And taxis also put their price up during busy periods as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by patch1875
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And taxis also put their price up during busy periods as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by patch1875
I didn't know that, I thought the tariffs were the same all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
No they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
That's a blatant falsehood and you know it.
There’s 4(I think?) different tariffs. That’s 4 different price points and an ability to put the prices up and down at busy periods. Hardly any different to Uber is it? Uber just do it on a more flexible, less fixed basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Taxi fairs are increased all weekend, every weekend from the base tariff judging by the ECC website if we really want to moan about Uber increasing theirs.
There’s 4 tariffs that change day/night also Xmas new year tariff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Aye I often have to get out my phone and use google translate to have any kind of conversation with my Uber driver, right enough :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
They are not increased all weekend. Again another falsehood.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4118/taxi_fare_card_from_18_june_2018.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
This would seem to suggest from 6am on Saturday morning they’re increased until 6am Monday. So either I’m reading it wrong or you’re claiming they’re not increased ALL weekend because of the 6 hour window on Saturday morning before they go up..
(The things you learn on here.)Quote:
Originally Posted by patch1875
Just looked it up, there are two tariffs, one for day during the week, and one for night and all weekend.
There are two more that replace these at Christmas, and New Year.
Not the same as surge charges on Uber.
Isn’t it tariff 2 all weekend?Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
6pm Friday, till 6 am Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Not the exact same because Uber’s increases aren’t defined in terms of when it’ll happen or by how much.. Other than that though it’s still an increase in the fair. So the same concept really, the fairs go up when it’s busier and/or less desirable to work. Just that the black cab version is more predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Yes, that's the essence. The black cab one is more predictable in that it is set a year in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
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Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Yeah ok I got that bit wrong so apologies. In my defence I never work Sundays :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by patch1875
However that's a standard fare rate over the whole weekend - quite different from Calums quote "and an ability to put the prices up and down at busy periods."
We cant. Prices and rates are set by the council and cant be altered.
Not at all, no need to apologise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
I didn’t mean that they can just be set willy nilly. But they do have the ability to go up or down at busy periods. The big difference is that it’s set in stone when that will be and what the increase will be. It’s not a massively dissimilar concept to surge pricing though. Just that Uber’s is a more “live” system.
Uber don't over-charge, they just charge - the user accepts or declines the fee. That's part of the transaction.
Over-charging would be if there was a prescribed rate and they charged more than that (i.e. Hibs advertising concession prices then charging concessions full price)
They don’t have the ability to up or down at busy periods. They’re set and can’t be changed until there’s a fare review. Your wording is suggesting that during busy periods the price can rise which just isn’t true. There’s a day shift rate, a night shift rate, and two rates during the Christmas and new year period. The busiest period of the year is the festival and the price then is the same as it is in January.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Ok, apologies for the use of the word ability. I wasn’t suggesting that the fares can be changed as and when a black cab driver fancies.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Point still stands though, black cab rates vary and are increased at certain times which is exactly the issue people claim they have with Uber.
Having the technology that Uber have at their disposal allows them to do it on a sort of live, in-play, more variable basis which black cabs of course don’t. That’s the only real difference in the concept of it.
The point is that you always know what you will pay in a taxi meter car (PHC are on the same tariff) as the price is set annually. You can never be sure how much an Uber will cost you.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Imagine if pubs operated on a surge pricing system, it would cost you more for a pint the busier the pub was. You would never be sure what your round would cost every time you went to the bar.
We were down on Manchester for the cricket for a few days and used Uber a lot, as well as black cabs.
Uber tells you the price in advance and it does vary depending on demand, but that’s your choice. Our biggest problem was we were staying relatively close to Old Trafford so there were bigger fares on offer. This meant we got acceptances which then got cancelled but that’s the nature of it.
All our drivers have always been friendly, polite and spoke English well or perfectly. Same in Birmingham and Leeds. In fact it was Leeds where we had a black cab driver who tried to take us a far too long route back to our apartment as well as being a bit of a racist ****
No we don't, that's a complete lie. There are 2 normal prices 6am-6pm starts at £2.60 and 6pm-6am is £3.60, only prices dearer are xmas and new year. I've seen quotes from Uber at busy times going from city centre to the airport of £45-60 during a surge, our prices stay the same even when we're chocka but don't let the truth get in way of having a dig at taxi drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
There’s no doubting that a surge system has downsides to it. But when you consider the fact that the fares are so low when it’s not surging then I think it’s something that most folk are happy to accept as part of the package.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
The option is there if they want to take it. It pays to shop around.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
So they don’t go up.. yet you go on to tell us about how they start at £2.60 then go up to £3.60 and then up again at Xmas and new year :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
With regards to a £60 Uber to the airport I’ve never saw anything close to that. However, I could pay for a good few £60 Uber’s to the airport and still end up better off because of how much I’ve saved elsewhere on them. That’s the nature of their pricing structure. Just because the meter is the traditional taxi method of deciding a fare it doesn’t make a new, more technologically advanced method wrong, as much as you might like to think it.
I done Uber for 3 months through last winter never seen an airport fare anywhere near that.
Cabbies think that the surge is constant trust me it’s not.
I use it to go to and from the airport for work regularly and I’ve never saw it close to that either. And the 3x surge that has been mentioned a few times I’ve never saw anything close to that. I don’t even think I’ve saw it go 2x.Quote:
Originally Posted by patch1875
I’m not doubting that the system would allow it and it may well have even happened. But it would be a rarity to say the least.
On Christmas Day last year, I got an Uber from kingsknowe, to stop by the canny man in Stockbridge, then on to liberton golf club.
Just checked on the app.
2pm Christmas Day
£13.18
Cannae complain.
Even 2x will be cheaper than a black cab.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
I’ve said before if it a surge cancel and try again in 5 mins as it draws cars to the area the demand will drop.
Wtf is the Canny Man? I live in Stockbridge and I’ve never heard of it :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by easty
The only Canny Man I can think off in Edinburgh is in Morningside.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
There's a lot of detail about it on one of the 'worst pubs in Edinburgh' threads kicking about on here. It's by no means a rough pub but definitely merits it's place on the list.
Thats a pretty disgraceful generalisation you’ve made there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I do have a bit of sympathy for J-C and the like having to go through The Knowledge etc, but there are choices for the drivers as well as the punters nowadays.
Anybody having a day out that included the Canny Man and a golf club should have some serious questions to answer regarding their jambo credentials.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
The poster in question is allowed the benefit of the doubt for making the journey by uber. 399000 out of 400000 jambos would have just taken the rover.
Do you not have rogue black cab drivers who rip folk off with surcharges? I think the bundle of joy that is hermit mentioned it in another post recently. Maybe in his beloved Musselburgh thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
I meant morningsideQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I don’t was being dropped off there to go to dinner on Jordan Lane. My dad was going on to dinner at the golf club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Spot on, especially your last paragraph. These companies should work out how much it takes to make their drivers employees and base the fares on what is actually possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
This bogus self employment and ‘flexibility’ is a nonsense that flies in the face of all the workers rights that we’ve fought so hard for. Technology has the potential to make so many people’s lives better but far too often it’s enabling the select few to line their pockets while everyone else is gradually finding things tougher.
It’s a shame that people’s financial circumstances force them into a corner by taking the cheaper option, exacerbating the problem.
The surge was well and truly over 3x the night The Rolling Stones were on last year. A girl waiting on the bus told me her normal 15-17 quid fare was quoted at £62, this was Princes St at half past midnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
It does happen when big events are on as the demand is much higher 5x was common at Hogmanay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killiehibbie
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Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Look at his post again, he said taxi go up in price when it's busier, nonsense. The prices are set by the council and are a daytime and nighttime starting price which all metered PHC ( all 5's, all 7's ) have as well, we cannot decide to up our prices whenever it gets really busy like after a rugby match or busy times during the festival.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/511249...cause-of-snow/
Probably right, typed before engaging the brain, can you delete yours too ta.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSK
Done mate 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
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Originally Posted by MSK
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I’ve already said that I maybe worded it poorly. Point still stands though, taxis increase their prices at certain times, just like Uber do. It’s just on a more fixed, advertised basis. You’ve ignored numerous posts from me where I’ve acknowledged they can’t just do it as and when they feel like it so I’m not sure what your point is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Without knowing for certain what the logic is for the pricing increases and the time of them I’m presuming it’s because certain times are busier and/or less desirable to work (such as Christmas). If that’s not the case then maybe you can tell me what the logic behind the different tariffs is? And you could maybe even do it like an adult without pathetic personal insults.
People are incentivised to work anti social hours by a higher tariff. It's much the same as many other industries in that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
I don’t have an issue with the fact there’s tariffs btw. It makes sense to me to have them. I also don’t have an issue with Uber’s surge set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Neither do I. It's fair enough, and now I know a bit more about Uber, I might consider them.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
If using a taxi meter service though, I'll put my trust in someone who knows the best route, before an unskilled driver that doesn't know the city.
PHC discounts tend to get eaten up by the crap touted tgeyr drivers take.
I presume Beep Beep is a PHC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
I think it's an app driven service like Uber.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
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Originally Posted by Cataplana
It's all the 7's, they already have large signs on the west stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
My point was also taxis do not raise prices willy nilly like Uber do just because it's busy.
:agree: The taxi tariff has nothing to do with how busy it is, it’s solely based on what the council thinks is appropriate for working at any given time. Most people who work nights will be paid more, and people who work on Christmas Day or New Years Day will be paid extra, that’s exactly how it is in the taxis.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Mate, it's pointless. Like it or not, there's options for folk now and trying to justify why people should use a black over a PHC just alienates further.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Uber does surge at times but it's cheaper 9 times out of 10 than a taxi. I know a few taxi drivers and they're good honest working people but I do fear it's a trade that will ultimately be squeezed so much Uber it won't be a viable trade for people within a few years.
We’ll see. Hopefully that doesn’t happen and they can co exist. As it stands just now, it would seem from what LB said earlier in the thread that use of black cabs is on the up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
I’m just heading out to work now, hopefully use is on the up tonight :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Uber charges an up front payment for getting you to the destination.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
It doesn't increase regardless of how long it takes or which route is taken.
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Uber charge time and distance like others, if the route is longer you get charged. If a mistake is made you can contact Uber and they adjust the fare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Only twice in 3 months did it try and send me the wrong way. Down a street near the pleasance that was no exit at the end and the other time was trying to send me up a dirt track to get to mortonhall caravan park.
Sometimes the customer can cause this if they use the exact location instead of filling in the address.
I take the bus.
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Uber give you an estimate of what the fare will be say between £6.50 - 8.50 all depending on traffic etc.
I had a punter in the taxi one night from Castle St to E Claremont St, came to just under £6.60. He told me he used Uber a couple of times with fare at around £5.50 and the one day he got in one with polish girl driving, fare est. at between £6-7, the route she took was McDonald Rd, Leith Walk, York Pl, the Castle St, traffice due to road works etc was horrendous. After he asked why she was going this way she kept saying she's following the route given to her, he got billed £13 for the fare due to the route she had taken, he complained to Uber and got a refund, he refused to use them again. If the driver has to go a longer route the app works out the distance taken for the job and issues another price, he didn't know that happened.
There's the story from the papers in Dec 2017 when the Uber driver lied to a woman passenger by saying the Forth Br was closed and he had to go via Kincardine Br, the fare she had agreed was suddenly trebled and she was charged £180.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...fife-1-4643625