Newell on fans jeers vs Cove

I like Newell, he’s a cracking player for our level. Robust, retains the ball, can carry the ball, reads the game, quality crosses and seems a good character. The fact he battled through the terrible start he had with us is a credit to him.

Could he be more aggressive, absolutely. However he will fill the role he is being directed to, much the same as when he was hung out on the left wing by Hecky.


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The boos at half time were very evident and noticeable because there was no clapping or cheering. I don't boo these days but that first half performance was terrible. Yes there was mitigation but we need to be doing better and fans can show the team their displeasure. I think what the players need to realise is that a failed forward pass showing ambition is very rarely criticised. A pass the buck backwards pass is never popular. I want to see signs that what Maloney wants to do is being worked on and we are on a journey. that wasn't very evident in a positive sense v Cove but there has been some glimpses in other games. Early days and he will need time and a fit squad. The last couple of managers weren't afforded that though

I hope to Jebus we’re 4-0 up at half time tonight or this place will self destruct…

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Originally Posted by Jones28

On a thread centered on the discussion around booing players its not a mad interpretation IMO.

Anyway, I don't want to argue with you for fear of being accused of picking fights with people - something only you seem to have picked up on - so I'll take my interpretation of you said and leave it at that.

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Jeez, I explained my post further but you've just decided to ignore what I'm actually saying and believe something else entirely!

I have never said 'i paid my money so i can boo if i want'.

Not even close, and not what I was saying at all.

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Originally Posted by EdinMike

I hope to Jebus we’re 4-0 up at half time tonight or this place will self destruct…

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This is as an example of the extreme of the other way, ripping the support and posters on here for not being completely positive. :aok:

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Originally Posted by CockneyRebel

We have struggled for goals yes! Goal chances no! Poor officials and poor finishing more to blame than Joe's passing.

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How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

This is as an example of the extreme of the other way, ripping the support and posters on here for not being completely positive. :aok:

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Scared to say anything these days - it will soon be as quiet on here as ER is!!

If teams are playing crap then fans will let them know its not a new thing
I get the transition thing and we are trying to get a certain way of playing that's different etc but fans don't think about that freezing their nuts off watching us struggle against cove rangers
I guess it's just going to take time which is another thing that fans don't like to hear

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Scared to say anything these days - it will soon be as quiet on here as ER is!!

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:agree: People are allowed to disagree but the beauty of .net was everyone was allowed to have an opinion. Recently there's loads of hounding plus "this is what is running this place down" comments. I haven't seen much change for people to say that but fair do's.

If Hibs are playing well I'll be positive and say, if they are playing gash then likewise.

The one gripe I've got is many people who backed Jack Ross (I know) and acknowledged back in October the run coming up, the injuries we had and the covid issues quite gladly threw him under a bus when he was sacked - the same people wouldn't hear a bad word said about the guy and others where negative if they posted otherwise - hundreds of abuse of posters saying it wasn't good enough under Ross... Now it's turned full circle it was all Jacks fault and won't hear anything said about Maloney or ripped :greengrin

I know it's a football forum and measured and balanced probably go hand in hand but people are allowed to be optimistic/pessimistic even deluded either way because that's their opinion and have every right to it.

I didn't go on Thursday - I watched on the TV, my opinion is you would have to be wired to the moon to expect no negativity after the first half against a part time football side. We picked up towards the end of the 90 and deservedly got the win. I'm glad Nisbet scored to help get people off his back - ironically many of them are the ones slating booing and anything usually that doesn't mean positivity.

For me it feels like there's some supporters who will either be negative or quiet! I sit in section 41 and there's loads of folk who sit passively and only comment critically.

Me and my mate often the only ones being encouraging and joining in with singing/ clapping. Other grounds do seem to have better atmospheres, though often smaller clubs like palace and Brentford spring to mind.

I suppose Newell is asking us to be a bit patient because we asked for the change. Supporters need to wise up to this and be a bit more intelligent and see the bigger picture. Got a good feeling about Maloney. We need to back him and the team to the hilt!

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Jeez, I explained my post further but you've just decided to ignore what I'm actually saying and believe something else entirely!

I have never said 'i paid my money so i can boo if i want'.

Not even close, and not what I was saying at all.

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I didn't ignore what you said, I interpreted it in a way you didn't intend.

I don’t really care what Newell has to say to be honest. I’m not one for booing during the game or at halftime, but booing at the final whistle is perfectly acceptable imo. You’ve just watched a team huff and puff against a lower division team and not be able to win in 90 minutes, are they looking for a round of applause after that? I’m all for being supportive and I always try and look for the positives, but there has to come a time when you’re at a game when you need to show your opinion of what you’ve seen.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).

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So you want him to make a defence splitting pass then chase after it and score a goal? He plays too deep (instructions?) to be a constant goal menace. Since SJM we have had no-one to do this nor are we likely too in our price range unless we dig a lucky one out of "youngsters with promise".

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Originally Posted by CockneyRebel

So you want him to make a defence splitting pass then chase after it and score a goal? He plays too deep (instructions?) to be a constant goal menace. Since SJM we have had no-one to do this nor are we likely too in our price range unless we dig a lucky one out of "youngsters with promise".

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I’m sorry but that’s a cop out, he’s had numerous chances to score and either passed or hit a tame effort wide or straight at the keeper, his shooting is woeful. I like Newell as a player but he is extremely frustrating at times, he can look like a world beater in some games and anonymous in others.

Bottom line is that a hibs player is asking the hibs support to more supportive. He shouldnt have to do that. We have a new manager with new ideas and 4 games in we should be totally behind them. This must affecting the players or i dont think he would have come out with this.

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Originally Posted by DIXIHIBS

Bottom line is that a hibs player is asking the hibs support to more supportive. He shouldnt have to do that. We have a new manager with new ideas and 4 games in we should be totally behind them. This must affecting the players or i dont think he would have come out with this.

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Originally Posted by DIXIHIBS

Bottom line is that a hibs player is asking the hibs support to more supportive. He shouldnt have to do that. We have a new manager with new ideas and 4 games in we should be totally behind them. This must affecting the players or i dont think he would have come out with this.

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Spot on.

Everyone will have their own explanation as to why but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.

It’s negatively impacting the players.

Let’s get behind them, encourage and support them.

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Originally Posted by flash

Is it not when the team is struggling that the supporters are really needed?

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I have been at games where the crowd really backed the players for 90 mins and the players didn't respond but I have also seen the oppisite where the crowd offered next to no backing and the team delivered.

I don't think the crowd has as much of a bearing as some are suggesting but it can impact from time to time. The players need to be professional at the end of the day and put in performances that we want to see. Cove was as far away from that as any bad performances lucky Cove tired as that got us through in the end.

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Originally Posted by mixumatosis

A guy who has excelled in the EPL and is being widely touted for a £50m move to Man Utd.

Hard to imagine why we might be lacking that sort of player.

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Your point is? Does it take a £50m player to make a run into the box?

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

I have been at games where the crowd really backed the players for 90 mins and the players didn't respond but I have also seen the oppisite where the crowd offered next to no backing and the team delivered.

I don't think the crowd has as much of a bearing as some are suggesting but it can impact from time to time. The players need to be professional at the end of the day and put in performances that we want to see. Cove was as far away from that as any bad performances lucky Cove tired as that got us through in the end.

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Agree with this. I’m quite surprised this has cropped up to be honest, I didn’t think the crowd reaction against Cove was really that bad. Crowd can make a difference on occasion but the game last week is the least pressured environment you’re ever likely to play in as a Hibs player.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Agree with this. I’m quite surprised this has cropped up to be honest, I didn’t think the crowd reaction against Cove was really that bad. Crowd can make a difference on occasion but the game last week is the least pressured environment you’re ever likely to play in as a Hibs player.

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He was probably asked the question from the reporter pushing the agenda and just gave an honest response.

The point he is making isnt anything to do with how good he is its to do with where we are as a team. Its commendable he has tried to explain things from a players point of view, another humans point of view Its about the fact he & the rest of the team are learning a new way to play. Hats off to those of you that have managed to learn a new skill under the regular abuse of those around you. Id say you have managed this in spite of the abuse not because of it.

Its not saying the team never deserve to be booed its saying this is where we, what were doing and this is the effect its having. Some call for players to be braver but are on their backs as soon as that 'bravery' doesnt show in their play.

Its not realistic that folk wont boo during the game but maybe understanding the effect it may have might get them to think about it for a bit.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).

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First 2 players plucked out of my head in our league, Steven Davis (4 in 132) and Callum McGregor (6 in his last 79).

Those are two players that have a lot less to worry about defensively, have much more of the ball, yet play a similar role. Deep laying midfielders tend not to score many goals.

Stop yir greetin Joe - try Playing some more forward passes.

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Originally Posted by Hibiza

Stop yir greetin Joe - try Playing some more forward passes.

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He did and now he wants the supporters to stop their greetin. :wink:

There was some wee boys sitting behind me just behind the Hibs dugout at the Cove game who shouted at the team as they were getting their team talk before the start of extra time saying they need to get their finger out and attack more, Joes response of ‘shut up you little twat’ made me laugh :greengrin wonder if this article was partly inspired by that!

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

First 2 players plucked out of my head in our league, Steven Davis (4 in 132) and Callum McGregor (6 in his last 79).

Those are two players that have a lot less to worry about defensively, have much more of the ball, yet play a similar role. Deep laying midfielders tend not to score many goals.

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Amazing how stats can just immediately blast someones daft argument away.

Joe Newell is not in the side to score goals.

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

First 2 players plucked out of my head in our league, Steven Davis (4 in 132) and Callum McGregor (6 in his last 79).

Those are two players that have a lot less to worry about defensively, have much more of the ball, yet play a similar role. Deep laying midfielders tend not to score many goals.

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To be fair McGregor has scored double the amount of goals in less games. Not sure he's a good example.

Like most think Joe Doesn't get forward or the ball as much as we would like as when he does he's usually a threat.

Of course sometimes there will be times where a simpler ball will be played so let's see what tonight brings.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

To be fair McGregor has scored double the amount of goals in less games. Not sure he's a good example.

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Only 3 more in a better team that wins most weeks in more or less the same amount of games is a perfectly good example i think

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Originally Posted by Aldot

Only 3 more in a better team that wins most weeks in more or less the same amount of games is a perfectly good example i think

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McGregor has scored 55 goals for Celtic in 355 games. A goal every 6.5 games. That's a far higher return than Newell.

Not a very good example.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Amazing how stats can just immediately blast someones daft argument away.

Joe Newell is not in the side to score goals.

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What is he in the side to do?

I think it shows a level of honesty from him. It's refreshing to actually hear how footballers are feeling. He's right, things will take time, it's a new style and something we should all be excited about.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I’m sorry but that’s a cop out, he’s had numerous chances to score and either passed or hit a tame effort wide or straight at the keeper, his shooting is woeful. I like Newell as a player but he is extremely frustrating at times, he can look like a world beater in some games and anonymous in others.

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And so have all of our forward players.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

What is he in the side to do?

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Bring the ball out of defence, retain possession, move the ball around, win it back. Things he does very well. Also takes some set pieces.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

What is he in the side to do?

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What do you expect? You do know that Roy Race is a fictional character?

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Bring the ball out of defence, retain possession, move the ball around, win it back. Things he does very well. Also takes some set pieces.

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The Hibs equivalent of that https://www.hibs.net/image/gif;base6...iKqdPIqBoFADs=Simpsons episode with soccer in it then :greengrin

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.e4954872...pid=ImgRaw&r=0

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Originally Posted by CockneyRebel

What do you expect? You do know that Roy Race is a fictional character?

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Any need to be so wide? :confused:

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Originally Posted by pollution

If it ain't Booing I ain't going.

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I usually leave before the booing starts.

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

I have been at games where the crowd really backed the players for 90 mins and the players didn't respond but I have also seen the oppisite where the crowd offered next to no backing and the team delivered.

I don't think the crowd has as much of a bearing as some are suggesting but it can impact from time to time. The players need to be professional at the end of the day and put in performances that we want to see. Cove was as far away from that as any bad performances lucky Cove tired as that got us through in the end.

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I agree with this.

If we’re losing, but the crowd can see that everyone is busting a gut to get a result, then generally the atmosphere will reflect that.

Think how often we need a goal in the last 5 mins. When we see the players moving forward quickly, or Allan making that defence-splitting pass to set up a chance, the fans are tremendous and ER can be bouncing.

Watching performances like we saw against Cove, for a lot of us, was boring as hell.

The crowd on the night just reflected the general feeling, as it pretty much always does.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I usually leave before the booing starts.

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You leave before kickoff?

Newell should be chipping in now and again and he’s said that himself. He actually gets in to quite a few decent positions but is reluctant to have a shot a lot of the time.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

McGregor has scored 55 goals for Celtic in 355 games. A goal every 6.5 games. That's a far higher return than Newell.

Not a very good example.

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I was going with the numbers in the post

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Newell should be chipping in now and again and he’s said that himself. He actually gets in to quite a few decent positions but is reluctant to have a shot a lot of the time.

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:agree: the midfield need to chip in with far more goals. JDH is even Lea productive on that front - unwilling to shoot at times.

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Originally Posted by Ringothedog

You leave before kickoff?

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:tee hee:

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

McGregor has scored 55 goals for Celtic in 355 games. A goal every 6.5 games. That's a far higher return than Newell.

Not a very good example.

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Most of which playing further forward with brown in behind him. Since brown was phased out and McGregor has been sitting in (the exact role Newell plays) then he’s scored far less goals.

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Originally Posted by CockneyRebel

And so have all of our forward players.

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We’re discussing Newell though. If the post above is true that he’s abusing fans at the game then he won’t last much longer.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).

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More than Dylan McGeouch I fancy., who wasn't too shabby a player for us :wink:

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

We’re discussing Newell though. If the post above is true that he’s abusing fans at the game then he won’t last much longer.

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Hopefully it has the opposite effect and the wee twat realises the error of his ways.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

It's all very well and I agree with Joe, but our team should be more than good enough to be winning consistently without needing to spend a while adapting to a playstyle that may not even work.

If we lose the next 3, but the manager says we're improving and showing signs, will folk be happy? I definitely won't.

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Totally agree with every word.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

Any need to be so wide? :confused:

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Any need to be so obtuse. Tell me what you mean and I'll try to answer.

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

Hopefully it has the opposite effect and the wee twat realises the error of his ways.

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Hear hear - wee twats become big twats if they think their behaviour is consequence free. Wish I'd been there to give Joe a round of applause.
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Originally Posted by Malthibby

Hear hear - wee twats become big twats if they think their behaviour is consequence free. Wish I'd been there to give Joe a round of applause.
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So shouting that the team needs to get the finger out is cause enough for players to shout abuse at punters in the stand? He’s going to be doing a lot of shouting to the fans if the current dross him and his team are serving up continues.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

The Hibs equivalent of that https://www.hibs.net/image/gif;base6...iKqdPIqBoFADs=Simpsons episode with soccer in it then :greengrin

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.e4954872...pid=ImgRaw&r=0

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Looks like he was doing a good job considering we were up against Portugal. 😀

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

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Originally Posted by brog

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

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Originally Posted by brog

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

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:top marks

Facts, that’ll never catch on.

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Originally Posted by brog

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

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🤩 excellent analysis and well worth the time spent. Thank you
Sadly, there are some people who don’t take any notice of facts and reality

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Originally Posted by brog

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

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Thanks for that. No doubt someone will tell you they don’t need stats cos they know what they saw.

I particularly like the stat that his average touch taken per possession was, er , 2.

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Originally Posted by CentreLine

🤩 excellent analysis and well worth the time spent. Thank you
Sadly, there are some people who don’t take any notice of facts and reality

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Folk just pick the stats that suit them though. Could talk our record with Newell out of the team, but that’ll just be a small sample size or whatever if it doesn’t suit the argument that he’s our best midfielder who has such a big influence on the team.

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Originally Posted by brog

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

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Outstanding work sir.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Folk just pick the stats that suit them though. Could talk our record with Newell out of the team, but that’ll just be a small sample size or whatever if it doesn’t suit the argument that he’s our best midfielder who has such a big influence on the team.

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Yeah everyone does it - that’s what stats are for. Very successfully used last time to sack the manager.

What is our record without him in the team? With him in it it was a 3rd place finish and successive cup finals.

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Yeah everyone does it - that’s what stats are for. Very successfully used last time to sack the manager.

What is our record without him in the team? With him in it it was a 3rd place finish and successive cup finals.

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In the league he missed 6 games last season. We won 5 and lost 1. This season he’s missed 4. We’ve won 3 and drawn 1.

Think it was losing too many games that got Jack the sack to be fair.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

In the league he missed 6 games last season. We won 5 and lost 1. This season he’s missed 4. We’ve won 3 and drawn 1.

Think it was losing too many games that got Jack the sack to be fair.

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Small sample size 😂

It was the style of play I think - that’s what they said they want to change in the press when SM was appointed.

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I particularly like the stat that his average touch taken per possession was, er , 2.

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One of Newells' best attributes for me is the fact he can two-touch control the ball and make a pass regardless of the situation. He is too negative at times though for me although being honest it's probably because you can just see a player in there that could be more attacking and make it work because his control and passing is so comfortable.

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Small sample size 😂

It was the style of play I think - that’s what they said they want to change in the press when SM was appointed.

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That might come. Meantime, at least we’re not losing most weeks.

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That might come. Meantime, at least we’re not losing most weeks.

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It’ll have to come - no mights about it, otherwise when we have a bad run the knives will be out.

Comments about Newell slowing things down, passing back too often were valid in previous games imo, but certainly not the last two. I think he’s been far more positive and has been our best midfielder if not our best player. It’s never been about ability for me, he clearly has that.

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It’ll have to come - no mights about it, otherwise when we have a bad run the knives will be out.

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Let’s be honest, the knives are being sharpened as we chat.

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Comments about Newell slowing things down, passing back too often were valid in previous games imo, but certainly not the last two. I think he’s been far more positive and has been our best midfielder if not our best player. It’s never been about ability for me, he clearly has that.

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He had a game of two halves last night.

Outstanding first half, went into his shell a bit second half.

He has shown flashes at least though.

JDH was very disappointing last night. I thought he had a great start to the season under Ross.

There have to be question marks over playing the pair of them in the middle together as they haven't cut it for some time.

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Let’s be honest, the knives are being sharpened as we chat.

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It's nothing to do with the fans.

If the board aren't happy with the way things go, they'll bin Maloney.

If performances and results are decent, they'll stick with him.

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Comments about Newell slowing things down, passing back too often were valid in previous games imo, but certainly not the last two. I think he’s been far more positive and has been our best midfielder if not our best player. It’s never been about ability for me, he clearly has that.

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I would tend to agree with this, if we are talking about the games since SM has been in charge. To be fair JDH has actually been worse at consistently passing backwards in the games I've watched. It felt to me that Newell has played well in the last 2 games and has been much more positive, but we still lack players willing and capable of driving forward with the ball in the middle third of the pitch other than in VERY wide positions. Having a Latapy or SJM type of player makes such a difference and that's what Celtic always seem to have and we very rarely have. Like ourselves Celtic almost always play out from the back, but as soon as there is any space in front of them their players drive forward with the ball through the middle as well as on the wings, committing defenders and creating space.

It's the next piece of the puzzle. I'd love to see up play Mitchell in a central role. just to see what happens !

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I particularly like the stat that his average touch taken per possession was, er , 2.

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I must admit that surprised me. For the record he had 15 x1 touch, 4 x2, 6 x3, 4 x4 & 1 x5. None of his passes were clerances or hoofs up the park & 28/30 (93.3%) found a Hibs player.

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Let’s be honest, the knives are being sharpened as we chat.

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It does feel like that.

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It does feel like that.

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I don't think so. A lot of fans remember managers being sacked and worse being brought in.

The knives being sharpened comment probably came about on here under Butcher or Calderwood before too as well as back him and give him a chance even when disaster stared us in the puss. Not saying that about Maloney but we are allowed to be on our guard and not just blindly back anyone.

There's been very little so far to indicate any sort of improvement and with Boyle leaving then (ironically)stating it's not his team the excuses are out.

We need a win on Saturday because I'm very doubtful we will win the derby.

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I don't think so. A lot of fans remember managers being sacked and worse being brought in.

The knives being sharpened comment probably came about on here under Butcher or Calderwood before too as well as back him and give him a chance even when disaster stared us in the puss. Not saying that about Maloney but we are allowed to be on our guard and not just blindly back anyone.

There's been very little so far to indicate any sort of improvement and with Boyle leaving then (ironically)stating it's not his team the excuses are out.

We need a win on Saturday because I'm very doubtful we will win the derby.

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I can definitely hear steel rubbing against steel in this post like…

Do you mean Maloney when you said someone stated “it’s not his team”? If so, what’s ironic about it in relation to Boyle leaving?

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I can definitely hear steel rubbing against steel in this post like…

Do you mean Maloney when you said someone stated “it’s not his team”? If so, what’s ironic about it in relation to Boyle leaving?

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Because Boyle isn't his team either.

***** like last night, Cove and Parkhead is acceptable because it's not his team yet it's also acceptable because Boyle's left.

Decent Motherwell pun btw.

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Because Boyle isn't his team either.

***** like last night, Cove and Parkhead is acceptable because it's not his team yet it's also acceptable because Boyle's left.

Decent Motherwell pun btw.

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Look at the games individually.

Celtic park - beaten easily by a team 10x the budget. Hardly some disaster.

Cove - not great, but would've won by 2 or 3 had our early goal been given. Always hard against 10 defenders.

Motherwell - Hard fought point on a horrible night.

This is after 2 brilliant results in his first 2 games. Maloney is doing fine. Anyone doubting him already needs to just get a grip tbh.

Few notable things from last night.

Was impossible for the wing backs.

- I'm almost certain that Mcginn or Stevenson didn't once attempt to make an overlapping run to create a bit of space for Doig/Cadden. Obviously a tactical choice by Maloney. Given that were were just recycling the ball between left and right it was a huge issue all night.

- Small thing but Cadden/Doig taking throw ins instead of McGinn/Stevenson. Again, made it hard for the wing backs to get any sort of territory.

- Wind made it hard to switch the ball from left the right quickly.

- Campbell/Mueller had a torrid time recieving the ball with their back to goal. Only niSbet long ked capable or recieving the ball but the ball was rarely on for aforementioned reasons.

All in all this game was a direct result of the way we set out to play the game. Find it hard to blame the players when we were so conservative tactically.

Hopefully we learn and move on.

Rocky motm followed by Newell.

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Few notable things from last night.

Was impossible for the wing backs.

- I'm almost certain that Mcginn or Stevenson didn't once attempt to make an overlapping run to create a bit of space for Doig/Cadden. Obviously a tactical choice by Maloney. Given that were were just recycling the ball between left and right it was a huge issue all night.

- Small thing but Cadden/Doig taking throw ins instead of McGinn/Stevenson. Again, made it hard for the wing backs to get any sort of territory.

- Wind made it hard to switch the ball from left the right quickly.

- Campbell/Mueller had a torrid time recieving the ball with their back to goal. Only niSbet long ked capable or recieving the ball but the ball was rarely on for aforementioned reasons.

All in all this game was a direct result of the way we set out to play the game. Find it hard to blame the players when we were so conservative tactically.

Hopefully we learn and move on.

Rocky motm followed by Newell.

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Mcginn and Stevenson were playing as part of the back 3, not wing backs. Cadden and Doig were the wing backs

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Mcginn and Stevenson were playing as part of the back 3, not wing backs. Cadden and Doig were the wing backs

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Exactly. McGinn and Lewis were never expected to get forward.

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Mcginn and Stevenson were playing as part of the back 3, not wing backs. Cadden and Doig were the wing backs

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Obviously.

but it's fairly standard that the left and right hand side of the three need to have that attacking element.

See Tierney/Robertson for Scotland.

I'm not saying they need to be Roberto Carlos but there needed to be an outlet

Any top side who plays the 3-4-3 does this to an extent because the midfield to can cover.

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Obviously.

but it's fairly standard that the left and right hand side of the three need to have that attacking element.

See Tierney/Robertson for Scotland.

I'm not saying they need to be Roberto Carlos but there needed to be an outlet

Any top side who plays the 3-4-3 does this to an extent because the midfield to can cover.

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Hanlon used to made underlapping runs when Lennon had us play 3 at the back. Great to see.

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Aye, and Porteous has it in his locker too. The spare man is often in that back three so we really need hanlon Porteous back - really underrated distribution.

Hanlon Rocky and Porteous is suddenly a tasty back 3 with Cadden/Mitchell on the wings