He was mental last night. A competent opponent destroys him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
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He was mental last night. A competent opponent destroys him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
Oh dear. You seem to think everything is clear cut, everything is black and white. You seem so certain, all the time. I'm simply saying there are some questions to be answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Obviously there is questions why wouldn't there be with an incident like this. I was replying to someone saying it was a set up that's pretty black and white, I think it's ludicrous that it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
The theory that makes the most sense to me is that a sad socially inadequate 20 year old wanted someone to notice him and Trump was coming to his town so he thought he would make himself famous and end it all in one go.
He climbed on a roof and from 130m he missed the target by millimetres. He probably would have made that shot 9/10 but with the heart racing etc he didn’t. Secret Service did not miss him.
Once he was shot dead the call went out on the radio that the threat was nuetralise and the Secret service went to move Trump. They had to stand him up but they were useless at that and put him in further danger had there been a 2nd shooter.
The Secret Service had massive failing in just about every area. There will be repercussions for them.
I know it’s a far fetched theory and I may get called a fantasist but that’s what I think happened.
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Or, you're 100% right about all of the above but the Secret Service deliberately let the gunman take his shot before neutralising him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
And risk their own officers? How many would be involved in such a conspiracy? How would they ensure their silence going forward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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But you quoted me? You were replying to me and I didn't say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
That's the biggest thing against the faked moon landings. Thousands of people from actors, set designers, dozens of tradesmans, admin ect ect all never letting slip until their death. Affairs with high ups involving two parties usually come out, involve dozens and it just comes out eventually, as boring as that isQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It is a bit bizarre, and I briefly wondered the same, but the fact was that the young guy just wasn't very good with a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
They interviewed some people he was at school with and he'd applied to join a group that took part in shooting 'sports' but wasn't considered good enough for the team.
130m is a fair distance away. Unless he had experience on a range then it would be a difficult shot for most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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The first Secret Service agents got to trump about 4 seconds after the first round was fired. If they've got him in their sights then it only takes a fraction of a second to hit him after he's fired. A conspiracy to let Trump get shot doesn't have to involve everyone in the Secret Service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I don't believe there is one here, but there are enough inconsistencies that will make people ask questions.
He was a member of the Clairton Sportsman’s club, a shooting range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I’ve honestly not seen anything in this other than incompetence and zero gun control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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Count out 4 seconds sound remarkably quick, you expect secret service to be on top of him quicker than that at all times. Trump was fortunate though he moved his head at the right time a second later and he's dead it was a perfect shot from that long distance. Loads of different angles and computer simulations but this shows clearly how close he was to death https://x.com/afshinrattansi/status/...60645974449The Photographs of the other bullet shows how close it came too.https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1812293722832318726Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
And then there's the fact that someone must have already had a gun trained on the shooter before he fired, there's no way that only 4 seconds after his first shot, someone located him, took aim and then fired accurate shots to kill him.
How many people do you reckon were involved in this plot to let the lad with mental health problems shoot the president. Surely a dozen secret service, higher ups team leaders, management that wanted it done, was the shooter in on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
If your right it will be out within the year as not a hope in hell you contain that info
I think there are definitely questions to be answered, I’m kinda with Grunt on this. There’s a lot of coincidences (maybe not the right word) that have all played out in Trump’s favour.
- He gets shot but not seriously injured, and not in a way that prevented him from instantly capitalising on the moment by pumping his fist and shouting to the crowd (who thinks to do this immediately after being fired at and injured by a bullet?)
- The gunman is killed on the spot so it can be spun in a number of ways as the gunman can’t tell us his motives.
- I think when looking at the video that the secret service seemed to take an age to get to him after he drops when hit in the ear, and then took an age to get him up, then another age to get moving to the car (reality vs Hollywood I know, but they show secret service tackling presidents to the ground and racing them to a car at a sprint, there was none of that here imo)
- The secret service sniper is seen looking down his scope, then his head popping up to look again at the shooter before putting his head back down to the scope just after the shot from the gunman, when do Americans take any chances in these situations?
- And then there’s the numerous people saying they’d been telling the police and secret service for at least a minute before the shot that they could see a man on the roof with a gun, why did no one of authority react to these people?
- How does an untrained man get into the general area, close (enough) to the podium, climb a roof, and position himself, all with an assault weapon, past secret service agents and police officers trained to look for exactly this type of activity?
Trump ultimately gets to play the victim card, gets to accuse his opposition of violence (which has been levelled at him repeatedly), gets to play the ‘hero injured in service of the country’ persona, it will drive his devotees to donate more money and drum up support for people to get out and vote for him. And, there’s really nothing his opponents can do in response.
Maybe the obvious (and possibly correct) answers are that after decades of threats being dealt with much earlier and better due diligence in controlling access to areas around VIPs, maybe the secret service were just complacent and not as prepared as they thought they were for both someone accessing the area with a deadly weapon and in protecting and moving the former president after an attack is made. The police were focussed on crowd control, and the gunman was nondescript enough to pass by and get himself into position.
The best conspiracy is Trump was in on it. He was a millimeter from death bullets flying centimetres from him shot from 1 and a half football pitches away. If that was planned what a brave man a second later with the head move and he's dead. Fantastical from the lad willing to die for the cause too
The shooter forgot to put all the pro Biden / Antifa literature all over his home though. Poor show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Russia would have done a better job. Still laugh at the first year of the war when they found a house used by Ukrainian hidden agents in Moscow and the walls were full of pictures of the fuhrer, books on how to be a spy and a weapons stash like ramboQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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More of a crime is Trump's insistence on using Hold On, Im Coming as his campaign song.
He should be arrested for that alone.
Clincher :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
If you read my posts properly, you'll see I don't reckon there was a plot. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Regrettably, is it not time to change the title of this thread to ‘Donald Trump, President Elect of the USA.’
Used to think The Boys was just a parody as well. Worrying timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
He's only 1 point ahead in the polls, that's not usually enough for a guaranteed win in the US. Do think he will win though depressinglyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
What if it was just the sniper that eventually shot the kid? Says over the radio "OK guys I've got him my sights no need to go up there" while thinking "I might just let him take the shot first".Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
The bit that amazes me is just how lucky Trump was. When you think how close his ears are to the rest of his head the angle must have been absolutely perfect for the bullet to hit one and miss the other.
The problem now is that the loony bible thumpers are calling it a miracle and declaring that he really is The Chosen One. Hopefully they would all have voted for him anyway so it won't affect voting numbers.
The burden of proof should always be on the conspiracy theorist. A bird pood on me yesterday, maybe it was sent by big government maybe not. Right show me the evidence to say it was don't just say maybe it was or that theory will be ignored. If anything comes up rather than maybe or what if I'll listen but the boring truths is trump was lucky and was almost killed by someone with mental health difficulties. The crime is American gun lawsQuote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
One of the big theories was two shooter one on the water tower, obviously no proof. But that is put apart here. Shows three shots were fired hitting trump and one other, second volley was uncontrolled killed Corey Comperatore and hit another. The sniper prevented more deaths happening
https://x.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1814300337299165562
Here's someone who doesn't know what the word "theory" means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7