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The email you should receive from GoCardless should be titled ‘New Direct Debit Payment to Hibernian Supporters Limited’ with the following message:Quote:
Originally Posted by king stanton
“Dear (Name),
Hibernian Supporters Limited is charging you £X for One of donation by the fan.
To confirm, the amount above is "X Pounds".
It will take around 4 working days from the point of selecting the donation online for the contribution to come out of your bank.
Thanks, I thought it must be something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
Donated.
Clicked the one off payment option on my HSL account and that was it, it seemed easy .... too easy :greengrin I now have a 'pending submission' note on my HSL payment history list. I presume that's the process finished and I don't have to do anything else?
Yes that’s all you need to do. Thanks for your support!Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Cheers :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
For me this isn't about new players and stuff, just ensuring that Hibs stick around so that future generations get to suffer like we have, why the hell should they get away with it? :greengrin
That is exactly what happened shortly after I logged into the account and selected the one off donation amount option and selected the amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
Worked fine.
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You’re welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
I have regular amount coming out each month.
One off payments should be debit card types so shows off your balance straight away. I don't see the need to have a DD type payment come out several days later.
Hopefully folk persevere with the payment system and manager to do it, can’t stress enough how much of an opportunity we have to make a tangible difference to our chances of winning a cup this season.
This is a chance for us to show the club how ambitious we are.
Completely agree MattyQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
However there is a counter point that this is a chance for the club to show how ambitious they are.
Definitely. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster
Agreed! A successful campaign could genuinely mean an extra signing this window.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
I donate monthly but added my £25 as a one off. As others have said super easy and like how the site shows my total contributions so far. Great appeal!!
Just watched their Chairman on TV confirming that at this morning (Sunday) Marine FC have sold 15000 virtual tickets for Spurs match.
They will not win the trophy.
We have a vastly larger fan base and have a great chance of winning this trophy.
What is holding you back ?
You know it makes sense.
Little Marine fans can raise more money for their club than Hibs fans?
You couldn't make that up.
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Originally Posted by DanishJohn
How many of those 15000 Marine fans bought STs at circa £400 a pop knowing they most likely wouldn't see a game this season?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanishJohn
About 10000 Hibs fans did. I'm all for encouraging people to get behind this campaign, I have myself, but belittling the contribution Hibs fans have made doesn't seem the best way to go about it.
I think we have over 11k season tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I did not attend to belittle anyone. I intended to encourage people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It's probably the winning mentality in me where I don't want Hibs to be second to anyone.
As for not being the best way to go about it, is of course only your opinion.
Have just paid. The references to setting up a DD through out, even when making a one off donation, is confusing / off-putting. This stopped me from making a number of donations in the past.
I think perhaps you’re not looking at things in the round. Or circumstances which I think deserves a little more attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanishJohn
In all of this clamour (let’s be many are just honest comparing ourselves against Hearts) we forget we’re not comparing like with like.
I’ve no idea what the socio-economic profile or Hearts V Hibs fans but that’s what will in part determine folks propensity to pay over and above. If the Jambos have a higher disposable income and don’t want their club to go tits up and appreciate the advantage tax-free contributions make (proportionately better than a ST) then you can see the disparity.
Why don’t folks contribute more? Well with many avenues to support the club maybe we’ve reached a plateau because there is a limit to what folks can afford and a willing to pay?
But when you do look at what we’ve contributed it is pretty remarkable
STs
kicks for kids
HSL
Hibs stones
Hibs Tv
lotto
Merchandise
Cardboard cut outs (compare with the Dons - seemed to have V little)
Amongst others
We should be highlighting the good we’ve done and not beat ourselves up.
Thought the tickets were bought by Spurs fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanishJohn
That’s nice of them thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
Money goes to the club
Indeed, but the poster said Marine fans contributed more to their club than we did (not at all comparable)Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Erm. no they canny mate. Marine have an average gate of about 400, the vast majority of the tickets were bought by kindly Spurs fans and sympathetic fans of other clubs, with no doubt Everton and Liverpool fans being front and centre in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanishJohn
The fact is that the fans of this club have stepped up big time and we can hold our heads up in any company UK wide. It wasn't that long ago that Hibs would have considered 9000 season tickets a result for a season where fans could get into games, never mind near enough 11000 for a season where fans had no idea if they would get to see the games or not.
Chuck in over 2000 folk giving free money to the club every month for no tangible return and not because the club are ( or were ) in financial difficulties and I would say this club has brilliant fans who are a long way from needing lessons in supporting it from Marine or anybody else for that matter.
Donation made :aok:
OK where to begin?Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Your first paragraph.Sorry to say this is slightly flawed.
Marine's stadium has a capacity of 3185. Their average gate is 400 (as stated by you).
Safe to say Marine do not always fill their stadium. This is not unusual. Hibs don't always fill their stadium.
Marine I would think, think they have at least 3000 fans?
Crosby as a town has a population of approx 51000. That leaves a lot of people who indeed are blue or red but could also be lapsed Crosby fans?
I think you are inviting the reader to believe (on assumption) the 400 figure is the figure to stick on.
Could be that 3000 were snapped up by Crosby fans and yes 12000 by others.
Marine FC have done everything possible here to raise money through the virtual route.
At this point I should say I have not, or am I, handing out lessons in how to support my club.
I think it is magnificent what Hibs supporters do to support their club.
eg HSL member are donating money with nothing in return.They are doing this through love of their club.
I doff my cap to the individuals who pack the club store and buy the merchandise. It all helps the club.
Season ticket holders get to see the Hibs in the flesh. This season they don't so they to should be roundly applauded.
Now getting to the real point.
I think this appeal from day one was aimed at the Hibs supporters who might have went to Hampden.
It was not specifically aimed at season tickets holders or HSL members.
Three good numbers to consider
we could take 20000 to a semi-final
we could take 40000 to a final (if we got the tickets)
Newspapers reported 200000 people on the streets of Edinburgh when we returned with the cup.
I might be wrong but I think the appeal was at the vast swathes of Hibbys who don't identify as a season ticket holder or HSL member etc. The ones who just have a genuine soft spot for the Hibs and who would have went to Hampden.
Hope I have cleared things up a bit and have as always, not meant to offend anyone.
PS Above of course only my thoughts and opinion.:aok:
I think the appeal is just aimed at everyone who would have went to Hampden and therefore spent £25(ish) to ask them to still spend that but give it to Hibs to make up for the loss in income we’ll suffer through no fans being allowed in the stadium.
Not everything has to be an argument.
This is a fairly straightforward initiative with an and goal that I'm sure we can all agree is worthwhile.
It’s a important way to help our club improve its squad of football players. At a time when our club needs all the help that can be given it is a very important means of helping our club. I hope it is successful in raising as much money as possible
The 400 figure was mentioned by someone connected to Marine during the build up to the weekend's match. You don't need to tell me about Crosby mate. my brother has lived there for years, I visit often and drink in 'The Edinburgh' from time to time, which is on the same road as Marine's ground :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by DanishJohn
Intended or not your comment made an unfair comparison with the efforts of Hibs fans compared to those of a semi pro lower league club taking advantage of a one off opportunity to be in the limelight, you shouldn't be surprised if folk reacted to it. It may be that HSL's initiative is aimed at all Hibs fans, but the fact is that the overwhelming response is going to come from folk who follow social media sites like this one or the many facebook pages devoted to the club, the cast majority of whom will be ST holders and or already members of HSL.
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Nae Nookie
Can we first of thank you for your kind donation to the cause.
In terms of the campaign our target audience is just as Danish John and Matty describe. We are trying to reach beyond Season Ticket holders and our own Members. One would have thought that we would have taken as many as 20,000 to Hampden for this game. If we deduct 11,000 season ticket holders this leaves around 9,000 supporters. We are hoping just 4000 out of that anticipated 9000 are willing to and are in a position to donate this one off donation just as their ticket to Hampden would have been a one off payment.
Clearly, if Season Ticket holders or Members are minded to join in so much the better.
Again, thank you for your donation, no matter what category you fall in.
Hibernian Supporters
How is this going can't help but feel a bit of the momentum has been lost as it has gone very quietQuote:
Originally Posted by OfficialHSL
Hoping for the first meaningful update today. Due to the bank holidays etc the first one off payments from 1st Jan should arrive in the bank today and we'll update on here and on social media once I've had an update.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbydad
Should build nicely towards semi final week as each day will bring another batch of campaign donations into the bank.
Also a reminder that anyone looking to donate by credit or debit card can do so by clicking here and selecting 'Single payments' from the tabs.
Just made a £25 donation
Hope it guarantees a ticket for the final if we get there and crowds let back in 😉
Lowalty points first please.😁Quote:
Originally Posted by darwenhibby
Hope the momentum can be kept up DanielQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
Ticket bought.
I hope I don't end up with a crap view at the back of the East Stand. :rolleyes:
Thanks Daniel. Finally got a link that does not take me to a direct debit page. Donation done. Well done allQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
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I am a ST holder who has bought two tickets and there will be many more like me lucky enough to be able to. So if guesstimations about 4000 are good then maybe just maybe we can exceed the target. No pressure then.Quote:
Originally Posted by OfficialHSL
The latest total for January is £10,272.
Thanks to North East Scotland Hibs who have kindly contributed £100 to the campaign on behalf of their branch today.
We’ll keep the updates coming every few days - as previously stated there’s a bit of lag between making a payment on the website and the info filtering through so please bear with us.
Thanks as always for the ongoing support.
That is good Daniel we need to keep this to the forefront of people's attentionQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
I think it's a disappointing figure.
Not a dig at the initiative or those promoting it but it just seems like there is little to no appetite to back these sort of things from the fans.
The figure only represents the first couple of days of the month. With bank holidays and weekends we are only seeing one off donations from 1st and maybe 2nd Jan in the bank account on top of regular monthly DDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
We should see hopefully the number rise at a higher rate over the next week heading into semi final week.
Ah right, hopefully the next update will see a big jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
Thanks Daniel.
It is a bit Dave but unfortunately I think it's a wee bit naive of HSL to expect so many non season ticket holders to step up. The fact is we have a hard core who probably donate to nearly everything & they're much more likely to be ST holders. Personally in addition to my ST (from London) I donate to HSL, Hibs TV, have bought a tile, a wall plaque & I'm a shareholder. I'm in a very fortunate & privileged position to be able to do this but I haven't (as yet) donated on this occasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
I greatly admire the work that the HSL volunteers put in but the only personal messages I've had from them in recent years are when they (wrongly) ask me why I've stopped my contributions. I feel bad about highlighting this on here but I received no reply to my last email to HSL. I'm afraid there often seems to be a gap between their concept & execution. To balance my criticism, if I as a London based & not particularly IT literate fan can help HSL in any way then I will. I'll probably start by donating to this worthy cause. 😁
Hi all,
Can i just double check, when I go onto the HSL site, I get the option of monthly payment or one off payment. For clarity, I want to donate the £25 ticket price that I would have paid anyway by going to the game but when I click one off payment, state £25, it then asks you to confirm/proceed with the “direct debit payment”....
Is this just the system speak because I wouldnt have expected a one off payment to be badged under direct debit?
Maybe just me :greengrin
Once confirmed I am on right part. I will make donation this evening.
Cheers
yes, it will say direct debit but you don’t need to worry about it coming out every month. It won’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by andy1875
I need to ask in the hope you can tell me. Does the figure of £10,272 represent one off payments only or does it include the regular January DDs to date? I know it’s all going same place and we’ve covered that, but I’m curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
Cheers. 👍🏻Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
I will donate but don’t get paid till the end of the month. Others may be in a similar position. I was paid slightly earlier in Dec so stretching cash this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
HSL and Season Ticket DDs will come off as normal but the extra needs to wait.
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It’s a combination of one-off payments and regular direct debits. The one off payments take a while to filter through the system and into the bank account so I’d imagine the £10,000 so far includes a fair amount of ‘regular’ contributions at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
Thats me just made my donation....
Can’t help feeling the one off payment option is a bit confusing as I said in earlier post in that the site asks you to setup a direct debit. Might put some folk off in my opinion.
Anyways, heres hoping we get a good figure that can help the club :flag:
Ta. It does seem slow then as it sounds like it includes all the regular contributions at this stage. Interesting to see what the difference will be over the whole month. I suppose that’s how you’ll gauge the success of the drive unless you can post the one-offs as a standalone figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
The response from the first time you asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
"We are running a campaign to raise £100,000 in January. If that includes a few people who have taken a notion to make a one off payment completely independently and without knowing about the Hampden £100k drive it doesn’t really matter - all the money is still going to Hibs?
If you, or anyone else, makes a one off payment of £25 it’ll all be going to the same pot and will be helping raise the targeted amount of £100,000 in January."
The target is for January, regardless of how the donations are made, so that's how the total will be calculated.
Daniels been pretty good at getting back so far thanks and I already had that one as I said in my post tonight (#150) , but now we have this initial figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
I’m asking really, how are we going to know what the impact of the promotion has been over and above the regular intake. It’s a fair question and I’m asking it as a fairly hefty contributor since the start (and having had a wee bit to do with one off fundraising for Hibs and HSL earlier this year).
Give HSL time to get back to me. Ta.
I work alongside Daniel and have been volunteering with HSL for months. Ta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
The success of the fundraiser will be gauged by the total figure come the end of January, balanced against the regular monthly average we see come in. The figures won't be separated by regulars/one offs.
Daniel1875 I have dropped you a PM.
Ta
Good for you Vault Boy. You didn’t have to reiterate his previous answer though did you? I’ve done some volunteering myself, it’s a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
I am not starting a ruck, I’ve asked a question of HSL who tag on here, and Daniel who has become a spokesman for them also on here. Indeed, Hibs.net has become perhaps the best way of contacting HSL.
Your second paragraph has confirmed what I’ve said already. The figure at the end of the month will be what it is and any increment on the ‘norm’ will be put down to the initiative increasing the balance. Right?
I think people were interested (I certainly was, still am) in finding out how much had been raised under the ‘swap your Hampden ticket money here’ initiative over and above the consistent, regularly DD contributions that hundreds of us, you, me everyone else, are already making. The current £10k figure doesn’t hint at the success to date, could be great could be abysmal.
I copied the original answer because it remained pertinent with regards to the question. You then told me to wait for Daniel to respond, which is why I told you my capacity with HSL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
The updates won't be all that insightful until a bit later into the month, so we can only wait and see on that one. Because of the delay with getting an accurate figure (as outlined above), the impact can't really be speculated upon yet.
Hopefully we see a sizeable January contribution, which will help Hibs secure signings, particularly ahead of the semi. To get the answer you're seeking RE the campaign, we all need to see the final figure. Until then, we'll try to keep promoting the initiative and getting fans on board. The reaction on social media has been strong so far, which is something we get more instant feedback on.
I know it’s only a small thing but there doesn’t appear to be anything on the HSL website about this campaign.
There is a small donate button but it then takes a few clicks and a scroll to find the £25 option, then you have the DD confusion and the do you want to be a member (although you won’t be a full member) question.
None of that is the end of the world but in these instant days it certainly won’t help.
I can’t help but think a special one off just giving page or the like might have been easier (appreciate the fees are higher) and would have been much easier to ping a link to friends etc urging them to donate.
But none the less I hope the campaign succeeds and all power to HSL’s efforts [emoji736][emoji736]
Agree with all that, the differential would be nice to know. I’ve dealt with Daniel, Jim and Gordon. What is your capacity with HSL if you don’t mind me asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
Similar to Daniel. We both help out with the marketing/comms, whatever label works best really. The Hampden100K video being the most recent example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
Yeah - if we take around £20,000 as the 'normal' amount then anything over and above that figure come the end of January will give us a decent idea of the extra revenue generated by the Hampden £100k campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
Marketing. Right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
Want to buy a badge? I’ve a wee drop left. One off donation.
Thank you, and sincerest good luck getting close to, or past, the target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
I've already made a one off on top of my usual monthly contribution, so I'll have to pass this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
The badges are good though, so for anyone looking in who fancies one. 👆
IggyQuote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
Fully understand your curiosity so let us try to answer as best we can.
First of all can we first say we cannot give you a definitive exact answer as the Go Cardless system collects different data in a different format and reports over different time periods. It is fair to assume that about 70% of that figure is normal monthly DD’s. The balance however only represents the first two days of the initiative. Second observation we would make is that there is still a significant contribution of one off payments from existing Members. In a nutshell, at the moment we have still to reach a significant part of our target audience i.e. those supporters who would have been at Hampden but are not HSL Members or Season Ticket holders. We must however keep in mind the time of year and the influence of pay day. So, if you can, and indeed anyone else reading please bring our Campaign to the attention of as many fellow Hibees as possible.
As always please feel free to get in touch if you want any further or specific information.
Hibernian Supporters
I’ll be making my contribution when I get paid on the 18th. Then my standard monthly payment will go in a couple of days after. So hopefully there’s plenty more to come from people in similar positions.
Hi IggyQuote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
The badges were fantastic, as were the HSL scarves before them.
I think there might be a little market there for HSL goods.
What do you think?
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Originally Posted by OfficialHSL
That’s the polite response I expected rather than the “we’ve already told you” one I got previously from your marketing man, so thanks.
That target audience you mention is the big one as that’s where most of the apathy towards HSL is Im sure you agree. Probably also amongst ST holders too as I’m sure the numbers of those and the D/D numbers contributing don’t compare and never have since HSL inception, unlike the success other clubs may have had who I know HSL admire from a distance.
I’m really keen to see the impact the initiative, £100k drive, call it what you will, has on this months figures whenever they arrive as it will be pretty disappointing to you and the rest of us if it’s not significant.
In saying this Mrs Pope gave the baws of Mr Pope a leathering when topping up an already significant monthly contribution of six years standing.
Not for this thread, but I always thought there was scope for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanishJohn
It’s the volunteers that do the running though and it’s not easy.
Ah, so you only asked in order to make snide remarks online. Glad I entertained your questioning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
I actually took some time out of my evening to answer your question, by sourcing the original answer (which was still correct), and adding a line to reiterate the point and explain that nothing had changed on that front. You've somehow found a way to take that personally, which is quite remarkable.
HSL Tweet.
Anyway, here's another Tweet with links for anybody looking to contribute, regardless of whether you've signed up with HSL previously or not. :aok:
Would be a welcomed boost ahead of the semi! Superb to see the support for it thus far.
I can’t believe that a positive initiative to raise money for the club has been reduced to petty bickering. Can we not just get behind this and help to promote it.
Remarkable indeed. Snide remarks? I placed my post on here, wide open. If it had been snide I’d be hiding it from you, anything else more sinister then I’m sure it would have been deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
I didn’t like your first response to my post #150 and I responded as much. You may have taken time out or whatever but you did so by replying to a question I was asking of someone else so you brought that inconvenience on yourself.
I didn’t know you were HSL marketing until later in the discussion.
I’ve slept on it and I found your first answer a tad smart ass given you were effectively corresponding with a customer yet here we are discussing it again. It would be better for you, me and all of us if it stopped no matter whether you are speaking now in your HSL capacity (and I hope you aren’t) or as an Admin.
I am with you lord bunberryQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Likewise.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbydad
Link above to the tweet, plus a new thread on the main forum from HibsTalk, featuring Jim (Official HSL) as guest. Well worth a watch/listen for anybody interested. :aok:
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Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Surely we all want the same outcome here - a cash injection to the club that could potentially help us secure a signing to help win a trophy?
I think everyone's intentions are good here, I don't think anyone's looking to sabotage anything so would be good to see some more good news coming through on this and posts where folk have contributed as well.
Don’t mistake the posts surrounding my question as being a lack of support. Nothing could be further from the truth and HSL know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Thanks for putting tweet link up,have had problems with email address for hsl account so your tweet link has enabled me to make my one off semi final donation, cheers.GGTTHQuote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
Made my ticket price donation.
Hopefully we get a decent amount of folk buying into it this month.
Maybe even a bigger uptake in those becoming regulars.
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Originally Posted by andudare2
Brilliant stuff, well done both. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
That'd be ideal too! (Of course only if it's manageable within folks' monthly budgets)
At least it keeps it relevant. Every cloud an all thatQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Made a £25 one-off payment.
I already pay monthly by DD to HSL. In my payment history as well as showing my monthly DD payments it shows a date of 19 January 2021 for my one off £25 with a description of Pending Submission. I hope I have done this correctly!
Should be fine. I was similar as a monthly DD payer. Did a one off payment of £25 on January 6th and it showed up as Pending Submission. When it actually came out of my bank account on the 11th this changed to Paid Out.Quote:
Originally Posted by madhibby
Yes sounds like you’ve done everything right. It takes around 4 working days for the payment to be processed.Quote:
Originally Posted by madhibby
The latest figure is £14,264. Thanks to everyone who has donated so far this month.
A reminder how to donate:
Already signed up? bit.ly/hampden100k1
Not signed up? bit.ly/hampden100k2
Pay by card? bit.ly/hampden100k3
Just paid my £25. Lucky enough to be able to do so and grateful I can contribute a little to hopefully help towards strengthening the squad yet further.
A reminder that anyone who donates £25+ in January will be entered into the prize draw to win a signed, framed shirt by the Hibs player of your choice.
We also have a few other nice prizes to announce early next week so keep your eyes peeled.
As we approach semi-final week it would be great to see the total beginning to rise at a good rate - as ever we’ll keep the updates coming in here every couple of days.
I tried to donate, but came up against a problem. I used the website "contact us " facility, but haven't heard back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel 1875
Gonny check yer inbox? 😆
I don’t have access to the emails but if you send me a PM here I’ll do my best to help!Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Good to see the campaign highlighted in today's match email from Hibs
Made my payment yesterday and it is pending. This was a great idea and I am fortunate enough to be able to contribute. Not everyone will be in that boat.
I was chatting to a St Johnsone fan last week and he reckons they missed a trick with this type of initiative.
He told me that saints sell pie boxes which you order and pick up from the ground to have when you are watching the game on stream. All clubs are just trying to bring in some cash and keep connected with their fans during these tough times
Very good postQuote:
Originally Posted by heid the baw
Good bit of promotion there.
The Grant Stott advert there was fantastic.
Good to see this is now being pushed by the club
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Glad you enjoyed it. :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by 3pm
Can't thank Grant Stott enough for his willingness to help with that one.