ask his ex all about his vice like grips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
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ask his ex all about his vice like grips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
Aye very good :rolleyes: I'm talking about his alcohloism!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia Na Eir
I feel sorry for him, of course I do. He is guilty of only one thing and that is suffering from a terrible disease. I am sure when he does eventually pass there will be plenty of remorseful comments made by the same folk with the £&@k him attitude that they are showing tonight. I would to wish his situation / life on anyone. He has tried and failed to recover, I hope his next attempt is successful.
Can we stop the pish that because its an "Illness" this condones battering his wife. There are millions of people out there with alcohol problems who are genuinely nice people. Gazza is a grade a trumpet who's not only abused his own body but others too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion Hibs
Yes it's a horrible disease I've seen it first hand myself. Doesn't mean I have to feel sorry for him after Christ knows how many attempts folk have tried to help. He's been very fortunate to have had the best care money can buy while other alcoholics don't get anywhere near the amount of help he's had.
Do I wish death? Course not? Not in a million years. Will I take back anything I've said though about him if it happens? No!!
He's a ******** of a man that a lot of folk are getting tired of hearing the same stories about him. I'd leave him alone now let him do what he feels like.
sums it up correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thecat23
Hes had a gid life, lots of cash, fame, burds half the folk on here would swap places
It's his life let him get on with it.
What I'd like to know are the odds on him outliving the **** of Midlothian.
Hope they lock him up and throw away the key. No room for wife beaters on planet Earth
Each to their own but there is no way I would swap places with one of Gazza's girlfriends.Quote:
Originally Posted by HadALineWiGarry
Good life?Quote:
Originally Posted by HadALineWiGarry
Have you actually ever read anything about his childhood?
If you have then obviously our definition of a good life differs.
Or husband beatersQuote:
Originally Posted by SmallvilleHibee
Especially husband beaters:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by leither#1
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Originally Posted by Thecat23
Spot on
Why has he not been jailed?
Surely a stretch in the clink would be good for him. Cold turkey, and access to treatment.
J
Sympathy for alky's or smackheads? Not from here, its a lifestyle choice as far as I'm concerned and the last time I checked, having an illness or disease wasn't a choice!!
Cold turkey. End of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
If it was an illness or disease, you could see it in blood tests, or under a microscope. It is a lifestyle choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thecat23
It's funny, no matter how bad these people's illness becomes, they still manage to stumble on till their next drinking bout.
Maybe a short spell in chokey would finally make Gascoigne face up to the fact that he isn't a special person, and that the same rules apply to him as everyone else.
So addiction is a lifestyle choice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Alcoholism is medically considered a disease is it not?
Cheese. :agree:
Ersehole when he's sober, bigger ersehole when he's pished. A lot of people would have been glad of the help he's had.
He's just a waste of skin and oxygen.
It's not an illness, that's for sure. But by calling it an illness it turns the sufferer into someone who has no control over the situation. It's no more a disease than jealousy or loneliness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
By making them ill, we take away their control over the situation. It's not his fault, it's the booze. If he murders someone whilst drunk, does it take away his responsibility?
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Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
It's medically considered a disease from what I have read about it!
When he was younger he came across as more than just a wee bit simple. I wonder now where the actual value in these stories are because it has been a long time since it was footballer gets drunk and now it is drunk gets drunk.
But medial science and fact have no place on .net!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
I've read quite a lot about illness as well. It's fair to say that there is mixed opinion. It's a matter of doing the scientific thing, and looking at the evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
There is no evidence that it is a disease, other than the subjective opinions of some doctors. A profession that has failed woefully to make any headway in treating the pseudo illness they invented.
Doctors would like to call it a disease, so that they can then treat it. The fact is it meets none of the criteria whereby you can call something a disease. Probably the reason there is no medical intervention that has worked.
There is no drug that can cure it, no surgery that can cure it, there is no bacillus or virus or physiological malfunction that can be shown to cause it. Yet doctors still say its a disease.
Tells you a lot about doctors.
At the end of the day it's about responsibility and choice. If someone rapes a six year old when they are drunk, do they have an excuse. If someone crashes their car during an epileptic fit, do they have an excuse.
People need to get away from using medicine a reason for their badness or stupidity. Saying Gascoigne, or any other drunk, has an excuse, is like saying they are possessed by the devil.
Society has more to worry about than cleaning up the wreckage of those that will not take responsibility for their actions. The medical profession is creating more illnesses every year, using science as a justification, yet failing to provide any scientific evidence.
Sorry, you have scientific evidence that this is a disease? I'll see your (as yet) unnamed source, and raise you Thomas Sasz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion Hibs
Just because a man in a white coat says you are ill, doesn't mean you are.
Wow ex hun / hun gets drunk and batters his wife ! never thought i would see that happen
Fair enough, I'm not an expert and your post raises some very valid points with regards to it being a disease, I am only basing my opinions on what I have read on the subject of it being a disease, I have never really looked in to the counter argument. It's quotes similar to this one that I have often read and accepted:Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”
I will now look at the counter argument in more detail :aok:
Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that alcoholics don't suffer. It's just that by medicalising it, it removes the persons free will. That in turn, leads them to miss the point that how they live with the addiction is in their own hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
IMO, making it an illness has been disastrous for those afflicted. At the same time, doctors have shown very little progress in curing the illness they invented.
As for Gascoigne, maybe one day the penny will drop that actions have consequences. So far, he has been allowed to play the victim. There comes a time when some balance has to come into things, and we start to focus on those harmed by his behaviour.
Maybe a spell in jail will bring it home to him that if he behaves in a certain way, he had to take the fall out. Just now, he plays the sick card. It wasn't so long ago his excuse was that he is bi polar.
He is nothing more than a drunk. And a poor role model for others who refuse to grow up.
There is no doubt in my mind, If this thread was about W Hamilton, G Best or some of the other poor buggers who have fell victim to this Illness, there would be a lot more sympathy shown. Scouse Hibee and the other lads who have shown they can look beyond the fact he once played for Rangers, well done to you, for showing real Hibs class.
What's playing for Rangers got to do with it? He battered his wife, had the best care money can buy. Other alcoholics would do anything for that help. He's thrown it back at everyone. He's an arse of a man simple as that and if he had played for Hibs he'd still be an arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeithBoozy