Scott Allan

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Hardly touched the ball for half an hour. Last 15 I thought he showed some really nice touches,

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There’s definitely a difference to his game and it’ll maybe take fans and him a bit time to adjust to the difference.

I doubted him earlier in this thread and after 30 minutes on the park I was all set for an I told you so post on here (I wouldn’t really), but then as you say the last 15 minutes he had a number of decent contributions.

I don’t think he’ll be bursting past players the way he used to but in the right times in the right games he’ll still be able to contribute.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Hardly touched the ball for half an hour. Last 15 I thought he showed some really nice touches. Good assist.

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I see him as being a perfect impact sub for the last 30 mins of a game.

Nice to see him grab an assist.

Delightful wee ball to Boyle. Great sub to have.

Took a while to get into it but did OK overall. Great flick for the 2nd goal

He was the only player on the pitch that would have tried that back heel. He took a while to get going, but when he did he showed he’s still got it. If he could get a run of games I think he’ll show he’s still one of the best players at the club.

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

Took a while to get into it but did OK overall. Great flock for the 2nd goal

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We were playing Livingston today not Aberdeen

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Originally Posted by bingo70

There’s definitely a difference to his game and it’ll maybe take fans and him a bit time to adjust to the difference.

I doubted him earlier in this thread and after 30 minutes on the park I was all set for an I told you so post on here (I wouldn’t really), but then as you say the last 15 minutes he had a number of decent contributions.

I don’t think he’ll be bursting past players the way he used to but in the right times in the right games he’ll still be able to contribute.

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I think part of that might be that he just doesn’t have the sharpness through not playing. But I do agree to an extent.

He set Doyle-Hayes up for a couple of shots with what looked like really simple passes but he just weighted them perfectly and showed a bit of composure when we were lacking that.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

He was the only player on the pitch that would have tried that back heel. He took a while to get going, but when he did he showed he’s still got it. If he could get a run of games I think he’ll show he’s still one of the best players at the club.

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Thought he did well the last 15 but looked very slow and never really got involved for the first 30 mins or so. I think Nisbet, Boyle and Murphy have that type of skill and Magennis shows brilliant touches multiple times again. It was a good assist but there was a similar situation a little while earlier and I thought Allan actually done the defending for Livi getting in Boyles way. Good that he made a contribution and he might get more opportunity with Murphy out as you couldn't play both given how poor they are without the ball. Jack Ross moved the formation and personnel well to allow Scottie that free roll.

I'll be surprised if he's still here next week.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

Thought he did well the last 15 but looked very slow and never really got involved for the first 30 mins or so. I think Nisbet, Boyle and Murphy have that type of skill and Magennis shows brilliant touches multiple times again. It was a good assist but there was a similar situation a little while earlier and I thought Allan actually done the defending for Livi getting in Boyles way. Good that he made a contribution and he might get more opportunity with Murphy out as you couldn't play both given how poor they are without the ball. Jack Ross moved the formation and personnel well to allow Scottie that free roll.

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Bacon or sausage?

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I'll be surprised if he's still here next week.

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I will be surprised if he isn’t.

Brought on as player 12 by the manager so not nearly as far in the desert as David Gray was last season.
Teeing him up to leave or is he still in the picture. Will be an interesting few days.
Must say I am not his greatest fan as a player but I was delighted that he came on rather than Gogic.

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Originally Posted by Since452

We were playing Livingston today not Aberdeen

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Can't baaalieve nobody's got that yew?

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Originally Posted by Tricla

Can't baaalieve nobody's got that yew?

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That’s a baaaaad joke.

still a huge asset to us. Pure class when he’s on form.

if he leaves, now or next year, I’ll wish him the very best but I’ll be gutted.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

He was the only player on the pitch that would have tried that back heel. He took a while to get going, but when he did he showed he’s still got it. If he could get a run of games I think he’ll show he’s still one of the best players at the club.

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That's what you get with Scott Allan. 9/10 a lot of his fancy tricks don't come off but when they do, it inevitably ends up with a goal.

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Originally Posted by AFKA5814_Hibs

That's what you get with Scott Allan. 9/10 a lot of his fancy tricks don't come off but when they do, it inevitably ends up with a goal.

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Not always for us though

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Originally Posted by wookie70

Not always for us though

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Fair point. His mis placed passes could end with an opposition goal. I guess when you play on the edge it can work both ways.

Lack of match sharpness showed but eventually got into the game and showed some nice touches and the back heel for the goal was sublime.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I'll be surprised if he's still here next week.

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he will deffo be here next week. Sublime backheeler for our second goal, Scott’s still got it and deserves a run of games.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I'll be surprised if he's still here next week.

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Of his own volition or moved on by us?

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Originally Posted by vahibbie

he will deffo be here next week. Sublime backheeler for our second goal, Scott’s still got it and deserves a run of games.

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Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

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Originally Posted by coldingham hibs

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

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He's not a waste of a jersey 90% of the time he's on the pitch. That's just ridiculously harsh.

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Originally Posted by coldingham hibs

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

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Pish

The amount of stick Scott Allan seems to be increasingly getting week on week is weird.

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Originally Posted by coldingham hibs

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

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Your first sentence was a fair question. Some of the other stuff is a bit unnecessary particularly given the reason for him struggling a bit.

He’s still capable of the absolutely sublime but the rest of his game appears to have understandably deteriorated. Whether that returns if he gets more game time I have no idea but this Hibs side is hard working and mobile and at this moment in time his play doesn’t fit in to what we do.

It’s worth noting that the much maligned Drey Wright also set up a goal with a beautiful back heel earlier in the season and that’s where I see Scott’s playing time - fifteen to twenty minutes here and there when a key player needs replaced or protected.

If Scott is happy with that then I’m happy to have him here (though his wage would need to reflect that if he was to stay beyond his contact).

If he’s not then I will look back on his time with Hibs with dozens of incredible memories that he’s given us. It’s been a joy at times and I wish him nothing but the best either way.

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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf

The amount of stick Scott Allan seems to be increasingly getting week on week is weird.

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He very rarely gets ‘stick’ compared to most other players - let’s be 100 percent clear about that.

I think the argument going on is that a lot of Scott’s biggest supporters keep saying he ‘deserves’ a run of games and a lot of people quite rightly think that he should be treated the same as others and play himself back in by showing up well when he gets the chance.

Personally I’ve always liked him but not seen anything YET that would merit him being ahead of Magennis, JDH or Newell. Could happen, but to me the signs haven’t been too great - although his moment of magic yesterday shows what a very useful guy he is for us to have around.

He won’t be starting if we have a full squad. Still a place for him in the squad though.

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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf

The amount of stick Scott Allan seems to be increasingly getting week on week is weird.

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Don't think Allan gets stick really. He literally played a square pass 10 yards out wide just after he came on and most of the stadium clapped it.

The fans love the guy and I'm sure he knows it!

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

Don't think Allan gets stick really. He literally played a square pass 10 yards out wide just after he came on and most of the stadium clapped it.

The fans love the guy and I'm sure he knows it!

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He’s said many times he knows the Hibs fans love him and let him off with a lot. Not many players have been able to say that in recent times😀

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

He very rarely gets ‘stick’ compared to most other players - let’s be 100 percent clear about that.

I think the argument going on is that a lot of Scott’s biggest supporters keep saying he ‘deserves’ a run of games and a lot of people quite rightly think that he should be treated the same as others and play himself back in by showing up well when he gets the chance.

Personally I’ve always liked him but not seen anything YET that would merit him being ahead of Magennis, JDH or Newell. Could happen, but to me the signs haven’t been too great - although his moment of magic yesterday shows what a very useful guy he is for us to have around.

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I think it's more on here the few folk been quite overly critical of him. Someone earlier suggested having him in the team is like playing with 10 men. Where has this myth all of a sudden come from?

I think like any player that's coming back from injury (or a severe health scare like his) deserves a chance to get back to sharpness and the fitness levels required through play time when its available, I think yesterday was the longest he's played so far this season and he got an assist with a lovely back heel. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out a player can't get back to their best with cameo appearances.

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Originally Posted by coldingham hibs

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

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Terrible post. Allan is still feeling his way back in but he is always contributing. Last season you could argue magennis didnt look up to it. He just needed a run of games and confidence. And that was after injury. Try a life threatening heart condition.
Mon Scott Allan. The majority are right behind you!

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Originally Posted by coldingham hibs

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

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Horrific post

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Horrific post

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You do sometimes wonder about some of these posters and where their loyalties lie, no real supporter would say such things.

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Originally Posted by coldingham hibs

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

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Cheers for that Pep

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Originally Posted by J-C

You do sometimes wonder about some of these posters and where their loyalties lie, no real supporter would say such things.

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Yep think only a Hearts can't would come out with pish like that.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Of his own volition or moved on by us?

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From where he’s sitting he won’t have a clue! It’s a Hibbyradge thought and no more than that. He has some lovely ones mind but this isn’t one of them.

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Originally Posted by Iggy Pope

From where he’s sitting he won’t have a clue! It’s a Hibbyradge thought and no more than that. He has some lovely ones mind but this isn’t one of them.

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From where I’m sitting, I don’t have a clue either, but I would have thought that most of us Hibby’s would expect Scott to be with us when the window closes. Hibbyradge’s use of ‘surprised’ suggests he knows something others don’t but I think it’s waffle. He doesn’t even try to explain why he would be ‘surprised’. He might now, tho’. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Jim44

From where I’m sitting, I don’t have a clue either, but I would have thought that most of us Hibby’s would expect Scott to be with us when the window closes. Hibbyradge’s use of ‘surprised’ suggests he knows something others don’t but I think it’s waffle. He doesn’t even try to explain why he would be ‘surprised’. He might now, tho’. :greengrin

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Apologies for not being online to reply to your urgent question! :na na:

It's not waffle, it's a genuine comment. I'll be surprised if he's still here. No more, no less than that.

I'll be surprised because I don't think we can afford to have a player on our books who we're only going to use for less than a quarter of the game.

Also, others have suggested that he's looking for a move himself.

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Originally Posted by J-C

You do sometimes wonder about some of these posters and where their loyalties lie, no real supporter would say such things.

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If you can be bothered trawling back through their posts you'll probably find that they were among those people who were saying Magennis was a waste of money.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Apologies for not being online to reply to your urgent question! :na na:

It's not waffle, it's a genuine comment. I'll be surprised if he's still here. No more, no less than that.

I'll be surprised because I don't think we can afford to have a player on our books who we're only going to use for less than a quarter of the game.

Also, others have suggested that he's looking for a move himself.

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Who?

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Originally Posted by Iggy Pope

Who?

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Jeffers on the PM board.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Apologies for not being online to reply to your urgent question! :na na:

It's not waffle, it's a genuine comment. I'll be surprised if he's still here. No more, no less than that.

I'll be surprised because I don't think we can afford to have a player on our books who we're only going to use for less than a quarter of the game.

Also, others have suggested that he's looking for a move himself.

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Fair enough. Given SA’s medical condition and what he’s been through recently, I won’t be surprised if the two parties don’t reach a compromise to keep him at ER in a capacity which is beneficial to both. I think he’ll be with us for the foreseeable future. I’m not so sure that he is looking for a route out of ER as you suggest some are saying. Anyway, we’ll know in a day or two.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

He’s still capable of the absolutely sublime but the rest of his game appears to have understandably deteriorated. Whether that returns if he gets more game time I have no idea but this Hibs side is hard working and mobile and at this moment in time his play doesn’t fit in to what we do.

It’s worth noting that the much maligned Drey Wright also set up a goal with a beautiful back heel earlier in the season and that’s where I see Scott’s playing time - fifteen to twenty minutes here and there when a key player needs replaced or protected.

If Scott is happy with that then I’m happy to have him here (though his wage would need to reflect that if he was to stay beyond his contact).

If he’s not then I will look back on his time with Hibs with dozens of incredible memories that he’s given us. It’s been a joy at times and I wish him nothing but the best either way.

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That is pretty much where I am too. He looks absolutely miles off it to me. Like a George Best type figure(obviously nowhere near as good) who is still capable of a flick or trick or defence splitting pass. His football brain is still the same, which for me is a pity as he often plays a more difficult ball than needed when an equally advantageous ball is on and much easier. He can do that because he seems to get great credit for seeing a pass even though he gives the ball away playing it. That to me is why he keeps trying it, Hibs fans seem to only remember his good passes. I have always hoped he would play the odds a little more wisely and often as he gained games but no sign of that.

I think 90% is very harsh in terms of a man short but he has always been poor when we don't have the ball and is even worse now. We already have Murphy who is like a man short when we don't have the ball so I can't see how you could play them together. Murphy being out is a chance for Scottie so he may well prove me and others wrong.

The thing that rings truest in your post is how hard working this Hibs team is(I'd except Murphy myself). It is very unusual for fans to point to a player not putting a shift in these days. Nisbet, Doidge, Magennis, Boyle all work hard and Doyle-Hayes and Newall all dynamos combine that with fullbacks who go up and down with the ball and we are very mobile and fit. Murphy is our bit of magic and he is in form. Id much rather play him than Allan but I'm hoping Scott can fill that roll and give us even more legs and retain the quality on the ball.

Allan is definitely a useful squad player but he is likely one of our higher earners. If he signs a new contract I would hope it reflects that he is at that level now. Mind you he might get some games with Murphy potentially out and that could force him into Jacks's plans even when we are injury free. I can't see it based on what we have seen so far since his return.

Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to my posts will know I’m a huge Scott Allan fan. I was delighted when he came on yesterday. I thought he did OK, but no more than that until his flick to Boyle. However I personally thought he was too advanced, I’d like to have seen him playing a bit deeper and being given the opportunity to pick a pass.

I’d heard suggestions beforehand that he was carrying a bit of extra weight, but I didn’t think so watching him yesterday, however he just didn’t look right to me. Can’t be specific but just didn’t look 100%. I still hope he just needs regular game time to get back to somewhere close to his previous levels. If not with us, sadly, then another team as is looking more likely. I will repeat myself by saying I don’t see him as an impact sub, he needs, certainly at present, time to play himself into a game.

As much as I love SA and clearly all the Hibs fans do, I honestly don’t think it would make a huge difference to us if he was to leave. He would invariably move to a club not as good as us and as much as I’d me gutted to see him go that’s probably more emotional than practical. He’s got a job to do in our squad this season and would defo contribute a lot but suspect he doesn’t want to be that player playing a supporting role and I can’t blame him for that. It’s a shame as the international break couldn’t have come at a worse time for him and even with the derby I can’t see him starting. Don’t expect him to leave this window but wouldn’t rule it out January if he isn’t playing.

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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

Cheers for that Pep

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Your welcome, I didn’t realise we stopped people having opinions unless they matched yours, but it’s good to know that now.

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Originally Posted by SMAXXA

As much as I love SA and clearly all the Hibs fans do, I honestly don’t think it would make a huge difference to us if he was to leave. He would invariably move to a club not as good as us and as much as I’d me gutted to see him go that’s probably more emotional than practical. He’s got a job to do in our squad this season and would defo contribute a lot but suspect he doesn’t want to be that player playing a supporting role and I can’t blame him for that. It’s a shame as the international break couldn’t have come at a worse time for him and even with the derby I can’t see him starting. Don’t expect him to leave this window but wouldn’t rule it out January if he isn’t playing.

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Unlikely he will start given he has only played a total of 93 league minutes since he came back from his heart condition and about half of them were yesterday. It was January he made his comeback so if he isn't fit now I'm not sure he ever will be. He looked much heavier than he was previously to me and he has lost his turn of speed. That isn't sharpness that is just losing a bit of the advantage he previously had. I'm not blaming him for that as it is admirable he has managed to get back to playing in the top league.

When you look at his form before the injury it was dropping off after a very promising start to the season. He had been scoring goals and also chipping in regularly with assists and good minutes on the park. It fell away a good while before he eventually had to stop for his health.

I suppose the question is can he get back to that form. I can't see it but hope he proves me wrong. It won't be easy though as we have a strong starting 11 with a likely starter coming in a few months and possibly one or two to come in before the window slams shut

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

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Horrific in what way?.

I responded to a suggestion that Allan gets a run of games and asked who would be dropped.

Some people need to take their Scott Allan blinkers off.

The guy has done remarkably well considering his health issues but we are talking about performances on the park. If we have any ambition as a club then we have to look at the big picture. Would anyone on here even consider starting Allan against Hearts?, if not then that says it all.

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Originally Posted by coldingham hibs

Horrific in what way?.

I responded to a suggestion that Allan gets a run of games and asked who would be dropped.

Some people need to take their Scott Allan blinkers off.

The guy has done remarkably well considering his health issues but we are talking about performances on the park. If we have any ambition as a club then we have to look at the big picture. Would anyone on here even consider starting Allan against Hearts?, if not then that says it all.

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I’d be absolutely fine with that.

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Originally Posted by coldingham hibs

Horrific in what way?.

I responded to a suggestion that Allan gets a run of games and asked who would be dropped.

Some people need to take their Scott Allan blinkers off.

The guy has done remarkably well considering his health issues but we are talking about performances on the park. If we have any ambition as a club then we have to look at the big picture. Would anyone on here even consider starting Allan against Hearts?, if not then that says it all.

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The lad had a serious heart condition that could've stopped his whole career and even affected his health, he's under contract and we as a club have a duty to look after him whilst under that contract. He missed a lot of football due to all this and he's doing his best to get back to the levels we know he can reach, will he ever get back there again, we don't know but as long as he's here we can at least get him back on the pitch and contribute one way or another as either a starter or a sub.

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Originally Posted by jeffers

Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to my posts will know I’m a huge Scott Allan fan. I was delighted when he came on yesterday. I thought he did OK, but no more than that until his flick to Boyle. However I personally thought he was too advanced, I’d like to have seen him playing a bit deeper and being given the opportunity to pick a pass.

I’d heard suggestions beforehand that he was carrying a bit of extra weight, but I didn’t think so watching him yesterday, however he just didn’t look right to me. Can’t be specific but just didn’t look 100%. I still hope he just needs regular game time to get back to somewhere close to his previous levels. If not with us, sadly, then another team as is looking more likely. I will repeat myself by saying I don’t see him as an impact sub, he needs, certainly at present, time to play himself into a game.

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Agree that he was too advanced. He was playing up level with the striker most of the time. He looked like he wanted to drop deep to pick up the ball but seemed to stick with what he'd been told. He did seem to look across at the bench quizically a few times though. It was a good sub though as it would have been a real blow to him if McKay came on instead of him.

He certainly looked fit during his warm-up and as his game has never really been about pace, I dont see why he doesnt have something to offer and wouldnt be writing him off. If we stick with 4-5-1 then he definitely remains an option as an attacking midfielder.


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Don't see why Scott Allan wouldn't want a supporting role. He wasted 4 years at Celtic for the money, pretty sure he'll be happy contributing and getting a good wage here for another year.

The theory of him leaving is based on nothing really. Jamie Gullan is an example of someone who will be away, hes not kicked a ball. Allan has already played 5 matches this season.

I think Scott Allan looked the closest to his old self yesterday. Moved more freely (looked fitter or had less weight on his mind whichever it might be).

Don't think he'd start before Magennis and JDH most weeks but more than ample competition for Newell and Gogic.

If he leaves then all the best to him. Can't see it though as I think he'll want to enjoy the remaining years of football and feel loved by the fans.

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Originally Posted by madhatter

I think Scott Allan looked the closest to his old self yesterday. Moved more freely (looked fitter or had less weight on his mind whichever it might be).

Don't think he'd start before Magennis and JDH most weeks but more than ample competition for Newell and Gogic.

If he leaves then all the best to him. Can't see it though as I think he'll want to enjoy the remaining years of football and feel loved by the fans.

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Originally Posted by madhatter

I think Scott Allan looked the closest to his old self yesterday. Moved more freely (looked fitter or had less weight on his mind whichever it might be).

Don't think he'd start before Magennis and JDH most weeks but more than ample competition for Newell and Gogic.

If he leaves then all the best to him. Can't see it though as I think he'll want to enjoy the remaining years of football and feel loved by the fans.

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No for me Scott wants to play after what could have ended his career hope it’s with us if not he goes with all our best

We should empty Scott I'm afraid. Far too lightweight for the premier league. I love the guy but......................

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Originally Posted by coldingham hibs

Horrific in what way?.

I responded to a suggestion that Allan gets a run of games and asked who would be dropped.

Some people need to take their Scott Allan blinkers off.

The guy has done remarkably well considering his health issues but we are talking about performances on the park. If we have any ambition as a club then we have to look at the big picture. Would anyone on here even consider starting Allan against Hearts?, if not then that says it all.

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I have no issue with starting Allan in that game at all. If anything I want to see him given the chance in it.

We are a worse side when Scott is in it. That's the sad truth. Drey Wright got slaughtered by some and he was much better than Allan when he came on.

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Originally Posted by Since452

We are a worse side when Scott is in it. That's the sad truth. Drey Wright got slaughtered by some and he was much better than Allan when he came on.

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Amazing we actually managed to win on Saturday when he played, oh and his fluke back heel for the 2nd

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Originally Posted by J-C

Amazing we actually managed to win on Saturday when he played, oh and his fluke back heel for the 2nd

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I think what he is getting at is when we are out of possession it's like playing with 10 men. With the ball, Allan is fine and it was a nice flick.

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Originally Posted by Since452

We are a worse side when Scott is in it. That's the sad truth. Drey Wright got slaughtered by some and he was much better than Allan when he came on.

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That's very much like comparing apples and oranges though.

Both players did the job that they were there to do whilst maybe not being at their very best. Both will also benefit from having had some time on the pitch and my main criticism of the pair of them would be that they both looked - understandably - a bit rusty.

I thought we looked a better side after Scott Allan went on, and I thought we looked a bit tighter defensively on our left when Wright came on.

It will be cameo appearances for Scott from now on if he stays.

Is everyone just ignoring the backheel assist?

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Is everyone just ignoring the backheel assist?

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You feel it’s not been mentioned enough?

I’m somewhere in the middle on the whole debate as I’d love him to get back to where he was - I’m not seeing a lot of hope but am willing him to get there.

However … those advocating he starts at Tynie… dearie me- cmon.

Are some of you guys forgetting he had a serious heart condition and we're lucky he's able to play at all. He missed a huge chunk of football and if all we get from him is the odd half here and there then I'm fine with that.

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Jeffers on the PM board.

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Reads a lot like Jeffers thoughts on the matter rather than anything he knows.

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

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I think what he is getting at is when we are out of possession it's like playing with 10 men. With the ball, Allan is fine and it was a nice flick.

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Off the ball isn't just winning tackles. Scott's pressing was unbelievable on Saturday, constantly chasing down defenders and not giving their midfielders a minutes peace.

Up until the back heel, didn't think he contributed much on the ball (but we didn't necessarily play through him either), but to suggest he's like a man down isn't right, he worked his socks off.

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Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

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Ooh look at me.

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Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

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Depends what you want in a footballer, there is room in a team for all types, Latapy, Riordan, Zemmama could all have quiet games and get accused of being lazy but the one bit of outrageous play they come up with can win you a game, that's why I watch football, not to see 11 folk that can run and run all day and play football like painting by numbers

I think a few of us are forgetting SA’s back heel assist on Saturday.

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Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

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Enjoy Gogic....

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I think a few of us are forgetting SA’s back heel assist on Saturday.

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I doubt it, given that it's mentioned at less than 2 hour intervals.

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Reads a lot like Jeffers thoughts on the matter rather than anything he knows.

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Oh does it.

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Apologies for not being online to reply to your urgent question! :na na:

It's not waffle, it's a genuine comment. I'll be surprised if he's still here. No more, no less than that.

I'll be surprised because I don't think we can afford to have a player on our books who we're only going to use for less than a quarter of the game.

Also, others have suggested that he's looking for a move himself.

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Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to my posts will know I’m a huge Scott Allan fan. I was delighted when he came on yesterday. I thought he did OK, but no more than that until his flick to Boyle. However I personally thought he was too advanced, I’d like to have seen him playing a bit deeper and being given the opportunity to pick a pass.

I’d heard suggestions beforehand that he was carrying a bit of extra weight, but I didn’t think so watching him yesterday, however he just didn’t look right to me. Can’t be specific but just didn’t look 100%. I still hope he just needs regular game time to get back to somewhere close to his previous levels. If not with us, sadly, then another team as is looking more likely. I will repeat myself by saying I don’t see him as an impact sub, he needs, certainly at present, time to play himself into a game.

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Reads a lot like Jeffers thoughts on the matter rather than anything he knows.

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Oh does it.

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Aye, I suppose it does and I hope you’re wrong.

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Aye, I suppose it does and I hope you’re wrong.

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The post that D referred to wasn’t on this board though.

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Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

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You've no idea what people see in allan? Your eyes are painted on or your at the wind up.

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The post that D referred to wasn’t on this board though.

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I’ve read that one too, of course, albeit this discussion is on this board.

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I’ve read that one too, of course.

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In that case I’m puzzled by your take on what I said then.

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In that case I’m puzzled by your take on what I said then.

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I quoted what was said on here Jeffers and I thought big old D :greengrin had more than just your example if I’m honest.. Don’t think I can quote across the boards and I really only use the MB for posting anyway. Do you think Scott Allan is actively touting for a move then, hoping for a move?

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I quoted what was said on here Jeffers and I thought big old D :greengrin had more than just your example if I’m honest.. Don’t think I can quote across the boards and I really only use the MB for posting anyway. Do you think Scott Allan is actively touting for a move then, hoping for a move?

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Fair enough.

I said I’d heard he was looking to move. Hope it doesn’t happen, but wouldn’t surprise me. He wants to play football, which is totally understandable after what he went through last year.

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Fair enough.

I said I’d heard he was looking to move. Hope it doesn’t happen, but wouldn’t surprise me. He wants to play football, which is totally understandable after what he went through last year.

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Well he is getting a bit of football now and after what he went through I’d be disappointed all round if he had to move.

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Well he is getting a bit of football now and after what he went through I’d be disappointed all round if he had to move.

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So would I, but I’m not convinced it’s anywhere near enough for him, nor do I think he’s an impact sub.

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So would I, but I’m not convinced it’s anywhere near enough for him, nor do I think he’s an impact sub.

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Given his problem last year and now fighting his way back to some level of match fitness I’d think it’s about right.
Anyhoo, love him to bits and hope it’s here he stays.

Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. Some people almost willing the laddie away and others worried if he gets a run of games (due to the current injury situation) that'll it'll be to the detriment of the team.

We need to remember he's been through a hellish health scare and will take time to get back to his best. Look at Kyle Magennis. He was out for ages with injury and when he returned, loads on here said he wasn't good enough for Hibs. A good pre-season and a decent run in the team and he's now looking like one of the top midfielders in the league.

Scotty will need reintegrated slowly, more slowly than Kyle did. I guess nobody knows if he'll get back to the Scotty of old. However, I'm sure if the doctors and the coaches at Hibs didn't think there was a chance, or if playing him would be to the detriment of the team, then he wouldn't play. It's not like we're big a big enough club awash with cash who can have passengers like that.

I'm going to trust their judgement and support Scotty when he plays. I hope the silver lining to our current injury situation is that he does get a run of games and it kicks him on.

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Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

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Goals and assists are what anyone with eyes sees in him. 10 goals 12 assists in his first season back which was cut short with covid. Is that crap aye?

Seriously, you've embarrassed yourself with that post.

What a backheel though. Still think he will be an impact sub.

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Off the ball isn't just winning tackles. Scott's pressing was unbelievable on Saturday, constantly chasing down defenders and not giving their midfielders a minutes peace.

Up until the back heel, didn't think he contributed much on the ball (but we didn't necessarily play through him either), but to suggest he's like a man down isn't right, he worked his socks off.

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Funny I would describe his pressing as lacklustre. There was also a few challenges where he noticeable didn't fancy it. His back heel was very good and he played a couple of simple balls in good areas. He actually did better than he has in previous cameos so perhaps more game time will see improvements.

He is still miles off it and remember we were playing a team we were a good bit ahead of. In a game like a Derby he may well be completely anonymous, he could also be the difference. That is the conundrum with Allan. Not quite all or nothing but to me he would be nowhere near a start against Hearts. Hopefully we will have one or two more in to give us more options.

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Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. Some people almost willing the laddie away and others worried if he gets a run of games (due to the current injury situation) that'll it'll be to the detriment of the team.

We need to remember he's been through a hellish health scare and will take time to get back to his best. Look at Kyle Magennis. He was out for ages with injury and when he returned, loads on here said he wasn't good enough for Hibs. A good pre-season and a decent run in the team and he's now looking like one of the top midfielders in the league.

Scotty will need reintegrated slowly, more slowly than Kyle did. I guess nobody knows if he'll get back to the Scotty of old. However, I'm sure if the doctors and the coaches at Hibs didn't think there was a chance, or if playing him would be to the detriment of the team, then he wouldn't play. It's not like we're big a big enough club awash with cash who can have passengers like that.

I'm going to trust their judgement and support Scotty when he plays. I hope the silver lining to our current injury situation is that he does get a run of games and it kicks him on.

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He played half a season for Inverness after his heart condition and has just had a full pre-season where he got loads of game time.

This is as fit as Scott Allan is going to be. He’s not recovering from an injury just now, this is just him.

I’m definitely not writing him off, I think he’ll need to reinvent himself as a different type of player to the one he was before but right now I don’t think he’s there yet. That’s nothing to do with being integrated slowly back into the team though, he’s just going to be a different player to the one he was before I think.

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Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. Some people almost willing the laddie away and others worried if he gets a run of games (due to the current injury situation) that'll it'll be to the detriment of the team.

We need to remember he's been through a hellish health scare and will take time to get back to his best. Look at Kyle Magennis. He was out for ages with injury and when he returned, loads on here said he wasn't good enough for Hibs. A good pre-season and a decent run in the team and he's now looking like one of the top midfielders in the league.

Scotty will need reintegrated slowly, more slowly than Kyle did. I guess nobody knows if he'll get back to the Scotty of old. However, I'm sure if the doctors and the coaches at Hibs didn't think there was a chance, or if playing him would be to the detriment of the team, then he wouldn't play. It's not like we're big a big enough club awash with cash who can have passengers like that.

I'm going to trust their judgement and support Scotty when he plays. I hope the silver lining to our current injury situation is that he does get a run of games and it kicks him on.

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I agree. What seems to have been missed is that Allan started our first competitive game this season. He was replaced for good tactical reasons followed Newell's red card. His replacement has blown everyone away.
Ross doesn't drop players who are doing the kind of job Magennis has been doing.
Allan's had a patchy start to the season as result.

I'm sure he'll make a significant contribution.

Some back heel on Saturday

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Some back heel on Saturday

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Must have missed that.

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Must have missed that.

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He played half a season for Inverness after his heart condition and has just had a full pre-season where he got loads of game time.

This is as fit as Scott Allan is going to be. He’s not recovering from an injury just now, this is just him.

I’m definitely not writing him off, I think he’ll need to reinvent himself as a different type of player to the one he was before but right now I don’t think he’s there yet. That’s nothing to do with being integrated slowly back into the team though, he’s just going to be a different player to the one he was before I think.

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Not sure I agree with that bit. It could take a run of 15 or more games to help him get the sharpness back he needs. He's missed a lot of football for reasons not many miss it for. He may also need that to dispel any psychological issues the type of ailment he had created. I can imagine having a heart issue may cause you to have some anxieties about exerting yourself until you know your body can handle it.

My main point was that some posters were basically saying he's a liability and he's done which I feel is unfair and we're not at a stage where we can say that yet.

Like I said, JR isn't going to put him in the team in any capacity if he doesn't think he can do a job. I'm quite happy to go along with what he and the medical staff at ER think.

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Some back heel on Saturday

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He played half a season for Inverness after his heart condition and has just had a full pre-season where he got loads of game time.

This is as fit as Scott Allan is going to be. He’s not recovering from an injury just now, this is just him.

I’m definitely not writing him off, I think he’ll need to reinvent himself as a different type of player to the one he was before but right now I don’t think he’s there yet. That’s nothing to do with being integrated slowly back into the team though, he’s just going to be a different player to the one he was before I think.

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Thanks for your expert medical opinion.

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Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

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Thanks for your expert medical opinion.

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I know you were trying to be a smart arse but I Don’t think I’ve provided a medical opinion? I also don’t think I’ve said anything particularly offensive there that warranted a response like yours.

Just to clarify, I’m not writing Scott Allan off, I think his game will change slightly as he appears to have lost his wee burst of pace that took him past players. I also think that since he was on loan to Inverness last season and then had a full pre-season with no serious injuries and getting plenty game time, he’s now fully fit.

If you disagree with all of that then that’s fine, that’s the point of this place.

Absolutely no need to be a dick about it though.