KP - Hibs Voting Intentions

There's plenty Hibs fans on here whose positions on keeping Hearts up I don't agree with, but insulting and disrespecting fellow fans because they happen not to have the same view as you?

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Of course, in these times, losing season ticket revenue would be no big deal eh.

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Will happen either way, can't please everyone. I'd rather the ones who want hearts to suffer more than Hibs prosper are the ones who go.

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Originally Posted by lucky

Not surprised by the comments on here but it’s time to take the green specs off. The proposal of points per game costs Hibs £125k in prize money. The loss of two games against them another £250k. There is going to be very little money around next season not only in football but in society. It’s fanciful to think Hibs will average 180000 for home games next year when unemployment levels could hit 20%. There is going to be a drop in ST sales at most clubs if not all, sponsorship will be down as will hospitality. I’d be amazed if any “fan” that could afford a ST did not get one to punish Hibs for voting against ending the season prematurely. This vote is NOT just about Hearts, listen to what it’s means to Partick Thistle and Stranraer and the clubs in the play offs. Football is about competing to the final whistle, the 21/05/16 taught us that. All teams should have the chance to win leagues and cups on the pitch or even get relegated on the pitch not the boardroom.

I can guarantee you now if Hibs were bottom of the league we would be going off our heads about being denying the opportunity to save ourselves on the pitch. These proposals are just wrong

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That really is fanciful - we don't have a 400,000 fan base like Hearts you know.

In order of preference:

1. Finish this season when possible, shorten next season if necessary
2. Conclude based on avg points or scaleback to the minimum number of games played (don't have a preference which)
3. Voiding should be last resort. I genuinely don't see how it is any better than option 1 or 2

Direct impact on Hearts/Hibs shouldn't come into it

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Originally Posted by we are hibs

You couldve just stopped here tbf.

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And the crowd goes mild.

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

I think LD offers a very good analysis of the situation in the article. She is not in any way advocating a vote to save Hearts - they only merit a brief mention in the article and are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. The driving point of the article is that a final decision should not be made yet because in her opinion (and that of many others it would seem) there is still a chance that the season could be completed. The table as it stands shows that Hibs have a good chance of moving up a place in the table bringing in some extra funds - third and fourth is probably out of reach. There is also still a strong possibility that Hearts would go down if the season was completed and even if they stay up they would retain their disaster of a manager and we would get money-spinning derbies next season. LD has to consider the financial impact of her vote above other considerations and right now Hibs are in a better financial position than most other clubs to sustain a delayed decision.

After 'null and void' I think a panicked restructure of the leagues is the worst decision we could make, but there is a strong possibility that some clubs will have to close down if this emergency continues much longer, and that means restructuring would be inevitable and Hearts would probably be saved from the drop anyway - again though, Hearts do not and should not matter in the decision making process for Hibs. Ron's line "a quick decision is sometimes a bad decision" is absolutely pertinent here. If there is any possibility of deciding the final league positions on the field we must do so. Only when that becomes unviable should a final decision be made on how to proceed. That point is becoming closer by the day and I suspect when it arises LD would vote to accept the positions as they stand.

Cool heads are essential at this time and to those threatening to shun the club because they disagree with LD's opinion I would say drop the drama queen frock and read what LD says

with a cool head

rather than what you think she's said.

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Agree entirely with this post. 10/10.

The only thing to add is that the Evening News will have spun what's said to provoke response and reviews generating income for them.

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

I think LD offers a very good analysis of the situation in the article. She is not in any way advocating a vote to save Hearts - they only merit a brief mention in the article and are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. The driving point of the article is that a final decision should not be made yet because in her opinion (and that of many others it would seem) there is still a chance that the season could be completed. The table as it stands shows that Hibs have a good chance of moving up a place in the table bringing in some extra funds - third and fourth is probably out of reach. There is also still a strong possibility that Hearts would go down if the season was completed and even if they stay up they would retain their disaster of a manager and we would get money-spinning derbies next season. LD has to consider the financial impact of her vote above other considerations and right now Hibs are in a better financial position than most other clubs to sustain a delayed decision.

After 'null and void' I think a panicked restructure of the leagues is the worst decision we could make, but there is a strong possibility that some clubs will have to close down if this emergency continues much longer, and that means restructuring would be inevitable and Hearts would probably be saved from the drop anyway - again though, Hearts do not and should not matter in the decision making process for Hibs. Ron's line "a quick decision is sometimes a bad decision" is absolutely pertinent here. If there is any possibility of deciding the final league positions on the field we must do so. Only when that becomes unviable should a final decision be made on how to proceed. That point is becoming closer by the day and I suspect when it arises LD would vote to accept the positions as they stand.

Cool heads are essential at this time and to those threatening to shun the club because they disagree with LD's opinion I would say drop the drama queen frock and read what LD says

with a cool head

rather than what you think she's said.

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This is exactly what LD said:

“These will be really testing times but really interesting times because I think it is going to change everything. Actually, probably, in some small way, everything in football had to change anyway.”

I think people are very much entitled to read that as reconstruction is not only on the table, it may well be our preferred option.

What else could she be talking about? She's already ruled out null and void and it doesn't sound like the sort of speech to use if your just talking about trying to get the games played somehow.

So what else could it mean? Genuine question. "Its going to change everything.. everything had to change anyway".

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Agree entirely with this post. 10/10.

The only thing to add is that the Evening News will have spun what's said to provoke response and reviews generating income for them.

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It's the direct quotes which are getting me worried tbf.

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Originally Posted by RoYO!

This is exactly what LD said:

“These will be really testing times but really interesting times because I think it is going to change everything. Actually, probably, in some small way, everything in football had to change anyway.”

I think people are very much entitled to read that as reconstruction is not only on the table, it may well be our preferred option.

What else could she be talking about? She's already ruled out null and void and it doesn't sound like the sort of speech to use if your just talking about trying to get the games played somehow.

So what else could it mean? Genuine question. "Its going to change everything.. everything had to change anyway".

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"in some small way"

League reconstruction?
Changes to how the money is shared out?
Change of calender for league season?
Summer football?
Changes to split?
Changes to promotion/relegation/play-off system?

Many are suggesting that Leeann will vote the way SHE considers right.

Not so.

She will vote the way the Board as a collective decide.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

She is just biding time and to be honest think she is right to do so. She also isn't going to come out and blatantly put Hearts down without considering the bigger picture which imo is exactly the right thing to do. The one big factor in not playing this season in August is the new Scottish deal from Sky which apparently indicates a league start in August. No idea if that is a big factor in limiting the option of this season running on but it may well be. Clubs need money now to save themselves which is likely the biggest reason the vote will go through. Votes are to be cast by Friday at 5pm so no time at all for them to consider their decision.

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:agree: She cant be seen to want them relegated, as much as i'd like her to say so. :greengrin She's just playing the waiting game until such times as there is no other option, and that will be the only option soon enough. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

I'm one of these weirdos who supports Hibs more than I dislike Hearts so I wouldn't be losing confidence in a fantastic CEO because she acts in the best interest of Hibernian.

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Voting for some temporary reconstruction would be not in our best interests.
Leeann says we need to take our time but surely that ship has sailed if we need to vote by Friday?


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Actual read what the Yam infested EEN wrote and point me at the direct quotes from LD that explicitly say Hibernian will

1. Vote other than its best interests
2. Will vote for reconstruction
3. Will vote to "save" HMFC

LD will vote as her board directs and that means what RG wants...and he wants to dominate this city as per his recent announcements.

Lets all calm down and let this play out to its inevitable conclusion and stop turning on our own.

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Originally Posted by basehibby

This is not ultimately about Hearts - it's about fairness. That being the case the only way out I can see is reconstruction. 14 team league = relegation and promotion issues all but resolved at a stroke. Let the huns go on bumping their gums as they have no leg to stand on. As for those threatening to withdraw support if Hibs dont vote to send the Yams straight down - have a word ya embitterednumpties!

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And a 14 team league is good for Hibs how?


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FWIW I consider it would be unfair to relegate any team with the season incomplete

Unfair it may be, but I would love Hearts to get relegated.

Long term there are benefits to Hibs if our city rivals spend a few seasons in the lower divisions, or even better, remain there.

The board will make their own decision, but even though Hibs fans may be voting out of emotion.....they are nevertheless the customers who keep the club afloat, and I don’t know many businesses that flourish by deliberately phishing off their customers!

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

No real Hibs fan would do that anyway. No great loss if a few doughnuts go in the huff.

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Wow, your awful blasé about our season ticket sales. One minute your all about what’s good for Hibs, next you don’t care if folk buy tickets of not.


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Originally Posted by RoYO!

This is exactly what LD said:

“These will be really testing times but really interesting times because I think it is going to change everything. Actually, probably, in some small way, everything in football had to change anyway.”

I think people are very much entitled to read that as reconstruction is not only on the table, it may well be our preferred option.

What else could she be talking about? She's already ruled out null and void and it doesn't sound like the sort of speech to use if your just talking about trying to get the games played somehow.

So what else could it mean? Genuine question. "Its going to change everything.. everything had to change anyway".

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You could read whatever you want into the comment. Does "everything in football had to change anyway" mean she thinks the leagues needed to be restructured whether we suffered the current problems or not? I don't know and neither do you, but she does also say "in some small way" - restructuring the leagues is not a small way.

"I think it is going to change everything". She's absolutely right here IMO. Most clubs in Scotland are going to have to reset significantly and several are in real danger of going the way of the original Rangers. As I said, if that happens restructuring of some sort will become inevitable.

I think what LD is saying is that we have to react to events as they happen, ruling nothing out and ruling nothing in, and if restructuring is the best way to deal with them then so be it. My personal view is that an immediate restructuring is a bad choice, but I'm not in possession of all the information necessary to support that view in full.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

You can argue that point if you like but it's front and centre in this whole thing. We would be complicit in giving them an escape. That won't be and should not be forgotten.

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I think COVID19, people's lives and jobs are front and centre, bud.

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Originally Posted by Kato

I think COVID19, people's lives and jobs are front and centre, bud.

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Come on you are way better than that. You know fine well we are talking in a football only context here.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

"in some small way"

League reconstruction?
Changes to how the money is shared out?
Change of calender for league season?
Summer football?
Changes to split?
Changes to promotion/relegation/play-off system?

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Yes and in my view she has used this platform to float the idea that hibs would be open to league reconstruction. I get that that is a bit of joining the dots on my part, but we've heard no mention of the other options you raise and I feel this is the most likely inference to take.

If this is the case then I'll be raging with the decision. People can say that's not pragmatic etc but that is how I'll feel.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Come on you are way better than that. You know fine well we are talking in a football only context here.

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Are footballers' lives and jobs not at risk?

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A restructure that involves merging with maybe the Dutch and Belgian leagues would peak my interest and make me turn a blind eye to any benefit Hearts may receive but a temporary change to 14 teams would be the worst solution of all. It would be admitting 14 is a bad number and that this is all about saving Hearts.


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Any chance we might re-word the poll? IMHO we're focusing too much on relegating Hearts here, which (while that would be an amusing and deserved consequence) is obscuring the fact that ending the season is simply the most sensible solution and would bring Scottish football in line with the approach adopted by pretty much all other sports.

I'd suggest the poll ought to be worded something like: Should Hibs vote in favour of the SFPL proposals to end the season?

Followed by a straight 'yes' or 'no' choice.

I don't imagine that would alter the way people vote but it would mean nobody has to justify or argue about why they voted the way they did.

I get LD having to make diplomatic noises and not committing to anything, especially in the midst of the predictably risible cant emanating from Ibrox and Tynecastle...

...however what worries me is the tone of communication from Easter Road at times verges on the "meek" - the Sevco "move on statement" had Petrie & Forsyth's dabs all over it and only served to p!ss off a substantial number of the support, and if we were to vote for reconstruction, then you could multiply that by a factor of 10x, because whatever way you want to dress it up, it saves that mob's neck.

Some fans in the Hibs support aren't going to wear that approach, and it will manifest itself in lower season ticket sales (which are going to take a hit anyway), leading to an inferior team.

If the club are also looking up the table at them after them being spared relegation and doubtless splashing the cash again - as we all know they will do (and have basically said they will in their leaked e-mail to agents about being in the market for new players once they've dumped the current lot) then that same ill-feeling will be further ramped up among the fanbase.

HMFC as the "establishment" club in Edinburgh have historically been over-indulged by the useless football authorities, their acolytes in the media, and our illustrious council to boot.

Let's not add to that list this time round eh Hibs?

Poll running at 91% in favour of calling the league as is. That’s a lot of customers that Hibs risk upsetting.


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Originally Posted by Capt Mainwaring

You would do well to outline the financial impact for Hibs if the proposal is voted through, and Hibs finish 7th ( eg lower Prize Money of £125k) and (with Hearts relegated the differential loss of income from up to 2 x derby games v 2 x Dundee Utd) next season

There will be other impacts for sure and adverse consequences for Hibs.

So to help people consider their voting intentions allow them to see the potential downside for us

Every club will likely act in their own interests. The stance Hearts are taking is not unreasonable, and frankly if Hibs were in the same position we’d all want the Hibs Board to do the same.

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His could also finish lower than 7th so maybe it would be wise to accept that

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

You could read whatever you want into the comment. Does "everything in football had to change anyway" mean she thinks the leagues needed to be restructured whether we suffered the current problems or not? I don't know and neither do you, but she does also say "in some small way" - restructuring the leagues is not a small way.

"I think it is going to change everything". She's absolutely right here IMO. Most clubs in Scotland are going to have to reset significantly and several are in real danger of going the way of the original Rangers. As I said, if that happens restructuring of some sort will become inevitable.

I think what LD is saying is that we have to react to events as they happen, ruling nothing out and ruling nothing in, and if restructuring is the best way to deal with them then so be it. My personal view is that an immediate restructuring is a bad choice, but I'm not in possession of all the information necessary to support that view in full.

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Thanks for taking the time to reply. I take your points on board and that has gone some way to calm me down! Haha

I think with such an emotive subject however she would have been best to give the standard response than dropping hints that are open to interpretation.

I wouldn't vote for league reconstruction no matter the circumstance. I've just never been fond of the idea.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Poll running at 91% in favour of calling the league as is. That’s a lot of customers that Hibs risk upsetting.


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If that was across the full support then yes it is however at the moment it’s a very small sample size

Think folk need to chill. Hibs wont be saving Hearts and at no point did LD say they would. Its clear they are keeping options open. Hearts will still be relegated

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

A restructure that involves merging with maybe the Dutch and Belgian leagues would peak my interest and make me turn a blind eye to any benefit Hearts may receive but a temporary change to 14 teams would be the worst solution of all. It would be admitting 14 is a bad number and that this is all about saving Hearts.


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I doubt I'm in the minority when I say that I have absolutely nae interest in merging with Dutch or Belgian leagues :confused:

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Originally Posted by chrisski33

Think folk need to chill. Hibs wont be saving Hearts and at no point did LD say they would. Its clear they are keeping options open. Hearts will still be relegated

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There's very little chance that Hearts are going down. People are living in a different world if they think this season can be played to a finish. Then I'm sure the league will be called and Celtic will get the league, but I think it's almost a certainty that they'll have league reconstruction to save anyone getting relegated. I'll be disgusted by that as it's all done to save Hearts, but that's how I see it happening.

I think some people on this thread forget they've bought and cheated their way to trophies, at our expense. Their support has been unbearable since Romanov arrived. The right thing is they go down. It just won't happen.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Wow, your awful blasé about our season ticket sales. One minute your all about what’s good for Hibs, next you don’t care if folk buy tickets of not.


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I don't care if a few don't bother because instead of going all out to get Hearts, we do whats best for Hibs. That would be a laughable reason to stop going and the club shouldn't be catering to those people.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Can't vote on phone but we should be voting to relegate Hearts.

If we do I'll genuinely reconsider my intention to get a season ticket for next season.

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You can if you change it to default style at the bottom

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Originally Posted by easty

I doubt I'm in the minority when I say that I have absolutely nae interest in merging with Dutch or Belgian leagues :confused:

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Exactly, awful suggestion and how exactly would we get to these countries with the almost certain travel bans that will remain in place for a while.

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Originally Posted by Kato

Are footballers' lives and jobs not at risk?

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Yes. And?

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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They won’t be wrong if Dempster votes to save them.


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"We have the ruthless gene..."

:faf: aye, you're that ruthless that you're completely reliant on your biggest rivals doing you a favour to stop you being relegated. What ****ing planet are these clowns on??

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

I don't care if a few don't bother because instead of going all out to get Hearts, we do whats best for Hibs. That would be a laughable reason to stop going and the club shouldn't be catering to those people.

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You are being extremely niave and shortsighted if this is what you truely believe.

Please explain to me how voting for reconstruction, in this context, actually benefits Hibs? I am really keen to hear your response.

LD says in the interview that she thinks we should take our time before deciding? How does that fit in with the need to vote tomorrow?


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Originally Posted by Peevemor

"in some small way"

League reconstruction?
Changes to how the money is shared out?
Change of calender for league season?
Summer football?
Changes to split?
Changes to promotion/relegation/play-off system?

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Other than reconstruction, no other plans are currently on the table. Obviously there might be other things that are being considered and we haven’t heard, but I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Steve20

There's very little chance that Hearts are going down. People are living in a different world if they think this season can be played to a finish. Then I'm sure the league will be called and Celtic will get the league, but I think it's almost a certainty that they'll have league reconstruction to save anyone getting relegated. I'll be disgusted by that as it's all done to save Hearts, but that's how I see it happening.

I think some people on this thread forget they've bought and cheated their way to trophies, at our expense. Their support has been unbearable since Romanov arrived. The right thing is they go down. It just won't happen.

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It needs 11 of 12 the spl to vote for reconstruction. No chance. It would only be to save Hertz. Why would Aberdeen,Motherwell etc take a cut of monies. It ain't happening.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

"We have the ruthless gene..."

:faf: aye, you're that ruthless that you're completely reliant on your biggest rivals doing you a favour to stop you being relegated. What ****ing planet are these clowns on??

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I do not agree with 99.99% of opinions on that board, however that sits in the 0.01% if it does play out that way.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

LD says in the interview that she thinks we should take our time before deciding? How does that fit in with the need to vote tomorrow?


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Because there's an element of "wait and see" written in to the proposal for the top league. However acceptance will mean relegation (unfair IMO) for Partick, unless there's also league reconstruction.

They have been the worst team in the league for 12 months. Not just this season. Truth be told though, if it was Hibs in Hearts position I would have the same stance as them - it doesn’t seem right to end the season and relegate teams based on the season being incomplete and it being more than recoverable. Fortunately it isn’t, we are not in that position so only need to make a position that brings us out of this positively.

Forget the short-term loss (2 x gates versus Hearts at ER). Strategically we have a chairman/owner and CEO that have committed to wanting us to regularly finish in the top 4 places in the league. Wanting increased crowds that have not been seen in decades. Are coming out with marketing lines that state “this is our city”. To achieve these goals, what sense does it make in voting to save a direct competitor to all these goals when you could put them back for w year whilst you strive to get on your way to achieving these goals.

If there’s one thing history tells me, they are the luckiest team ever that worm their way out of every situation and end up at some point along the way have success against us.

I hope the board are thinking of the impact this will have on sizeable numbers in our support and I trust them to make the right call. Let’s see how it plays out.

Hi NN I have some sympathy with your point of view as a season ticket holder ( I’ve already bought next season’s) and along with most of our support would be happy to see them relegated but after reading your post I took my green tinted glasses off and thought would it be a bad thing if league reconstruction was to go ahead with 18 teams playing each other once home and away ?, but then I had a look over on kickback and found this thread, after reading it I now say relegate them it’s what they would do

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Posted March 10

We beat St Mirren 2-0 tomorrow night and go above them on goal difference.

On Thurs morning, the SPFL/SFA decide to end the season prematurely due to COVID-19. To ensure that Dundee Utd don’t hit the wall, the decision is taken to cancel the play offs, but relegate one and promote one. As a result, St Mirren are relegated on goal difference on technically the last day of the season. They then spend the rest of their eternity thinking about how this could have been avoided if they hadn’t let Celtic pump them last weekend.

That my friends is ****ing karma!!!

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

A reasonable reply mate. From my POV it's not just about Hearts as a club, who without a doubt have been so badly run they can't complain about the position they find themselves in. I'm purely looking at this from two angles:

Firstly I just can't in all honesty see the fairness in relegating a club, even them with their history, in circumstances which are so unbelievably unique and with so much of the season still to play, nor can I see how it would be fair on any club's supporters, even theirs .. said through gritted teeth I assure you.

Secondly, The only way I can see which will satisfy as many clubs fans as possible, never mind the clubs themselves, is for a league set up next season which includes the top two in the championship .... it's no secret that ICT are teetering on the brink and a season in the premiership will probably save them from going under ... folk don't even seem to be thinking about them ... in all honesty beaten to the championship title by a club whose spending is no less excessive than Hearts for the league they are in.

Can anybody in all honesty, hand on heart, say they would have seen any fairness in Hibs being relegated if we had been bottom of the league when play stopped in these circumstances ... I sure as hell couldn't.

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Maybe Hibs feel that they can move up the league, and possibly get 4th/5th, which means a lot more money
Whatever way we vote, we vote in our interests, and nothing to do with relegating Hearts

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Maybe Hibs feel that they can move up the league, and possibly get 4th/5th, which means a lot more money
Whatever way we vote, we vote in our interests, and nothing to do with relegating Hearts

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In which case they need to articulate that and say which way they are going to vote tomorrow.


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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Maybe Hibs feel that they can move up the league, and possibly get 4th/5th, which means a lot more money
Whatever way we vote, we vote in our interests, and nothing to do with relegating Hearts

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Exactly Billy im puzzled as to why folk havent thought of this reasoning.fk Hearts they are going down anyway

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Originally Posted by Lee Marvin

You are being extremely niave and shortsighted if this is what you truely believe.

Please explain to me how voting for reconstruction, in this context, actually benefits Hibs? I am really keen to hear your response.

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I would say those focusing purely on relegating the Hearts at all costs are being naive, short sighted and very parochial. :agree:

Hibs will, as they should, take the view on this and will vote in a way that best benefits us as a club and for the survival of Scottish football. Leeann is advocating a very sensible wait and see strategy at the moment as the picture is still not clear.

If this is a chance to improve Scottish football then we should consider what those options could look like as we have some time to think through these things.

FWIW my own view is end it now, distribute the money and let everyone get on with planning for the next season.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Maybe Hibs feel that they can move up the league, and possibly get 4th/5th, which means a lot more money
Whatever way we vote, we vote in our interests, and nothing to do with relegating Hearts

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There’s more chance of finishing higher in the table next season with hearts relegated also though. The league isn’t going to start again any time soon and the vote isn’t for this to happen right away I’m the Premiership, the vote is to vote on the proposal going through if the league cannot be concluded.

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Originally Posted by chrisski33

Exactly Billy im puzzled as to why folk havent thought of this reasoning.fk Hearts they are going down anyway

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Like I said, the vote is to vote on the proposal if the league cannot be finished. It’s not to finish the league right away.

There's not really a bad outcome for us. Either Hearts are relegated which is funny, or they're saved and we get to have the derby next season. In terms of our position, since we're mid table it doesn't mean much.

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Originally Posted by Michael

There's not really a bad outcome for us. Either Hearts are relegated which is funny, or they're saved and we get to have the derby next season. In terms of our position, since we're mid table it doesn't mean much.

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Nice to read a post from someone not suffering from a dreadful virus---mass hysteria.

This thread would take a completely different track if the word 'Hearts' was replaced by 'the team that's bottom of the league'.

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Originally Posted by Sioux

This thread would take a completely different track if the word 'Hearts' was replaced by 'the team that's bottom of the league'.

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Of course it would. Because we hate the hearts. Pretty standard.

I am dead against league reconstruction at the same time, so it's potentially a double whammy for me. (If that is to be what's read between the lines in the last paragraph of the LD statement)

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Originally Posted by Sioux

This thread would take a completely different track if the word 'Hearts' was replaced by 'the team that's bottom of the league'.

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Im not sure it would. It’s the fairest way for the season to be decided if it’s agreed at a later date the season cannot be concluded.

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Originally Posted by Michael

There's not really a bad outcome for us. Either Hearts are relegated which is funny, or they're saved and we get to have the derby next season. In terms of our position, since we're mid table it doesn't mean much.

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It’s not great if we vote to keep them and their bigger playing budget allows them to pip us for a European spot or to knock us out the Scottish cup next season.


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So what are folk's views on Partick being relegated? Is that fair?

For what it's worth, I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Poll running at 91% in favour of calling the league as is. That’s a lot of customers that Hibs risk upsetting.


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Maybe true, but I'd prefer the club Chief Executive's decision making to be more focused on Hibs best interests rather than being obsessed with what happens to Hearts as some appear to be.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

So what are folk's views on Partick being relegated? Is that fair?

For what it's worth, I don't think so.

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I don’t think it’s fair on Partick either but that’s not Hibernians issue. There was always going to be a few teams hard done by (Partick and Falkirk so far) but I also don’t think it’s fair that Stranraer are voting against this when they have next to no chance of staying up.

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Originally Posted by Rocky

Maybe true, but I'd prefer the club Chief Executive's decision making to be more focused on Hibs best interests rather than being obsessed with what happens to Hearts as some appear to be.

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What’s Hibs’ best interests in voting against this proposal then? I’m all ears.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

So what are folk's views on Partick being relegated? Is that fair?

For what it's worth, I don't think so.

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'Fair' is subjective.

It most certainly is fair based on Average points per game.

It's not based on who's played who, at which venues, at this time.

If you cannot conclude the matches and 'Null' are not options for financial/legal/contractual reasons, then what are your options?

Is it tough on PT? Yes.

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Originally Posted by BFG

Hi NN I have some sympathy with your point of view as a season ticket holder ( I’ve already bought next season’s) and along with most of our support would be happy to see them relegated but after reading your post I took my green tinted glasses off and thought would it be a bad thing if league reconstruction was to go ahead with 18 teams playing each other once home and away ?, but then I had a look over on kickback and found this thread, after reading it I now say relegate them it’s what they would do

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Posted March 10

We beat St Mirren 2-0 tomorrow night and go above them on goal difference.

On Thurs morning, the SPFL/SFA decide to end the season prematurely due to COVID-19. To ensure that Dundee Utd don’t hit the wall, the decision is taken to cancel the play offs, but relegate one and promote one. As a result, St Mirren are relegated on goal difference on technically the last day of the season. They then spend the rest of their eternity thinking about how this could have been avoided if they hadn’t let Celtic pump them last weekend.

That my friends is ****ing karma!!!

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That's a sensational find. :agree:

Wow a few poor posts on this thread.

Does anyone seriously think the board would vote to save hearts? If we vote against the resolution it’ll be for reasons that affect Hibernian FC. Ie - were set to lose out on 130k right away as St Johnstone will overtake us in the league. What if we need that to keep the lights on?

I’ve voted to relegate hearts because that’s what I’d like to see happen. However if the club vote the other way, I have full confidence they’ve done so with the best interest of Hibs in mind

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Originally Posted by 18Craig75

Wow a few poor posts on this thread.

Does anyone seriously think the board would vote to save hearts? If we vote against the resolution it’ll be for reasons that affect Hibernian FC. Ie - were set to lose out on 130k right away as St Johnstone will overtake us in the league. What if we need that to keep the lights on?

I’ve voted to relegate hearts because that’s what I’d like to see happen. However if the club vote the other way, I have full confidence they’ve done so with the best interest of Hibs in mind

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That's a very valid point. If we posed the question "Should we give £130k to St Johnstone or try to keep it for our selves?" How many would vote for the first option?

I would suggest it's more relevant than whether or not Hearts get relegated.

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Originally Posted by GreenCastle

I’m really against this 14 team league for 1 season nonsense.

If you are going to restructure then it has to be a decent proposal which is put in place for a few years - not a 1 season to please a few teams than back to 12 idea.

I’ve said for years I’m bored of playing teams x4 times and possibly x6 with the cup games etc.

I agree it’s not ideal for rushed proposals but the only compromise I have is relegate Hearts now and then the season after say you would expand the league so basically they get stuck down in that league for a minimum of 1 year.

I’ve not renewed my ST yet - Hibs is a massive part of my life but I’m curious to see what Scottish football do here / Hibs act here - but I do plan to renew before the deadline as long as they don’t pull some nonsense out the bag. Of course I love Hibs more than I dislike Hearts but it’s more to do with the direction of Scottish football.

The We are all Hibs and This is our City taglines need to be justified and I doubt we will make a statement about who we voted for but it’s a question that can’t be dodged surely.

This wasn’t even on the table at the recent AGM and now reconstruction is being talked about out of no where.

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I stopped reading the thread so I could comment on this, so sorry if other folk have made the point I'm about to.

I was at the AGM and I now bitterly regret the fact that I didn't grab the mic and ask Ron Gordon or LD what they thought the effect on Scottish football would be if some guy in China ate a sodding bat and it put the idea of league reconstruction back on the table ..... FFS !

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Originally Posted by 18Craig75

Wow a few poor posts on this thread.

Does anyone seriously think the board would vote to save hearts? If we vote against the resolution it’ll be for reasons that affect Hibernian FC. Ie - were set to lose out on 130k right away as St Johnstone will overtake us in the league. What if we need that to keep the lights on?

I’ve voted to relegate hearts because that’s what I’d like to see happen. However if the club vote the other way, I have full confidence they’ve done so with the best interest of Hibs in mind

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What is the other proposal on the table that allows us to keep that £130k?


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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

That's a very valid point. If we posed the question "Should we give £130k to St Johnstone or try to keep it for our selves?" How many would vote for the first option?

I would suggest it's more relevant than whether or not Hearts get relegated.

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Or we could play the games out (whenever) and finish 8th, losing more. The season is done. Over. Call it a day now and if we end up 7th it's because that is where we deserve to be.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

What’s Hibs’ best interests in voting against this proposal then? I’m all ears.

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£125 grand as a starter. Who knows, maybe also trying to break the Glasgow duopoly, fairer split of TV cash, league reconstruction that's done sensibly and not just focused on delivering 4 bigot derbies to the TV companies every season.

They should give zero hoots what the impact on hearts is (other than weighing up the financial consequences of losing the derby). For what it's worth, I don't care about losing that but then I'm not privy to the books so don't know how perilous or otherwise Hibs financial position is. Neither do the people voting on this poll right enough.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

I don’t think it’s fair on Partick either but that’s not Hibernians issue. There was always going to be a few teams hard done by (Partick and Falkirk so far) but I also don’t think it’s fair that Stranraer are voting against this when they have next to no chance of staying up.

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Surely Hearts aren't Hibs' issue either then? How Hibs vote will affect Hearts, but they shouldn't be a deciding factor.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Or we could play the games out (whenever) and finish 8th, losing more. The season is done. Over. Call it a day now and if we end up 7th it's because that is where we deserve to be.

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100% correct.
It was a terrible interview from Dempster. It says nothing but throws doubt all over the place. She doesn’t say she is in favour of anything. She against null and void but that’s off the table now anyway.
If she wants reconstruction then she should say so. Tell us what her plan is?


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Originally Posted by Keith_M

In a magical world where all threat of Coronavirus just disappeared by Saturday, I think that would be ideal. Let's face it, Hearts would go down.


However, it's just not an option.

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I don't see why. I'd rather we postponed next season and finished this one. People keep saying it's not an option but I'm not yet clear why.

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Originally Posted by Rocky

£125 grand as a starter. Who knows, maybe also trying to break the Glasgow duopoly, fairer split of TV cash, league reconstruction that's done sensibly and not just focused on delivering 4 bigot derbies to the TV companies every season.

They should give zero hoots what the impact on hearts is (other than weighing up the financial consequences of losing the derby). For what it's worth, I don't care about losing that but then I'm not privy to the books so don't know how perilous or otherwise Hibs financial position is. Neither do the people voting on this poll right enough.

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Dempster says we are good for about 5 months without football in the interview. If it’s that long then most of the clubs in Scotland will be wiped out.
If she has ideas on reconstruction she should say so quickly because the vote is tomorrow.


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Originally Posted by neil7908

I don't see why. I'd rather we postponed next season and finished this one. People keep saying it's not an option but I'm not yet clear why.

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Because there is no more money to be collected from this season, so the clubs would have to survive until maybe Oct/Nov with zero cash coming in.


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Send them down down down now

No mercy

They would do the same to us and just love it

The glove is on the other foot

Remember 1990

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Or we could play the games out (whenever) and finish 8th, losing more. The season is done. Over. Call it a day now and if we end up 7th it's because that is where we deserve to be.

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We could finish third (I think) if we finished the season as well - at least it would all have been decided on the field. It's clear that's unlikely to happen, but we have accumulated more points playing football than St Johnstone and our record against them is W1 D1 L0 - why do we deserve to finish behind them in the league? We'd be conceding a place to them and giving them a chunk of money despite being demonstrably the better team.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

What is the other proposal on the table that allows us to keep that £130k?


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Defer the decision? That seems to be what LD is proposing.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Because there is no more money to be collected from this season, so the clubs would have to survive until maybe Oct/Nov with zero cash coming in.


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So let's give out the cash based on current leagues places and then play the games at the next available opportunity. Means clubs can keep going and the really important stuff (ie. promotion and relegation, Europe) can still be sorted. If say Aberdeen finish 3rd but get the prize money for 4th I'm sure they'll be fine with it.

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

Defer the decision? That seems to be what LD is proposing.

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Which is also what's in the SPFL board's proposition.

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Originally Posted by neil7908

So let's give out the cash based on current leagues places and then play the games at the next available opportunity. Means clubs can keep going and the really important stuff (ie. promotion and relegation, Europe) can still be sorted. If say Aberdeen finish 3rd but get the prize money for 4th I'm sure they'll be fine with it.

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And what if Livi get the prize money for 5th, finish bottom then go down the tubes?

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

We could finish third (I think) if we finished the season as well - at least it would all have been decided on the field. It's clear that's unlikely to happen, but we have accumulated more points playing football than St Johnstone and our record against them is W1 D1 L0 - why do we deserve to finish behind them in the league? We'd be conceding a place to them and giving them a chunk of money despite being demonstrably the better team.

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We are 1 point ahead and played 1 game more. They have taken more points of Hearts and Sevco than we have. Spin stats anyway you like but we are not demonstrably a better team.

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Originally Posted by lucky

Not surprised by the comments on here but it’s time to take the green specs off. The proposal of points per game costs Hibs £125k in prize money. The loss of two games against them another £250k. There is going to be very little money around next season not only in football but in society. It’s fanciful to think Hibs will average 180000 for home games next year when unemployment levels could hit 20%. There is going to be a drop in ST sales at most clubs if not all, sponsorship will be down as will hospitality. I’d be amazed if any “fan” that could afford a ST did not get one to punish Hibs for voting against ending the season prematurely. This vote is NOT just about Hearts, listen to what it’s means to Partick Thistle and Stranraer and the clubs in the play offs. Football is about competing to the final whistle, the 21/05/16 taught us that. All teams should have the chance to win leagues and cups on the pitch or even get relegated on the pitch not the boardroom.

I can guarantee you now if Hibs were bottom of the league we would be going off our heads about being denying the opportunity to save ourselves on the pitch. These proposals are just wrong

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So do we just wait and wait? When do we call time on this season - or do we not? The longer it goes on, the more likely many of our clubs will hit the buffers waiting on the pay out of desperately needed prize money. That money will be the saving grace for more than a few clubs.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Dempster says we are good for about 5 months without football in the interview. If it’s that long then most of the clubs in Scotland will be wiped out.
If she has ideas on reconstruction she should say so quickly because the vote is tomorrow.


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Showing your hand in the heat of the moment is a very poor negotiating strategy. If she has ideas on reconstruction I'd expect her to support a no vote tomorrow then mobilise an influencing strategy ahead of the next decision point.

I don't know the ins and outs but I'm definitely looking for a Chief exec to weigh up a complex situation and act in the best interests of the game generally and Hibs specifically before making any decisions. Making decisions based on what's best to "pump the hearts" is exactly what we laugh at keekback for.

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Originally Posted by 18Craig75

Wow a few poor posts on this thread.

Does anyone seriously think the board would vote to save hearts? If we vote against the resolution it’ll be for reasons that affect Hibernian FC. Ie - were set to lose out on 130k right away as St Johnstone will overtake us in the league. What if we need that to keep the lights on?

I’ve voted to relegate hearts because that’s what I’d like to see happen. However if the club vote the other way, I have full confidence they’ve done so with the best interest of Hibs in mind

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What would you suggest the outcome will be if we vote against it? This isn’t for the Prem to end right away with St Johnstone finishing above us. If the league can’t be concluded and it’s voided what position do we finish fifth with hearts 6th while Livi would get prize money for finishing 9th instead of 6th?

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Originally Posted by tamig

So do we just wait and wait? When do we call time on this season - or do we not? The longer it goes on, the more likely many of our clubs will hit the buffers waiting on the pay out of desperately needed prize money. That money will be the saving grace for more than a few clubs.

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It’s not just that. It would be voting against not ending the lower leagues which would collapse a good few clubs down there when the vote isn’t even to end the Prem.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

We are 1 point ahead and played 1 game more. They have taken more points of Hearts and Sevco than we have. Spin stats anyway you like but we are not demonstrably a better team.

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Our first game against them when we were struggling under Hecky was a 2-2 draw. Our last game against them was a 4-1 win. There's no spin there, and that demonstrates that we are the better team.

If Dempster votes for them. She’s lost my support.

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

Our first game against them when we were struggling under Hecky was a 2-2 draw. Our last game against them was a 4-1 win. There's no spin there, and that demonstrates that we are the better team.

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Aye ok. It's a bit daft stripping it back to that level as on that basis Hearts are demonstrably better than us.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Aye ok. It's a bit daft stripping it back to that level as on that basis Hearts are demonstrably better than us.

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I would say giving them 5th place despite having more points than them is just as daft.

We're also ahead of them in the league and their game in hand is against a team that is way above both of us so they would be expected to lose it.

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Originally Posted by SteveHFC

If Dempster votes for them. She’s lost my support.

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Why? It's not even her decision to take, it's the board's.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

And what if Livi get the prize money for 5th, finish bottom then go down the tubes?

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What do you mean go down the tubes? Surely that could happen to any team right now? Presumably getting the prize money for 5th would mean this is less likely?

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Originally Posted by neil7908

What do you mean go down the tubes? Surely that could happen to any team right now? Presumably getting the prize money for 5th would mean this is less likely?

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Purely to illustrate why the league will be wary of overpaying teams.

Can’t remember who said it but there will have been 42 versions of sporting integrity across the leagues at the start of the shutdown. I suspect that for the vast majority that has faded and finance will drive most thinking now: probably the reason some have called for the cash to be shared ahead of the vote.

For me, call the season, take seventh, and plan for next season whenever it starts.


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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Which is also what's in the SPFL board's proposition.

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With the exception that the spfl then have the power to call it whenever they want without going back to the clubs

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

I would say giving them 5th place despite having more points than them is just as daft.

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They have played a game less. Chances are they would lose but having taken a point of sevco already, who knows. It's our fault for not taking enough points off the likes of Livi, hearts etc for being where we are.

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Originally Posted by Radium

Can’t remember who said it but there will have been 42 versions of sporting integrity across the leagues at the start of the shutdown. I suspect that for the vast majority that has faded and finance will drive most thinking now: probably the reason some have called for the cash to be shared ahead of the vote.

For me, call the season, take seventh, and plan for next season whenever it starts.


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If the cash gets shared before the vote then the vote will never happen and we’ll be talking about this all summer.


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Originally Posted by Lee Marvin

You are being extremely niave and shortsighted if this is what you truely believe.

Please explain to me how voting for reconstruction, in this context, actually benefits Hibs? I am really keen to hear your response.

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That isn't what I said. I said Hibs should be voting in the best interests of Hibs, not to spite Hearts.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

That isn't what I said. I said Hibs should be voting in the best interests of Hibs, not to spite Hearts.

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The best interests of the Hibernian support is to relegate they ****s though or do the fans not count?

Hearts relegated.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

They have played a game less. Chances are they would lose but having taken a point of sevco already, who knows. It's our fault for not taking enough points off the likes of Livi, hearts etc for being where we are.

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I've edited my post to cover that point. My view is that we deserve to be in 6th place at the moment because that is what we achieved playing football, we're unbeaten against the other team with a claim to sixth and their game in hand was very unlikely to produce the result required for them to pass us.

Why do you think we deserve to be seventh?

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Originally Posted by 90+2

The best interests of the Hibernian support is to relegate they ****s though or do the fans not count?

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Says who? Maybe some would prefer them to stay up and struggle so we can play/beat them 3 times next season?