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Is there only 8 on field players today?Quote:
Originally Posted by My old man
No chance now , thought we may have chance after our start but we are in free fall now , no chance at parlhead next weekQuote:
Originally Posted by The Spaceman
The clock is ticking between now and the semi.
The team have looked a complete shambles in the last couple of games. No shape, no organisation and even less motivation.
If this run continues and he loses the semi he will be gone. Any Hibs manager who loses a semi to a lower league team and the next one against a team way below us in the league will have to go.
It would always be on his record and few Hibees could forgive him for.
Okay as you are so confident about the future give us your prediction of our league position come season end and for the league cup winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Spaceman
We wont be odds on for europe in a few weeks if we put more insipid displays on. Killie, st.j, sellik anr huns in the coming weeks. I wouldnt put any money on us staying 4thQuote:
Originally Posted by The Spaceman
Out thought by a ***** Pablo Escobar.
100% agree. Done with him now. Very similar to the Lennon at Celtic situation, they decided to keep him and it’s now too late for them to get the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass
If we don’t get rid of Jack Ross who is absolutely clueless wave goodbye to even reaching the final of the league cup. Change must be made now, no point in giving him time as the next few fixtures very tough. Get this clueless imposter out now
We need a get out of jail card. Can he lend us one?Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
He’s just very lucky there are no fans in the stadium cause this horrendous home form would not be tolerated.
Jack Ross doesn’t win the big games. And it’s not good enough
I got pelters on here a few weeks ago ( not pleasant ) when I said , bring back Yogi. It was a knee jerk reaction to another horrible result. However , bring in someone who can inspire a team and change tactics appropriately.
Two bad results and really poor performances in row
Silly to suggest to sack him but if that run extends then its a question mark
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I’ve seen much worse teams and at the start of the season I’d probably have taken fourth in the league and good cup runs. I think JR has us moving in the right direction and most of his signings have been good. However, we’re on a really poor run just now and the performances look lethargic. The squad might be thin but it’s still bigger than Livi and RC’s. For me the team lacks gallusness and an edge. We need some leaders in the team to pull us through when things get tough as they usually do. Hanlon has been mainly good this year but he doesn’t strike me as captain material. A Scott Brown type would be good but no idea where we find that.
Was today even a big game? It was a home game v Livi. Ross had a bit of a comfort zone with fans as he was winning all the other games. Now he’s not even winning run of the mill games.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcfly
Warning signs are there for all to see.
Spot on, we won't be fourth next month if we keep playing like this. Today's game was always going to be tougher than Ross County but we should have been looking at 4 points instead of her haw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass
He can pack his bags as far as I'm concerned, outrageously poor performance again. Back to drawing board as Garry O'Connor said.
Glad u see where I am coming from. To be fair we should have won against Dundee Utd but the coach did not manage the game well enough to help us see it through. We were fortunate to win against St Mirren, they deserved something from that game. Dundee Utd did not but.....Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by Crab apple
That’s where the team reflect the personality of their manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crab apple
**** him off now, give us a chance to get 3rdQuote:
Originally Posted by Nakedmanoncrack
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You can’t just sack managers after poor runs of form. It’ll always happen so we just keep doing it until the next run then do it again?
I’d prefer we give a manager the time to build a squad where this is less likely over time.
We are now getting into 2 or 3 games before trying to get someone sacked which is ridiculous.
Not at all spot on. We must extrapolate from performances and realise now that those performances mean we are not favourites for the cup and neither are we shoe ins for 4th. There are no prizes for where we r in January.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewiehas2
You can sack them when it’s clearly not where you want to be. Attitudes like yours ensures mediocrityQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
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Id like to see Gray back in the side, natural leader with a bit more fight than Hanlon. Move McGinn into midfield in place of Gogic or Malian. There’s a certain lack of belief in the team when they go behindQuote:
Originally Posted by Crab apple
So where did you think we would be at this point of the season before it kicked off?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoltonHibee
Ron Gordon if he has serious big ambitions for this club 0 points picked up against Ross county and Livingston won’t be tolerated.
I've only seen a handful of posts suggesting that Ross should go.
I don't think it's even on the cards and the overwhelming majority of fans are still behind him as far as I can tell.
The problem is some of the players. We needed more of a clear out in the summer.
We'll stumble along till the end of the season, fighting it out for 4th and then hopefully strengthen properly in the summer.
Whilst I’m not in any way advocating sacking him, it’s not as simple as that imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
If we’d won the first 12 games of the season and then lost 10 in a row whilst looking horrendously bad then you don’t just have to sit there and accept it because we are still 4th on 36 points. Of course we’re nowhere near as bad as that but just looking at our league position in isolation doesn’t tell the whole story.
I can’t honestly say, but that’s not really the point nowQuote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
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Not sure how thats gonna helpQuote:
Originally Posted by BoltonHibee
Jack won't say no though
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No post match interview from him no?
Well it is, your post suggested he should be sacked if we want to aim higher, we are probably exceeding the points tally that the club aimed for at this point in the season, yes some results have been crap but anyone suggesting he should be sacked are delusionalQuote:
Originally Posted by BoltonHibee
For me that was the strongest team he had to pick from apart from playing Stevenson instead of Doig, I can't really see how he's to blame for a performance like that, the players must surely take the lion's share of the blame. I don't get the tiredness thing that the commentators kept coming out with either, we play the same number of games as everybody else. Livvie certainly didn't look 'leggie'.
Not really. We’re 4th.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoltonHibee
I could equally say that moronic GTF attitudes like yours after a couple of bad results just leads to more of the same.
I’d like us to be better than mediocre and believe that we have a manager who can improve us even more in the longer term.
I am going to answer this as well. We should probably be looking at 4th and a LC semi at the start of the season. So yes, we have accomplished that. We should also be in a confident frame of mind to win the LC and hold on to 4th or better and thats how things have gone belly up.Quote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
I think Ross’s problem is that he’s got zero credit in the bank after the Hearts game and the entertainment has been so poor since he joined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
The only good win I can think of is the win at Tynecastle? There’s obviously been a few good performances since then but the only memorable game that people will remember under him is that one game at Tynecastle.
No harm in succession planning just in case this doesn't improve or actually gets worse, which looks more likely. I've heard there are a couple of managerial prospects at Bar-L FC
Said this weeks ago aswell. Ross has us playing pedestrian unimaginative slow football. Grim timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibiza
Hopefully with a couple of new players in we can kick on and get rid of the below par playersQuote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
Totally agree re the Hearts loss. Rightly or wrongly he lost a lot of goodwill after that defeat and perpetuated the belief he doesn’t win the big games.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
This is just attention seeking trying to get a reaction, as boring as our team right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
Jack Loss must go. Football is dire and he's going to take us backwards.
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Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
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You proud of that one? His win percentage is over 50%, so it doesn't even make sense. Just call him by his name ffs, playground patter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
His card is marked now for me. Tried to give the benefit of the doubt after the semi final but he’s under pressure now after that awful result today
Was always going to be the case. Some folk mock that attitude but it is one that a lot of people share.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
The last few days has been really bad for him. He was always going to have the ‘big game’ thing hanging over him. If he starts failing to win the wee games as well, it’s not going to be pretty.
Is 4th success now?
Given our budget and investment, 4th is the minimum in my book, I’m not sure Ross would deserve a pat on the back for achieving it.
Celtic are in a state this year and may well now implode completely that the title is gone, so it’s not just 3rd that could be achievable. Meanwhile Livi have 2 games in hand on us, so 4th can hardly be thought of as a stick on at this point.
That’s not to say that finishing 4th should get Ross sacked, but in the circumstances it’s probably the lowest we could finish and his future not become a subject for serious consideration.
He doesn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
If his team comes up against a motivated team that’s fired up for a big game his team loses.
His one big game win for us was when the Hearts manager took the week off and gave the players the day off before the game.
There’s absolutely no way we’ll finish 3rd and no way we’ll win this league cup. Absolutely no chance imo.
You need to fire your team up to win big matches but that’s not his thing, he is a calm and collected manager that’s all about slow and steady progress.
Today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Ross County.
St Johnstone.
Alloa.
Dundee Utd.
Semi Final
Sheep x 2.
Motherwell at home.
Clinging on at home 3 up against Hamilton.
It's a major, major cause for concern. County scored during the week, game over. Livi today, game over, Aberdeen away and home... That's not mentioning hammered to the worst Celtic side in 6 years nor the derby last year when Hearts couldn't buy a bloody win.
No fight or creation, we never look like coming back after we lose the first game coupled by we look like losing or throwing away games having starting games no bad.
It's his squad. We have bigger and better ones than the majority of teams above.
:agree: Just like Sunderland fans predicted before the playoff final they where going to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Apart from the fact he has taken us forward since he got the job, bet you couldnt wait to post that todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
What was immediately noticeable to me today was Livi having 2 or 3 around Boyle from kick off, yet we persisted in trying to shift it out to him rather than try and drive through the middle. Lewis had no one outside him offering and continually had to cut back or play backwards. How JR and JP didn't see that and change it baffles me. Literally no one tested their left side for most of the game, meaning Livingston were nice and compact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart93
12 year olds patter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
So why did he not improve us from the last defeat, is he just biding his time or kidding the opposition a wee bit or is it he just hasn't a clue ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Or Jambo mates patterQuote:
Originally Posted by easty
The most concerning thing of it all is this is Livingston football club and after being pumped off bottom of the league County it was far far too predictable today would happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart93
Of course there is more to it and you are right about the players. The buck must always stop at the boss though. Four home games against poorer clubs and two goals to show for it and six against. Looking at that and considering we have used most of the first team picks over those four home games you cant only blame the players. However we should appreciate how difficult it can be to play against sitting in teams using the break. Theres not much guile needed for that just discipline and graft. Trying to break those teams down while keeping your back secure requires much more and more than our team and gaffer have at this time. The other thing that experience shows us is the longer the rut the harder it is to get out off. I dont expect anything better anytime soon and so I am in a position where I can only be pleasantly surprised over the next couple of months. If it cintinues beyond that then I will shift into a gravely concerned disposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
If picking the strongest team was all we want from JR then most of Hibs.net would have a chance at the managers job.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
The teams scoring first is a valid point. I think we’ve lost every game where we’ve lost the first goal, in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
There isn’t any character in there when we’re up against it. They’re all happy enough to show for the ball and knock it about when we’re winning though.
The problem I have is I wanted Ross and have supported him. Like Drey Wright I feel I have given him / them a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
My issue is..the signs are there that we have problems. Not just the last 2 relegation level performances but our home record / lack of goals / too many draws...see Sunderland and only winning 1 big game (Hearts away).
He steadied the ship after the mess of Hecky but that wasn’t hard. But we still finished 7th last season.
We have had some good away wins this season but again against dross teams who we should be beating.
He’s not seriously under performing as manager - yes we are 4th and are in the semi final but our chances of winning the semi are very slim - the last 2 games have exposed how fragile we are if we lose the 1st goal.
People say we have signed good players but several injured and not contributing.
All teams have off days but we have had several really poor half’s / performances this season and as others have said before...it’s dull. I was never thinking that myself but I can see why people say that - we really don’t have many exciting players. Boyle / Newell and Nisbet maybe but all have been up and down as the team has changed about.
I’m usually very positive but these players look lost and either they don’t have mentally to improve (question the recruitment process) or they don’t want to play for Ross.
I wish you would just go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
I think if truth be known on this forum, we are well up in this league at the moment, but to say we are setting the league on fire is somewhat over stated!
After most games we have said it was a good result but the play was not to standard.
Now the results have gone the other way and teams have found a way to play us, everyone is looking back on some of our results, and added to the last 2-3 bad results, we've all seen it coming!
Changing the manager is not the way to go, its a gut reaction to poor results, that in the end only costs the club more money!!!!
If we don’t win the semi final that will be 2 SF’s we’ve lost to teams we undoubtably should have beaten which is unforgivable quite frankly. Of course we may win it so we’ll have to wait and see and if we do win the cup it will be a successful season. It’s on a knife edge at the moment.
There is 4th as expected and there is 4th giving 3rd a good fight and taking points off the Old Firm / Aberdeen / doing well in cups.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
4th with a big gap to 3rd and just above 5th isn’t anything to get excited about - especially with our resources and Hearts out the league - a chance to push on being missed once again.
Factor in the fact that Ross is not Ron Gordon's man and with performances like recently, then Ron may want his own guy in.
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Originally Posted by GreenCastle
I'm as annoyed as anybody else but let's not start making things up.
We're 3 points behind third place and 9 points above fifth.
I'm not suggesting things will stay that way but that's how it is just now.
Hope you popped a bet on then!Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
We are Hibs ffs we will always just be two or three games away from disaster or Glory that's just the way it is, but the manager gets paid to sort it out, now he needs to show that he can manage and sort it out, or like every other one before him he will have to find another job.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
We won't win the Semi.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
We haven't won a league game after conceding the first goal for almost a year, which is nine matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I bet on Hibs to win Hearts to lose like I do each week. Game over after ten mins. Got points in the prediction thread mind you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
aberdeen 3 ahead with two games in handQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
livingston 9 points behind with two games in hand. you missed that out
Records good or bad are there to be broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I think you haven't a clue tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
Your talking about super short term form when the poster was talking about long term progress which undoubtedly we have made the last 12 months
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He's not for me. Said so a while back.
Fair enough he has us fourth in the league (bare miminum we should be this season) and in the semi final of the league Cup. But I can't stand the football on show majority of the time.
So predictable. Long ball pish with no creativity and no other plan. Subs are usually too late or just bizarre.
I agree with your points but I dont agree about the manager. I wouldnt be firing him as things stand but I would be giving serious but quiet and private thought as to who I would like to see as our next manager could be and the best time for that to happen, but only after exhausting all attempts at helping the current manager improve things. I need to make my position clear though in that I wasnt a JR fan at the start, then he probably won me over but performances, not results, have mainly swayed me back to my starting point. Not a big fan but I appreciate we could have done worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by where'stheslope
Wait a minute, the Livi manager came in when they were garbage and they have won i think seven on the trot ! that is short term progress with resources a fraction of our own so i think i might be correct ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zambernardi1875
Aberdeen aren’t losing games like us and dropping points all over the place.
They have had the occasional off day but 3rd and comfortable to finish 3rd.
There is no way we are staying with them, more concerned about not going 5th..to a team that changed their manager and are winning games.
Your notQuote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
Although we were unbeaten in ten before the game at Ibrox
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They only get away with the slow side to side one pass forward 2 passes back stuff because there are no fans there.
Ask yourself this...if we were to play Hearts anytime soon..would you be confident?
I know I wouldn’t be as they have players who would bully us and grind out a result.
We have developed a soft spot sadly and until we find more aggression/ hunger we will hover 6th to 4th and be lucky to win any derbies. Ross has managed 3 and lost 2 I believe.
If he keeps it up then it will be long term progress. Dont know about his other wins but beating Hibs at home just now compares to taking candy from a baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
Jack Ross shouldn't be sacked. Anyone suggesting he should are being overly reactionary at the moment. But on the other hand you can't just shut down criticism of him and those questioning his ability to be a real long term success here.
The football is turgid, we spent the first half of the season so far being difficult to beat and scoring the odd goal to take us over the line. We've never really started scoring goals consistently and now were losing our ability to defend. That is a huge worry as we stare down the barrel of the second half of the season.
The squad needs a lot of work this window to give us as best a chance of keeping hold of 4th but also not falling too far behind 3rd. If it's even possible given out current form.
Jack Ross needs to arrest this slide and it doesn't get easier with Celtic next. Perhaps playing some actual football might help.
Alas but for fine margins and poor luck.....should have beat Celtic if it wasn't for a dodgy penalty against us, should have taken something from Ibrox but for a stone waller we didn't get. The Hearts result was a sickener, it was an even match but can't say Hearts didn't deserve it in the end.....that game really, really mattered, we deserved better.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
What makes the last 2 results worse is we deserved them, we have been second best. Our players are better than that, its like they have all lost form at the same time....its actually bizarre!
Absolutely no way should he be getting the sack.
But pressure is on. The semi loss against Hearts was a sore one, if (and that's a big if) we don't win the LC he's going to struggle to win back the fans.
All teams lose games and have poor performances but the last couple have been a real shocker. They don't feel like bad days at the office - every player was poor, and the manager didn't seem to know how to change things.
I fear we are at the start of a downward spiral but I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Originally Posted by mcfly
He also has to strat winning the not so big games..
The clubs aim should be 3rd upwards any lower than that is not acceptable
Thats how I see it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
We are the slowest team in the league by a mile. Every team that comes to Easter Road has plenty space when they have the ball and seem to stroll past our midfield and defence. Even the lower league teams in the League Cup matches were a struggle bar the last 15 minutes against Dundee. We have no pace other than Boyle who is easily marked out the game. This isn't a new thing either its been happening for years.
3rd place , no chance. No inspiration , no motivation , just another day in the office. Get pelters no doubt , truth hurts.
Why would you get pelters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibiza
I wish the players showed the same fight that I've seen on here today. We are too soft. Lost the fight against Hearts in the horrible conditions too. Plenty decent footballers but not enough character. We don't have that nastiness we need. I thought Gogic might bring that but he just seems another nice guy. Nobody jumps out to me as being captain material. Gray and McGregor yes but can't be a capitan from the bench. Is that down to Ross? Maybe. Gray was Stubbs first signing so he obviously knew his character and what it would bring. I'm sure Ross knows this himself and I'm willing to give him a chance to sort it this month. Teams like Ross County, Hamilton and Livi will dig in in the winter months and battle for everything. We don't have that.
The question for me is, does our Manager actually want to be here?Quote:
Originally Posted by where'stheslope
I'm not convinced.
Yeah, I thought that it was pretty noticeable that man for man we appeared to be a decent bit slower than our opposite numbers today.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaz1875
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Originally Posted by Zambernardi1875
I understand that... and I admit to not being confident about staying in front... but let's just wait and see what happens in those games-in-hand before stating it as fact.
Like I said, I'm also not best pleased with our performances in a lot of recent games, so I'm not trying to be a happy-clapper or anything like that
We're short a couple of athletes in the middle of the park. We'll still win games, but we need a driving force in the middle to be consistent. It's not a lot, but it's hard to find.
Which is depressing. ‘04 and ‘16 LC finals all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
Sadly its nearly every game. There was a run my McGinn second half he actually looked like he was running in quick sand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Yup. That is by far the biggest failing we have imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
Our midfield must be one of the most unathletic in the league.
We need a Docherty type player in there - someone with legs who can get about and get up and down the pitch.
That’s the crux of it. Our two natural leaders are past it and on the bench. Grogic is a tough tackling enforcer but he’s the silent assassin type rather than the guy who shouts at and motivates other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Give him the next transfer window, assess rest of this season and take it from there... We're still in for a shout at a major piece of silverware! Offer me 4th and a league cup at start of season, id have been a happy chap 🇳🇬
we do need some CM'ers but Docherty was pish. just another player who went missing in the derby.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1