsense and you know it. Does he have an ego? Yes. Do I wish sometimes he didn't? Yes. Does the SNP run as a party just to boost that ego.Of course it doesn't!! What utter utter nonsense.
14-07-2013, 10:07 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

That's just nonsense and you know it. Does he have an ego? Yes. Do I wish sometimes he didn't? Yes. Does the SNP run as a party just to boost that ego.Of course it doesn't!! What utter utter nonsense.

I don't see why else they'd be running with such ridiculous half baked "policies"...
14-07-2013, 10:09 PM
Treadstone

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Because we'd still be sharing the pound (and have no say in policies that would affect it), pensions (and have no say in policies affecting that) and all the other things that the SNP would still want to share with the UK in an "independent" Scotland.

Fat Eck is more and more resembling the protagonist in the movie Network.

What say in the £ and pensions do they currently get ?
14-07-2013, 10:11 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by Treadstone

What say in the £ and pensions do they currently get ?

As it stands Scotland votes MPs into the house of commons who can then vote on all proposals.

If we go "independent" we lose that ability to do so.

So your answer is 100% more than if we voted "Yes" in the referendum.
14-07-2013, 10:11 PM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

That's just nonsense and you know it. Does he have an ego? Yes. Do I wish sometimes he didn't? Yes. Does the SNP run as a party just to boost that ego.Of course it doesn't!! What utter utter nonsense.

I will agree with you there. The SNP has a lot of talented members. Salmond had become overly dominate though. Sturgeon must secretly despair at some of his recent actions.
14-07-2013, 10:14 PM
weecounty hibby

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

I don't see why else they'd be running with such ridiculous half baked "policies"...

Good comeback! You are almost sounding like the unionist politicians. Labour and Tories are all Yah boo sucks politics. They have no real positives but will decry the policies of others. They all ran negative campaigns in the last Scottish elections while the SNP were positive and outlined what they were going to do that would be good rather than what the others did and just criticised every one elses opinions and policies. And look what happened.
14-07-2013, 10:16 PM
Treadstone

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

As it stands Scotland votes MPs into the house of commons who can then vote on all proposals.

If we go "independent" we lose that ability to do so.

So your answer is 100% more than if we voted "Yes" in the referendum.

Last part doesn't make sense. 100% more ?

90% of Scottish MPs voted against the 'bedroom tax'.
14-07-2013, 10:16 PM
Northernhibee

What saddens me is that the Commonwealth Games next year is something that Scotland may well have been proud of.

With the timing of the referendum being right after that there is little doubt in my mind that Fat Eck will turn a great sporting event into a several week long manifesto to support his half baked views, desparately hoping to ride on the coattails of our athletes, irrelevant to their views on independence. Any event where we look as if we could win gold I'll bet he's there presenting the medals, waving flags about in a desperate attempt to get a similar reaction that the Olympics received.

The Commonwealth Games in Glasgow is set to go down as a total embarrasment IMO and I'll be surprised if I'm wrong.
14-07-2013, 10:17 PM
jabis

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Because we'd still be sharing the pound (and have no say in policies that would affect it), pensions (and have no say in policies affecting that) and all the other things that the SNP would still want to share with the UK in an "independent" Scotland.

Fat Eck is more and more resembling the protagonist in the movie Network.

was going to give a reasoned response to this ,until I read the last sentence,so in the spirit of the post.......

......PEE.

it's a scottish word..........means PISH !
14-07-2013, 10:18 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by Treadstone

Last part doesn't make sense. 100% more ?

90% of Scottish MPs voted against the 'bedroom tax'.

Then what would be wrong with the propsals of "devolution plus" where would have the ability to overturn the bedroom tax within the Scottish parliament and yet still have a say in the proposals within the UK parliament that affect us?
14-07-2013, 10:22 PM
weecounty hibby

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Originally Posted by Treadstone

Last part doesn't make sense. 100% more ?

90% of Scottish MPs voted against the 'bedroom tax'.

And that is the big issue. These Scottish MP are not members of the governing party are unlikely to be so whenever it is any other party than Labour. We have decisions being made in our country by people whose party are an irrelevance in Scotland but by sheer weight of numbers they govern us
14-07-2013, 10:25 PM
Treadstone

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Then what would be wrong with the propsals of "devolution plus" where would have the ability to overturn the bedroom tax within the Scottish parliament and yet still have a say in the proposals within the UK parliament that affect us?

Why not independence then ? Control over all policies by members voted for by people of Scotland. Accountability to electorate of Scotland.
14-07-2013, 10:26 PM
weecounty hibby

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

What saddens me is that the Commonwealth Games next year is something that Scotland may well have been proud of.

With the timing of the referendum being right after that there is little doubt in my mind that Fat Eck will turn a great sporting event into a several week long manifesto to support his half baked views, desparately hoping to ride on the coattails of our athletes, irrelevant to their views on independence. Any event where we look as if we could win gold I'll bet he's there presenting the medals, waving flags about in a desperate attempt to get a similar reaction that the Olympics received.

The Commonwealth Games in Glasgow is set to go down as a total embarrasment IMO and I'll be surprised if I'm wrong.

So David Cameron was an embarrassment to England/Britain at the Olympics, Wimbledon etc? You are talking rubbish again. You have a hatred for AS as we can all see by your cute little nickname for him. politicians will get involved with anything they feel is positive and a good news story and that is why they want to be seen with gold medal winners and successful sportsmen and women
17-07-2013, 12:34 AM
Frazerbob

Salmond has turned down his invite to the Open this week due to Muirfield's men only policy. Attention seeking bam! 😉
17-07-2013, 05:58 AM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by AberGreen

Salmond has turned down his invite to the Open this week due to Muirfield's men only policy. Attention seeking bam! 

Good on him! If the club had an official White only or Protestant only policy would you still say he was only seeking attention?
17-07-2013, 07:19 AM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by AberGreen

Salmond has turned down his invite to the Open this week due to Muirfield's men only policy. Attention seeking bam! 

Well done Eck.
If he would take an equally hard line stance against Golf fashion then he would have my full support.
17-07-2013, 11:00 AM
Frazerbob

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Good on him! If the club had an official White only or Protestant only policy would you still say he was only seeking attention?

The attention seeking bam bit was sarcasm. Just getting in before the haters did.
17-07-2013, 12:01 PM
allmodcons

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Originally Posted by AberGreen

The attention seeking bam bit was sarcasm. Just getting in before the haters did.

There are a number

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php...hone-call-kaye

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