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Embarrassing post mate. Why don't you just **** off!Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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Originally Posted by Northernhibee
You’re right, it is pointless behaviour when trying to win a Football match, completely counterproductive. Footballers thrive on confidence and once that’s shaky or gone even the best players in the world struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Your final point is also correct, once the size of support start feeling like this there is no way back from it. Have seen it enough times. Even if we end up mid table by season end season tickets will plummet and the club finds itself with season ticket sales back where it was pre-cup win. It’s happening already, no need for the south stand on a beautiful day for walk ups to make a late decision to go and watch Football.
The alarm bells should be ringing in the board room.
That's enough internet for you today I think. Probably the daftest thing that's been posted tonight!Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
The booing of the manager is indeed a rare occurrence, and one I don't recall happening for a very long time. People witnessing this should be worried, not calling each other out or talking rubbish about banning them.
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Originally Posted by Northernhibee
The !! at he end of the sentence was meant to convey that it was a bit of jest in a tongue in cheek kinda way.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
You got that though, right?!!
Second home game of the season and I’m afraid to say this but we are ducking dug *****. Embarrassing performance. We didn’t deserve anything from that today!
Tactically Heckingbottom was poor today (and I’m being kind).
Allan on the right was baffling but nowhere near as baffling as the straight swap for Horgan when every other person could see what was needed was Horgan on for Mallan with Allan coming into the middle.
We looked so poor today and our first goal just about woke me up the game was that bad at that point.
At no point was I comfortable we would win and we were lucky to retake the lead so quickly or I think we probably would have lost.
We were simply hanging on for the last 15 and in injury time simply could not work out how to get someone on the ball to take it into the oppositions half, get to the corner and keep it there, in fact when we did have the ball we were hell bent on going for defence splitting passes which they just mopped up and piled the pressure back on.
Home or away, a goal up in injury time the instructions from the manager must be “get a hold of the ball, deny the opposition possession and run the clock down.” That was evidently not what was going on. Were players poor today? Yes, but for me the blame lies squarely with the manager and we were lucky to escape with a draw.
As a Hibs supporter and after the initial frustration of today wears off I’m happy to give the guy a chance to find a solution and I really hope he does but I’m not convinced at all and the next three games are huge now, lose all three and he’s gone, in fact get less than 4 points he’s probably gone but let’s hope he turns it around and we move forward.
Will be interesting to hear PH's comments on the booing. He will and should be asked, so lets hear his justification for the substitution. There is no case for the defence.
Yeah me and my dad were talking about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 07BigD
I can’t remember booing like that during a match in years.
The board really has to take notice which is no bad thing.
Allan is a very good player. Our best playmaker and player. But he is treated like the messiah by some. Not just now, but before he arrived back for the 3rd time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I’m expecting him to tell us to ‘**** off’ after some fans in here have chased him into a ditch.
Scott Allan is the messiah 🤷🏻*♂️Quote:
Originally Posted by judas
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/paul-heckingbottom-didnt-know-rule-16812307Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
The well deserved booing came at various stages of an absolutely inept and atrocious performance from Heckingbottom's team. Some of it for his substitutions, some of it for a group of players who are clearly not good enough and cannot do the simple things well. Like defend. 11 goals shipped in the last three games. Yep, let's have a round of applause. :rolleyes:
Twice in the lead today, twice pegged back, and yet another goal lost in time added on. This, against a team who were destroyed 7-0 by Celtic the other week. It was no more than St Johnstone deserved to get an equaliser to be honest.
It was like the bad old days again at ER today. Nine new signings, and this is where we are at? I felt sorry for the new Swedish lad Hibs introduced. What must he be thinking having seen and heard that today?
I was sitting in the west stand. Nobody was booing the players, they were booing Heckingbottom. It started when he hooked Scott Allan. What the **** was that about????
For a manager to blame the fans for the result is a new low for this club. The guy makes Pat Fenlon look good.
I'll stick with him for now. But if we lose the derby at home next month he won't see Xmas.
And so the Booer war commenced...but it was at the manager’s decision rather than the players.
What manager blamed the fans for the result?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Baker2
Not the Hibs manager anyway.
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I personally didn't boo but I can understand why it happened.
I'd say Heckingbottom's not got long left. A growing number of fans are turning against him and I really can't see how that trend will be reversed.
I think a defeat in the derby next month will see his position become untenable.
He’s done, sadly. Not a sensible thing to say even though he has a point. He’ll never get fans back on his side unless we go for a lengthy winning run with attractive football and I just don’t see that happening. We’ve been through this before to know how it goes. I expect Ron won’t be pleased to see this disharmony from the fans to the manager and the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis1875
Don't you know how this works? If you want to make a point, just make things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I don't give a toss who booed who or when it's a convient excuse for some. The players and manager are the only ones involved today who could have won that game they failed and these games we need to win. PH and players 100%.
BTW not saying should be sacked but today is his and his players fault FA to do with crowd.
Might work! Get him in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
So some fans boo a managers decision and some find that embarrassing? Like really??
Have a look at who and why they were booing in the 1st place. Our only decent creative midfielder taken off and going from 2 up front to 1 was a negative substitution far to early in the match and it reeked of hanging on for 1-0. Allan was also played wider than normal and had anquiter game because of where he was played. I honestly dont think Heckingbottom has got a clue what he is doing.
Exactly, the boooing was aimed at our feckless clown of a manager.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Captain Trips
The crowd booed a negative substitution from the manager. Big ****ing deal
Deary me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis1875
He is doing himself no favours at all with comments like that.
Matter of time now.
It was a pile of piss for a home game the players and managers get plenty of cheers when all good a few boos and it's the supports fault. The only thing even remotley embarrassing out there was setup and play and some performances. No its the supporters booing that defends like pish. Ffs the players and PH need a long hard look at themselves tonight on a match we should win and discuss why we didn't and work on it not happening again. Fans booing aye right.
Read the article in the Edinburgh Evening News....Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Cant get link up
chatting to a friend in bathgate today before leaving...
hibs will beat st.johnstone today mate
me...ermm what makes you think that, st.johnstone have been utter p@sh, there's no other team in scotland they would want to play to get the confidence back again, i know heckingbottoms hibs better than he does :agree:
I boo'd the decision when our manager made his substitutions. I'd given my all for the team in the first 60 minutes of the match where I watched a great big hole in the middle of the park where Scott Allan should have been, given over to a team that were thumped 7-0 a couple of weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
They couldn't believe their luck.
Had we held on today, we'd have just papered over the cracks, and they're becoming wider by the week.
I'm not one for having a go at the team, as they play the formation and tactics deployed by their boss, and the buck stops with him.
The clock is ticking.
Where does it say he blamed the fans for the result?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Baker2
First things first. I booed the double substitution. Don’t for a minute feel ashamed to admit it. I’ve supported the club for way too long not to be entitled to an opinion on whether I agree with what a manager/coach does.
I didn’t boo the players. I didn’t even boo the reasoning or the tactical change of the substitutions.
What I was booing was Scott Allan being played out of position for 60 minutes and our glorious leader deemed it necessary to take Scotty off, rather than move him into centre mid where, as we all know, he is far more effective. Apparently Hecky hasn’t cottoned on to that fact yet. That is worrying.
I’m not saying the rest of our play was anywhere near the level we want or expect but to tactically change the the team as Hecky did, and still for it to show an unbalanced set up was not a positive move.
Did it cost us the win? Probably not but it seemed to me it gave St J more motivation to go forward which imho, should have been our initiative being the home team. Somehow it just came across as a backward step on the day and could have ultimately cost us even the draw.
He kind of does in his interview. He knows he's lost the fans and its nobody's fault bar his.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge
When the manager turns on the fans he really is backing himself in to a corner. He should have stuck to the facts Allan was one of ten he could have subbed as everyone was average of poor except Flo.
Paul Heckingbottom post-matchQuote:
Originally Posted by 007
“It was disappointing. We were trying to get he boys to relax but the whole stadium was anxious and that spread to the players.....
“We have got to learn to keep working and dealing with that but there was a real anxiousness that spread from the stands to the players....
From where I was sitting the booing from the fans was aimed at Heckingbottom and definitely not the players. He certainly knew this, as the fans were calling his name. He's trying to deflect the back to the fans. The man has a lot to learn!
He kind of doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by supermcginn
He refers to the anxiousness getting to the players. Which was blatantly obvious to every ****er.
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Originally Posted by Joe Baker2
They might be aimed at him but you’re deluded if you think it doesn’t have an impact on the players. He’s said nothing wrong there and is spot on
Anxiety which he causes! Loves his team sitting back. So much for pressing high 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
No wonder the crowd "in the whole stadium" was anxious. That was because Hibs were so dire, and St J looked as if they might score every time they attacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Baker2
I thought the atmosphere was ok today. For sure there was loud booing at the substitution but I wouldn’t describe the atmosphere as toxic . Personally I don’t see the point of booing my own team or manager during a game as it can only have a negative effect on our team. It’s only 3 games into the season so I’m not panicking but there needs to be improvement soon. i get the impression Hecky’s aspiration is simply to go for a top 6 finish which is poor and at this rate not guaranteed.
Aye he probably will take scott allan off again,but someone should ask him if he will continue to play an underperforming stevie mallan mores the point.
He badly needs a stint on the bench.
I think you have put that very well PB re SA, spot on and the fans see this they are not blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Not read the whole thread as I’m sure there will be folk quite proud of the ridiculous reactions of the crowd at points.
The performance got progressively worse as the game went on and that tends to happen when the atmosphere is hostile.
The crowd are embarrassing- we’re the only ground in the SPL that is always half empty with 5 minutes left and the negativity and fickleness is beyond ridiculous.
Yes the team don’t look good, but the willingness for
the team to fail from a large chunk of our crowd is horrendous.
A result like this would NEVER have happened under Lennon....
Pish. It very often did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakedmanoncrack
Maybe we should be recruiting more mentally resilient players then? In seriousness, we have some really poor players if anxiousness in the stands caused that today, these new players will never win anything in their careers if they don’t toughen up. Anxiousness cause us to get thumped 6-1 as well? Was it that anxiousness that caused us to need extra time in the cup? No, manager and the players are just collectively a bit garbage at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Hecky’s lost it tbh, he’s the sort of manager that players respect but they’ll keep pushing the boundaries to see what they can get away with. Hecky blaming fans for his players’ horrendous performances is not going to get him anywhere, we’ll have signs at ER before long. Does he not see how bad the football is?
Absolutely mental support. It was clear that Allan was knackered and getting a roasting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Mental. If they showed half that passion in supporting the side we might've seen that out at the end there.
It did. But he wouldn’t have played Allan on the right wing and put some of the blame on to the support.Quote:
Originally Posted by YanYansen
He’s been our only bright spot this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
The pish football is to blame for results!certainly not the crowd.your at the point of kiddin yourself on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
Can ppl no just accept that the majority of supporters know when its no good enough and boo accordingly.
Or do we accept that saints are a better team than us,cause thats how it looked today.
The fans were certainly not the problem today.
I think Lennon lost twice at home to St Johnstone? So it didn't exactly happen (a draw).Quote:
Originally Posted by YanYansen
That's my point mate, but somebody on the bus was shouting that Lennon wouldn't have tolerated it etc.
The fans were embarrassing but if the players don't have the stones or belief in their own ability to play under the pressure then words need to be had about our recruitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21.05.2016
So much is said about us signing the "right person" but if they crumble under the pressure then maybe the "search filter" needs to change.
Maybe it’s just a poor run of communication coming from the club? Maybe people are just a bit fed of the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
- Bought over by an unknown quantity
- Budgets won’t change
- Fans will need to pony up to achieve plans
- High press
- Fitness levels above what they’ve ever known
- No money, we’ll only get someone worth same as Shaw if he goes on loan.
- Want to make players better.
Club keep talking but don’t seem to be doing the walking. I’ve only used the above statements to show things that have come out in the media. Touching on a few specifically, Slivka is the same or worse than when he arrived (player improvement?), we aren’t pressing and many of our players struggle to last 90mins without tiring badly.
Club should just call it honestly rather than talking rubbish. We’ll scrap for results but these players can’t play high press and we should offload some of these failures rather than hold onto them. Just to cheer everyone up, I can see us selling Kamberi and buying some rubbish as replacement.
Blame the crowd lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
So he makes a sarcastic comment to justify his banal substitution of a guy who's made a trademark defence-splitting pass from a central position having spent the game as a spectator on the wing a moment earlier, that should have been finished off by Doidge?
This comes on the back of his comment 2 weeks ago that some of the players were nervous at playing in front of a "busy" Easter Road, and his continued guff that we're going to play at a "high tempo" with a "high press"?
I think this guy's come up here thinking that the SPFL is an easy league and his lame signings maybe think the same, and they've collectively had a rude awakening.
I had misgivings about him after the meek defeat to Celtic in the Cup at ER last season when we barely laid a glove on them - a cup-tie in which we basically had a free hit and he appeared to be happy with the performance.
If he thinks he knows better than the rest of us fair enough, that's what he's paid a lot of (our) money for, but he'll need to back that up with better results and an understanding that the very least a Hibs team does, especially at Easter Road, is to have a go at whoever we're playing.
If he can't or won't meet that basic expectation, then he's best on his bike before too long, to be honest.
This is how I seen it, very low pace slow build up,don't have anyone in the middle who can run at them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyrougier123
Really need to up the urgency and tempo next game
Previous managers who have failed have used the nervous at ER excuse.
If we can’t play in front of a home crowd we have zero chance at other stadiums / hampden or even Euro games.
Lennon and Stubbs didn’t ever say that.
IMO, and only IMO of course, you need to be a bit delusional to not see that a reaction like that today doesn't negatively affect the players performance.
I totally understand the frustration as that was deplorable stuff today, utterly spineless and inept. But the toxic atmosphere likely contributed to the result.
I was embarrassed by it. Hecky has no way back now, that's for sure!
Nope, Allan wasn’t booked.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Horde
Kamberi has been better. SA is a gifted player in the right team but he was at a rank Dundee team doing zip for a while and had a good half season next to the greatest midfielder I’ve seen at hibs. Perspective is needed in regards to his performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
I’m more concerned about the team as a whole
Who’s blaming the crowd (lol) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
Just because a lot of Hibs ‘fans’ are hoping we fail doesn’t mean the terrible performances as their fault. Just making the point that some ‘supporters’ would rather hope things get worse than help make things better.
Seeing it on social media already - it’s one thing or the other ... people withdrawing their support till the manager is sacked. There’s always something keeping some Hibs fans from being Hibs fans (lol).
You're right. He should've been though and I've now edited the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
Our embarrassing crowd is still double what St Johnston and the likes have at the start of their games. Hibs have a very good support who are getting increasingly worried we’re about to head down the Fenlon/Butcher way again. No one is there to get on the players backs but we’re witnessing a dramatic fall in quality to what we had and what we should have given our resources and status. This is only heading one way and it’s NOT the crowds fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
Let’s be honest after the last 4-5 years of an upward curve it was going to end sometime.
Heckingbottom is getting it tight because of the previous good two managers we had. We now have inferior players and it is showing. Our defence is leaking goals, midfield is ponderous and we are relying on Kamberi to take all the weight up front. It really is not looking good. Even if we could be organised and well drilled we could grind out positive results. We are nowhere near even this.
If performances do not improve, never mind results, I doubt if our impatient and toxic support will give him until the end the year.
Not all his fault though. All these powder-puff and anonymous new signings are at the root of our problems, and this is down to our recruitment team,
If he goes, my choice would be Robinson at Motherwell. He has put together 2 or 3 well organised, attacking and positive teams at Fir Park. He knows the game up here and with the resources at Hibs would put us back on track,
Heckingbottom said it was the anxiousness, eminating from the stands. He is blaming the fans, he is out of his depthQuote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
Aw FFS nobody is saying it’s solely the crowds fault. That doesn’t mean certain things arent embarrassing or a lot of folk are hurting the club in some ways. Obviously a lot of people think abuse, booing, leaving early, not coming etc etc is the way to deal with hard times- fair enough, but other folk think different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Emerald
describing the Hibs support as embarrassing you should be embarrassed!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
Reading clowns like you one would think other supports stay in the ground for 90 + mins, never disagree with managers or criticise their teams’ performance with no negativity in the ground.
Christ, Happy Clapper Centre this is.
Let’s be honest after the last 4-5 years of an upward curve it was going to end sometime.
Heckingbottom is getting it tight because of the previous good two managers we had. We now have inferior players and it is showing. Our defence is leaking goals, midfield is ponderous and we are relying on Kamberi to take all the weight up front. It really is not looking good. Even if we could be organised and well drilled we could grind out positive results. We are nowhere near even this.
If performances do not improve, never mind results, I doubt if our impatient and toxic support will give him until the end the year.
Not all his fault though. All these powder-puff and anonymous new signings are at the root of our problems, and this is down to our recruitment team,
If he goes, my choice would be Robinson at Motherwell. He has put together 2 or 3 well organised, attacking and positive teams at Fir Park. He knows the game up here and with the resources at Hibs would put us back on track,
I get the impression he's a stubborn man. Taking Allan off was always going to be a controversial move. Possibly he likes being seen to be radical. It partly made sense on a tactical level, because Scott wasn't working out wide and our whole right side was a liability, Kennedy was having a field day. So moving to a sort of diamond shape with an extra midfielder made sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by madhatter
But it's possible to think that PH was tactically poor today and that the reaction to it was *****, at the same time. I don't know why that's so difficult to understand.
Also, booing a player coming onto a pitch is going to negatively affect his performance. Proven psychological fact. Recruiting supposed tough players who can take abuse and whose performance isn't affected by abuse is just dreamland. They don't exist.
The bit in bold. What nonsense. Who are all these Hibs fans "hoping we fail"? Just because some "fans" criticise the team, or the manager, does not mean they hope we fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
If that's true, then he should just sod off now.
That's a pathetic excuse for his own failures.
Well that was Heckingbottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
It’s chicken and egg... I think everyone realises that and that players need to be able to block it out. It’s still easier ... I’m guessing, to play better with a more supportive crowd.
We all want Hibs to do well aye?
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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
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There were loads round me today, and a few on here judging by the 'told you so' tone of their posts, who are getting satisfaction from 'being right all along'.Quote:
Originally Posted by emerald green
Our support is NOT impatient and toxic what a load of s h it e.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
When you look look at what our support has endured over the years, yes we have had three cup wins in the last 40 years or so but we have been let down MANY times by the club we love.
All the fans want is some consistency is that too Much to ask? We were promised a high pressing team with fitness levels they have never known - where is it????
If you choose to pick out a few posts on twitter to generalise you feelings about the support,then thats poor judgement imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
The same support that were integral to the club bouncing back from the dark days.special mention to the 1875boys by the way,who constantly kept the atmosphere positive while we rebuilt from poor management.
And look at how the club treat them now,stuck away in a corner.
A few questions need answering just now but the support have got behind the club in record numbers,and bought the merch.
You really need to look elsewhere for an excuse,as to why its at this point.
Its not exactly the best experience at easter road just now for many reasons,and not because we spending plenty on the team on the park,so the board can shed that old excuse!!
No, they just booed a sub when we were winning and have lost one game this season. Not impatient or toxic at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
It’s not generalising - I’ve said ‘some’. A lot of the fans were brilliant after we lost the first goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyrougier123
I have to be honest. I thought the atmosphere was a bit flat but not particularly nasty or negative until he took Allan off. You could see after 15 minutes it wasn't working.
There should have been one change when he went off and that was Horgan for Mallan with Allan moving in one.
After he took Doidge off the ball just wasn't sticking up front and it was almost all St Johnstone.
I have been all for giving him time and I still would but he will struggle if he keeps managing like he did today.
Are you seriously suggesting there were "loads" of Hibs supporters round you today hoping we would fail. i.e. lose the match? I doubt that's really the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
There were plenty around me expressing their displeasure (including myself) about the garbage they were witnessing, but I would say few if any were hoping Hibs would lose. I, and the folk that sit around me, I feel safe to say that they all want Hibs to do well. Never to fail.
No I follow them every week in the hope we are guff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
As Pretty Boy eloquently put it - the crowd were booing the decision to take off SA especially given he was being played out of position - they were NOT booing the subs coming on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
However, you twist it any way you want as there seems to be some agenda, maybe in support of Hecky’s comments, that labels the fans as poor (impatient and toxic).
Very poor from the fans that support that view in my opinion.
It’s the performances the fans are hating. We also got thumped by Rangers and needed extra time to beat Morton. Our midfield is shambolic and I don’t think our manager sees it. His excuse in his interview was anxiety from fans and a poor linesman. He looked a bit upset in his HibsTV interview but the worrying thing is he couldn’t answer the question what are you going to do to sort this for future. He responded with his normal fluff, no substance just like his team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
We’re patient but can someone tell me what direction our club are taking at the moment? Can someone tell me what style of football our manager is wanting to play? Last season was a poor season, let’s not forget as far as many fans are concerned we’ve had a poor season and have started this season poorly. Conceding 11 goals in 3 games is rotten.
I might be mental but I’d be a happier fan if we had lost today but had hit the bar 3 times, had 60% possession and 29 shots, had a recognisable playing style. We didn’t, St Johnstone played some football while we just aimlessly kicked the ball. Kamberi saved Hecky today from worse.
I suspect there's a few who have mixed emotions, they'd obviously prefer the team they support won, but they do get the satisfaction of screaming at the fall guy on the suit in the sidelines that they never liked from day one, and then boring all their mates in the pub about it afterwards. Everyone wants to be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by emerald green
People Blaming the crowd for us playing *****. Aye good one.
We played well for half an hour then turned to ****. Explain how thats the fans fault? Honestly the mentality of some folk to have any kind of dig at hibs fans on here is tiresome as ****. We are getting crowds of between 15-16k for league games. A few years ago we were getting 8k. The fans have done their bit and when there is a team on the park, man in the dugout and a general idea the fans can get behind and excites them then they do get behind the team. Even when they go through tough spells in games (see 2nd half of 17/18 season where the atmosphere and general feel around the club was brilliant).
Time for the team on the park to step up. Not the fans.
OK everyone who booed today do not go back and all will be fine. No more "toxic" atmosphere and we can then play the high pressing football we were told about and go on to finish in Euro position.
Sorted.
OK, but that's a bit different from "loads" hoping Hibs would "fail", i.e. lose the match. I agree everyone wants to be right, but that's never going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I saw something today that I don’t think I have ever seen before... lewy looked to have given up a few times.... unsupportive of Middleton throughout the game and definitely not fit enough yet due to his injury.
With gray getting injured and lewy not himself, there was little inspiration in the team today bar Kamberi.... who we cannot afford to let go now... or we are in a lot more bother than it looks now.
So we agree, the booing was because a sub was made. Totally rational and helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
There was a point in the first half where Lewis was limping badly, wondering if he was carrying a knock for the rest of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
He was also having to tell Middleton constantly where to go to help him out defensively
Not the problem or even close to it. PH and the starting 11 and 3 subs are the only factor in it all. They failed. Booing at a decision at a football match is not irrational in the context of footballQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Psychological research would disagree about it not affecting someone’s performance but what do they know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Trips
I wasn't particularly enjoying the game, and was surprised at the substitutions, but I was totally shocked at the number of people booing.
The players coming on must have thought they were being booed, which doesn't fill people with confidence.
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Originally Posted by Northernhibee
The booing was due to the sub being made yes and what a shocking decision it was (well a huge part of our support thought so anyway, myself included).
So the support is now being labelled as not rational or helpful, have you been to many football matches??????
What was the cause of their poor performance for 60mins? No booing had occurred, to my knowledge, until the subs and then it went downhill. However, the players were garbage from the first whistle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
I suspect discussions are ongoing regarding Heckys post tbh. A review of the recruitment team should happen as well, crazy how poor our recruitment has been since first year in championship. So many duds. High press and we recruit Newell, while also having Mallan in the middle, ok then...