Semis and finals are completely different. Should be 50/50 unless it looks like one side clearly won't sell out. Everyone in Scottish football knows Hibs would sell out half of Hampden no problem for a final. We took 30k v Ross County in 2016 lol.
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Semis and finals are completely different. Should be 50/50 unless it looks like one side clearly won't sell out. Everyone in Scottish football knows Hibs would sell out half of Hampden no problem for a final. We took 30k v Ross County in 2016 lol.
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Originally Posted by Since452
Our semi final sales have been the same (or less on occasion) and we've always sold out the final.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
So it's unacceptable from the league but you're blaming hibs fans for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Enough evidence of us selling dozens of finals. They're not interested in it now, they won't be in 6 months. This is a really really bad day for Hibs. I hope the club kick off about this hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
There’s no evidence to suggest the SFA would do this so it would be next year. I’m pretty confident we’ll get an even split next time in the league cupQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
If the club don't fight this (vocally) then the reality is now that all future finals against the Old Firm will be the same.
Winning finals against the Old Firm at a supposed neutral venue (no laughing now) just became that bit harder today.
This has nothing to do with the size of the Hibs support yesterday, this is to do with the continued blatant favouritism shown towards the bigot brothers by the governing bodies.
I want to see our owner and board fighting our corner at every opportunity, and this should start today.
This 100%. We've always sold out at least half the stadium every time we've made a final this century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Been numerous occasions where a team has sold less than half in a semi and sold half (sometimes even more) for a final.
Take the Hibs v Aberdeen semi in 2017. We sold half and they were nowhere near half. Yet, when it came to the final, they were given a 50-50 split. So how come this is different?:confused: What is the justification?
Haven't even given an option to see how sales go and if half isn't sold by a certain date then can hand them back.
Disgraceful west coast bias from the SFA yet again! :grr:
Why would a semi final attendance have any bearing on one for a final. We have sold out our allocations for finals recently. We would sell out this. There is clear and obvious bias towards Celtic already in this fixture. We have been given the end furthest from the vast majority of our support and out support will be less in number dues to the bias of the organisers. The ticket prices are extortionate too particularly for the likes of my who has two kids over 16. Typical Scottish football though, amateur in the extreme. I would have no issue if they gave is 17.5K and a deadline to sell before releasing others but this is clear bias and against sporting integrity. Hearts got equal allocations with Celtic for the 2019 SC Final. Why would the LC be different for us v CeltcQuote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Based on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
Some people just need to take the opposite view from everyone else I suppose.
They doQuote:
Originally Posted by flash
When you think that most of the freebies, sponsor tickets, debentures etc will no doubt end up in Celtic hands too, this means we'll be looking at only having a third of the stadium in a national cup final.
Neutral venue my arse!
Put the SPFL will use the fact we only sold 10k as a driver to reduce our attendanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Since452
It’s not the SFA here it’s the SPFL.
Also they do realise Hibs have to travel to Glasgow for games and it’s not on our door step.
Every club should be given 50/50 split for a final and if they want less fine but give them a chance to sell tickets and then have a clear cut off date to offer any unsold tickets.
Would love to hear the explanation of why less tickets and why Celtic get their usual end.
They should have made it clear before the semi finals allocation for the final will be based on semi uptake. If that was the case why did they limit Hibs to 10,000 for the semi?
Even from a supporters impact on the game them having the full north stand is an advantage. It's the closest stand to the pitch and they'll have that entire side of the pitch to themselves.
That’s the Scottish Cup run by the SFA, this is the League Cup run by the SPFL who have already done the exact same thing to Aberdeen a couple of years ago. Aberdeen didn’t seem to kick up much of a fuss at the time which probably hasn’t helped us nowQuote:
Originally Posted by GRA
But it makes no odds to the final. We'd sell half the stadium. There would be no reduction in revenues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
People can make their own choices about any game they go to ..there’s no blame, but it is part of the cause. it’s clearly been an important factor ….Quote:
Originally Posted by mcohibs
Very rare it is as low as yesterday in recent times …. they’ve often been much stronger …Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Complete lunacy, totally undermines any notion of sporting integrity. Hibs have a demonstrable track record of selling out a 50% cup final allocation - even during much worse times than this from a football perspective. Unjustifiable.
I’m terms of sporting integrity it should be a 50/50 split. We could then sell the tickets section by section to see if there is enough demand to keep the allocation or give a percentage over to Celtic. Ridiculous and hopefully it gets solved.
Ah wasn't aware thanks for clarifying! Still having checked they got 20K at the time. We're getting less... a clear disadvantage already.Quote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
No for league cup semi finals at Hampden. Maybe had slightly more at the Celtic on under Lennon but not by much. The one under Hecky was only about 7k. Same going back to the 2004 semi against Rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Would never have even been a question that we'd have sold out the 21,000. History has proven that time and time again. Absolute disgrace from the SPFL.
I dare say I was in the minority of hoping for a 4pm kick off as I'm struggling for the time off work so was hoping to do a couple of hours in the morning and drive up to the game but no need to call in favours now given I'll have no chance once ST holders, players/hangers on and the inevitable half ST holders have been catered for.
At least 10,000 of those so called Hibs supporters you speak of are no use to Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
We only see them at glory time. They provide no financial support to our club whatsoever.
We have been offered 17,500 Cup Final tickets.
Hibs have 11,100 season ticket holders and have about 2,400 regular walk ups
That leaves 4,000 tickets which I reckon should be sold first to anyone who has paid to attend even a single game at Easter Road this season.
Whatever number of tickets are left after that can be punted in a public sale.
Celtic probably have 50,000 season ticket holders so it is only fair that there should be an attempt to give at least half of them the opportunity to attend the cup final ticket rather than giving them to Hibs to sell to people who are really not that bothered about Hibs or Scottish football week to week.
I don't like Celtic much but I would rather that Scottish football supporters get cup final ticket than fair weather folk who only do big games.
The allocation of stands is a whole different matter. We should get half of the North.
Shocking decision by the SPFL. regular cup finals for hibs over the last decade or two, sometimes taking supports in excess of 30k. history would suggest we would sell out a 50% allocation and we should have been given the chance. if it didn't look like happening tickets could have been handed back.
Absolute disgrace we aren’t getting half the tickets. It’s a dangerous precedent. What next, allocation based on season ticket numbers and we get 5,000 tickets for the next game we play against the OF at Hampden?
Ticket prices are eye watering too and a ridiculous percentage increase since 2016.
Just realised that also!Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
So they have the full north stand. Makes it even more ridiculous.
We sold less than that (7Kor 8K I think) when we put them out in 2004 then went to sell over 35K for the final against Livingston though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Did we fail to sell our allocation in 2012? Folk literally offered me hundreds for my ticket for that day, no way we wouldn't have sold all tickets surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee_Craig7062
Pitch invasion against St J on the 50th minute to demand a 50/50 split? 👀
No, presumably mixing it up with the 2006 semi when, lest we forget, the Poppy swindlers didn't sell their allocation either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Only good thing is it should ensure a comparable siege mentality to yesterday. Maybe even moreso.
One of my favourite games ….Quote:
Originally Posted by GRA
That’s over 17 years ago now ..was talking about cup semifinals in more recent times . I know we could sell out half the ground or more . my point is simply that our low attendance at the weekend has been a factor in their (flawed) decision making . Not fair, but it’s reality
Absolutely no chance!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee_Craig7062
Demand for that final exceeded any other.
Will say it again, the prices are what is outrageous, not the allocation. At our final vs County in 2016, the maximum price was £25 for an adult, £10 for a concession. Now it's a minimum of £35 for adults, and a minimum of £18 for concessions, with other parts of the ground costing as much as £45/£27 each. That is the scandalous part, and our board is complicit in that
Could be seriously difficult to get a ticket now.
didn’t think anything could put a dampener on my mood today but there you go. The Scottish football authorities always manage to find a way to pish on your chips
Sorry my mistake, indeed mixing it up with 2006 semi. Will amend my post lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
That’s utter nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
People fly from Australia and America for finals, they don’t and can’t attend every week.
I live down south, came up to Scotland for our summer holidays to see family I hadn’t seen in about two years, bought strips and merch from the club shop, went to the Dundee away game with my Dad and two boys. But we are “no use to Hibs”.
That’s Bollocks.
J
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Originally Posted by ABZHFC
Hibs v Celtic run of the mill league game prices are only a few quid less to be fair.
If this wasn’t announced through Hibs I’d think it would be another wind up. Don’t know where to start…..ridiculous prices, Celtic get the whole North Stand, the vast majority of the South upper (they’ll be sitting above us again), most of our tickets behind the goals, unfair crowd advantage…….fuming!😡
How much are Hospitality tickets ?
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Yeah mixed it up with 2006 semi, my mistakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Nakedmanoncrack
I agree, that's also the fault of our board (and theirs) for being absolute chancers. £30 should be a maximum price for any game in Scotland, I wish there was a rule that set that in placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Nakedmanoncrack
We took 38,000 to Hampden for the game against Livingston. We took over 30,000 to finals against Kilmarnock and Ross County.
How the hell do they think we couldn't sell 21,000 tickets for this one?
You think sfa would if they weren’t corrupt give a us half and say, if hibs don’t sell the end blocks and if there isn’t a demand we give them back to Celtic.
But no, do it the west coast way and say sod it nah Celtic need extra tickets.
Scottish football at its fairest.
Yea let’s look after Celtic fans before our own and these fans you say are no use to hibs and provide no financial support are the people that probably buy there kids the latest strips and merchandise but maybe can’t afford a season ticket for them or even a semi final ticket! Pathetic commentQuote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
I mean you're right, but it's not exactly news. The cheapest tickets for a Cat A league game at ER are £31. That's what's really outrageous. At least this is a genuine showpiece match (albeit played in a dump).Quote:
Originally Posted by ABZHFC
Scottish football and "Sporting Integrity" are two opposites for sure, no matter previous games it is a cup final and should be split 50/50, don't see how anyone outside of the west can argue with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
going through to this sheitehole is bad enough but to be shafted just getting to the place and watching our wonderful original team in green happens all the time, my first final (Hibs ) was 1968 dont want to remember the score but we were in the shed end of that sheitehole with a crowd of 107,000 they were in amongst us for a wee while as well.
Sporting Integrity **** them all, as I have said before even with the massive financial advantages they have over the rest of Scottish Football they still need to cheat and tip the scales to favour them.
It is easy to argue with because it is the principle of neutrality in a final. You can't give an advantage to one side if it's supposed to be a neutral venue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
To be fair, our demand for tickets does tend to go up when we're playing someone most of our fans think we'll beat. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
It's a final though, there's no way we wouldn't sell out for this.
Only on sale to the lesser greens for now, they are the only ones who can afford them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
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Couldn’t disagree more. If you take your ‘logic’ to its conclusion, Celtc should get 5X the number of tickets we get based in ST sales. You’re also talking rubbish saying fans who only go to big games contribute nothing g to the club. They’re the ones spending a lot of money on merchandise in the club shop at birthdays and Christmas time along with the more regular attenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
So Celtic are getting a bigger allocation than us, get the full north stand and we have to sit in the west. How the **** have we just accepted that? Tell them we’re no playing unless it’s 50/50 [emoji23]
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Although it would never happen and I'm just being blaze but would be interesting if Hibs said they won't play the final unless it's a 5050 split.
Knowing the SPFL they'd probably be delighted and promote Sevco to the final before we even had a chance to end the conversation.
With all the stats and counting going on, it’s worth remembering that Hibs people from all over the British Isles and Ireland (and some from further across the world ) will want to attend this game and it’s too simplistic to think about what we regularly attract when working out the whys and wherefores. It’s a National final and should be treated like one with a 50/50 split. It shouldn’t reflect our average attendance.
There will be boatloads of Celtic coming over for it that don’t attend every week.
Would for instance, the English FA do this to someone like Wolves if they met a club in a national final with double their ST membership? Course not, but that’s the real world not the one we play in.
Exactly. Quite frankly people are on the wind up suggesting otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
Semis and finals aren’t the same beast.
J
Utter tripe. Might as well just play it at Parkhead so all them Celtic season ticket holders get in.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Those 10k Hibs fans might not go to games but maybe they buy stuff from the Hibs shop, maybe they'll be parents to the next generation of Hibs fans, maybe they've moved away and struggle to get to ER, maybe they've gotten on a bit and struggle to get to ER, maybe the guys they used to go with every week have passed on so they dont get to as many games as before, maybe there was a pandemic and theyve lost their job so haven't been to a game for 2 years. Maybe there are a hole list of reasons but duck them EH? Just so long as some Celtic season ticket holder gets a ticket for a supposedly neutral venue.
https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-statement-47804
Ron Gordon is on the SPFL board - also a Huns board member (Stewart Robertson) plus Neil Doncaster (who was at the game yesterday).
Neutral venue in Glasgow..nearly overlooking Celtic park plus Celtic get their usual end so they can feel nice and comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by DH1875
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Originally Posted by GreenCastle
While the Hibs buses will no doubt be redirected to go over the Kingston Bridge and down the M77 to access Hampden from the West Side.
Like I said, we should just play it at Celtic park so their season ticket holders can all get to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
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Originally Posted by DH1875
They could stick us in the South East corner, behind the pillar... unless they suddenly declare a Red Zone and don't let us in.
Finals should always be 50/50, if a team with a small support like an Inverness or St Johnstone can’t sell all their allocation then and only then should more tickets go to the opposition. Any other argument is wrong.
Even worse. A concession is only under 16 so schoolkids and uni students will have to pay full whack.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABZHFC
That's an absolute disgrace with the allocation and I sincerely hope Ron Gordon and/or Ben Kensell are currently in talks with the SPFL as a matter of urgency to demand an equal split.
This is another nonsense that non-OF firms should be challenging every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
Lets look at "no use to Hibs" comment first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
I presume you normally go to a few home games every season so you are part of the 20,000 rather than Aunty Jackie and Cousin Alan who just want to go to cup finals and games against Hearts.
As for the folk from Australia and America etc who pay a subscription for Hibs TV. They support the club so would be eligible for a cup final ticket.
It's about being fair to folk who actively support their teams and Scottish football and that means considering the 50,000 Celtic season ticket holders even if we generally don't like them.
Where do you draw the line?
There are 50,000 seats and once corporate tickets, football association tickets are skimmed off, the remainder are split between the 2 teams
Sadly that isn't nearly enough seats when Rangers and Celtic are involved so even regular attenders lose out.
Hampden - 15 minute drive from Celtic park..
Neutral venue…
They said in the statement they have been and effectively told to bolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
An opportunity for Hibs to punt half season tickets to guarantee a cup final ticket?
What a load of garbage, it’s a national final. 50/50 split. The game is in Glasgow which is an advantage they will now have 32500 to our 17500, another advantage. The decision is a disgraceQuote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
That’s some eyesight tbf ! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
I disagree. It’s a national cup final supposed to be played at a neutral venue. Did those 50,000 Celtic Season ticket holders all attend the previous rounds played at their stadium ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
I don’t think anyone has suggested it shouldn’t be 50/50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
absolutely, i thought i'd saw the end of p@sh like that on here nowadays :agree: St johnstone only took 2k but they would damn well be entitled to how many they thought they could sell to their own fans
WTF does having bigger crowds have to do with playing at a neutral venue. Hibernian could sell 22000. Your logic is nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Neutral venue has nothing to do with where the stadium is located. Celtic have fans from all over Scotland, if the stadium was in Edinburgh, Dundee or Dumfries they'd have the same supportQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
Half the Celtic support don't turn up for games at home (they're the very glory hunters you talk about).Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
They also disappear faster than ***** off a shovel if they're not doing well.
I remember them having crowds of 12-15k in the early 90's, yet funny enough they always got an even split of tickets come cup-final day though.
Perhaps if finals were a genuinely neutral event, more teams might win something, thus resulting in more fans attending games.
The governing body don't want the Old Firm monopoly challenged though, and that results in an uneven distribution of tickets, a ground with specific ends of the stadium attached to each arse cheek, and everyone else having to fall in line.
Well it's about time Hibs said enough is enough.
Same here, I will be home over that time and would have loved a ticket. Doubt that will happen now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
I thought Aberdeen had won a court case which meant they had a right to an opportunity for a 50/50 split. We should have been given an opportunity to sell by a certain date then if not given them to Celtic. Joke to be honest. Fair play my erse.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Thanks just seen the article on the website what an utter disgrace Scottish football is sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
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Originally Posted by Haymaker
sorry but you're of no use to the club i'm afraid :greengrin
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
50k ST or not. It’s a National final where both sides can sell out. It’s a no brainer. Celtic ST holders who miss out can just go to the next one.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Celtic fans (and I don’t know why I’m bothering with them) know the score, they have loyalty points and they understand how to get final tickets.
Let’s not skew the game before it’s even Kicked off.
J
I would certainly hope we've looked at the legalities of this and follow up any findings that show this decision to be wrong. But I'm sure the SPFL have probably got it all sewn up. Disgraceful
There’s definately one poster who thinks Celtic should have more because they have more ST holders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
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Definitely sold out in 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I'd have the club lawyer on this task pronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peanut Shaz
Arguing with Celtic fans on Twitter is pointless. Will never beat an idiot.
Agree. Was going to start on one who commented on a Hibs Facebook post but thought better of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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"Aint no cure for stupid"Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
You would think that them being such a charitable club they would agree to a 50/50 split with the tickets?
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Edinburgh is a City full of lawyers, perhaps one could have a wee look at the discrimination aspect of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peanut Shaz
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Not been since May 2019 thanks to COVID and would've definitely looked into flying back for this one. Looking far less likely now sadly. Still, can sit and watch it in the pub in my recently purchased current away strip and console myself with the thought that I'm "no use to the club" 😭😭😭🤣🤣
Every club in Scotland should be backing Hibs on a 50/50 split, once these unequal distributions start there will be no stopping them.
Any way we can find out how this piss poor decision was made - fans rep?
The SPFL Board has the power to decide split of tickets for Semis and Final......but we have Ron Gordon on the Board so I guess he was outvoted by other Board Members?
It is meant to be a showcase national final and anything other than 50/50 is damaging to Hibs not only on the day but also beyond....I know I have used finals in the past to go in groups that include family and friends along for a day out.....but some end coming along to other games or getting a season ticket.
I could understand Celtic demanding more than 50% if they were playing Inverness or Falkirk, but Hibs? Seriously? When was the last time we didn't sell out at least half of Hampden for a final? 😂😂😂 Mental.
If you draw the line at people who go to some games and subscribe to hibs tv etc. then we'll be over the 21k or whatever that we should have got.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
easy. You draw the line down the middle. 50/50Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Just read a report that they got 20k for 2018 final after complaining. They had to give quite a few back but that is what we should refer too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees