Jackson Irvine

Goodbye 👋

Goodbye to whom ???

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Originally Posted by Eyrie

We may already have Irvine's replacement in Magennis who is best in a central position.

If Magennis turns out to be the player Ross expects, then a midfield of Gogic, Magennis and Allan is very tasty.

Problem there though is that leaves Murphy as Allan's understudy and nowhere for Mackay.

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You’re forgetting Joe Newell. Wouldn’t be in my team but will be in any team JR is picking when he’s available and I think Irvine suffered for that

Still to see anything at all from Magennis to suggest he’ll be good in any position for us. If he doesn’t get this much talked about pre season and hit the ground running next season (which I hope he does) he’ll be done here IMO.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

You’re forgetting Joe Newell. Wouldn’t be in my team but will be in any team JR is picking when he’s available and I think Irvine suffered for that

Still to see anything at all from Magennis to suggest he’ll be good in any position for us. If he doesn’t get this much talked about pre season and hit the ground running next season (which I hope he does) he’ll be done here IMO.

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It’s going to be a big season for Magennis. If he doesn’t shine it would look like a particularly bad bit of business for Hibs and for Ross.

Equally, with regard to Newell. I seriously hope he’s not guaranteed stick on starter next season. If Ross is hoping to take the team forward, a place needs to be earned.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

You’re forgetting Joe Newell. Wouldn’t be in my team but will be in any team JR is picking when he’s available and I think Irvine suffered for that

Still to see anything at all from Magennis to suggest he’ll be good in any position for us. If he doesn’t get this much talked about pre season and hit the ground running next season (which I hope he does) he’ll be done here IMO.

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Newell wouldn't be in my starting XI either, hence why I left him out.

Strange because I was pleased when he signed a new deal, but I think I've gone off him a bit because he's too deliberate when in possession which makes it easy for teams who want to sit back against us.

Agree that Magennis has to step up though.

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Originally Posted by staunchhibby

Goodbye to whom ???

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I presumed the player in the thread title. Unless Hibiza isn't feeling so good?

Some journalist on Twitter saying hes signed for Dons

Wouldn’t shed any tears if he left.

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Originally Posted by Robbo6-2

Some journalist on Twitter saying hes signed for Dons

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Good , I hope they're paying him a big wedge

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Originally Posted by Robbo6-2

Some journalist on Twitter saying hes signed for Dons

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If true then it just shows money is the most important thing to most if not all players.

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Originally Posted by Robbo6-2

Some journalist on Twitter saying hes signed for Dons

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Can’t see anything?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Can’t see anything?

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school boy error leaving out the journos name - the Force is weak in that one.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Can’t see anything?

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Maybe the boy is stuck in a time warp and was referring to Brian Irvine?

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Originally Posted by Robbo6-2

Some journalist on Twitter saying hes signed for Dons

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Won`t be bothered at all if true . If we`re hoping to improve on last season we need to improve in all positions and I`m sure we can find better or at least more effective players than him for same money .

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Originally Posted by Eyrie

We may already have Irvine's replacement in Magennis who is best in a central position.

If Magennis turns out to be the player Ross expects, then a midfield of Gogic, Magennis and Allan is very tasty.

Problem there though is that leaves Murphy as Allan's understudy and nowhere for Mackay.

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I will be pretty worried if we go into next season with Gogic, Maginnis and Allan as a midfield.

We seriously need to strengthen that area and that’s if we keep Irvine. It’s been found out a few times and wouldn’t be confident with same players again next season.

I like Irvine as a player. Hope he signs on again but if he goes for more Money back down south then fair enough. If he goes to the sheep then **** him.

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Originally Posted by CmoantheHibs

I like Irvine as a player. Hope he signs on again but if he goes for more Money back down south then fair enough. If he goes to the sheep then **** him.

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Totally 100% agree with this.

As said in a previous post I rate Jackson highly. If he goes to the Dandies it will be embarrassing for us. If he moves to a club elsewhere no worries whatsoever. Personally, I'd love him to stay. Come on Jackson do the decent thing and either sign on (hopefully) or at least don't embarrass us and move on to similar sized rival clubs.

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Originally Posted by Weegreenman

Wouldn’t shed any tears if he left.

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The only one I definately want to keep from our current midfield is Gogic, I hope Irvane signs a new deal because I think he will improve with having played half a season, and a pre season, I think he probably was a bit behind the pace due to his time out the game, but like you I wouldn't shed a tear if he left.

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Originally Posted by Blurry Face

Just curious, which player leaving would reduce you to tears?

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Rowan vine

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Originally Posted by Viva_Palmeiras

Maybe the boy is stuck in a time warp and was referring to Brian Irvine?

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Brian Irvine is of the required age for the Aberdeen team he would fit in well at the Aberdeen FC retirement home.

Always reminds me of the Rugby boy at school joining in with the fitba

Fit as a butchers dug, runs around a lot, no got a clue what he is doing, two left feet and largely anonymous

If he stays fair enough he may benefit from a preseason if he goes I would like to think we could do better for the same dough

i'm a bit 'meh ' The fact i could't give a toss if he left leaves me neither here nor there

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

Always reminds me of the Rugby boy at school joining in with the fitba

Fit as a butchers dug, runs around a lot, no got a clue what he is doing, two left feet and largely anonymous

If he stays fair enough he may benefit from a preseason if he goes I would like to think we could do better for the same dough

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I’m not sure I’ve been watching the same games as you for the last 4 months? This place is mental sometimes

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Originally Posted by davhibby

I’m not sure I’ve been watching the same games as you for the last 4 months? This place is mental sometimes

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Just my opinion

I have not seen anything different to persuade me otherwise

Sometimes I have to remind myself he is playing :greengrin

Needs to show more composure and quality on the ball and seriously work on his final ball and finishing

Which is why most people are meh if he stays or goes

There is class there is first class and then there is HIBS class

We ended up signing the 2, what we expected to be, ball winning/box to box centre midfielders we’d been crying out for in Irvine and Magennis. Both have disappointed in my view, willing to give them both a pre-season before I pass judgment but if the intention is to play them in the same position they’ve been deployed thus far why bother keeping either of them.

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Originally Posted by hibee-boys

We ended up signing the 2, what we expected to be, ball winning/box to box centre midfielders we’d been crying out for in Irvine and Magennis. Both have disappointed in my view, willing to give them both a pre-season before I pass judgment but if the intention is to play them in the same position they’ve been deployed thus far why bother keeping either of them.

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Magennis has four years left on a five year deal.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Magennis has four years left on a five year deal.

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Magennis was also just coming back from a serious long term injury. And hit by Covid after he joined us. He’ll benefit massively from a full pre-season and should be a big player for us next season. Folk seem to write him off before considering what the boy’s been through.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Magennis has four years left on a five year deal.

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Yes, and I’m sure he’ll not be wanting to be hanging about that long if he’s coming off the bench to play wide left.

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Originally Posted by hibee-boys

Yes, and I’m sure he’ll not be wanting to be hanging about that long if he’s coming off the bench to play wide left.

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We did have a wide left player signed, but he kept getting injured. We went with a small squad to maximise the quality, but we did have to play players wide left and it did them no favours, but in the grand scheme it worked out.

We now have brought someone else in who can play left side midfield, and we are building again from a stronger base, unless we get rid of them all as some are suggesting?

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Originally Posted by hibee-boys

Yes, and I’m sure he’ll not be wanting to be hanging about that long if he’s coming off the bench to play wide left.

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I thought that had been Doig's role this season. How wide is wide left in a three man central midfield (assuming three central defenders and a five man midfield).

i tried to spark a conversation about modern tactics and formations on a thread earlier, no one interested really (story of my life)

I'm in-between with Jackson Irvine, I see a good footballer but played the wrong way with Hibs. The footage I've seen him at his best is playing a little deeper in midfield and driving forward centrally, very athletic, however he's been played in a more left sided role at Hibs. Didn't impose himself in the big games for me, looked better against weaker teams. Would I be pushing to make him the highest earner which he would be - no. Would I like to see him next to more creative players in midfield, yes.

I'm perhaps basing it on the important games where for me he's been posted missing.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I thought that had been Doig's role this season. How wide is wide left in a three man central midfield (assuming three central defenders and a five man midfield).

i tried to spark a conversation about modern tactics and formations on a thread earlier, no one interested really (story of my life)

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Fine asking Doig to provide the width when we play a back three but we regularly played with back and midfield fours, including last week. At times, it’s meant having someone like Irvine out of position.

I don’t think we’ve done anything that is particularly modern tactic wise. That’s not a criticism to be fair, I just think football is rarely as complicated as it’s made out to be in an age where every last detail is analysed to death. I know you have the Pep’s of this world playing with false nines and whatever, but I think it’s a lot more straightforward than that for us with the players at our level.

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Originally Posted by tamig

Magennis was also just coming back from a serious long term injury. And hit by Covid after he joined us. He’ll benefit massively from a full pre-season and should be a big player for us next season. Folk seem to write him off before considering what the boy’s been through.

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That's a good point, obviously it's the midfield that has to be re-built, to kick on next season and Magennis is kind of the forgotten man.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

I'm in-between with Jackson Irvine, I see a good footballer but played the wrong way with Hibs. The footage I've seen him at his best is playing a little deeper in midfield and driving forward centrally, very athletic, however he's been played in a more left sided role at Hibs. Didn't impose himself in the big games for me, looked better against weaker teams. Would I be pushing to make him the highest earner which he would be - no. Would I like to see him next to more creative players in midfield, yes.

I'm perhaps basing it on the important games where for me he's been posted missing.

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Understand what you are saying however I would like him to stay as think he will be much better Actually thought two of his better games were the United semi final and Aberdeen away.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

I'm in-between with Jackson Irvine, I see a good footballer but played the wrong way with Hibs. The footage I've seen him at his best is playing a little deeper in midfield and driving forward centrally, very athletic, however he's been played in a more left sided role at Hibs. Didn't impose himself in the big games for me, looked better against weaker teams. Would I be pushing to make him the highest earner which he would be - no. Would I like to see him next to more creative players in midfield, yes.

I'm perhaps basing it on the important games where for me he's been posted missing.

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Which comes back to a point I've raised a few times.

There's been a lot of debate about our best midfield, but nobody mentioned playing either Irvine or Gogic, which for me is the decision that should have been made when everyone was available.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Which comes back to a point I've raised a few times.

There's been a lot of debate about our best midfield, but nobody mentioned playing either Irvine or Gogic, which for me is the decision that should have been made when everyone was available.

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I thought it has been discussed quite a lot. Our best midfield performance of the season, IMO, was the win against Aberdeen at home. With Gogic, Irvine & Murphy. Those 3 gave us the best balance and the closest 3 to replicating the McGeough, McGinn, Allan axis in terms of 3 distinct roles that compliment each other.

Newell is the odd one out IMO. He doesn’t particularly fit alongside either Gogic or Irvine, and when he does the midfield is less than the sum of its parts, but Irvine & Gogic can fit together.

I wonder if Ross views Newell in terms of his stats, I’m sure it’s often pointed to that Newell has the most tackles and interceptions in our team. That’s difficult to argue against, but the less scientific, more visual indication is that our midfield is better without Newell IMO.

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

I thought it has been discussed quite a lot. Our best midfield performance of the season, IMO, was the win against Aberdeen at home. With Gogic, Irvine & Murphy. Those 3 gave us the best balance and the closest 3 to replicating the McGeough, McGinn, Allan axis in terms of 3 distinct roles that compliment each other.

Newell is the odd one out IMO. He doesn’t particularly fit alongside either Gogic or Irvine, and when he does the midfield is less than the sum of its parts, but Irvine & Gogic can fit together.

I wonder if Ross views Newell in terms of his stats, I’m sure it’s often pointed to that Newell has the most tackles and interceptions in our team. That’s difficult to argue against, but the less scientific, more visual indication is that our midfield is better without Newell IMO.

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Well said. I completely agree.

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

I thought it has been discussed quite a lot. Our best midfield performance of the season, IMO, was the win against Aberdeen at home. With Gogic, Irvine & Murphy. Those 3 gave us the best balance and the closest 3 to replicating the McGeough, McGinn, Allan axis in terms of 3 distinct roles that compliment each other.

Newell is the odd one out IMO. He doesn’t particularly fit alongside either Gogic or Irvine, and when he does the midfield is less than the sum of its parts, but Irvine & Gogic can fit together.

I wonder if Ross views Newell in terms of his stats, I’m sure it’s often pointed to that Newell has the most tackles and interceptions in our team. That’s difficult to argue against, but the less scientific, more visual indication is that our midfield is better without Newell IMO.

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Irvine & Gogic might be able to play together but I don't think we need them both at the same time.

I'd have went with one of the two + Newell + Murphy.

(but I'm no expert either)

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

I thought it has been discussed quite a lot. Our best midfield performance of the season, IMO, was the win against Aberdeen at home. With Gogic, Irvine & Murphy. Those 3 gave us the best balance and the closest 3 to replicating the McGeough, McGinn, Allan axis in terms of 3 distinct roles that compliment each other.

Newell is the odd one out IMO. He doesn’t particularly fit alongside either Gogic or Irvine, and when he does the midfield is less than the sum of its parts, but Irvine & Gogic can fit together.

I wonder if Ross views Newell in terms of his stats, I’m sure it’s often pointed to that Newell has the most tackles and interceptions in our team. That’s difficult to argue against, but the less scientific, more visual indication is that our midfield is better without Newell IMO.

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I’d argue our best performances have been with Hallberg and Newell in the middle of the park. Hamilton and Motherwell away, along with the semi final. Whether you want to add a third or go with those two, it should be them as first choices based on performances.

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

I thought it has been discussed quite a lot. Our best midfield performance of the season, IMO, was the win against Aberdeen at home. With Gogic, Irvine & Murphy. Those 3 gave us the best balance and the closest 3 to replicating the McGeough, McGinn, Allan axis in terms of 3 distinct roles that compliment each other.

Newell is the odd one out IMO. He doesn’t particularly fit alongside either Gogic or Irvine, and when he does the midfield is less than the sum of its parts, but Irvine & Gogic can fit together.

I wonder if Ross views Newell in terms of his stats, I’m sure it’s often pointed to that Newell has the most tackles and interceptions in our team. That’s difficult to argue against, but the less scientific, more visual indication is that our midfield is better without Newell IMO.

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Agree with this.

might want to be having a look at kenny dougall of blackpool two gals today jackson maybe in the know with this fellow.

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Originally Posted by cannastar

might want to be having a look at kenny dougall of blackpool two gals today jackson maybe in the know with this fellow.

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Ally Brazil scored a hat trick against Celtic, just saying likes 😂

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Originally Posted by Kojock

Ally Brazil scored a hat trick against Celtic, just saying likes 😂

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Kenny is a Brisbane lad, came through the Roars youth system and then moved to Holland I think Blackpool picked him up from Barnsley. He'll be playing in the Championship next season makes his wage demands difficult for us.

IMO if Irvine stays,it’s because he’s not got a better offer from elsewhere.
Is this a good enough reason for him staying open to question.
On the home website current first team squad midfielders are listed as :-
Steven Bradley,Fraser Murray,Jackson Irvine,Martin Boyle,Kyle Magennis,Alex Gogic,Stevie Mallan,
Scott Allan,Drey Wright,Jamie Murphy,Stephen McGinn,Daniel Mackay.
Add to that Chris Cadden who’s listed as a defender but played in midfield.
Also development squad players coming back of loan such as Josh Campbell.
WHO STAYS,WHO GOES ?

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

IMO if Irvine stays,it’s because he’s not got a better offer from elsewhere.
Is this a good enough reason for him staying open to question.
On the home website current first team squad midfielders are listed as :-
Steven Bradley,Fraser Murray,Jackson Irvine,Martin Boyle,Kyle Magennis,Alex Gogic,Stevie Mallan,
Scott Allan,Drey Wright,Jamie Murphy,Stephen McGinn,Daniel Mackay.
Add to that Chris Cadden who’s listed as a defender but played in midfield.
Also development squad players coming back of loan such as Josh Campbell.
WHO STAYS,WHO GOES ?

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Seemed to have missed out Joe Newell and Merkel Hallbetg.So add them to the pot

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

IMO if Irvine stays,it’s because he’s not got a better offer from elsewhere.

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Isn't that the case with every player, apart from Hanlon and Stevenson?

Personally speaking can take Irvine or leave him. Was excited when he signed but have to admit been slightly disappointed with him to be honest. Doesnt help that he and Newall dont seem to be able to play together. Both decent players but just a bad fit together. European football will hopefully attract new players.

I do not think we will see him back at Hibs.
He has played in 2 of the 3 Australia WC qualifiers in Kuwait so far, and though the opposition has been poor, he has played well, and I doubt that this will go unnoticed by teams with more money in the kitty than us.

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Originally Posted by ddoc

I do not think we will see him back at Hibs.
He has played in 2 of the 3 Australia WC qualifiers in Kuwait so far, and though the opposition has been poor, he has played well, and I doubt that this will go unnoticed by teams with more money in the kitty than us.

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Agreed. I think he's gone into these games knowing it might create a new opportunity for him, with our contract offer available as a fall back.

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Originally Posted by Craigmount Hibs

Agreed. I think he's gone into these games knowing it might create a new opportunity for him, with our contract offer available as a fall back.

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I think most folk realised that, when he signed for us, it was probably stop-gap and a stepping stone for him. Without standing out, he became popular with a lot of us as a good squad member and he himself said all the right things, giving the impression that he was enjoying his time at ER. It’s fairly clear now that he is looking for the best deal he can get so we would be wise to assume he is gone and to concentrate on finding a good replacement. I’m confident that among all the Euro fever, JR and Mathie will be doing their homework and not sitting on the end of the phone in anticipation of Irvine’s call.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

I think most folk realised that, when he signed for us, it was probably stop-gap and a stepping stone for him. Without standing out, he became popular with a lot of us as a good squad member and he himself said all the right things, giving the impression that he was enjoying his time at ER. It’s fairly clear now that he is looking for the best deal he can get so we would be wise to assume he is gone and to concentrate on finding a good replacement. I’m confident that among all the Euro fever, JR and Mathie will be doing their homework and not sitting on the end of the phone in anticipation of Irvine’s call.

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What puzzles me is that this is a guy who could not find a club for 10 months. sitting in his house twiddling his thumbs. Gets the call from Hibs and lets be honest, was pretty average most of the games he played.

Now it appears he is stalling on signing for us in the hope he earns more dough from another team who had 10 months to sign him when he was a free agent.

I'd hunt him out the door. He should be walking over broken glass to sign for Hibs.

Aye, he’s stalling. Went from waiting for the end of the league season to after the cup final to now after he’s done with international duty. We can surely only wait for so long?

“There’s nothing at the moment. I’m fully focused on being in this camp, focusing on these games, and the future will take care to itself.
There’s conversations still happening with Hibs and we’re comfortable with where we’re at, at the moment.
I’m not in a rush to make a decision, especially while I’m here. I’ll deal with my domestic club future at the end of this camp.“

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Aye, he’s stalling. Went from waiting for the end of the league season to after the cup final to now after he’s done with international duty. We can surely only wait for so long?

“There’s nothing at the moment. I’m fully focused on being in this camp, focusing on these games, and the future will take care to itself.
There’s conversations still happening with Hibs and we’re comfortable with where we’re at, at the moment.
I’m not in a rush to make a decision, especially while I’m here. I’ll deal with my domestic club future at the end of this camp.“

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There is something at the moment .... a deal on the table. He’s got an agent. I think Australia’s last game is tomorrow so I assume he will be back by the end of the week.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Aye, he’s stalling. Went from waiting for the end of the league season to after the cup final to now after he’s done with international duty. We can surely only wait for so long?

“There’s nothing at the moment. I’m fully focused on being in this camp, focusing on these games, and the future will take care to itself.
There’s conversations still happening with Hibs and we’re comfortable with where we’re at, at the moment.
I’m not in a rush to make a decision, especially while I’m here. I’ll deal with my domestic club future at the end of this camp.“

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He might not be in a rush but we have a new season to think about, take away his contract offer and move on, sod him.

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Originally Posted by J-C

He might not be in a rush but we have a new season to think about, take away his contract offer and move on, sod him.

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I’m not in a rush to make a decision ........ not really what you want to hear from prospective signing. I’m inclined to agree that we should be looking elsewhere. Mind you, we probably are.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

I’m not in a rush to make a decision ........ not really what you want to hear from prospective signing. I’m inclined to agree that we should be looking elsewhere. Mind you, we probably are.

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Agreed. Offer withdrawn.

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I’m not in a rush to make a decision ........ not really what you want to hear from prospective signing. I’m inclined to agree that we should be looking elsewhere. Mind you, we probably are.

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Maybe we've gave him a deadline when our offer will be rescinded and we start to look elsewhere?

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Originally Posted by Jim44

I’m not in a rush to make a decision ........ not really what you want to hear from prospective signing. I’m inclined to agree that we should be looking elsewhere. Mind you, we probably are.

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Have to be honest Jim, I'm not in any rush for him to sign........if he does, great, but I want a couple of really creative players in that midfield area signed too. If he doesn't, it frees up good cash to get players in who want to come and players that will hopefully lead to a much better, balanced, and attack minded midfield.

No player is bigger than the club. He’s got an offer now it’s down to him to accept or not. It’s still early days but the reality is Hibs will have a back up plan. Like most I’m not that bothered if he signs or not.

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Originally Posted by lucky

No player is bigger than the club. He’s got an offer now it’s down to him to accept or not. It’s still early days but the reality is Hibs will have a back up plan. Like most I’m not that bothered if he signs or not.

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He cant score so therefore doesnt fit the
role we need him to play. Squad player at best

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Maybe we've gave him a deadline when our offer will be rescinded and we start to look elsewhere?

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Aye. I'd give him max 48 hrs after he is finished with Oz to sign then our offer is reduced 5% per day for 5 working days then is withdrawn.

Some first rate negotiators on this thread!

Hibs want him to stay but he holds all the cards. He wants to maximise his earnings as he's perfectly entitled to do so why rush to accept the first offer he gets?

In the past, he's earned a lot more than we'll be offering so it's perfectly understandable that he would hope to get back to that level of income.

I think he's a class act and with a good pre-season under his belt, he'll be a real asset to whichever club he signs for.

I'm happy to wait a few weeks more to get him. Getting impatient and angry is just self destructive.

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There is something at the moment .... a deal on the table. He’s got an agent. I think Australia’s last game is tomorrow so I assume he will be back by the end of the week.

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I think he represents himself

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Originally Posted by Jim44

There is something at the moment .... a deal on the table. He’s got an agent. I think Australia’s last game is tomorrow so I assume he will be back by the end of the week.

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Back where though? If he's not under contract with us, why would he come back to Scotland. Unless he actually lives here on a full time basis.

Should we be making an offer to Griffiths with an expiry date. Maybe we have already.
He is hanging about Celtic like a bad smell, desperate for any offer from them over £5k a week.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Some first rate negotiators on this thread!

Hibs want him to stay but he holds all the cards. He wants to maximise his earnings as he's perfectly entitled to do so why rush to accept the first offer he gets?

In the past, he's earned a lot more than we'll be offering so it's perfectly understandable that he would hope to get back to that level of income.

I think he's a class act and with a good pre-season under his belt, he'll be a real asset to whichever club he signs for.

I'm happy to wait a few weeks more to get him. Getting impatient and angry is just self destructive.

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A class act based on what? This is a guy who sat in the house for 10 months.

If he is such a class act, why were clubs not battering his door down so sign him when he was a free agent?

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A class act based on what? This is a guy who sat in the house for 10 months.

If he is such a class act, why were clubs not battering his door down so sign him when he was a free agent?

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Are you saying that Hibs can't ever spot an opportunity and/or sign good players?

It’s amazing how many folk are taking the hump over Irvine not signing a deal. Chill out.

He’s a very good footballer, he’s good enough to start every week for us, I’d be disappointed if he went to Aberdeen.

He doesn’t owe us anything. No more than we don’t owe him anything. We employed him on a short term deal, the deal expired. He might come back, he might get a better deal elsewhere. What’s the problem with that?

He’s not a Hibs fan, he’s not bad mouthing us. He’s just considering his future.

If we decide to give him a deadline, that’s our choice. I’m sure we’re already looking at alternatives.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

Aye. I'd give him max 48 hrs after he is finished with Oz to sign then our offer is reduced 5% per day for 5 working days then is withdrawn.

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Cant believe other teams don't use this tactic too

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Originally Posted by easty

It’s amazing how many folk are taking the hump over Irvine not signing a deal. Chill out.

He’s a very good footballer, he’s good enough to start every week for us, I’d be disappointed if he went to Aberdeen.

He doesn’t owe us anything. No more than we don’t owe him anything. We employed him on a short term deal, the deal expired. He might come back, he might get a better deal elsewhere. What’s the problem with that?

He’s not a Hibs fan, he’s not bad mouthing us. He’s just considering his future.

If we decide to give him a deadline, that’s our choice. I’m sure we’re already looking at alternatives.

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I'm baffled at the vitriol aimed at him. When players want to stay with Hibs, they're not good enough for anyone else, but if they want to leave, they're also not any good or dreadful human beings! :hilarious

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I'm baffled at the vitriol aimed at him. When players want to stay with Hibs, they're not good enough for anyone else, but if they want to leave, they're also not any good or dreadful human beings! :hilarious

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I absolutely get that Hibbyradge, just think most of grief he’s getting, is he hasn’t let us know, if that’s the case
If your not signing Jackson, please let Hibs know so we don’t miss out out on our next target

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

I absolutely get that Hibbyradge, just think most of grief he’s getting, is he hasn’t let us know, if that’s the case
If your not signing Jackson, please let Hibs know so we don’t miss out out on our next target

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How on earth do we know what the discussions with Hibs have been?

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

I absolutely get that Hibbyradge, just think most of grief he’s getting, is he hasn’t let us know, if that’s the case
If your not signing Jackson, please let Hibs know so we don’t miss out out on our next target

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I don’t think anyone from Hibs has said he’s stringing us along though. Just, he’s not signed for us, so people are jumping to conclusions.

I doubt Jack Ross is sitting at home looking at his messages and stressing about why Irvine hasn’t text him back yet...I wonder if he’s busy texting other managers.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

I absolutely get that Hibbyradge, just think most of grief he’s getting, is he hasn’t let us know, if that’s the case
If your not signing Jackson, please let Hibs know so we don’t miss out out on our next target

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He's waiting for the offer that suits him best. If Hibs find a second, or better, choice, they'll press for a decision. Until then, there's no need to panic.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

He's waiting for the offer that suits him best. If Hibs find a second, or better, choice, they'll press for a decision. Until then, there's no need to panic.

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That’s his call, all I was saying he was getting abuse for not signing before now. We can’t wait forever, we play in Europe in just over 5 weeks

As an aside is the Euro draw tomorrow or Wednesday

Does anyone know for sure he hasn't signed a contract for Hibs? Could have signed it before he left for all we know.

Similarly he could have told Hibs he wasn't signing.

Hibs are under no obligation to announce signings right away, several times in the past they have signed players and delayed the official announcement.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Some first rate negotiators on this thread!

Hibs want him to stay but he holds all the cards. He wants to maximise his earnings as he's perfectly entitled to do so why rush to accept the first offer he gets?

In the past, he's earned a lot more than we'll be offering so it's perfectly understandable that he would hope to get back to that level of income.

I think he's a class act and with a good pre-season under his belt, he'll be a real asset to whichever club he signs for.

I'm happy to wait a few weeks more to get him. Getting impatient and angry is just self destructive.

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You are easy pleased if you think Jackson Irvine is a class act.
Like most of the post on this I wouldn't be bothered if he stayed it left.
He has been pretty average in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Are you saying that Hibs can't ever spot an opportunity and/or sign good players?

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Where did I say that? I asked is he actually a class act? If so, which games did he play in that he was a class above what we have?

My point is, if he is this class player, why was he idle for 10 months?

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

I think he represents himself

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Maybe explains why he was unemployed for most of last season. ‘Focusing on the camp’ is code for ‘I’m waiting for a better deal!’. Give him a few days to give us an answer after his international duty then withdraw the offer. He can go back to watching daytime TV, wouldn’t be bothered if he never signed.

I’d have taken the contract back off the table by now

He ain’t that good

Defo would not describe him as a ‘class act’ and it is nothing to do with him not signing immediately

If he signs he signs fair enough if not I am sure we can do better

Plenty out there that can control a ball, kick with both feet and can score goals without being posted missing for half of the game

Now that is a ‘class act’ :greengrin

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

Defo would not describe him as a ‘class act’ and it is nothing to do with him not signing immediately

If he signs he signs fair enough if not I am sure we can do better

Plenty out there that can control a ball, kick with both feet and can score goals without being posted missing for half of the game

Now that is a ‘class act’ :greengrin

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Irvine was our best midfielder last season and I think he's got a lot more in the tank.

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

Where did I say that? I asked is he actually a class act? If so, which games did he play in that he was a class above what we have?

My point is, if he is this class player, why was he idle for 10 months?

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You asked why clubs weren't knocking the door down to sign him.

You don't rate him. I do. End of.

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Originally Posted by scoopyboy

Does anyone know for sure he hasn't signed a contract for Hibs? Could have signed it before he left for all we know.

Similarly he could have told Hibs he wasn't signing.

Hibs are under no obligation to announce signings right away, several times in the past they have signed players and delayed the official announcement.

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My thoughts too. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s signed a new contract but waiting until he comes back from International duty/holiday before announcing it.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Irvine was our best midfielder last season and I think he's got a lot more in the tank.

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Yeah ok

Maybe I should just be polite and say I am meh if he stays or goes

In fairness he has looked decent playing for Australia but against questionable opposition and he is in the shop window

I just don’t see what you are obviously seeing

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

Yeah ok

Maybe I should just be polite and say I am meh if he stays or goes

In fairness he has looked decent playing for Australia but against questionable opposition and he is in the shop window

I just don’t see what you are obviously seeing

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Who was better in the midfield for us last season? :dunno:

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Who was better in the midfield for us last season? :dunno:

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Alex Gogic

A ‘class act’ is someone who influences or impacts games creates and scores goals a la Russell Latapy

I cannot think of one game that Irvine bossed

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I would take the Jackson Irvine of Ross County the player I thought we were getting

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

Alex Gogic

A ‘class act’ is someone who influences or impacts games creates and scores goals a la Russell Latapy

I cannot think of one game that Irvine bossed

PS

I would take the Jackson Irvine of Ross County the player I thought we were getting

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Gogic was definitely our best midfielder, agreed.

Comparing anyone to wee Russell, Billy? That's just not fair! The man was a genius.

I'm merely talking class act level! :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Gogic was definitely our best midfielder, agreed.

Comparing anyone to wee Russell, Billy? That's just not fair! The man was a genius.

I'm merely talking class act level! :greengrin

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Joking apart I have watched Irvine closely on ‘HIBS Pass ‘ obviously -which is not ideal -but like others I did expect more -the only thing I can say in the laddie’s defence is that he might be playing played slightly out of position rather than a box to box midfielder to accommodate other players or JR’s tactics on any given day

If there is such a thing? :greengrin

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

Alex Gogic

A ‘class act’ is someone who influences or impacts games creates and scores goals a la Russell Latapy

I cannot think of one game that Irvine bossed

PS

I would take the Jackson Irvine of Ross County the player I thought we were getting

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Spot on, class acts don’t miss the plethora of chances he has had. File under underwhelming . We can do far, far better

Jackson Irvine was a very good addition who helped push us on to 3rd place, when folk on here were telling anyone who'd listen that it was only a matter of time before Livi overtook us and we'd finish 5th at best.

I like him, and i think there's a lot more to come from him if he signs again. I'd replace a couple of others before him if i could, and hope he does sign again for a couple of years at least.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Jackson Irvine was a very good addition who helped push us on to 3rd place, when folk on here were telling anyone who'd listen that it was only a matter of time before Livi overtook us and we'd finish 5th at best.

I like him, and i think there's a lot more to come from him if he signs again. I'd replace a couple of others before him if i could, and hope he does sign again for a couple of years at least.

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Agree.

If we can do so much better, why was he our best (or perhaps close second) player in the midfield.

Folk are do quick to turn sour on a player if he doesn't do exactly as they want. Him stalling on signing doesn't wipe out an excellent contribution to our 3rd place finish.

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Originally Posted by Greenio

Agree.

If we can do so much better, why was he our best (or perhaps close second) player in the midfield.

Folk are do quick to turn sour on a player if he doesn't do exactly as they want. Him stalling on signing doesn't wipe out an excellent contribution to our 3rd place finish.

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If he is unsure a one year deal might suit both parties, if it comes to that.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Jackson Irvine was a very good addition who helped push us on to 3rd place, when folk on here were telling anyone who'd listen that it was only a matter of time before Livi overtook us and we'd finish 5th at best.

I like him, and i think there's a lot more to come from him if he signs again. I'd replace a couple of others before him if i could, and hope he does sign again for a couple of years at least.

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Totally agree

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Originally Posted by ahibby

If he is unsure a one year deal might suit both parties, if it comes to that.

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The problem with that is if he plays well then there will be all sorts of speculation in January. You could argue that in that case at least we'll have had a few months of him playing well, but on the other hand a big will-he/won't-he saga halfway through the season helps nobody.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

The problem with that is if he plays well then there will be all sorts of speculation in January. You could argue that in that case at least we'll have had a few months of him playing well, but on the other hand a big will-he/won't-he saga halfway through the season helps nobody.

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We have players signed to 4 year deals who were subject to all sorts of speculation in January.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

We have players signed to 4 year deals who were subject to all sorts of speculation in January.

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True, but it is unusual and far more easily knocked on the head than with someone who has only 4-5 months left to go and can sign a pre-contract with someone else (and then all the crap that comes with that).

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Originally Posted by Greenio

Agree.

If we can do so much better, why was he our best (or perhaps close second) player in the midfield.

Folk are do quick to turn sour on a player if he doesn't do exactly as they want. Him stalling on signing doesn't wipe out an excellent contribution to our 3rd place finish.

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Tbf I understand why some people were a bit disappointed with him. I am also in that camp.

I hope that if he stays we will see him back to his best… I’m pretty confident we haven’t seen it in a Hibs shirt yet.

Certainly haven't seen the form he displayed at Ross County.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

The problem with that is if he plays well then there will be all sorts of speculation in January. You could argue that in that case at least we'll have had a few months of him playing well, but on the other hand a big will-he/won't-he saga halfway through the season helps nobody.

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Yes but if hes much the same as this season then we wouldnt be stuck with him. On the other hand if he improves then we would have someone who would not be at Hibs anyway. We signed Didier Agathe for all of a few months, finished third that season iirc.