Had no idea what Michael Stewart was blethering on about there
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Had no idea what Michael Stewart was blethering on about there
Dundee look woeful
We should stick 3 past this lot next week
Definitely was a foul on the Motherwell goalie at the Hearts goal.
They’ve just said Kenny Miller’s was worthy of a straight red and Ikpeazu’s wasn’t ��
Our pitch looks majestic
I have no idea what MS was saying earlier when discussing the Hearts challengeQuote:
Originally Posted by Winston Ingram
How can one be a red and another isn't?
He's talking pish
Whittaker’s contribution to both Kilmarnock goals.[emoji35]
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What about Horgan and Stevenson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Far too easy
Now saying ours was not a pen, and theirs was????Quote:
Originally Posted by cleanyman
Did Killie win that game?
Yet folk were telling us he was good 1st half and had nothing to do with both their goals...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As I said yesterday Stevenson and Horgan have a lot to answer for but our midfield need to do more also. We struggle to wind second balls and it's becoming far too easy for teams to play through the centre of the park.
Doesn’t fit the “boo boy” agenda that ..some people only want to focus on Whittaker...Quote:
Originally Posted by cleanyman
He was good. He was the only midfielder taking anything like the amount of responsibility needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMac1988
Steven Thompson is a moron.
That's fair. Again I did mention yesterday that he was at least making an effort. He's just miles off the pace. Hyndman for me he was the worst player on the park and I've already mentioned that I expect more from Mallan when we don't have the ball. Perhaps hyper critical but we need to nip these goals from nothing in the bud whomever the blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Ignoring the negative aspects our forward play was really good. Movement and passing is much more clinical and the decision making of our players in regards to making the right pass etc. is a joy to watch.
Other more at fault particularly Lewis and Efe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
you are getting boring now, stevenson is more to blame for letting his player get past and get the cross in than whittaker, but that wont suit though will itQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It was Horgan was it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
Not so sure about Stevenson but Horgan sleeping at the first as the boy sneaks by him and Efe could do better. Stevenson also did little wrong at the second. Got caught wrong side but recovered. Whittaker gets done by Stewart’s first touch. (Which was excellent). The finish was great.Quote:
Originally Posted by cleanyman
thought it was stevenson who let him go, i havent seen the highlights yet thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Blaster
just seen the highlights and yip was horgan, but we will blame whittaker anyway
Horgan lost his man after a simple one two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster
Horgan and Stevenson just didn't seem to get it right yesterday. Neither were very sure of who was covering who and where they should be.
Who is the new commentator
I’m not claiming he was solely responsible, others are at fault but that kind of passive marking is what Whittaker does all game and it costs us regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
People giving him man of the match when he does that bemuses me.
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so by only naming whittaker in your post you werent just blaming him? i get it nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Shhhhhhhh 🤫 you're not allowed to criticise wee Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by cleanyman
Whilst (Central midfielder) Whittaker should've done better there's no doubt the two wide left Hibs players were posted missing for both Killie goals.
Spot on, Horgan sleeping and efe should try chuck himself in front of the coming shotQuote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
I am focusing on a particular aspect of whittakers play. I don’t think he’s good enough to play for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
The minute I think the same of Horgan or Stevenson, I’ll say it.
Do you really believe I have something personal against Whittaker? I’ve never even met him but I’m sure he’s a really nice bloke.
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Did you listen to all of what he said? You’ve picked a few words and put them together to make your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Originally Posted by allant1981
Stevenson let him go as Horgan was behind him and it was his man to pick up
I don’t think it’s a personal thing I just think you’re that convinced you’re correct that you’re blinding yourself to “prove” your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I’ve read you saying you’re a coach yet all you can see are negatives and you can only focus on the contribution of one player - the one that you’ve made your mind up on. God help any laddie in your team that had (or you thought had) a bad game once - he’s no chance of turning your opinion of him round.
Definitely not a pen for us, Whittaker got turned too easily for the 1st and was slow to react for the 2nd, Efe fouled near the end for a penalty to Killie. Too many individual errors still, got a wee bit lucky with the refs decisions by the looks of it.
I’m not sure where Stevenson was? I think for both goals the attack came down that side but he’s gone infield somewhere? Was he man marking someone or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster
Not really a criticism of him as these things happen, I never saw the highlights of the goals so it may be something obvious I missed at the time however it appeared to be a notable tactic of Killie.
Efe’s ‘tackle’ should have been a penalty. Too laid back as usual. Hopefully big Daz gets back to full match fitness soon. Glad to see Porteous getting starts though
O’Donnell and Burke are both good players and were working Stevenson and Horgan hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
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Just seen the highlights on my phone as I wasn't there yesterday due to being on holiday. How Ambrose's challenge didn't result in a penalty is astonishing.
Great free kick from Mallan and header from Gray. Penalty was very clinical from Kamberi.
Their first goal was poor from us defensively. Their second was a good strike.
Kids football and professional football are completely different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
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Objectivity or judgement (or lack of) isn’t though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Should Whittaker have done better at both those goals yesterday? Yes or no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
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Not seen them back yet. At the game I thought we were struggling down the left hand side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Will say when I watch the rest of sport scene but I reckon I’m likely to see more than one player “culpable”.
A lot of folk now jumping on people who criticise whittakers performances , some calling them boo boys ...
At the end of the day if folk think his performances in the centre of midfield are okay then i would question their knowledge of the game.
He was okay in possession for about half an hour in the first half yesterday but generally he takes an age to set his body when taking possession, if pressed then he loses possession.. , and the rest was rubbish. He is so far off his man at times its unreal, he takes about a week to react to second ball and his general reading of play defensively is horrendous. I personally think he is a liability playing there and we will lose goals as a result.
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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
Im pretty sure it was the 2nd goal that i thought Lewis stevenson should have shielded the ball out of play for a goal kick but instead he opted to hook it back into play , not watched it on telly so not sure if im being harsh , but that was how i saw it at the time
stevenson and horgan should have done better, whittaker got turned about 20 seconds before the goalQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Neil Lennon said he thought Whittaker had a good game. Are you questioning his knowledge of the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
I don’t think Whittaker should be starting in the middle of the park and hope Milligan comes in and takes that position.
What annoys me is that he seems to be getting treated completely differently by an element of our support. Doesn’t really matter what is posted on here but I think it’s noticeable at games in terms of the reaction towards anything negative he does. You hear people moaning about him before a ball is even kicked and they are just waitig for that first mistake to jump on thereafter.
his performance yesterday was ok, and ive watched and played football to a relatively high standard so my knowledge of the game is fine thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
Exactly doesn't fit the boo boy culture mate...what about Efe daydreaming at the 1st goal...made it so easy for Brophy...not to mention the role both Horgan and Lewy playedQuote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
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Yeah but surely we are judging him on his performances so far this season not just yesterday. He isnt good enough in the position he is being played , he has had quite a few poor performances so farQuote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
Totally agree, fully compliant as well. I have a working background in fine turf sport pitches and it looks superb 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by cleanyman
To say stevenson doesnt fit a boo boy culture is just ridiculous. He used to get a fair bit of stick not so long ago. Some of it justified and a lot of it over the top. His game has improved massively from then and he consistently performs , so it would be ridiculous to jump on him for having an off day. Whittaker had been poor in most of his games with a couple of games he had done okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
Can i just add that I totally disagree with anybody dishing out stick or abuse at the games , they are just wallopers..
Are you Lee WallaceQuote:
Originally Posted by bodhibs
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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I ll say again , you are referring to one game yesterday but what about the other games he has played? Regarding lennons comments , Id question his man management if he came out and criticised him in the media.
No lol, but I know a geekish amount about grass, both recreational and also what makes a decent surfaceQuote:
Originally Posted by WoreTheGreen
He’s not the current “boo boy” target though is he? Whittaker is..Any of his errors are being picked up and disproportionately commented on - on here and during games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
People are reacting because some are isolating Whittaker for criticism when actually, during the first half, he was largely left isolated in the holding midfield role, as his midfield colleagues were not tracking their runners..
Nobody minds constructive criticism, and no one is saying he is perfect - just that he was not the main person at fault. For example: People started by finding fault at his contribution, yet Horgan who let his man run passed him and get the assist in wasn’t being mentioned by them.. that’s why some people are defending him
Overall he had a decent game yesterday - that’s not my view - that’s Neil Lennon’s..I’ll take his opinion on it .
:aok: spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
He keeps playing him so I don’t think he’s singling him out just to be nice. He obviously thinks he’s doing all right. Which would leave you having to question his knowledge of the game based on your previous post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
FWIW he wouldn’t be in my team. But it doesn’t mean others, like Lennon, don’t have any knowledge of the game if they think he is doing all right.
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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Or he is playing him there because he doesn’t have anybody else until milligan and bartley are match fit?
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Originally Posted by bigwheel
Are you happy with whittakers performances overall this season?
Their penalty shout was a stonewaller. Ours less clear cut but the right decision.
He’s regularly played in front of Bartley plenty of times when he’s fit, even going back to a number of big games at the end of last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
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Originally Posted by Leith Green
that's not really what we are discussing.
But to answer - he had a poor start - I did note though during those games that he was often playing in positions that were not his preferred (left side of a 3 in one game)..Since he came on away in Greece (where he did well by the way)..he has done OK. He was decent yesterday and also did well against Aberdeen. He's not going to be a first pick is he? When Milligan gets up to speed. But he will do a decent shift and get enough game time over the season.
Yeah but the point being that he cant drop him cos he hasnt had anyone to bring inQuote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
There are other midfielders sitting on the bench. If Lennon really thought he was as bad as some on here do he wouldn’t be in the team. And he certainly wouldn’t be singling him out for praise after a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
I agree with what your saying. I just think its harsh labelling his critics as boo boys. From what ive saw his performances have merited criticism. I ll say again , folk dishing out abuse at games are clowns. People who criticise his performances arent and it doesnt make them boo boysQuote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
We dont have any defensive midfielders though do weQuote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
We’ve largely played with 3 at the back so could easily have played without a holding midfielder if we’d wanted to. Lennon has shown plenty times that he’ll play Whittaker through choice rather than nesessity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
I'm sure big Efe could do a job in there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
Fair enough, but at games, and on here, any mistake he is making is getting moaned at or criticised more than others. He is currently the one being "picked on"more than others. That to me is "boo boy" behaviour. Constructive criticism is interesting and fair game..when it is unfair, it is reasonable to call it out too..Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
Spot on mate well saidSent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkQuote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
We got lucky yesterday, of that there's no dispute, but come Monday morning each of the players will be handed some footage (is it a memory stick these days?) showing their own performance, which they will then go over and work on how to cut out their errors.
Obviously I'll take the three points but I'd rather it didn't depend on Maclaren cutely sticking his foot where it shouldn't have been.
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Originally Posted by The Pointer
Why should his feet not have been there?
Spot on. It’s pathetic from a section of our support at the moment. Clowns behind me yesterday were desperate for him to make a mistake yet were absolutely silent anytime he made a good pass or did anything positive [emoji42]Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
We got lucky yesterday but evend out by them getting lucky at Rugby Park last season.I didn't hear there manager complaining thenQuote:
Originally Posted by The Pointer
[QUOTE=The Pointer;5552056]We got lucky yesterday, of that there's no dispute, but come Monday morning each of the players will be handed some footage (is it a memory stick these days?) showing their own performance, which they will then go over and work on how to cut out their errors.
Obviously I'll take the three points but I'd rather it didn't depend on Maclaren cutely sticking his foot where it shouldn't have been
broadfoot swiped the back leg away from McLaren...FACT etc
Were we lucky?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pointer
McLaren did what he was on there to do. We edged a close game against a good side by 1 goal.
It was hardly daylight robbery.
Lennon used what he had available effectively.
I thought Efe finally managed to get through a game without a calamitous **** up. After watching the highlights, he literally just let Brophy have a free shot for the 1st and then got away with a trademark brain fart challenge on Broadfoot at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by IncredibleHibee
Not so sure. "Caught him on the ankle" but Broadfoot went down holding his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
If he caught him on the ankle and he went down holding his baws it is still a penalty:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Yup once again 2 calamitous errors...lucky for him his names not Steven Whittaker so a section of our support could start booing him when he gets subbed. Efe makes these mistakes on a weekly basis and it's really got to stop...Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Ingram
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I just watched the highlights on tv .. He just lets their guy score the first unchallenged. Poor defending from him , his challange on Broadfoot was poor as well. He has been ropey so far this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
Indeed, but the fact he was holding his head made me wonder whether he really was caught on the ankle, or just decided he wanted his team to have a penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
He sure has mate...the cynic in me us saying he wanted away and is gutted it never happened before the window closed. I'm pretty certain he will be away in Jan but let's hope he finds some form before then. Couldn't believe what I read on match day thread on Sat - some saying he strolled the game??Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
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Theres several players getting slaughtered by the boo boys and hibs.net analysts . Hyndman , Slivka , Ambrose , Swanson before he left . Even Mallan our top scorer has attracted a few cracking comments about going missing etc on here .Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Did not think Potter was looking well when interviewed.
Get well soon Craig
I think that is why Celtic let him go in the first place, he always has had the errors in him, but at Celtic the could afford it, as their strikers always baled them out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Ingram
Unfortunately, at Hibernian we need solid defenders who cut mistakes to a minimum, and not make them in every game!
He is a great player on form, but when he makes a mistake it usually ends up a tragedy, as his kick at Broadfoot nearly proved!!!
Noticed during the St Johnstone v Aberdeen game, that all the Dons fans were in the Ormond Stand, rather than the opposite stand that we got where the new road is.
Burst pipes at the usual end. Heard it on the radio on Saturday morningQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
In all the discussion about the validity of the hearts goal I was a little surprised there no mention of the contact made by Naismith on the Motherwell keeper as he took the ball round him to score.
What always irritates me about Sportscene is the 'commentary' dubbed on after the match. Why not just have a voiceover summarising the action like they used to do?
If the Hearts goal was HIBS I would be shouting for it. The big centreforward goes in hard in a 50/50 on the goalie and Naismith walks round the goalie 1-0
Anyone not surprised no discussion over Rangers appearing to get a penalty when tackle outside the box. On another thing the frankly incredible situation of one of the major clubs being able to ban one of the main broadcasters for football in Scotland for both radio and tv without any sort of admonishment is shameful.
Agree wasnt obvious on first showing but very clear foul when slowed down.Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
The BBC are boycotting Ibrox due to Rangers banning one of their journalists. Good on them for sticking up for their people.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Ok didnt realise that thought it was the other way round. They still show live games from Ibrox in the cups dont they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
Don’t think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Amazes me how the dubbed over commentary is still awfull even when they know whats comingQuote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
It's not the lack of challenge it's letting the guy in front of him far too easily. Schoolboy stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leith Green
I'd have him out of the side as soon as Mcgregor's fit again. Get us some clean sheets under our belts and then maybe we can build more from there.
Could be a case for striker being out of control in the tackle. You don't injure the keeper if it's a fair challengeQuote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
Are hibs in capitals because we're from it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
Be interesting to see that incident close up and in slow motion.. it all happens so fast it's hard to tell if it is or not.
Dunno every time I type HIBS it goes in caps.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexterStJock
See what I mean?
Stephen Robinson the Motherwell Manager does not blame Bobby Madden for awarding the goal source: Daily Ranger.
So must be a goal
OK it is recorded as a goal
Over zealous challenge by Hearts number 9 went in hard on goalie done his ligaments but if I was a Motherwell fan looking for blame look at the pass back hoaspital ba!
Accept that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875
The guy is a handful and was entitled to go for that ball.
The passback caused the problem
Players get injured in 50/50 challenges every week that don’t result in foulsQuote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875