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Poor collective recent results for JR.
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Definitely not, but by the same token it doesn’t mean that LJ’s situation is completely plain sailing ( he has my full support, BTW) We’ve beaten a poor St Johnstone, lost to Livingston, who we would have hoped to have beaten, and got two very late goals to draw with Hearts and 9 man Rangers. Yes, we are all behind LJ, who is an improvement on Jack Ross, but the latter’s crisis, is not in any way a feather in LJ’s cap. Without these two late goals, we would be in 5th bottom position and we have it all to do to climb out of mediocrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by worcesterhibby
No Martin Boyle for United to save his bacon time after time
Just read on Twitter the last 13 games managed by Ross in the League:
P - 13
W - 1
D - 2
L -10
GF - 7
GA -23
Points - 5
Sacked before Christmas.
14-1 agrregate score over the last 3 games.
Only scored 3 goals in 6 games this season, never scored more than one and not scored in half their games this season.
Dundee United fans better be ready to have all the joy sucked out of watching their team.
Way too early to assume we've got the better boss. I really liked Ross and despite United's results after that impressive first leg European win I'm still not convinced we made the right call in sacking him. I actually don't get the animosity some seem to feel for him, tho I can't deny the cup final loss to St Johnstone still rankles.Quote:
Originally Posted by worcesterhibby
Let's see where we and United are by the time the World Cup break comes around.
Sorry, is it not a 90 minute game? I hear you but I view it more that the team are not giving up in games. Which was all to apparent with the previous incumbent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Fair comment and good on the lads for hanging in there. But it could easily have been two defeats and a gloomier outlook for us. I’ve agreed that LJ must be seen as an improvement on JR but my point is that JR’s poor performance with D.Utd doesn’t enhance LJ’s situation in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Libby Hibby
Just watched Jack Ross post match interview that he did for DUTV. He really comes across as if he doesn't want to be there. I reckon he'll be gone by the end of the month
Are we not 5th bottom now ? Even without the 2 late home goals we`d still be 5th bottom on goal difference . A few wins before the end of September and we`ll be up in top 6 but draws and losses will mean there could be some speculation about LJ after World Cup break - a low league position after League Cup failure is bound to cause some speculation .Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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Originally Posted by IberianHibernian
'5th bottom' is an unbelievably pessimistic way to describe the leagues position in a 12 team league. Astoundingly so. You could just as easy say after a rough start were mid table...
League positions this early in the season are really meaningless unless we were expecting to be challenging for the title, for everyone else it's about playing well and building something. Dundee Utd look really poor and unable to score at the moment, but as we saw from Ross Co last year one good quarter of a season can change everything.
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Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc
Good job Jack. Keep it up. Fantastic signings.
I agree entirely . Far too early to say what will happen . Last season we could have finished 10th or could have been 4th ( there were 7 teams who were all equally bad ) . Our results in both cups probably meant we were the 4th best team ( or least bad of bottom 9 ) over the season in a supposedly terrible season for us despite a horrendous injury list especially after New Year . A slight improvement and less injuries could mean 4th , a meaningful improvement and fewer injuries could mean 3rd . Little or no improvement then anywhere between 4th and 10th again .Quote:
Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc
😂😂👍Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
You could say we picked up a point today that most of our rivals won't get but the next couple of games are the type of games we have to be winning if we are to challenge at the top end of the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc
5th bottom 😂😂
Not bad against a team that came 11th bottom last season.
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Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman
That's entirely true, I just think credit is due here as we all feared the worst with the first few games when the fixtures were released, and if you offered me a win, loss and 2 draws from Rangers, Hearts and two teams we have notoriously struggled against recently in Livi and St Johnstone Id have bitten your hand off.
So did we finish above or below then on the Stranger Things upside down bottom up table? 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Can't help but enjoy his current troubles.Quote:
Originally Posted by heid the baw
Why? Did a decent job for us overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakedmanoncrack
Thought jack Ross conducted himself well even after he left hibs !didn't seem bitter or had anything bad to say about us ! Don't wish him any bad and or would gloat or enjoy the guy having a rough time which he probably is at the moment!
He did comment on the Martin Boyle transfer situation which was pretty strange and out of place. Didn’t agree with a lot Maloney had to see during his tenure but he was 100% correct in calling out Jack Ross for commenting on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by phoenixfire
Yeah said he hoped hibs wouldn't stand in Boyle's way of a life changing move ( money wise I think) cause Boyle had worked so hard for it! Maybe he should have said nothing as he wasn't at hibs anymore though did hear Ross and boyle got on well ! Probably journalist asked Ross anyhow ! Don't see any bad in it to be honest with you as for Maloney total clueless clown !Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman
Same here. He's a good bloke and and you can see he's feeling the strain. Looked unwell during his interview yesterday. I wonder if the Dundee job might have been a better fit for him, allowing him to rebuild from a less pressured base.Quote:
Originally Posted by phoenixfire
Some on here seem to have a really bitter dislike for him and are revelling in his current toils which I find unfathomable.
Overall he did a good job at Hibs and doesn't deserve Butcher/Calderwood type flak.
He left plenty Hibs fans utterly fed up of watching their team and sucked every last bit of enjoyment out of it for a lot of us. From looking at the DU forums, they’re already feeling the same way and they’re also getting the regular horror shows to go along with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
We’ve since had it rammed down our throats on here that we should be hoping he does a great job at Dundee United with folk actually getting raging if you don’t hope he does.
Someone posted it a lot when he was here or round about the time he left but it’s absolutely true - Jack Ross is bad for business.
I hope him and Dundee United have an utter disaster this season.
I won't be 'raging' if he doesn't do a good job at United but I see no reason to wish him ill. I think he gave the Hibs job his all and was rather harshly sacked after his first sustained run of bad results. Prior to that he had demonstrated an ability to arrest any slump in form very quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
In his relatively short time at ER he also took us to two cup finals, was a missed penalty away from another one and gave us our first third place finish in many years. He made a couple of excellent signings, breathed life into signings branded Heckingbottom duds and helped elevate Martin Boyle's game to an even higher level. Not at all shabby by the standards of a Hibs boss.
Sure the football could be frustrating and the cup final v St Johnstone plus the embarassing no-show v Hearts in the pre-covid derby at ER still rankle.
I agree with this. The media fawning over Ross and their desperate wish to be proved right about what they view as the farcical way Hibs are run, just add more pressure to this appointment. They were all about how much stronger the league will be with Ross and McInnes backQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I wish no ill will to Ross, but he looks like he's out of confidence and desperately unhappy with the Utd gig. He definitely should have taken a less pressured job
“Ron Gordon is a successful businessman and Jack Ross is bad for business”Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
As true then as it is now.
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Originally Posted by Zambernardi1875
6 games in and they’ve already got fans wanting rid of him and bemoaning the absolutely pish style of football they’re playing and it’ll continue that way for his whole tenure at DU, of that there is no doubt.
He manages to get decent enough results but it’s at the expense of any style or enjoyment for the fans. Fan bases simply won’t accept that unless the results are obscenely good which they’re never going to be.
Jack Ross will be spending lots of autumnal time in Dobbies very shortly...
Neilson will be a couple of games away from being hounded. Even the most bitter and deranged Jambos must be embarrassed by his post match ramblings today.
Absolute melter.
Did you see their starting line up? Fans were raging before a ball was kicked. If that's how he's going to manage Thurs/Sunday's then he'll be gone before XmasQuote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
You’ve neatly encapsulated the weird, irrational dislike for him right here.
No one’s ramming anything down your throat - you just refuse to accept that the timing of his sacking was a mistake.
He deserved to lead his Hibs team out at Hampden again last December - if he’d lost that final (likely) and things hadn’t picked up then he would have gone.
Im certainly not blind to his faults as a manager but take no joy in seeing him struggle. He seems like a decent guy and overall did a decent job for us.
There’s nothing weird or irrational and I dont dislike him at all, I’ve never met him. His team was dreadful to watch imo and also in alot of others opinion. I was completely losing interest in watching us under him, as were others, so I’d say my feelings on him are actually quite rational. I didn’t enjoy watching my football team whilst he was manager so im hardly going to hold him in high regard from a football point of view, am I?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
I said previously I hope he fails and that it’s because it makes the chances of Hibs being succesful higher. I was met with responses telling me to **** off or calling me a weirdo. So yes, the idea that you simply must want him to be a success (despite the fact it makes Hibs being succesful less likely) is being rammed down peoples throats.
I don’t have to accept that his sacking was a mistake because I don’t think it was a mistake. I think we made the right call sacking him when we did. Our immediate upturn in form when he left backs that up for me. We got 10 points in the 4 league games immediately after he left. With the way we were going under JR I wouldn’t have been surprised had we lost all 4.
I also don’t think he deserved the cup final as that would have meant 2 more leagues games as well which judging by the way we were playing would probably have been another 2 crap results.
He might well be a decent guy. Him doing well isn’t good for Hibs though so I want him to fail, much the same as I want Neilson, Goodwin, Hammel etc to fail. And that looks like it’s exactly what he’s going to do.
As a Hibs manager he will always have my respect as he got us 3rd place in the league. And thats as good as it gets for us.
Telling people it's all about fine grass margins probably 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
He had a huge opportunity to become an all time great Hibs manager with that St Johnstone cup final. He'd have been looking at the cup final he didn't get against Celtic to make amends for it. Always be a bit disappointed he didn't get that game. Generally did a very good job as Hibs manager. Very pleased with LJ though so onwards and upwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Jack Ross this, Jack Ross that
On a thread about manager getting sacked? How dare they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Libby Hibby
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Absolute clown of a bloke. “We had 11 fouls to their 12 but we got a load of bookings and two sent off.” Totally ignoring the fact that there are different types of fouls. As you say, a melter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
Not if he keeps on getting famous heroic defeats. Two in a row now they've been celebrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
Think JR is still in Ponteland and gets similar time off like he did with Hibs
Hearts had a 'morale boosting' defeat in Switzerland and a defeat at Celtc Park, 'that was more like a win'.
Given both of those amazing results, I cant see Neilson being sacked any time soon.
Captain Caveman is always 3 defeats away from the Jambo hordes hiring the plane again. 2 down, one to go this week.
Dundee awash with rumours that JR has quit.
I’m not so sure that the Jambo muppets will be getting the knives out soon. A lot of them agree that his team choice, tactics and ‘great result’ :faf: yesterday show they are in safe hands with Robbie Replay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
It's all over twitter that he's away. Interesting if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frazerbob
JR out, Big Dunc in
I don't think that's the issue here. I didn't want us to sack Jack Ross and I was disappointed when we did, however the amount of people on here and in the media who were desperate for Jack Ross to be a big success at Dundee Utd, so that they could say..."Hibs are a shambles" has made it quite pleasing that he is doing such a terrible job at Tannadice. I have no hatred or even dislike of Jack Ross, I actually quite like Dundee Utd, but I am still thoroughly enjoying the car crash that is there season so far. :greengrin So yes I am taking Joy at seeing him struggle, despite the fact that he is a decent guy. That's what being a petty, slavering football fan is all about :na na::flag::flag:Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
That's where I am except I don't quite like Dundee United. 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by worcesterhibby
I think Ross comes across as an arrogant ******** and I’m delighted that he’s failing so far with Dundee Utd.Quote:
Originally Posted by worcesterhibby
I couldn’t take to him at all as Hibs manager and when I heard him being interviewed before and after the Utd European games it reminded me why.
I also completely agree with you regarding the narrative if he’d done well with Utd, would be constant told you so posts from the people that didn’t want him sacked. I appreciated im guilty of doing the same thing by posting a told you so post when he’s failing but I’m ok with that.
I've got absolutely no desire for Dundee United or Jack Ross to do well. I rate him highly as a manager but he's not ours anymore. His team are competing with us. Dundee United and Ross failing is only a good thing for Hibs and that's all I'm interested in.
It’s like he’s started off where he left us - toothless up front and powerless at the back despite some decent players.
I was a JR fan and didn't think it was the right call to sack him when we did however that's past history now. I'm really happy with how things are progressing under LJ, though we're still a work in progress, and any success Dundee Utd would have had would have been used to beat Hibs with in the media so I'm afraid to say it doesn't bother me too much that they don't have their troubles to seek.
It wasn't just the media, there were plenty on here when they signed Fletcher saying it was the type of signing we needed to make, same with their midfield players while totally writing off our signing before we'd even seen them kick a ball. I'm far happier seeing our signings and the new manager do well than be proven right about Ross being a good manager.
GGTTH
I don't like Ross.
His team bored me to tears.
His decision to use his post match interview after an insipid semi final defeat to settle scores with the media (the same media that give him an easy ride btw) annoyed me.
His insistence on setting up the same way against St Johnstone repeatedly, culminating in a cup final performance that made the 5-1 loss look positively spirited, was bordering on unforgivable.
When he left I'd have been quite happy to accept it was done, cup final no shows aren't quite Terry Butcher levels of disaster, if it hadn't have been for the insistence among some fans and his pals in the media that he was actually brilliant and his sacking was entirely down to spoiled and entitled Hibs fans. I didn't want him sacked but I can see why it happened. We were on a horrendous run and he showed absolutely no signs of turning it around, if anything we were getting worse when he was punted.
If this continues at Dundee Utd then it will be 3 sackings from his last 3 jobs. It might just drop then that he's a bit one dimensional.
Brilliant postQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I didn’t like him either
I don't wish Jack Ross any ill will but it wouldn't surprise me if he'd left DU.
Tactically, he's one of the worst I've ever seen here. Turged football with absolutely no game plan and he never learned from his mistakes.
If he is gone, I reckon it'll be his last Management Job. I've always thought he'd be far more suited to a football administrator role.
Some rumours of a player pressure and big fall outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by supermcginn
Probably rubbish but that's from Utd fans
Other managers don't have to 'fail' for Hibs to be a success. We just need to get our own house in order and be better than them, rather than wishing ill on others, especially guys who are in such a precarious line of work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
I obviously never want to see Hearts do better than us but a guy like Ross? Always seemed inoffensive, sincere and hard-working even if ultimately it didn't work out. I find it hard to feel bitter towards him in any way.
Saves me posting :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
https://twitter.com/record_sport/sta..._vMd4IkB3JtmFg
Not going anywhere
Good post. He did a decent job at Hibs but never felt he was building particularly strong foundations or that we were building anything special. A good season followed by a poor season. Just a standard SPL manager who will generally be a safe pair of hands no more no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It’s difficult not to gloat simply because posters made it so polarised. Some didn’t and won’t give him any credit, others loved him and as such twisted the narrative to suit their agendas “Hibs fans now expect 1970s Brazil football”
They don’t have to, but it makes it a hell of a lot easier and therefore more likely for us to be successful if they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Not a good sign for him though that rumours like that gained so much traction so quickly. Often wonder how much these stories end up acting as a sounding board for a club worried about what the optics of sacking a manager would look like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Ingram
This is largely it for me. The pleasure that some people take out of the misfortune of people who are doing or have done their best for Hibs tells you all you need to know about their character. Josh Campbell, Busheri, Newall, Ron Gordon, JR, Stubbs, cup hero's like Cummings, David Gray & Hanlon have all been slaughtered on here at one point or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
It's a depressing state of affairs that people need to go all out on the negatives.
I reckon John Potter was a big part of Jack Ross' success at Hibs, the players loved him.
A bit like Stubbs who has been a bit lost without Doolan and Taff in the jobs he's had since Hibs.
I had no problem with Ross and would have happily seen him given more time. Backed properly, I think he would have very quickly addressed the problems of the first half of last season during the January window. Not sure he was ever going to be an easy fit for the Ian Gordon system though.
Re his issues at United, I suspect there are probably a couple of difficult senior players there giving him problems. That can be a challenging situation to resolve. They seem to have a lot of good players though so I'm not writing them off yet.
And I'm perfectly happy with the manager we now have, who I have a sneaky suspicion might turn out to be a very good fit for us. Results may have been a mixed bag but they've been a tough sequence of games for a number of reasons and he's given us plenty of reason to look forward to the rest of the season.
Football fans wanting rival teams to do badly is a reflection on their character :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by RMQ1967
Next you’ll be telling us we shouldn’t celebrate goals because there’s another set of fans unhappy at conceding and it might make them sad.
Potter has only been his asst here. His assistant at St Mirren and Sunderland was James Fowler. Fowler chose to take the Head of Football Operations gig at Killie so JR appointed Potter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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Originally Posted by worcesterhibby
Fair comment, although I think the number of Hibs fans thinking the above is pretty small.
There does seem to be that media narrative though, without getting too paranoid about it.
Potter was with him in some capacity at Sunderland though, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Ingram
One of the coaches maybe?
I'm sure we had to come to an agreement with Sunderland for Potter to join Ross at Hibs because he'd stayed on.
Yup, totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Other thing I’d add is that wherever he’s been successful he’s heavily relied on having a talisman that would score a lot of goals.
St Mirren it was Lewis Morgan, Sunderland it was the forward they sold to Bordeaux (Josh Maja maybe?) and with us it was Boyle.
With the last two, as soon as he lost them, his whole game plan went to pot and he couldn’t find a solution. At Utd, I don’t think he’s got that person.
Is that not true of any manager in their successful stints that they have had one or two key players for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I don’t think they’re generally as reliant as we were on Boyle last season though.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenPJ
Not sure how to feel about JR. On the one hand I don’t have anything against him like I do some of our other ex-managers so don’t want him to do badly.
However, I had a bad feeling he was going to do really well at United and we would be wondering why we ever let him go, so I’m glad that hasn’t come pass (yet!).
Na it's not that at all - I'm not without my own unreasonable prejudices - I want every team to fail when it's to the benefit of Hibs and that includes wanting the OF & every other Scottish team fail in Europe so that they don't get financially stronger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
I'm talking about individual guys who do or done their best for Hibs getting undeservedly slaughtered.
could you imagine the jack ross threads on here if he was doing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by RMQ1967
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Originally Posted by Smartie
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Ian Gordon has got pelters but it’s clear he likes exciting players, and our budget means we are signing ones with potential rather than a proven record.
JR is the tacticians tactician, but it’s all about the plan for him. I think the players got bored too.
Sportsound on Saturday were saying the players held a meeting to discuss JR.
Doesn't look good when he's just in the door. Probably working on a mutually agreeable exit already.
Stoke sack Michael O’Neill.
Would be big favourite for the Dundee United job if Jack Ross goes .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Hope not. Also doubt they could afford himQuote:
Originally Posted by Green forever
I’m not saying you’re wrong and dare say it’s irrelevant now as it was so long ago but did he not leave Dundee Utd on bad terms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Green forever
I always thought there was some bad blood there.
Stock was so high when he took this job too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Doesnt say alot for the players that. Bit of a shocker imoQuote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Alternatively it doesn’t say much for Jack Ross.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
His results have been disastrous. If the players are sitting there wondering wtf he’s doing then I don’t think it’s out of the question for them to raise that issue, much like it wouldn’t be out the question in any other line of work.
Dundee Utd should sack Ross now and bring in O'Neill imo if they want a shot at european football next season.
Think it was personal thing between him and Jim McLean.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Not sure if he'd jump at a job in the SPL as quickly as this anyway bearing in mind the money he's been earning in the past few years.
No. Dundee United should stick with Jack Ross and enhance our chances of qualifying for Europe.🙂Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesHFC
Indeed 🖒Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
Jim McLean didn't like anyone, including Jim McLean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
30 years ago, I think an bad blood has long since ceased to matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Players are having private meetings after what two poor results absolutely ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Its not just the multiple bad results though. Its what is going on in training too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
What do you suppose is going on?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
Don't imagine Jack's coaching experience or methods would be too unworkable at a team like Dundee Utd.
Absolutely bizarre.
5 poor results really to varying degrees with some being absolutely abysmal. They’ve invested heavily and every one of their results other than the home tie v Alkmaar has been poor with their performances often being worse than the actual result.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
If I’m a player and I’m being hung out to dry by a manager who’s methods and tactics make absolutely no sense than you can guarantee I’m not carrying the can either. Their players will generally have played under more than enough managers to know what to expect from a manager so if they’re revolting after 5 or 6 games then I think it’s safe to say they probably have a reason to do so.
Irrespective of where the blame lies, the fact that players are ‘rebelling’ to the extent of having meetings, it is the end of the road for Jack Ross. A lost dressing room is irretrievable.
Their meeting was reported after Hearts game so hardly after 5 or 6 poor results . Talk about abdicating responsibility. Whether you like him or not Ross is a decent experienced managerQuote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2