(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by beensaidbefore

Possibly. But surely not everyone who voted for brexit?

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Of course not. I was being flippant but Ukip is undoubtedly full of undesirable BNP type elements and there's also no doubt in my mind the brexit vote was won by a huge bunch of extreme right wing little englanders exploiting fears of immigration and stoking up undeserved resentment towards the EU.

Glory Glory

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Originally Posted by northstandhibby

Of course not. I was being flippant but Ukip is undoubtedly full of undesirable BNP type elements and there's also no doubt in my mind the brexit vote was won by a huge bunch of extreme right wing little englanders exploiting fears of immigration and stoking up undeserved resentment towards the EU.

Glory Glory

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I suppose, but when does a huge bunch become a valid number? The way things are at the moment it seems the bunch is getting bigger.

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

I dare say the folk who voted for Trump are mostly folk who see themselves as disaffected voters and buy into his anti 'political' establishment rhetoric ...... What worries me is how many of them will buy into his frenzied attack on the US media. Its one thing to attack reporting and press articles if you can back up that attack with hard evidence and prove that what was reported is either at best inaccurate, at worst a downright lie.

But Trump is not doing that, he has immediately launched an offensive against the whole of the media and is trying to establish a climate in the USA where nothing they say will be accepted as the truth by his supporters, no matter how truthful it is. The spat over how big the crowd was at his inauguration being a case in point ...... there is a raft of evidence to show that his turn out was considerably smaller than Obama's and given the circumstances, IE .. that Obama was America's first black president, there should be no surprise or embarrassment for Trump attached to that. But instead of shrugging his shoulders and giving it a 'so what' he has tried to say that the press and TV have for some reason lied about that ... it was astonishing watching his press aid nearly having an aneurism as he ranted at and harangued the open mouthed White House press corps.

A man with an ego that can be so easily bruised and who is trying to turn everybody against the last bastion available to 'the people' when all else fails ...... a free press .... cant be good for democracy. How long before he is able to deflect criticism or the genuine uncovering of incompetence or nefarious goings on just by tweeting ..... 'fake news' .... and what's his next move after that, new laws to gag the press and media by the back door, journalists being arrested for breaking his 'fake news' legislation?

He is very clever though I'll give him that. Its easy to rant on about the career politicians in the "Washington swamp" and exaggerate the state they have made of the current US economy and of course blame them for the economic failings of the past decade or so ..... what people seem to forget and something Trump and his ilk love to see forgotten or ignored is that yes politicians were to blame, but only in so much as they failed to curb the excesses of people just like him whose unfettered and unchecked greed was the real reason the worlds economy went tits up.

Its really hard to understand why people who vote for the likes of Trump and Farage in the UK with their so called populist politics seem utterly blind to the fact that far from being the solution to the problem they were the folk who caused it in the first place ..... No doubt some folk will benefit from Trump being president, but if you ask me a hell of a lot more than that wont.

The Americans love to boast that in their country 'anybody can make it if they work hard enough or have talent' ..... but I've always thought that the downside and unspoken opposite of that is an attitude that bubbles under the surface of 'if you cant make it and are unable to work hard enough or just plain unlucky then hell mend you' ........ The likes of Trump and the people he is surrounding himself with will I fear ramp that up 100% and the 'land of the free' inhabited by the ill educated, unwell, disabled and disadvantaged will be a bloody miserable place to exist.

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A free press? You think the press is free whilst the bulk of it is owned by a few powerful corporations?

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On the positive side.

There might be a number of countries in the the world that will be happy if Trump tries to put America first and leaves them alone.

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Originally Posted by GreenLake

A free press? You think the press is free whilst the bulk of it is owned by a few powerful corporations?

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On the positive side.

There might be a number of countries in the the world that will be happy if Trump tries to put America first and leaves them alone.

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The definition of a free press is a press that can say what it wants unfettered by government interference no matter the subject matter ...... Who owns it and their input into its political stance is a different matter, as we all know the right wing press dominates the landscape in the UK because most of the papers are owned by right wing publishers and no doubt the press in the US works the same way with the political outlook of whoever owns it bye and large determining its editorial policy.

None of that prevents anybody with the money or the will to do it setting up a newspaper or other media outlet that can set out the opposite political viewpoint ....... the founding of the 'The National' in Scotland as a direct response to the overwhelming siding of the main papers with the unionist side being a classic example.

When governments start painting all of the news media as liars and 'fake news' pedlars and telling people that the only thing that can be believed is what they say and their spouting of 'alternative truths' on twitter .... that's when they start making inroads into the freedom of the press.

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

The definition of a free press is a press that can say what it wants unfettered by government interference no matter the subject matter ...... Who owns it and their input into its political stance is a different matter, as we all know the right wing press dominates the landscape in the UK because most of the papers are owned by right wing publishers and no doubt the press in the US works the same way with the political outlook of whoever owns it bye and large determining its editorial policy.

None of that prevents anybody with the money or the will to do it setting up a newspaper or other media outlet that can set out the opposite political viewpoint ....... the founding of the 'The National' in Scotland as a direct response to the overwhelming siding of the main papers with the unionist side being a classic example.

When governments start painting all of the news media as liars and 'fake news' pedlars and telling people that the only thing that can be believed is what they say and their spouting of 'alternative truths' on twitter .... that's when they start making inroads into the freedom of the press.

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Trump and the Media deserve each other.

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

my uncle lives in england and he voted for ukip , he is neither narrow minded or a twat . he voted for them because he felt he had no choice .

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

he was a lifelong labour voter just like my mother and grandparents and he felt the labour party no longer represented him . he would never vote tory and he would never vote liberal so his options as he saw them were either vote ukip or dont vote at all

i dont agree with his choice but respect his right to make that choice

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You've listed 5 seperate choices ???

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

I dare say the folk who voted for Trump are mostly folk who see themselves as disaffected voters and buy into his anti 'political' establishment rhetoric ...... What worries me is how many of them will buy into his frenzied attack on the US media. Its one thing to attack reporting and press articles if you can back up that attack with hard evidence and prove that what was reported is either at best inaccurate, at worst a downright lie.

But Trump is not doing that, he has immediately launched an offensive against the whole of the media and is trying to establish a climate in the USA where nothing they say will be accepted as the truth by his supporters, no matter how truthful it is. The spat over how big the crowd was at his inauguration being a case in point ...... there is a raft of evidence to show that his turn out was considerably smaller than Obama's and given the circumstances, IE .. that Obama was America's first black president, there should be no surprise or embarrassment for Trump attached to that. But instead of shrugging his shoulders and giving it a 'so what' he has tried to say that the press and TV have for some reason lied about that ... it was astonishing watching his press aid nearly having an aneurism as he ranted at and harangued the open mouthed White House press corps.

A man with an ego that can be so easily bruised and who is trying to turn everybody against the last bastion available to 'the people' when all else fails ...... a free press .... cant be good for democracy. How long before he is able to deflect criticism or the genuine uncovering of incompetence or nefarious goings on just by tweeting ..... 'fake news' .... and what's his next move after that, new laws to gag the press and media by the back door, journalists being arrested for breaking his 'fake news' legislation?

He is very clever though I'll give him that. Its easy to rant on about the career politicians in the "Washington swamp" and exaggerate the state they have made of the current US economy and of course blame them for the economic failings of the past decade or so ..... what people seem to forget and something Trump and his ilk love to see forgotten or ignored is that yes politicians were to blame, but only in so much as they failed to curb the excesses of people just like him whose unfettered and unchecked greed was the real reason the worlds economy went tits up.

Its really hard to understand why people who vote for the likes of Trump and Farage in the UK with their so called populist politics seem utterly blind to the fact that far from being the solution to the problem they were the folk who caused it in the first place ..... No doubt some folk will benefit from Trump being president, but if you ask me a hell of a lot more than that wont.

The Americans love to boast that in their country 'anybody can make it if they work hard enough or have talent' ..... but I've always thought that the downside and unspoken opposite of that is an attitude that bubbles under the surface of 'if you cant make it and are unable to work hard enough or just plain unlucky then hell mend you' ........ The likes of Trump and the people he is surrounding himself with will I fear ramp that up 100% and the 'land of the free' inhabited by the ill educated, unwell, disabled and disadvantaged will be a bloody miserable place to exist.

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:top marks:applause: Terrific post

The story so far...

To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And most recently: the wall and a ban on Muslims entering from a large number of countries and the end to accepting Syrian refugees.


A busy man.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

The story so far...

To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And most recently: the wall and a ban on Muslims entering from a large number of countries and the end to accepting Syrian refugees.


A busy man.

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****ing mental. Can I copy/paste and use elswhere please?

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

The story so far...

To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And most recently: the wall and a ban on Muslims entering from a large number of countries and the end to accepting Syrian refugees.


A busy man.

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That's frightening.

It must be easy to follow through on electoral promises when you actually do no give a single **** about the world around you. Trumps ego, thin skin and inpulsiveness make him a very, very dangerous man.

I see he's reneged on his promise to release his tax returns once the audit was complete. He now says they will never see the light of day. :hmmm:

And he's STILL pushing the lie, with no evidence at all, that millions voted illegally, and is now promising an investigation. He isn't playing with a full deck.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

****ing mental. Can I copy/paste and use elswhere please?

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Of course :aok: I'm sure it will be getting added to as the days go on. Building A Fascist State- A Beginners Guide.

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

I see he's reneged on his promise to release his tax returns once the audit was complete. He now says they will never see the light of day. :hmmm:

And he's STILL pushing the lie, with no evidence at all, that millions voted illegally, and is now promising an investigation. He isn't playing with a full deck.

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Don't worry, our PM will head over, talk him straight and then we'll "lead, together, again"... whatever the fk that means.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

Don't worry, our PM will head over, talk him straight and then we'll "lead, together, again"... whatever the fk that means.

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It means roughly the same as 'Brexit means Brexit' ie 'I don't have a ****ing clue what I'm doing'.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

It means roughly the same as 'Brexit means Brexit' ie 'I don't have a ****ing clue what I'm doing'.

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Brilliant post :faf: LOL

Sums it up perfectly.

Keep waiting for May to crumble at one of her stage managed soundbite sessions and admit she hasn't a clue and can we all be very nice to her instead of asking important difficult questions about brexit as they UK will be up keech creek without a paddlle.

Glory Glory

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Of course :aok: I'm sure it will be getting added to as the days go on. Building A Fascist State- A Beginners Guide.

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That is beyond mental. Is there a site where someone is compiling everything he does and is that where your list came from? Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

I see he's reneged on his promise to release his tax returns once the audit was complete. He now says they will never see the light of day. :hmmm:

And he's STILL pushing the lie, with no evidence at all, that millions voted illegally, and is now promising an investigation. He isn't playing with a full deck.

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It's troo, but.

He got it from Bernhard Langer.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7546606.html

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

The story so far...

To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And most recently: the wall and a ban on Muslims entering from a large number of countries and the end to accepting Syrian refugees.


A busy man.

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On January 25th he fired the entire Senior Management team from the State Department. Well, they resigned en-masse but resign is code for "you're fired" at that level.

The lastest plan is to publish a weekly list of crimes commited by immigrants.

I wonder if the native American people will be asked to contribute? It could take a while.....

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When they define immigrants, how far back are they going?

:greengrin

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The lastest plan is to publish a weekly list of crimes commited by immigrants.

I wonder if the native American people will be asked to contribute? It could take a while.....

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Think they are going to be too busy fending off another 'Conquista' from God's own people!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...peline-protest

http://mashable.com/2016/12/11/trump.../#0C_m5BThMmqd

He's after us now!

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That is beyond mental. Is there a site where someone is compiling everything he does and is that where your list came from? Cheers.

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Its currently doing the rounds on Facebook, I'm not sure of the source. The Guardian is doing a 'first 100 days' page that will update daily on all the mad **** going down. Even if he grabs Theresa by the blue waffle tomorrow..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-daily-updates

http://www.newstatesman.com/world/20...ast-seven-days

As deplorable as Trump is, I can't help but feel like there is a jamboish like denial about how utterly horrific the clowns were that ruled before him. Change won't come till we know how we got to where we are and it wasn't through good leadership, good journalism or collective knowledge of what was really going on. The clowns that ran things, the presstitutes who call themselves journalists and the intellectuals who negligently let them carry on without so much as a whimper of protest are why Trump and others like him are being elected.

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Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

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This.

Conservatives and New Labour should consider this when they reflect on their position in Scotland.

I never really understood the 'it's all you tolerant people's fault for not being more intolerant that those other intolerant people win elections' argument, but...

Whatever floats your boat.

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Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

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It shouldn't have passed you by that a large amount did vote brexit because they are indeed narrow minded and little englanders who still live in the imperialist past of rule britannia. Seriously a heck of a lot of them were what you describe. However I totally get your point of the Islington elite and if there had been a decent opposition to brexit it would never have happened.

Glory Glory

The Trump May press conference was a laugh. Q-What do you two have in common? A-May-'we both have a desire to put the needs of ordinary working people front and centre.'

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My jaw hit the deck at that point.

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The Trump May press conference was a laugh. Q-What do you two have in common? A-May-'we both have a desire to put the needs of ordinary working people front and centre.'

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She probably believes that herself.

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I don't think so. She knows trickle down economics is fantasy.

The other classic was on NATO, where she got Trump to nod his agreement that he was 'committed to NATO' but then said she would be persuading 'other European partners to spend 2% of their GDP on defence, so the burden of defence could be more fairly distributed '. :faf:

What right has she got to make these public demands on other nations? How would she react if the French said the UK should spend more on our health service, (maybe up to French levels of %of GDP), to reverse the crisis in A&E wards? Pure arrogance. But clearly just doing Trumps bidding.

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I don't think so. She knows trickle down economics is fantasy.

The other classic was on NATO, where she got Trump to nod his agreement that he was 'committed to NATO' but then said she would be persuading 'other European partners to spend 2% of their GDP on defence, so the burden of defence could be more fairly distributed '. :faf:

What right has she got to make these public demands on other nations? How would she react if the French said the UK should spend more on our health service, (maybe up to French levels of %of GDP), to reverse the crisis in A&E wards? Pure arrogance. But clearly just doing Trumps bidding.

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The 2% is a condition of membership so she would be reiterating what has already been agreed. I am sure that we make it but only by including pension payments among other things.

Whether anything will change is questionable though.


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The 2% is a condition of membership so she would be reiterating what has already been agreed. I am sure that we make it but only by including pension payments among other things.

Whether anything will change is questionable though.


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That's true of course, but raising the subject is only designed to divide.

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Or maybe just maybe she was telling it how it is...want to be a member of NATO then you need to pull your weight? Doesn't seem to be the most outrageous of comments, especially when you look at the rather large disparity amongst the nations.

Whether the 2% goal actually means anything is another question all together of course..[emoji33]

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I don't think so. She knows trickle down economics is fantasy.

The other classic was on NATO, where she got Trump to nod his agreement that he was 'committed to NATO' but then said she would be persuading 'other European partners to spend 2% of their GDP on defence, so the burden of defence could be more fairly distributed '. :faf:

What right has she got to make these public demands on other nations? How would she react if the French said the UK should spend more on our health service, (maybe up to French levels of %of GDP), to reverse the crisis in A&E wards? Pure arrogance. But clearly just doing Trumps bidding.

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I have to reluctantly give her credit here, I thought she got this right. If we are in NATO, and an Independent Scotland will be, we have to pay the membership fee.

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I have to reluctantly give her credit here, I thought she got this right. If we are in NATO, and an Independent Scotland will be, we have to pay the membership fee.

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I understand the concept of collective responsibility. It's generally a good thing. But she's standing next to a man who is planning to tear up a host of agreements that represent post WW2 commonly understood norms about human rights, environmental protection and equality of opportunity. Its historically unprecedented isolationism.

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I understand the concept of collective responsibility. It's generally a good thing. But she's standing next to a man who is planning to tear up a host of agreements that represent post WW2 commonly understood norms about human rights, environmental protection and equality of opportunity. Its historically unprecedented isolationism.

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Trump is a troglodyte caveman straight out of the stone age. An arrogant mysogynistic oaf who thinks if he didn't make it up or invent it it's not worth bothering about. A dangerous BNP type maniac who very unfortunately is in charge of one of the world's greatest powers.

You couldn't make it up.

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I understand the concept of collective responsibility. It's generally a good thing. But she's standing next to a man who is planning to tear up a host of agreements that represent post WW2 commonly understood norms about human rights, environmental protection and equality of opportunity. Its historically unprecedented isolationism.

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It's worrying, but I don't think it's historically unprecedented. America has spent the vast majority of its history being isolationist. The down side for Trump is that they only became a super power by abandoning that policy.

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Trump is a troglodyte caveman straight out of the stone age. An arrogant mysogynistic oaf who thinks if he didn't make it up or invent it it's not worth bothering about. A dangerous BNP type maniac who very unfortunately is in charge of one of the world's greatest powers.

You couldn't make it up.

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I didn't particularly want Trump (or Brexit) and I don't particularly like Trump as a person. However, I don't think diminishing him adds any clarity to the current situation.

I can see some positives from his approach which is very direct and gets results far more quickly than the naval staring, risk averse, self-serving approach which characterises the public sector in the west. I find that refreshing and I hope it shakes up the public sector generally.

I also think replacing out current free trade arrangements with the EU by a free trade arrangement with the US could work well and be really interesting for us as a country. I would hope that it opens up a greater exchange between us.

Neither of last years election/referendum result where what I would have chosen but we are where we are and that's democracy but I think we owe it to ourselves to make it work for our benefit as best we can and, if we do that right they may turn out for the best after all. Maybe.

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I understand the concept of collective responsibility. It's generally a good thing. But she's standing next to a man who is planning to tear up a host of agreements that represent post WW2 commonly understood norms about human rights, environmental protection and equality of opportunity. Its historically unprecedented isolationism.

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It was a strange exchange, it's very odd how she talked for him. I think he was supposed to mention his 100% commitment to NATO and had 'forgotten'. It will be interesting to see if still has 100% commitment to NATO in a few months time. Or given his actions so far, even in a few days.

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I didn't particularly want Trump (or Brexit) and I don't particularly like Trump as a person. However, I don't think diminishing him adds any clarity to the current situation.

I can see some positives from his approach which is very direct and gets results far more quickly than the naval staring, risk averse, self-serving approach which characterises the public sector in the west. I find that refreshing and I hope it shakes up the public sector generally.

I also think replacing out current free trade arrangements with the EU by a free trade arrangement with the US could work well and be really interesting for us as a country. I would hope that it opens up a greater exchange between us.

Neither of last years election/referendum result where what I would have chosen but we are where we are and that's democracy but I think we owe it to ourselves to make it work for our benefit as best we can and, if we do that right they may turn out for the best after all. Maybe.

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Having a British Prime Minister standing next to a man expressing his support for torture diminishes us all. The prospect of a hard Brexit (and May had no choice but to go down that route) has left us having to grovel to anybody who will listen to us in order to secure replacement free trade agreements.
Donald Trump is a democratically elected fascist. I find that far from refreshing.

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Having a British Prime Minister standing next to a man expressing his support for torture diminishes us all. The prospect of a hard Brexit (and May had no choice but to go down that route) has left us having to grovel to anybody who will listen to us in order to secure replacement free trade agreements.
Donald Trump is a democratically elected fascist. I find that far from refreshing.

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What's do you propose she does?

May backed remain too. The British people backed Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...urkeys-erdogan

"Fighter jets and predator drones"

Jesus wept.

Is there literally nothing that will pierce the armour of self-delusion? Arming dictators, flattering extremists - being outside the EU will be whoring ourselves to anyone that wants to buy the tools for killing.

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What's do you propose she does?

May backed remain too. The British people backed Brexit.

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May backed nothing, she deliberately kept a low profile so she could count on both wings of the Tory party if the vote triggered a leadership contest. Forget taking a principled stand to back something she believed was better for the country, blind ambition came first.
She could have waited to see just what a Donald Trump presidency looked like before rushing over to bask in the glow of his 'stunning' victory then inviting him for a state visit. Hours after she left he is going as far as he can to enforce a complete ban on Muslims entering the United States and is washing his hands of the plight of genuine refugees and she is off grovelling to Turkey to enter in to an arms deal with us. She will go down in history as one of the most incompetent PM's the UK has ever had. Hopefully she will also be the last PM the UK as we know it has.

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May backed nothing, she deliberately kept a low profile so she could count on both wings of the Tory party if the vote triggered a leadership contest. Forget taking a principled stand to back something she believed was better for the country, blind ambition came first.
She could have waited to see just what a Donald Trump presidency looked like before rushing over to bask in the glow of his 'stunning' victory then inviting him for a state visit. Hours after she left he is going as far as he can to enforce a complete ban on Muslims entering the United States and is washing his hands of the plight of genuine refugees and she is off grovelling to Turkey to enter in to an arms deal with us. She will go down in history as one of the most incompetent PM's the UK has ever had. Hopefully she will also be the last PM the UK as we know it has.

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100% agree with the last sentence. Beyond disgusting. :agree:

The sight of May and Trump leaving their meeting hand in hand was sickening. Dangerous times ahead I fear.

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What's do you propose she does?

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Brexit has deeply divided the British people. Scotland voted to remain in the EU and therefore has every right to be vexed at being ripped out of it as we as a country are more in line with the common good, civil rights/human rights, tolerance/respect and decency the EU has at its core.

A hard Brexit will undoubtedly break up the UK and Ukip and the Tories will have no-one to blame but themselves albeit if Labour had actually been an opposition it would not have happened.

Glory Glory

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Brexit has deeply divided the British people. Scotland voted to remain in the EU and therefore has every right be vexed at being ripped out of it as we as a country are more in line with the common good, civil rights/human rights, tolerance/respect and decency the EU has at its core.

A hard Brexit will undoubtedly break up the UK and Ukip and the Tories will have no-one to blame but themselves albeit if Labour had actually been an opposition it would not have happened.

Glory Glory

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Playing Devil's Advocate here, but that's a bit like Trump's answer to Laura Kuensberg yesterday.

I'm still waiting for that....:greengrin

As serious an issue as it is I did smile when I heard Nadhim Zahawi, pro Brexit MP, crying his eyes out on TV because he's effectively banned from the US at the moment. Given the linchpin of the leave campaign was 'control of our own borders' I would have thought he would have fully supported Trumps right to make that decision.

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As serious an issue as it is I did smile when I heard Nadhim Zahawi, pro Brexit MP, crying his eyes out on TV because he's effectively banned from the US at the moment. Given the linchpin of the leave campaign was 'control of our own borders' I would have thought he would have fully supported Trumps right to make that decision.

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I didn't see the TV report you refer to but based on what you say it is the type of ironic contradiction that makes one wonder if the only 'leave' that's paramount among the likes of brexiteers such as Nadhim Zahawi is the loss of their brain matter.

Glory Glory

Just read through one of those frustrating newsbites links at the bottom of various websites.
The one I read was for which personality voted for Trump or Clinton.
I couldn't help but smile at this one ....

Stacey Dash – Trump
Dash has long been a vocal conservative. The Clueless star is a frequent Fox News guest and has indicated her support of Trump’s campaign.

Oh the irony :faf:

Two fascinating, essential and terrifying reads:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big...a-brexit-trump


https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/tr...1d5#.pvebza1ae

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Two fascinating, essential and terrifying reads:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big...a-brexit-trump


https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/tr...1d5#.pvebza1ae

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Ha! Found my way to both of these articles earlier in the day. The one about the coup - it's possible.

The big data one was something covered in an Adam Curtis documentary - Hypernormalisation.

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I didn't particularly want Trump (or Brexit) and I don't particularly like Trump as a person. However, I don't think diminishing him adds any clarity to the current situation.

I can see some positives from his approach which is very direct and gets results far more quickly than the naval staring, risk averse, self-serving approach which characterises the public sector in the west. I find that refreshing and I hope it shakes up the public sector generally.

I also think replacing out current free trade arrangements with the EU by a free trade arrangement with the US could work well and be really interesting for us as a country. I would hope that it opens up a greater exchange between us.

Neither of last years election/referendum result where what I would have chosen but we are where we are and that's democracy but I think we owe it to ourselves to make it work for our benefit as best we can and, if we do that right they may turn out for the best after all. Maybe.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...urkeys-erdogan

"Fighter jets and predator drones"

Jesus wept.

Is there literally nothing that will pierce the armour of self-delusion? Arming dictators, flattering extremists - being outside the EU will be whoring ourselves to anyone that wants to buy the tools for killing.

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I get that there are plenty who support nationalism here, and i could potentially be one.

But dont pretend the SNP are committed ideological purists.

They will, and indeed often have, pursued all kinds of weird and wonderful policies, and shed many principle in pursuit of their goal.

The FM is apparently considering doing do again
Mayne being ideologically commited to the 'european project' isnt working out, amd EU membership isnt that important after all eh?

OK, but just be mindful that this 'very direct approach which gets results' can very quickly unravel. Such as essentially supplanting senior, experienced members of the intelligence and defence organisations with his own adviser - who happens to be a renowned anti-semite and racialist with absolutely no experience in defence, intelligence or civil protection. Or instructing departments of the executive to ignore judicial decisions.

There is also a constitution - something we do not have here, unless you count the magna carta (which as an aside, tells us that we must let foreign merchants pass freely throughout England) - which is there to protect the people's rights. You may think this is some kind of liberal quagmire but you know, what luck - you've not needed to rely on constitutional protections or in the UK case, on any articles in the Human Rights Act. This situation may very well be unconstitutional. You will miss them when they are gone.

If you're happy to stick up for that and cheer it while the going is good, then fair play to you - you must really, really trust human nature on the basis of absolutely no historical evidence that it is essentially benign.

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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big...a-brexit-trump


https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/tr...1d5#.pvebza1ae

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I knew about the first one.
The second one? Terrifyingly plausible.

Bannon is the one to watch, very much got the ear of Trump to carry out his 'alt' right wing odious ideas

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I get that there are plenty who support nationalism here, and i could potentially be one.

But dont pretend the SNP are committed ideological purists.

They will, and indeed often have, pursued all kinds of weird and wonderful policies, and shed many principle in pursuit of their goal.

The FM is apparently considering doing do again
Mayne being ideologically commited to the 'european project' isnt working out, amd EU membership isnt that important after all eh?

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You get them all here. Scottish Nationalists, British Nationalists, Welsh Nationalists, Irish, French, English, and German.:aok:

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And now sits on national intelligence committees. Very very dangerous man.

It's difficult to know where to start with Trump. First of all, I wouldn't have voted for him, as saying so seems obligatory whenever his name is mentioned in this country.

However, I have found the coverage of his policies extremely biased and poorly presented. This evening, Sky News did a 15min article on his 'immigration ban' without actually saying what it was (refugees, US citizens, tourists, people with visas, all the above?) and instead focussed on the protests and interviews with various people who were appalled by him for various reasons. I have since read what his policy is and disapprove, but the media (not just Sky) seem incapable of focusing on the facts of the story and seem to think they can boost their ratings by repeating how horrible Trump is.

Instead of the lazy digs at him, it would be more constructive and better journalism to focus on what his policies actually are, why he ended up winning the election (the media here come across as in awe of Obama and afraid to criticise) and the likely impact of the policies. If they tell the audience the facts then we can make our own minds up.

As for Trump himself, part of me thinks at least he's actually doing what he said he would, even although I expect some of his policies and language will do more harm than good. Although it gets less coverage (because it's less decisive and the media like to stir), I'm particularly worried about his approach towards the environment as some of his changes could be irreversible and set the whole process even further behind.

Attorney General sacked for 'betraying' the Department of Justice.

That's the kind of rhetoric we mock North Korea for.

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Attorney General sacked for 'betraying' the Department of Justice.

That's the kind of rhetoric we mock North Korea for.

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The BBC North America Editor Tony Zurcher :

'Acting Attorney General Sally Yates essentially forced Mr Trump's hand when she ordered justice department lawyers not to defend the president's recent immigration order in court.
Mr Trump could not abide such defiance from an Obama Administration holdover due for replacement soon anyway'.

...which misses the point a bit. Was someone not saying earlier on this thread about the separation of legislative executive and judicial branches of government? Untangling that system, if you want to, just requires the necessary political will.

A bit of irony about Trump's wall

https://mishtalk.com/2017/01/30/flas...sh-signs-bill/

https://youtu.be/W_anu-feuKE

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The BBC North America Editor Tony Zurcher :

'Acting Attorney General Sally Yates essentially forced Mr Trump's hand when she ordered justice department lawyers not to defend the president's recent immigration order in court.
Mr Trump could not abide such defiance from an Obama Administration holdover due for replacement soon anyway'.

...which misses the point a bit. Was someone not saying earlier on this thread about the separation of legislative executive and judicial branches of government? Untangling that system, if you want to, just requires the necessary political will.

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Never mind all the due process/whether things are constitutional or legal or not. Some folks are just impressed you can go in and unpick over a century of constitutional protections just by ignoring they exist or by sacking the people who are there to defend the commonly agreed rules of the game.

It's fantastic to see apparently, all of those checks and balances in the system designed to prevent tyranny and dictatorial rule being swept away by Trump playing glove-puppet to known anti-semite and white supremacist Bannon.

There must be people in the GOP starting to wonder where this will end up. If there's not, there really should be.

If the comments Trump reportedly made during/following his phone call with Malcolm Turnbull, about the Australia/USA immigration deal and the Boston bombers, are true, then those comments are simply racist.

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver returns tonight. Often an interesting take on things, and an entertaining view, so I welcome its return.

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Expect enjoyable Trump tweeting later about it being unfunny, biased and one-sided!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzKS2mcNaY

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I'd never heard of John Oliver until I watched Last Week Tonight, he's very good.

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Notice how people pick up on Trumps comments but happily ignore Australia's stance on refusing refugees and keeping them on islands in the Pacific Ocean!

Where are the marches and petitions demanding this changes?

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Never mind all the due process/whether things are constitutional or legal or not. Some folks are just impressed you can go in and unpick over a century of constitutional protections just by ignoring they exist or by sacking the people who are there to defend the commonly agreed rules of the game.

It's fantastic to see apparently, all of those checks and balances in the system designed to prevent tyranny and dictatorial rule being swept away by Trump playing glove-puppet to known anti-semite and white supremacist Bannon.

There must be people in the GOP starting to wonder where this will end up. If there's not, there really should be.

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The GOP will be trying to tame the beast they created for the next four years. It's not just the Democrats who hate Trumps vision. And if he does turn into a one term oddity, or even gets impeached before seeing out his term, the US political establishment will remember how subservient May was. There will be even less give and take and the 'special relationship' will mean even less to them. Just bad politics all round.

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Notice how people pick up on Trumps comments but happily ignore Australia's stance on refusing refugees and keeping them on islands in the Pacific Ocean!

Where are the marches and petitions demanding this changes?

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-08/let-them-stay-protests-against-return-of-asylum-seekers-to-nauru/7150462

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/11895

https://www.change.org/p/the-un-stop-the-inhumane-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-sanction-the-australian-government-for-breaching-international-law

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/24/petition-calls-for-australia-to-ratify-un-protocol-against-torture-in-detention

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-08/let-them-stay-protests-against-return-of-asylum-seekers-to-nauru/7150462

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/11895

https://www.change.org/p/the-un-stop...ernational-law

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...e-in-detention

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The petition has just over 5,000 signatories and is now 'closed' so has had no effect or impact. Point was more that people are quick to jump on anything Trump says and it has become the fashionable thing in the media now to focus on what he says rather than dig deeper at the actual story.

Similarly where are the marches and petitions about Saudi Arabia's treatment of women and their human rights record - 100,000 women march in London against Trump, wonder how many would turn up at a march against the Saudi Government.

Fair enough, John. You probably think Trump is hard done by, misunderstood and it is all total hypocrisy. Where were people when... I've been reading that kind of viewpoint, though it usually comes with a Pepe the Frog emoticon. Or weirder still, is advanced by people on the left.

It's a kind of two wrongs don't make a right. US foreign policy has been a complete disaster for many, many years - I've been out and protested it a few times: Iraq War and the bombing of Serbia. I haven't been out protesting at every single occurrence of bad stuff in the world. But I will protest Trump because, as I say, he is a complete loose cannon who actively courts and engages with white supremacists and anti-semites, like Steve Bannon - his chief adviser and now with a seat on the US National Security Council.

I'll not convince you otherwise and you won't convince me.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

Fair enough, John. You probably think Trump is hard done by, misunderstood and it is all total hypocrisy. Where were people when... I've been reading that kind of viewpoint, though it usually comes with a Pepe the Frog emoticon. Or weirder still, is advanced by people on the left.

It's a kind of two wrongs don't make a right. US foreign policy has been a complete disaster for many, many years - I've been out and protested it a few times: Iraq War and the bombing of Serbia. I haven't been out protesting at every single occurrence of bad stuff in the world. But I will protest Trump because, as I say, he is a complete loose cannon who actively courts and engages with white supremacists and anti-semites, like Steve Bannon - his chief adviser and now with a seat on the US National Security Council.

I'll not convince you otherwise and you won't convince me.

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I don't think he is hard done by and he deserves everything he gets. Just it seems like the fashionable thing at the moment to criticise everything he is doing when there is a lot worse going on. I appreciate we can't march and protest against everything though.

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

I don't think he is hard done by and he deserves everything he gets. Just it seems like the fashionable thing at the moment to criticise everything he is doing when there is a lot worse going on. I appreciate we can't march and protest against everything though.

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Part of the issue is that Australian immigration policy, and Saudi treatment of women, don't have a direct impact on our lives. Trump's decisions, though, have that potential.

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

I don't think he is hard done by and he deserves everything he gets. Just it seems like the fashionable thing at the moment to criticise everything he is doing when there is a lot worse going on. I appreciate we can't march and protest against everything though.

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Sorry, I made a bit of an erse of myself there. I suppose it is fashionable because it's right in front of our eyes. Maybe it'll die down. I do think that at some stage, they'll try play it to their advantage: like the violence at Berkeley last night - totally counter productive.

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

I don't think he is hard done by and he deserves everything he gets. Just it seems like the fashionable thing at the moment to criticise everything he is doing when there is a lot worse going on. I appreciate we can't march and protest against everything though.

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I would have said that as the most powerful man on the planet, the things he is doing merit special attention, especially given the impact they are having, and could potentially have.

One thing about Trump, he is doing exactly as he said he would do. Are we not always critical of politicians who say one thing to get elected and never actually do what they say? Can't accuse him of that!

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One thing about Trump, he is doing exactly as he said he would do. Are we not always critical of politicians who say one thing to get elected and never actually do what they say? Can't accuse him of that!

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There's a certain irony to that. Of all the politicians you wanted not to be true to their word it's him.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

There's a certain irony to that. Of all the politicians you wanted not to be true to their word it's him.

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True, but we are quick to criticise those that don't.

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One thing about Trump, he is doing exactly as he said he would do. Are we not always critical of politicians who say one thing to get elected and never actually do what they say? Can't accuse him of that!

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It is interesting, maybe morbidly so, watching it unfold.

Trump isn't a politician, I think that's the crux of it.

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True, but we are quick to criticise those that don't.

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I'm not sure why you're placing so much emphasis on this; he shouldn't be criticised for the terrible decisions he's making, just because he said he would make them during the election campaign?

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One thing about Trump, he is doing exactly as he said he would do. Are we not always critical of politicians who say one thing to get elected and never actually do what they say? Can't accuse him of that!

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The things we can accuse him of pale into comparison next to worrying about whether or not he kept his campaign promises. In the grand scheme of things right now, when you have a chief WH strategist who is willing to watch the world burn in pursuit of creating a new dominant American world order from the ashes, it's very low down on the list of worries!

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Originally Posted by Dinkydoo

I'm not sure why you're placing so much emphasis on this; he shouldn't be criticised for the terrible decisions he's making, just because he said he would make them during the election campaign?

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I say he gets everything he deserves. Point was we moan when politicians don't do as they say, we moan when they do.

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

The things we can accuse him of pale into comparison next to worrying about whether or not he kept his campaign promises. In the grand scheme of things right now, when you have a chief WH strategist who is willing to watch the world burn in pursuit of creating a new dominant American world order from the ashes, it's very low down on the list of worries!

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America has been pursuing a new world order where they are the dominant force for decades now, it's not new. Maybe just a bit more open now!

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It is interesting, maybe morbidly so, watching it unfold.

Trump isn't a politician, I think that's the crux of it.

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Not defending Trump, but what's your perception of a politician?

glory glory

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

I say he gets everything he deserves. Point was we moan when politicians don't do as they say, we moan when they do.

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But I'm not sure it's a valid point to make - is anyone actually moaning because he was honest? I think people are simply complaining because he's rushing into making decisions about things he has little grasp of, he's petulant, a bit racist and likely to provoke a world war and destory the global economy

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Originally Posted by northstandhibby

Not defending Trump, but what's your perception of a politician?

glory glory

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Not Trump!

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But I'm not sure it's a valid point to make - is anyone actually moaning because he was honest? I think people are simply complaining because he's rushing into making decisions about things he has little grasp of, he's petulant, a bit racist and likely to provoke a world war and destory the global economy

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Loads were moaning when we was honest on his campaign? If not moaning what was it?

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Loads were moaning when we was honest on his campaign? If not moaning what was it?

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No offence John, but tbh it's starting to feel a wee bit like you are arguing for the sake of it. :dunno:

Loving Trumps tweet outburst today....he was talking about an American court deciding American law as America having its right to make laws taken away...that's just genius!

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No offence John, but tbh it's starting to feel a wee bit like you are arguing for the sake of it. :dunno:

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I got asked a question, I answered it.

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Loving Trumps tweet outburst today....he was talking about an American court deciding American law as America having its right to make laws taken away...that's just genius!

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If he is leading us on a path to armageddon at least there will be a few laughs along the way.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

If he is leading us on a path to armageddon at least there will be a few laughs along the way.

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Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters!

I heard the great opponent of fake news on the news a few minutes ago, saying that European police and security forces had embarked on a policy of not reporting acts of terrorism, which were rife in Europe.