Commons yes or no?

Ill drive commons to easter road myself

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Originally Posted by scott_b_

A helluva lot of fitness experts on this forum who probably can't run the length of themselves :yawn2::rotflmao:

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I can.
So my no opinion must be correct then.

Yes

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Originally Posted by hughio

Money's the rub innit if you agree as I and others do that Commons would add value.

NL is totally pally with Martin Reilley the agent for Commons.
Reilley will be negotiating with Lawell already I bet on who pays £20K pw till end of Commons contract.
Surely any contribution is good for Celtc.and playing is good for

The hard talking won't be done till end of Jan when Lawell will see if there's any other interest.
I wonder what Hibs bottom line will be?
I'm guessing we'll offer £3K a week at the very last minute and it will all fall through.

If it was up to me I'd say to Lawell and the agent we will pay £5K a week now but will not be repeating this in Jan.
take it or leave it.

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Martin Reilly is Lennons agent too. It was him who drove him to east mains to sign the deal with us. I've dealt with Martin with his other business interests outside football.

Would take Commons in a heartbeat - no brainer for me. Any signing is a risk that might not work out, and his lack of playing time recently is rightly being highlighted as a slight concern by some - but if people genuinely are not thrilled at the prospect of signing someone with his track record when we are in the Championship, I'm stunned.

Re: the comments about him being injury prone - simply not true. He's been out of the picture at Celtic this season, but from when he signed until the end of last season he made 223 appearances, more than 40 a year on average. Talking of averages, he has averaged 15 goals a season in Scotland in the nearly six years he's been here, (91 goals in 175 starts/223 appearances) for a guy who's not an out and out striker that is really special. 9 goals in 33 games for Celtic last season suggests he's far from finished also.

Of course he's not the same player he was - that goes without saying. But even if he's 60% of that player he would have loads to offer us in the Championship. He's not had the best last couple of years due to Deila not seeming to rate him (given that that guy thought Nadir Cifti was a better option than Lee Griffiths, that's hardly a surprise) and then being out of the picture with Rodgers. But I'd be thrilled if we signed him.

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Originally Posted by Unseen work

The reason commons fitness doesn't concern me is because;

He has never been known for his fitness
He has always appeared slightly overweight
His game does not resolve around running like a mad man

His game has, and always will be his intelligence in and around the box and being able to score goals and set up for others. Something he will still be capabake of.

Although he has not played games recently he will still be training and eating like an athlete 5 times a week. He has not been on a bender since may and hasn't touched a ball since.

Couple of games for match sharpness, even at that I would think he would be fine.

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I agree 99%. Just not too sure about his capabaking ability. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Stevie Reid

Would take Commons in a heartbeat - no brainer for me. Any signing is a risk that might not work out, and his lack of playing time recently is rightly being highlighted as a slight concern by some - but if people genuinely are not thrilled at the prospect of signing someone with his track record when we are in the Championship, I'm stunned.

Re: the comments about him being injury prone - simply not true. He's been out of the picture at Celtic this season, but from when he signed until the end of last season he made 223 appearances, more than 40 a year on average. Talking of averages, he has averaged 15 goals a season in Scotland in the nearly six years he's been here, (91 goals in 175 starts/223 appearances) for a guy who's not an out and out striker that is really special. 9 goals in 33 games for Celtic last season suggests he's far from finished also.

Of course he's not the same player he was - that goes without saying. But even if he's 60% of that player he would have loads to offer us in the Championship. He's not had the best last couple of years due to Deila not seeming to rate him (given that that guy thought Nadir Cifti was a better option than Lee Griffiths, that's hardly a surprise) and then being out of the picture with Rodgers. But I'd be thrilled if we signed him.

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That's a brilliant take on it right there 👍

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Originally Posted by H18S NX

Nah,rather have Henderson or swanson

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Swanson? I've heard many questions about his fitness and attitude over the years he has been discussed on here.

In 2013-14 Kris Commons scored almost as many goals (32) as Danny Swanson has in his whole career (37).

I'd love Henderson back but I'd take Commons over him right now with regards to getting out of the Championship.

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Originally Posted by hughio

Money's the rub innit if you agree as I and others do that Commons would add value.

NL is totally pally with Martin Reilley the agent for Commons.
Reilley will be negotiating with Lawell already I bet on who pays £20K pw till end of Commons contract.
Surely any contribution is good for Celtc.and playing is good for KC.

The hard talking won't be done till end of Jan when Lawell will see if there's any other interest.
I wonder what Hibs bottom line will be?
I'm guessing we'll offer £3K a week at the very last minute and it will all fall through.

If it was up to me I'd say to Lawell and the agent we will pay £5K a week now but will not be repeating this in Jan.
take it or leave it.

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Old style Hibs (ie RP) would have done the last gasp £3k offer but new style (LD) I'm sure would do it the second way - and could well be for more than £5k. We have money in the bank after all and end-January is just too late. It is also imperative we get promoted - worth megabucks to us.

If to happen hopefully prior to the United game on 6th Jan.

Yes please

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Originally Posted by Stevie Reid

Swanson? I've heard many questions about his fitness and attitude over the years he has been discussed on here.

In 2013-14 Kris Commons scored almost as many goals (32) as Danny Swanson has in his whole career (37).

I'd love Henderson back but I'd take Commons over him right now with regards to getting out of the Championship.

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I would think any decent player would score more goals playing for Celtc than for any of the 'also rans' (as the media see the rest of us).

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Originally Posted by snooky

I would think any decent player would score more goals playing for Celtc than for any of the 'also rans' (as the media see the rest of us).

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Most would, but there have been a good few who thrive as a big fish in a small pond and get a bit lost at a bigger club.

I wouldn't be so quick to belittle the achievement of getting a move to a big club, establishing yourself then going on to thrive. It isn't all that easy.

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Originally Posted by snooky

I would think any decent player would score more goals playing for Celtc than for any of the 'also rans' (as the media see the rest of us).

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And I wouldn't disagree with that point. But my point is that Commons is a midfielder who scores goals, has done everywhere he's been - 160 in his career. In this transfer window we are looking to improve, to bring in players who will offer what we are lacking - creating chances is not a problem for us, but the amount we score can certainly improve. Our strikers' scoring ratios are good, but we lack goals from midfield.

Swanson can create chances no doubt, but he doesn't score many - Commons has scoring ratios from midfield that are better than many top strikers.

Aye, Commons was a fairly gifted player in the SPL. However, he has been inactive for a significant amount of time and this is the crucial part. This is a guy who is 33 and who has barely kicked a ball for nearly a year by the time January comes around.

No matter how good he once was, he will still need to be fit enough to compete and at our level there is no shortage of effort and endeavour from the opposition. Once the legs have gone that is usually the end for players and whilst our coaches will no doubt consider this, will they really have that much opportunity to assess him?

Holt pefectly illustrates the point above. Once a player capable of scoring in the EPL, he has hardly struck fear into defences in the Scottish second tier, despite a decent pedigree.

The thing is that we are in a battle with a side who are on the up and up. Failure to be promoted would be a disaster and so far Lennon and his signings have not convinced in my book. This is arguably one of the most important windows ever for us. We have to get it right. I would be much more optimistic if we had the likes of Henderson and GMS coming in from Celtic.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

Most would, but there have been a good few who thrive as a big fish in a small pond and get a bit lost at a bigger club.

I wouldn't be so quick to belittle the achievement of getting a move to a big club, establishing yourself then going on to thrive. It isn't all that easy.

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I agree entirely. I should have clarified my statement by saying if they had 10 games playing for Celtc and 10 games playing for one of the other clubs you would likely get more scoring opportunities and therefore more likelihood of scoring more playing with Celtc.
Not always the case, but generally true.

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Originally Posted by southfieldhibby

Unfair on Ivan. Takes a certain degree of skill to score a hattrick at Ibrox, something Commons didn't manage. But I guess my point was we've had plenty players better than commons since Sauzee.

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And what a bloody amazing day that was :thumbsup:

Has been a quality player, but I think this deal could be costly and it's definitely risky! Costly because he's apparently on £20k a week, the economics of this one will be interesting. Risky because he's 34 in the summer and hasn't played since mid March, 9 months out, it could take a hell of a long time to get him match fit. Not for me!

The potential cost of this deal has been brought up a few times - I don't know if it would be as costly a deal as some are making out.

Yes, he's on a lot of money at Celtic.

But they're unlikely to get anything for that money between now and the end of his contract. They may be happy to take a token contribution from us - it's better than nothing.

And it may be that we can offer him a lot more than just money. If he's had a few decent contracts from Celtic and his English clubs, he won't be short of a few bob - his priority may just be to get playing and enjoying his football whilst he still can - he'll be a long time retired. We may offer him a coaching role, he may fancy doing one of his favourite managers a favour - there are reasons why players do things other than just for the money.

I've sometimes been surprised at the quality of player who ends up in the SPFL late in their careers - how much would Jody Morris and Michael Duberry have been taking from St Johnstone? By all accounts both those players loved their time up here and managed to make a significant contribution in the twilight of their careers.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

Most would, but there have been a good few who thrive as a big fish in a small pond and get a bit lost at a bigger club.

I wouldn't be so quick to belittle the achievement of getting a move to a big club, establishing yourself then going on to thrive. It isn't all that easy.

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Not playing & the fall out with Kris got Ronny the sack.

No brainer for me

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Originally Posted by Superfuddyhibby

Aye, Commons was a fairly gifted player in the SPL. However, he has been inactive for a significant amount of time and this is the crucial part. This is a guy who is 33 and who has barely kicked a ball for nearly a year by the time January comes around.

No matter how good he once was, he will still need to be fit enough to compete and at our level there is no shortage of effort and endeavour from the opposition. Once the legs have gone that is usually the end for players and whilst our coaches will no doubt consider this, will they really have that much opportunity to assess him?

Holt pefectly illustrates the point above. Once a player capable of scoring in the EPL, he has hardly struck fear into defences in the Scottish second tier, despite a decent pedigree.

The thing is that we are in a battle with a side who are on the up and up. Failure to be promoted would be a disaster and so far Lennon and his signings have not convinced in my book. This is arguably one of the most important windows ever for us. We have to get it right. I would be much more optimistic if we had the likes of Henderson and GMS coming in from Celtic.

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I wouldn't. Henderson is a great young player that played really well for us last season. But at the end of the day he was still part of a team that failed to get promoted, and finished third in the Championship. He didn't score many goals either. If you think Commons is a gamble, then so is GMS in my opinion. The majority of times he's played for Celtic he's not performed. Great player for DU, but that was a wee while ago now. It'd be great if we got even 1 of these players; it would be a brilliant coup by Lennon, but I certainly wouldn't be any more optimistic if we signed one instead of the other.

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Originally Posted by scott_b_

If Lennon, his coaches and our fitness staff see him as fit enough and an asset to the team thats good enough for me. If they don't then thats also good enough for me.

A helluva lot of fitness experts on this forum who probably can't run the length of themselves :yawn2::rotflmao:

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So you are not allowed a comment unless you are an expert? That's a new one. Can you say what you are an expert in so that I can look back over your posts and consider them as facts?

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Originally Posted by Superfuddyhibby

Aye, Commons was a fairly gifted player in the SPL. However, he has been inactive for a significant amount of time and this is the crucial part. This is a guy who is 33 and who has barely kicked a ball for nearly a year by the time January comes around.

No matter how good he once was, he will still need to be fit enough to compete and at our level there is no shortage of effort and endeavour from the opposition. Once the legs have gone that is usually the end for players and whilst our coaches will no doubt consider this, will they really have that much opportunity to assess him?

Holt pefectly illustrates the point above. Once a player capable of scoring in the EPL, he has hardly struck fear into defences in the Scottish second tier, despite a decent pedigree.

The thing is that we are in a battle with a side who are on the up and up. Failure to be promoted would be a disaster and so far Lennon and his signings have not convinced in my book. This is arguably one of the most important windows ever for us. We have to get it right. I would be much more optimistic if we had the likes of Henderson and GMS coming in from Celtic.

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If NL's signings don't convince you then we're doomed whatever happens in January.:confused:

Happily I don't share your views so am not getting depressed. Lennon, better than anyone, is in a good position to guage what kind of shape Commons is in before offering him a contract.

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Originally Posted by jacomo

This is not a conversation about whether Commons was a good player. It's about whether he is right for us, in 2017, and there is legitimate debate about that given how little football he has played in the past year. Don't be such a bore.

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Class is permanent and if, as the man says, Lennon et al judge his fitness to be up to scratch then there's no debate to be had there either.

Given what we know he is capable of from a technical POV, I'm willing to trust those more qualified and in the know than any of us on the fitness point.

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Originally Posted by Lennon's Lip

A fit Kris Commons then yes!

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Agreed.

Anyone seen him recently? He's always looked like he's struggled with his weight!

I'd like to see a fit Chris Commons play behind a fit Grant Holt, i wonder what odds the bookies would give me on that ever happening?

Can't understand the logic why anyone wouldn't want Commons at ER...

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Originally Posted by Baader

Can't understand the logic why anyone wouldn't want Commons at ER...

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I agree however, it depends on the deal. There is quiet rumblings sounding out that we could see Commons and Henderson coming to us in Jan with John McGinn going the other way at the season end. I don't think that would be good business as, if we get promoted then I don't think Commons will be any good to us. Of course this is just all hearsay, but Commons with nothing else but Commons then YES.

I couldn't understand him not getting a game under Delia. He was clearly one of the best players at the club.

I'd love to see him at Hibs.

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Originally Posted by Baader

Can't understand the logic why anyone wouldn't want Commons at ER...

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Perhaps you'd be wise to read through this thread then, but from what i have read some folk are just a little worried about the amount of time he's not played any football matches?

I think, although not 100% sure, that this is what they are basing their opinions on? :wink:

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I cant make a reasoned view on this, as i dont know how fit he is? :confused:

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Spot on. But as he hasn't played since April and he's 33 years old it would be pretty surprising if this is a good idea for us.

It's seems we have a hell of a lot of Celtc fitness coaches here in .net who all know that Commons is unfit and past it at 33. He's not played for them for a long time because Rodgers doesnae fancy him and he was injured at the end of delias reign. We all assume that celtc are so unprofessional that they'd let a squad player become unfit. As far as I am aware he still trains with the 1st team and will probably be workin hard to keep fit. He knows his time at celtc is up so why would a player in that situation let himself go so much that it would prevent other teams even thinking of taking him on.
Personally I will put my trust in the footballing department at ER who, if this is a genuine goer will assess Commons and judge wether he is a decent addition to the squad. If he's even half the player he was at celtc, even if no match fit, would make an impact in this league. He's got talent in bucket loads and that doesn't disappear over the space of 9 months.

80 goals from 200 odd games for celtic from the midfield?, most scored from outside the box if hes half as good as he once was he IMO would be an outstanding addition to the squad till the summer( he,d be going all out to prove a lot of people wrong thinking he,s finished, and putting himself in the shop window for the summer)IMHO if hibs get commons in january he,d get 10 plus goals bye end of season and hibs would be clear champions........:agree:

I don't get why he's out of favour at Celtic; he's always looked a really good player. Definitely sign him if possible.

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Originally Posted by vince1973

It's seems we have a hell of a lot of Celtc fitness coaches here in .net who all know that Commons is unfit and past it at 33. He's not played for them for a long time because Rodgers doesnae fancy him and he was injured at the end of delias reign. We all assume that celtc are so unprofessional that they'd let a squad player become unfit. As far as I am aware he still trains with the 1st team and will probably be workin hard to keep fit. He knows his time at celtc is up so why would a player in that situation let himself go so much that it would prevent other teams even thinking of taking him on.
Personally I will put my trust in the footballing department at ER who, if this is a genuine goer will assess Commons and judge wether he is a decent addition to the squad. If he's even half the player he was at celtc, even if no match fit, would make an impact in this league. He's got talent in bucket loads and that doesn't disappear over the space of 9 months.

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I have put my trust in numerous managers over the years, who have signed players we've all thought might be good for us, and guess what, a fair amount of them have not.

I have read someone else say he'd take a 60% fit Commons, now you say a half the player celtic had would be ok for us.

Why would half the player be good enough for us, and why would we take someone who was only 60% fit? And signing Commons would not address the positions we clearly need much more addressed ie width and pace, and another left back.

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Originally Posted by Paisley Hibby

Spot on. But as he hasn't played since April and he's 33 years old it would be pretty surprising if this is a good idea for us.

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If he has been training all the time then he will have some level of fitness, the worry is that it doesn't seem he has even played in bounce games or development games so no game time for a good while now which is the biggest concern, with him having a back problem a while back that if we try to give him game time to get his fitness up is heavy pitches at that time of the year and Astro pitch s could be a problem for him as well, the big fear is him picking up wee niggly injuries after not playing for a good while on these pitches, it will be a big risk to take, but I think Lennon will try to get it pushed through and hope Commons can do a job for Hibs as Lennon needs to get us promoted this season and he has previous for putting pressure on a clubs board to release funds in windows to strengthen his team, something Lennon has been doing recently, hopefully Leeann is ready to back him.

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Originally Posted by vince1973

It's seems we have a hell of a lot of Celtc fitness coaches here in .net who all know that Commons is unfit and past it at 33. He's not played for them for a long time because Rodgers doesnae fancy him and he was injured at the end of delias reign. We all assume that celtc are so unprofessional that they'd let a squad player become unfit. As far as I am aware he still trains with the 1st team and will probably be workin hard to keep fit. He knows his time at celtc is up so why would a player in that situation let himself go so much that it would prevent other teams even thinking of taking him on.
Personally I will put my trust in the footballing department at ER who, if this is a genuine goer will assess Commons and judge wether he is a decent addition to the squad. If he's even half the player he was at celtc, even if no match fit, would make an impact in this league. He's got talent in bucket loads and that doesn't disappear over the space of 9 months.

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In fact you have no idea whether he trains with the first team or not.As he's getting twenty grand a week for sitting around doing nothing you don't know either whether he's keeping himself fit or not.I'm not attacking you just pointing out that none of us know what the situation is.Clearly we would all take Commons as he was,equally clearly nobody wants money wasted on a guy that can't cut it anymore.The only indisputable fact is that the present and past Celtic managers did not think his skills are sufficient to make up for the fact that he can't play the pressing game required from midfielders these days.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I have put my trust in numerous managers over the years, who have signed players we've all thought might be good for us, and guess what, a fair amount of them have not.

I have read someone else say he'd take a 60% fit Commons, now you say a half the player celtic had would be ok for us.

Why would half the player be good enough for us, and why would we take someone who was only 60% fit? And signing Commons would not address the positions we clearly need much more addressed ie width and pace, and another left back.

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I would say that recruitment has improved since LD arrived at the club. The system in place now seems to employ more decent footballers than duds. I would prefer a fully fit Commons but if he starts at lower fitness than that it wouldn't take him long to get up to speed. Commons would address a massive problem we've had recently, scoring goals from midfield. I am in no way suggesting that he should be the only signing in January but I think he'd improve the current side. We obviously need wingers who can cross past the first defender and I am sure those positions will be high on the priority list for NL, probably above the Commons deal.
Like I said, I'm happy to let George Craig et al deal with signing and if Commons is deemed good enough I'm happy enough to see a really talented footballer pull on a Hibs shirt. If he doesn't then hopefully we can find that quality elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

In fact you have no idea whether he trains with the first team or not.As he's getting twenty grand a week for sitting around doing nothing you don't know either whether he's keeping himself fit or not.I'm not attacking you just pointing out that none of us know what the situation is.Clearly we would all take Commons as he was,equally clearly nobody wants money wasted on a guy that can't cut it anymore.The only indisputable fact is that the present and past Celtic managers did not think his skills are sufficient to make up for the fact that he can't play the pressing game required from midfielders these days.

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No I don't know if he is or not but I would assume that he is or given the over exposure in the media on all things celtc then we would probably hear about it. Do you think the Hibs recruitment team waste money on him if he's no good for the job?
I would say the current celtc manager doesn't rate him. Delia seemed to until his injury? I have no clue as to what his wages has to do with his fitness, personnally if I was Commons I'd be making sure I was in top condition so I could get at least one more contract before the end of my career. Like you say none of us on here know what he's like atm but I'm willing to trust Hibs staff to assess that. I doubt anyone who has said on here that he is fat and unfit know that, just like I don't know he's not, I just see the logical side of the situation, unless Commons is planning on quitting football all together then you'd assume he would be fit and ready for football.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Perhaps you'd be wise to read through this thread then, but from what i have read some folk are just a little worried about the amount of time he's not played any football matches?

I think, although not 100% sure, that this is what they are basing their opinions on? :wink:

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Already read through the thread thanks. I've enough faith in our coaching staff to assess a players fitness and determine whether they can do a job for us.

Need to remember the league we are in. Commons is well above this level. Even at 75% he'd be a standout.

As long as it doesn't take too long for him to get match fit I would be happy enough if we were to sign him in January.

My concern would be if this signing took up most of our budget. I'm all for genuine quality over quantity, but we have a few positions we desperately need to strengthen. Namely attacking width. So not sure if we strengthened the midfield with just Commons if that would be enough. We would still be short on pace and width.

In saying that, Commons scores goals, which is chronically in short supply in our midfield.

We need mid f's to cover for McGinn and Fyvie, Commons is not a straight replacement for either, I just don't get this signing. Basically means Shinnie doesn't play.

Can't be arsed reading through the whole thread but from what I've read people are misunderstanding the fitness issue. Whether he is fit enough to run a marathon, last 90 or struggle to last 10 minutes isn't a concern.

The fitness side i worry about is the sharpness that you lose when you're not playing, at his age I worry he might struggle to get that back. Commons at 75% fitness could do a very good job for us but 75% match sharpness would be no good to anyone IMO.

Hopefully that makes sense and apologies if that's been well covered already.

I think he would be a good signing. We need an experienced attack minded midfielder and he will bring on younger players in the mould. Just need to add a winger and we'll actually start converting the chances we create.

No chance. Overweight. Too old. A has been. Id rather we brought in a Henderson type signing. A young player who is hungry to prove himself than someone looking for one last bow.

I'd take him on a short term contract. The only way I see it working is if he gets a pay off from Celtic and comes to us on a wage within our structure to get game time.
I wouldn't want him if it meant he was using up so muchh budget that we couldn't strengthen further. Also, would not want his signing to be at the expense of Cummings moving on and using the transfer fee for him.
I'd like to see players like Henderson, Swanson, coulbye etc come in if we sell Cummings.

Latest rumour doing the rounds is Samaras.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Latest rumour doing the rounds is Samaras.

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WTF he's 31, he's playing in the 2nd tier of american soccer, played 24 scored 2 ! I know Commons and Lennon have the same agent, I have to wonder Georgios is part of the same stable. Smells like jobs for the boys. We made really good signings under Stubbs, not impressed with Lennons recruits.

He'd have a ready made song though. Ok it would need to be altered a bit but it could work.

We love Samaras, we love Samaras.

Or something like that.

Didn't we go through this when we signed Holt. And Stokes too. And I remember all the abuse I took on here when I said no to Terry Butcher.... Sigh.
Remember when this forum used to be fun.

I've actually met Samaras and he's a really nice, friendly guy. But not for Hibs. He needs crosses into the box and we seem to have a problem in that area at the moment.

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Originally Posted by ekhibee

I've actually met Samaras and he's a really nice, friendly guy. But not for Hibs. He needs crosses into the box and we seem to have a problem in that area at the moment.

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I hear Henderson can deliver :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Swedish hibee

Didn't we go through this when we signed Holt. And Stokes too. And I remember all the abuse I took on here when I said no to Terry Butcher.... Sigh.
Remember when this forum used to be fun.

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The guy who scored a double for hibs in a victorious scottish cup final. Am I reading you wrong here or are you saying it was a mistake to sign him? Apologies if I'm reading it wrong.

Samaras is a strange one. 31 isn't old and on his days he's a player. It's how often he has his day that would worry me.

I'm not sure how much truth is in a lot of these rumours though. I think a lot is people just plucking names out that Lennon has a connection to and hoping they get lucky. I'd like to think our scouting network is a bit more sophisticated than 'people the gaffer knows'.

If Commons wouldn't take a wage cut on his £20k per week, is it likely that our maximum contribution, within our wage structure, would appeal to Celtic? Even then, our maximum contribution is a lot to pay for what really is a gamble, no matter how popular a move to us appears to be.:dunno:

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Originally Posted by crabis

If NL's signings don't convince you then we're doomed whatever happens in January.:confused:

Happily I don't share your views so am not getting depressed. Lennon, better than anyone, is in a good position to guage what kind of shape Commons is in before offering him a contract.

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I'm not depressed either, but the season so far hardly fills me with joy. Out of three cups and in a battle at the top of the league.

Marciano has done the business, the others have been fairly underwhelming, but we have another window and the opportunity to bring in guys that could make a difference. I think i'll stave off the feelings of being doomed for now thanks.

Not sure that Lennon is privy to the day to day training stats at Celtic , but I would guess he is smart enough to know that we need players who will contribute from the off and experienced enough to know that the best oart of a year with nae fitba and being a 33 doesn't seem like a recipe for instant success.

My final point, which no one who wants Commons in appears to be able to address is that this division is robust and competative. Skill and past achievements count for little if you can't meet a certain standard of fitness. Grant Holt illustrates this perfectly well.

Yes, but needs to be fully fit. I think he would be a good few weeks away from being match fit though. I don't know when he last played a competitive game?

My concern would be the time he would need to get up to speed, if we are still neck and neck with UTD we need someone who can hit the ground running.

Our biggest requirement is two wingers who have pace and can cross a ball. I don't think Commons would even be required as I think we'd get a lot more out of Holt and Graham if we had better delivery into the box from the wings.

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Yes, but needs to be fully fit. I think he would be a good few weeks away from being match fit though. I don't know when he last played a competitive game?

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Cummings miscontrolled the ball numerous times today.A prime example of what happens when you haven't played much for a few weeks.Commons hasn't played much for 9 months so it's not just the fitness it's the sharpness.

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Cummings miscontrolled the ball numerous times today.A prime example of what happens when you haven't played much for a few weeks.Commons hasn't played much for 9 months so it's not just the fitness it's the sharpness.

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Cummings miscontrols the ball numerous times every game he plays

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Latest rumour doing the rounds is Samaras.

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you have a lot to answer for my lad..... :greengrin

Wonder if Dixie Deans still has his boots?

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you have a lot to answer for my lad..... :greengrin

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Just posted what i'd heard. :greengrin

sign him as long as he is match fit, not just fit!we cannot afford the time .

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sign him as long as he is match fit, not just fit!we cannot afford the time .

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As he hasn't played any competitive games then that's highly unlikely

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...-kris-commons/

Emergency loan being touted.

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https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...-kris-commons/ Emergency loan being touted.

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Fingers crossed

Could be a master stroke getting in him now. Gove him a couple of games to find his touch and ready to go for united in january.

Please please please please

Without a doubt, yes. :aok:

Great to sign him if he's ready to go (fitness and sharpness)?

Has a great reading of the game and also scores goals, whats not to like!!!!

Fit and ready yes
Fat and lazy no

Terrific player. If he's fit and motivated, he'll make a huge difference to our attack/creativity from midfield.

The jury is out until I see what kind of nick he's in. What was then and what is now could be two entirely different things.

Get him in he will be fitter than Dylan Mcgeough.

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The jury is out until I see what kind of nick he's in. What was then and what is now could be two entirely different things.

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Lennon will have an advantage over the jury! All the players at a club like Celtic will be closely monitored re fitness by the sports scientist and team. He may be rusty from lack of first team games but Lennon will know how fit he is after speaking to them and the coaching staff!

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Get him in he will be fitter than Dylan Mcgeough.

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And John McGinn and Fraser Fyvie if you want to go down that route.

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And John McGinn and Fraser Fyvie if you want to go down that route.

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Hearing anything in this one Scoop?

Judging by comments in the Sun it looks very much a deal for commons is on

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He would take too long to get match fit. Look how long it took Stokes and he is about 5 years younger and not as fat.

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I really don't understand how folk are so sure he is not fit to play or is too 'fat'? Aye he had an injury issue at the start of the season but how about maybe entertaining the fact he might be perfectly fit and healthy, ready to play but Brendan Rogers doesn't fancy him/want to change a winning formula??

Why anyone would be against him coming to us is beyond me. Class act.

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Judging by comments in the Sun it looks very much a deal for commons is on

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Lennon doesn't mention commons in article so could be rag putting 2 and 2 together.

However, I reckon we do have a shot at this.

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I really don't understand how folk are so sure he is not fit to play or is too 'fat'? Aye he had an injury issue at the start of the season but how about maybe entertaining the fact he might be perfectly fit and healthy, ready to play but Brendan Rogers doesn't fancy him/want to change a winning formula??

Why anyone would be against him coming to us is beyond me. Class act.

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No doubting he has ability but he hasnt played since April i think. There is not a chance he will be match fit. I would take him due to our current midfield situation if only to sit behind the strikers and spray the ball about.

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Hearing anything in this one Scoop?

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Heard we were approaching Celtic for an emergency loan prior to the game at Tannadice, I thought it was Henderson though.

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Lennon doesn't mention commons in article so could be rag putting 2 and 2 together.

However, I reckon we do have a shot at this.

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The guy writing the article is quite relevant I think.

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The guy writing the article is quite relevant I think.

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Kenny Millar is a hibby and usually accurate with his stuff about us.

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Kenny Millar is a hibby and usually accurate with his stuff about us.

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The article also has comments from DU. youth coach, Dave Bowman, my number one 'players you love to hate'. He waxes lyrical about Cammy Bell, penalty save specialist, saying. "We give away penalties now and we're not even bothered." Nice footballing philosophy, ya muppet.

If this is true, then those kids who thought they might make the breakthrough this season are either not good enough, or the manager does not rate them good enough yet?

I wonder which it is?

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If this is true, then those kids who thought they might make the breakthrough this season are either not good enough, or the manager does not rate them good enough yet?

I wonder which it is?

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I don't think Lennon is willing to gamble on any youth players. Its either promotion or his managerial career is done and dusted.

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If this is true, then those kids who thought they might make the breakthrough this season are either not good enough, or the manager does not rate them good enough yet?

I wonder which it is?

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I think the manager may assume it may be unfair to put a hell of a lot of pressure and expectation on their shoulders. It's nip and tuck at the top just now so bringing the likes of Commons in, with his experience of winning titles may be a master stroke from Lennon. The crunch games will be played, IMO, in March and April at which point Commons would, hopefully be flying.

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I think the manager may assume it may be unfair to put a hell of a lot of pressure and expectation on their shoulders. It's nip and tuck at the top just now so bringing the likes of Commons in, with his experience of winning titles may be a master stroke from Lennon. The crunch games will be played, IMO, in March and April at which point Commons would, hopefully be flying.

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Yip 2-0 against Dumbarton at home and the pressure must have been immense?

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If this is true, then those kids who thought they might make the breakthrough this season are either not good enough, or the manager does not rate them good enough yet?

I wonder which it is?

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Might be both. :greengrin

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Might be both. :greengrin

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Maybe? :greengrin

Before the Dumbarton game Lennon was asked on Sportsound about Commons and he said it's pure speculation, and that the rumour had been doing the rounds virtually since he started at Hibs. Various newspapers can make up or have their own opinions about football issues, often there is nothing based on fact. Of course Commons joining Hibs would be great, that goes without saying, but I've seen no firm evidence of it, and more to the contrary. Would love to be proved wrong though.

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Yip 2-0 against Dumbarton at home and the pressure must have been immense?

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Eh?! What's that got to do with what I answered you with?

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Before the Dumbarton game Lennon was asked on Sportsound about Commons and he said it's pure speculation, and that the rumour had been doing the rounds virtually since he started at Hibs. Various newspapers can make up or have their own opinions about football issues, often there is nothing based on fact. Of course Commons joining Hibs would be great, that goes without saying, but I've seen no firm evidence of it, and more to the contrary. Would love to be proved wrong though.

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Kenny Miller in the Sun appears to be ITK and he thinks deal is on. Be a great signing and lays down a marker of intent.

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I felt that there was more pressure at ER on Saturday than there has been in years.

At 0-0 it was very tense, we were playing poorly and scraped a goal from a set-piece.

We all know how fragile a 1-0 lead can be and it was tense until Graham's goal in the 76th minute.

I accept that he should possibly have thrown on a couple of subs for the last 15 minutes or so as I felt at that point the game was won, but it seems to me that Lennon is taking this seriously and won't leave anything to chance.

I'd like to see the younger lads getting a chance, even if just for a short spell at the end of a game, but if it backfired and they made the kind of mistake that would cost us the game then Lennon would be crucified.

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I really don't understand how folk are so sure he is not fit to play or is too 'fat'? Aye he had an injury issue at the start of the season but how about maybe entertaining the fact he might be perfectly fit and healthy, ready to play but Brendan Rogers doesn't fancy him/want to change a winning formula??

Why anyone would be against him coming to us is beyond me. Class act.

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No doubting his pedigree but match fitness? It took Stokes long enough to get up to speed and he's much younger. With all of our injury problems we need a player(s) to "hit the ground running" as they say. We can't afford any passengers so to me it is paramount that his all round fitness is not in question. Fully fit - yes! Half fit - no!

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I felt that there was more pressure at ER on Saturday than there has been in years.

At 0-0 it was very tense, we were playing poorly and scraped a goal from a set-piece.

We all know how fragile a 1-0 lead can be and it was tense until Graham's goal in the 76th minute.

I accept that he should possibly have thrown on a couple of subs for the last 15 minutes or so as I felt at that point the game was won, but it seems to me that Lennon is taking this seriously and won't leave anything to chance.

I'd like to see the younger lads getting a chance, even if just for a short spell at the end of a game, but if it backfired and they made the kind of mistake that would cost us the game then Lennon would be crucified.

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Agree 100%.