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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
https://x.com/tvcritics/status/17129...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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Reuters journalist killed on the Lebanese border yesterday and now a convoy heading south in Gaza has been hit with many dead.
Israel doing what Israel does.
3 BBC reporters were stopped and assaulted by Israeli Police last night as well. Provided their press ID and car was clearly marked as press.
It was the BBC Arabic service so I suppose that makes it ok in the mental discourse of the last few days.
Has there been any polling on the Isreal-Palestine issue? I don’t detect that much support for Isreal these days? Maybe it’s just the people I know.
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If you support peace, what do you support? I don’t have a horse in this race other than not wanting people to die.
I've only seen support for Israel most probably because they were attacked without warning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I don't know what Hamas were trying to achieve by the attack. I can't condone it regardless of my political opinion on the whole situation.
I’d say they have probably achieved their objectives. The world is once again looking at the Palestinians plight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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Yes. Before this week I didn't know there was a Nakba Day. Though I suspect many will now just be thinking Palestinians=Terrorists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
After being told by every western media outlet that that is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Good podcast, ta. Think some of the responsibility for strife there lies with Hitler and his chums.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
Matt Frei on Ch4 News has noticeably not been taking that line, so not quite every outlet. And Yousaf has been good when he's been speaking. But agree with your general point.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
The BBC has been criticised all week for not referring to Hamas as terrorists.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
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Starmer having to U-turn. It’s good I guess but the fact that his first instinct is to support war crimes is worrying.
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I think there is a narrative presented that killing by people in uniform is more palatable than killing by those not. In reality any civilian death should be treate for the appalling act it is. Anyone with a semblance of empathy surely condemns the actions of Hamas last weekend. It was indiscriminate, it was savage and it was carried out with a cold and ruthless detachment that is utterly chilling. However the figures speak for themselves, since last weekend more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis and the number is going to grow exponentially on only one side now. The last time elections were held in Gaza 58% of the population voted for Hamas. Today the majority of the population is under 18 with a whopping 41% under 14. There is no way of knowing what these people feel about their leadership because they have never had a say. Yet their deaths, because with the demographics of Gaza it stands to reason many of the near 1500 dead will be these children, is almost seen as unpalatable but acceptable (by some) because it's retaliatory. We are seeing war crimes play out with approval, and not even tacit approval, from the leaders of the UK, EU and US among others. Calling for humanitarian aid is all very well but the situation would be better served by calls for restraint from Israel and an insistence they act within international law. Cutting off water and electricity is collective punishment and that is illegal. Ordering 1.1M people to evacuate in a 48 hour window is a death sentence for those unable to do so for various legitimate reasons. That's collective punishment and illegal. Attacking convoys as they leave on said safe routes is illegal. Attacking and even killing marked journalists is illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Interestingly when he swept back to power Netanyahu spoke quite openly about having to get money into the hands of Hamas, to empower Hamas and to embolden them. His desire was to drive an even greater wedge between Palestinians in the West Bank and Palestinians in Gaza. Whilst I would stop short of saying he welcomed last weekend attacks, I'm sure he will welcome the opportunity to exploit them. He has 'just cause' to obliterate Gaza now. It will be uninhabitable by this time next week and once the Palestinian populace leaves they won't be coming back. He knows in the West Bank he can continue to occupy territory with impunity.
We are on the verge of seeing 2M+ people killed or displaced. Hamas have played into Netanyahu's hands and I don't see him missing the opportunity. The bigger question is what the reasoning was of those who funded and equipped this Hamas attack (Israel themselves aside).
A convoy of vehicles has been blown up by the IDF. A 2 and 5 year old along the victims.
I’ve deleted my Twitter account, it’s just too much.
The problem is Israel are already breaking International law, and have been doing so for decades. It's calling them out that's the hard part and I see nothing here that suggests he will do so as PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He won't do anything bar the usual lip service.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
What Hamas did was despicable. What Israel is about to do is going to be 100 times worse but our country will stand by and support it.
Isreal have been committing war crimes consistently for a decade. Regardless after 1200 of its citizens were murdered by Hamas, Isreal has the right to destroy them. They should only target military targets, although they won't. They also need humanitarian corridors and aid to get in, that won't happen either. It's complicated by Egypt building border walls to keep them out, they don't want Hamas entering when they have spent a decade destroying their own version.
Hamas needs separated from the people of Gaza and the Isreali army from Israeli's and Jews. In a poll in the Jerusalem Post Isreali's wanted retribution against Hamas but 2 thirds also blamed Netanyahu so hopefully he can get removed and his right wing bile ended.
IDF claim it was a Hamas booby trap on the road. There were no Israeli bombs in that area at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/cha...m_medium=email
Why Gaza is what it is.
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https://x.com/skynews/status/1713561...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Water getting turned back on.
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The fact it's mentioned that Joe Biden was involved in the decision is hopefully a hint that the US has intimated to Israel they can't just do what they want with complete impunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Turning the water back on is a small step but a good one even if it is mental we are almost praising a country for allowing the most basic of human rights.
It’s only been turned back on in the south apparently to encourage them to all move south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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https://x.com/charlie533080/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Thread worth a read.
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More than a 1000 Palestinian children killed so far.
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So, so depressingly predictable. And we wil stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel while they kill many more and forcibly displace hundreds of thousands more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
So much for not targeting innocents. Shameful, predictable, avoidable and supported by many in the west. As has been the case for many years, under the guise of “ defending ourselves”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Give @sentdefender a follow on Twitter. Some horrific open source videos on there from last weekend.
There’s no winners in this war of attrition. Hamas don’t give a flying one about civilians on either side, Israel will simply claim civilian deaths are a consequence of war.
Joe Biden due to visit various Middle Eastern states, there needs to be a clear plan drawn up to allow both sides to live in peace but I’m not convinced Biden has the power to make it happen. Always comes across as being a bit soft when it comes to negotiations. The release of Viktor Bout being an example.
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BBC said at the weekend that marches on the UK showing solidarity with Palestinians were pro Hamas. It’s no longer an organisation that can be trusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
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Meanwhile the pro Isreal side of social media are claiming that the BBC is pro hamas / anti Isreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
They generally are pretty balanced and factual in their reporting and get slated from both sides for doing so.
What’s factual about labelling support for Palestinians as supporting Hamas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
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I haven’t seen the article, got a link?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Where have you been for the last 10 years?? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
People see what they want to see and take things out of context to suit their own agenda. The BBC does a good job with things like this as they are doing again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
We must listen to different BBC news channels then if you think thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Labelling people pro Hamas for marching against the bombing of Gaza is not doing a good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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I’ve still not seen the link to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I've not seen them say the marchers were pro Hamas. People are complaining that the BBC are refusing to call Hamas terrorist and the attack on Israel a terrorist attack, they are using Militant apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/...dxJXScFNwz8V4AQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
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So it’s not stating that people who were marching against the bombing are pro Hamas. Exact words are
“Several demonstrations across Britain during which people voiced their backing for Hamas”
Factualy accurate then: individual people at demonstrations across Britain did voice support for Hamas.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/woman...otest-12983969
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2429995.html
https://www.removepaywall.com/article/current
Don't know all the rights and wrongs but watching the bbc news on Sunday, both Israeli IDF and Palestinian spokesmen were annoyed at the tone of the BBC questioning
I know you think you saw this but I can’t find the evidence. Do you have a link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Edit.. Link you did provide didn’t show that had happened.
https://x.com/bedier/status/17143210...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
BBC apology.
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Originally Posted by Paul1642
TBF, I can see why some people are annoyed about that, as it's worded in such a way that it could be interpreted as saying that was the purpose of the protests.
I'm not suggesting that was their intention, but I do feel it's badly worded.
reportedly 500 killed in israeli airstrike on a hospital .... Isreal "looking into it"...This is just sickening
Where was this? I listen to 5 Live all the time and never heard such nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yep very duplicitous wording. Typical beebQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Unfortunately I think this is only the beginning of Israel’s genocide of the Palestinian people in GazaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalianwanda
All western leaders fully backing Israel should be taken to the site of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalianwanda
El Ghazi, ex Villa and Everton, released by Mainz after posting a pro Palestine insta story.
IDF claiming the hospital blast was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch.
Failed Hamas rocket..... leftover Hamas bobby trapQuote:
Originally Posted by tamig
I smell......well.
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Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc
This is mentioned in a number of newspapers but none of them have said what he posted.
It would be interesting to know what that was before deciding if his club's decision was acceptable, or an over-reaction.
Even if it turns out the attack is a failed rocket launch by Palestine Jihad then the job is done. Hamas calling it out as an Israeli air strike is what all Islamic countries will believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I think they are claiming he posted from the river to the sea Palestine will be free, which basically means no IsrealQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Humza comes out to condem isreal for the war crime.
Isreal say they have the evidence it was a failed rocket attack on Isreal by Hamas.
Most osint accounts on twitter who have no skin in the game are saying it looks like a failed rocket. Lots of videos but I'll wait until they analyse more before I'd say. Horrible tragedy regardless and it'll be one of many regardless
Horrible human tragedy regardless of who is to blame :(
Whoever is proven to be responsible has committed a horrendous atrocity as well as a colossal political own goal.
The OSNIT page that I have been following now seems pretty certain that it’s been a Hamas missile that caused the hospital deaths (they have been pretty spot on with all reporting so far). It is also now reporting 2 minutes ago that the IDF northern command is braced for an imminent attack from Southern Lebanon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
As if it was even possible this war looks like potentially taking a turn for the worse tonight and potentially based on completely false information (although Hezbollah have probably been waiting for their moment to join since the start). Horrendous and as always it’s the civilians who will suffer worst on all sides :(
That will be like the evidence they had that Hamas beheaded children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Isreal claim it was an Islamic Jihad group, not Hamas
They’ve now released the intercepted audio.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
Both sides will blame the other the best bet is to ignore them and listen to independent investigators.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
I think Corbyn and Yousaf were daft to blame Israel. Although it could be Israel it would be better to say its a tragedy and were waiting for the evidence.
Israel have plenty war crimes on their hands if you blame them for something that wasn't them it gives them an excuse for the atrocities they cause.
Biden has just said the evidence points to Hamas misfire.
I'd say every osint accounts are analysing it was a Hamas misfire
Nathan Russer of bellingcat has been helping shine a light on isreali war crimes well before this war. He says he thinks it was a misfire and dubious of 500 dead from the limited damage. Probably not best to believe what terrorists say as gospel
https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1714535497958334678
Here's a run down of last night and a video of the misfire
https://twitter.com/talhagin/status/1714416463136559592
Hospital building isn't badly damaged this morning just some glass and also no crater
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...25590873575600
I agree with this there will be no backtracking people are too divided, the damage is done and escalation will happen.
OSINTtechnical
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Honestly a bunch of people are going to have to come to terms with the fact that they fell victim to incredibly weak propaganda that was unintentionally refuted by the source in a convincing manner less than 12 hours later
Oh who am I kidding there’s absolutely no way they will
I’m sure that could easily be set up to look however they want it to look.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigKev
Or anything the Isreali state says. They have been murdering men, women and children for years whilst terrorising the Palestinian community and lying about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Which “independent” investigators do you recommend?
I like bellingcat. They have uncovered or disproved lots of war crimes, especially US, UK, Isreali and Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
They done amazing work when Isreal murdered journalists Shireen Abu Akleh and tried to cover it up. They basically do online detective work, use satellite imagery, phone videos and geolocation ect.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2022/05/14/unravelling-the-killing-of-shireen-abu-akleh/
I don't believe most of what governments say whether that is Russia, Ukraine, Isreal or UK. Fortunately due to the above info like satellite imagery being open access, it's harder for governments to lie, although they still will even if the evidence is clear
Yep and two of the 3 I posted above have proven dozens of Isreali war crimes in the face of Isreali pressure and disinformationQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
Some people don’t want to hear independent analysis. They want the side that fits their narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://x.com/peston/status/17146021...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Flynn calls for cease fire.
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What is disturbing, as shown by Bellingcat, is the amount of absolute nonsense that is posted on X, formerly twitter. I no longer use X, it is a cesspit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It's got worse. But it's easy to just follow legitimate journalists and organisations. If a random shares on twitter you have to automatically check the source yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
The problem is there is no alternative site. The big media companies basically just share what they get from twitter. It was too important a site to give to Musk.
I keep seeing folk say stuff like that, from my experience it's no different now to how it's ever beenQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
He was another one who jumped in a bit and just took a terrorist organisation at its word saying "It is very difficult to understand why a hospital was targeted". Although I agree with the humanitarian ceasefireQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Humza doubled down today saying we need to prove it but then says but then says "it was a complete breach of international law the targeting of a hospital." He says it need condemned in the fullest, it does even if its Hamas. He's obviously stressed and too close to the situation, but we don't need Hamas words parroted to the nation.
https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1714538375296815122
Although even American Osint accounts are saying the BBC was hopeless in jumping in.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714472065208602639
It's clearly a tragedy either way. I fear it will embolden isreal to deny the rest of the war crimes they will no doubt commit in the next year
You wonder what Isreal think it will achieve? What is their end game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Fulfill perceived Biblical prophecy and be the fulcrum of the Apocalypse?Quote:
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The 3 men who make up their war cabinet would happily see the destruction of all things Palestinian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
How do you stop an ideology, how did America do crushing the taliban. The difference is America half pretended it wanted to set up a fair state once they left. Isreal barely acknowledges Palestinians right to exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
They aren't going to achieve anything, but their voters want retribution. I don't understand what Hamas were thinking although escalation probably suits
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
OK, that's unfortunate.
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Originally Posted by BigKev
https://x.com/alextomo/status/1714670858914894046?s=20Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
Several experts confirm Hamas’ view to @Channel4News that the audio tape of “Hamas” operatives talking about the missile malfunction is a fake . They say the tone, syntax, accent and idiom are absurd.
Will we see a UN resolution demanding a ceasefire?
Biden is due to visit Israel today and Guterres in Egypt on Thursday, surely diplomatic leverage will have some influence on both sides?
"The UN Special Coordinator and I are engaging with leaders in the region to express our concern, our outrage, and to advance efforts to avoid any spillover to the wider Middle East. This most recent violence does not come in a vacuum. The reality is that it grows out of a long-standing conflict, with a 56-year long occupation, and no political end in sight. It’s time to end this vicious circle of bloodshed, hatred and polarization. — ANTÓNIO GUTERRES"
https://www.un.org/sg/en?_gl=1%2Au3n...NDU3NS4wLjAuMA..
We need more of that kind of talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
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US government Spokesperson says pentagon independently assessed it was misfire rocket from Hamas. Bellingcat says the crater is under 30cm deep and doesn't look like it's from an Isreali jdam.
Adrienne Watson
@NSC_Spox
"While we continue to collect information, our current assessment, based on analysis of overhead imagery, intercepts and open source information, is that Israel is not responsible for the explosion at the hospital in Gaza yesterday."
John Burn Murdoch from the FT says in a thread that the mainstream media got it wrong partly because none of them have OSINT teams, like I've mentioned today
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...48538746118265
Some quick thoughts on why large parts of the mainstream media keep slipping up on Gaza/Israel (and why it was the same at times with Covid):
The main reason is a failure to keep pace with modern news gathering techniques, but there’s more.
With the proliferation of photos/footage, satellite imagery and map data, forensic video/image analysis and geolocation (~OSINT) has clearly been a key news gathering technique for several years now. A key news gathering technique *completely absent from most newsrooms*.
Obviously not every journalist should be an OSINT specialist, just as not every journalist is a specialist in combing through financial accounts, or scraping websites, or doing undercover investigations. But any large news org should have *some* OSINT specialists
Some of the biggest international news orgs now do have OSINT teams (or similar). @washingtonpost calls theirs “visual forensics”, @nytimes and @FT go with “visual investigations”. But most news orgs, even large ones, still don’t.
This means that when you have events unfolding rapidly amid a fog of war, most news orgs are still completely reliant on what they’re told by their sources. This isn’t ideal at the best of times, but especially so when different sources are clearly motivated to mislead.
It was the same during Covid, when everyone was quoting officials talking about things that could easily be checked and sometimes debunked by someone capable of doing their own data analysis. But there weren’t enough of those skills in newsrooms, so unchecked claims abounded.
Even when newsrooms have built up these resources (whether OSINT or data) the newness of those teams means there’s some initial wariness about relying on new people (often young and not from traditional journalism backgrounds, so considered outsiders) for massive news lines.
The result is most mainstream news orgs today are either simply not equipped to determine for themselves what’s happening in some of the world’s biggest stories, or lack the confidence to allow their in-house technical specialists to cast doubt on a star reporter’s trusted source
So you end up with situations where huge, respected news organisations are reporting as fact things that have already been shown by technically adept news gatherers outside newsrooms to be false or at the very least highly uncertain. It’s hugely damaging to trust in journalism.
Even without an in-house OSINT team, organisations like @bellingcat and @airwars have been around for almost a decade now to assist. With a situation like Gaza/Israel, any time you’re getting a comment from an official spokesperson, you should also be getting a comment from OSINT
Of course, news orgs also don’t help themselves by insisting on coming out with definitive takes immediately.
I obviously get the desire to be first, and the instinctive dislike of ambiguity.
But in situations like this, surely it’s better to be second and definitively correct?
Plus, with the sheer amount of footage these days, and the number of OSINT specialists combing through it, we’re often only talking about waiting a few hours.
I’m sure mainstream media will catch up, but it needs to happen fast in order to retain trust and even relevance, or readers will go elsewhere.
“According to a spokesperson” just doesn’t really cut it when the primary evidence is right there.
Beyond OSINT, I think the overarching issue is:
There’s an implicit assumption in most of journalism that the only way to find out what’s happening is to ask someone.
For years now it’s been possible to do better than that, but the industry has not fully taken this on board.
One final thought:
Fact-checks after the fact are inherently limited. “A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on”.
Forensic, investigative, truth-seeking work should be a proactive part of breaking news coverage, not a reactive add-on afterwards
An hour after Biden arrive Isreal has said they will open a humanitarian corridor and the US has announced $100 in aid. Hopefully he keeps up the pressure, perhaps one of the few they will listen tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The aid will only be allowed to come in through Egypt , not from the Israeli side of the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Bit disappointed to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Ha ffs. Would still be more than Isreal tbfQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Smacks of bull that. Israel basically did it let’s create some doubt and Joe toes the line. Get tae with that nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I don't think there is doubt most now say its looking like a Hamas mistake. There's multiple videos geolocated showing a failed rocket including from Al jezera live. The crater is tiny. No buildings are really damaged apart from broken glass. No wreckage of the missle.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
I wouldn't believe Israel for a second. But why would bellingcat spend 10 years highlighting hundreds of Isreali war crimes including this week, just to switch now.
Some people don't care what evidence comes out they just stick to what they want to have happened. Isreal literally switched off the water to Gaza this week brutal, why is the hill people are dying on information from terrorists
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
The same reason people die on the information from the Israeli hill. It suits their agenda. Hamas are proscribed as terrorists, the Israeli army is called a “defence force”. That is the view most of the west would like to be accepted, others may see it differently.
People that believe either Hamas or Isreal are half daft imo. I can understand the people that are too far gone and are on either side of the argument and won't move, it's the people that are usually objective that won't budge no matter the evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
It's like Tommy Sheridan constantly bigged up bellingcat and shared all their info on US war crimes in Iraq and Isreali war crimes. Then when they started sharing all their info on Russian war crimes he says they are NATO mouthpieces, baffling.
Satellite imagery from before and after show minimal damage to the buildings, solar panels intact. Many news agencies said the hospital was destroyed it's clearly not true. I think too many want to be first with the news
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...28700477219017
In real news of Isreali evil. Idf spokesman dismissive of sky news filming protesters hit by Isreali snipers. Isreal commits war crimes every day
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1714744542824423636
You’re line that the Pentagon independently assessed. On no planet are they independent in relation to IsraelQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
The pentagon say they independently assessed, I'm not the white House spokeswoman, it was her that said that. I wouldn’t trust Bidens team on its on personallyQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
I shared about four different osint accounts that have been independently tracking Isreali war crimes for decades. There is literally satellite imagery of the scene from today showing minimal damage to the buildings, yet some are still sharing that Isreali destroyed a hospital.
What's obvious is a car park was hit and it wasn't by a large missle. If loads of independent information showed it was isreal I'd believe it
By the by Nathan Rutter of bellingcat whose thread I shared yesterday disproving the Isreali jdam story, obviously isn't happy with who pro Isreali brutality fans he's gained
Nathan Ruser
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Hey uhh some new followers. If you followed me after seeing that thread and think I'm in any way supportive of a brutal siege, bombardment and war(/ crimes) you'll be disappointed, and if I see any genocidal and hateful crap in my replies and retweets I will absolutely boot you
Clare Daly addressing the European Parliament, agree with her or not you have to admire her passion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EbUOptI128
I can’t stand her.Quote:
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You honestly did not have to tell me that. I would have assumed it. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It’s a bit like the 40 beheaded babies lie. You could tell it was a lie as soon as it was uttered. I just couldn’t believe even Hamas would do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Was pretty sure Isreal didn’t bomb a hospital.
J
Didn’t Biden say he had seen the evidence of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
He did but later that day the US State Department, or similar, said nothing was seen by them directly but they believed the people who had said they seen the evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE