Hamas attack on Israel

A view on the possibility of a 2 state solution to the present conflict
https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-t...nic-cleansing/

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

A view on the possibility of a 2 state solution to the present conflict
https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-t...nic-cleansing/

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'....final settlement of the entire Gaza population.'

Such rhetoric is chilling from anyone but placed in the context of it coming from the mouth of the leader of a Jewish state makes it seem even moreso.

There's been similar articles but decent from NY Times on how Netanyahu fearful of a strong PA let Qatar fund Hamas and keep them in power. Netanyahu will be voted out as soon as the war ends

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/w...-up-hamas.html

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

There's been similar articles but decent from NY Times on how Netanyahu fearful of a strong PA let Qatar fund Hamas and keep them in power. Netanyahu will be voted out as soon as the war ends

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/w...-up-hamas.html

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Which means he has an interest in prolonging it.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Which means he has an interest in prolonging it.


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Nothing but full destruction of Hamas's Gaza leadership will suffice to his party, they are pretty united on that. They are moving through Gaza quicker than anyone I saw previously estimate.

He might think the military destruction saves him but I can't see it

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Nothing but full destruction of Hamas's Gaza leadership will suffice to his party, they are pretty united on that. They are moving through Gaza quicker than anyone I saw previously estimate.

He might think the military destruction saves him but I can't see it

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They are moving through it and no doubt they have dealt a big blow to Hamas but as soon as Israel leave they will regroup and begin all over again. Given a two state solution is officially off the table per Israeli Govt comments, it seems like there is now no pathway for Palestine beyond taking up arms.

The whole thing is horrendous and the West has been complicit in allowing things to get so bad (not just 7/10 but the overall failure of the peace process).

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Originally Posted by neil7908

They are moving through it and no doubt they have dealt a big blow to Hamas but as soon as Israel leave they will regroup and begin all over again. Given a two state solution is officially off the table per Israeli Govt comments, it seems like there is now no pathway for Palestine beyond taking up arms.

The whole thing is horrendous and the West has been complicit in allowing things to get so bad (not just 7/10 but the overall failure of the peace process).

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I don't think they will regroup to even a tenth of their size this decade. They had the freedom to make an immense tunnel network stocked with weapons. Most of both will be destroyed. Almost all military capacity will be wiped out, along with 20% of peoples homes shockingly. I can see similar happening to what happened to isis.

Israel will push for a puppet as long as its not the Palestinian Authority. They won't stop the ideology and hate towards them, it will obviously grow after the genocide we've seen and will see. They have been committing constant crimes against the public for decades, that won't change they will probably have more freedom to

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

I don't think they will regroup to even a tenth of their size this decade. They had the freedom to make an immense tunnel network stocked with weapons. Most of both will be destroyed. Almost all military capacity will be wiped out, along with 20% of peoples homes shockingly. I can see similar happening to what happened to isis.

Israel will push for a puppet as long as its not the Palestinian Authority. They won't stop the ideology and hate towards them, it will obviously grow after the genocide we've seen and will see. They have been committing constant crimes against the public for decades, that won't change they will probably have more freedom to

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Support for Hamas in the Gaza Strip and occupied West Bank has increased dramatically since October 7th and support for Abbas and the Palestinian Authority is down to around 10%.

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Russia aren't fighting the US in direct combat, they are using all their might to have a stalemate with a country using 1970s equipment. Countries like Finland and Poland would walk through Russia in a week.
Iran are using their proxies to attack the US quite openly in Iraq and they funded the Hamas slaughter on Oct 7th pretty openly too, they won't fight head on, more likely doing nuclear deals together same with Qatar.

Israel will take out Hamas via thousands more civilians then pull out and the world will forget about it as they continue to resettle and steal land.

This isn't new they have been doing it for decades. Although Putin stole Crimea committed genocide on the local Tatars resettled millions of people in Crimea and people didn't say a word, not one march. Assad openly gassed his on people flattened Aleppo and killed thousands of children doing it, no marches there either.

Venezuela is currently trying to conquer half of Guyana and I don't any nation will do anything either

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Top Israeli officials are now totally open about being against a 2-state solution, and are flirting with idea of 'Greater Israel' extending into and actually swallowing Jordan.

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

Top Israeli officials are now totally open about being against a 2-state solution, and are flirting with idea of 'Greater Israel' extending into and actually swallowing Jordan.

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Other top official said they want to nuke Gaza, thankfully there's a parliament and neither will happen just idiots spouting like our 50p Lee. Netanyahus far right government will be voted out

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

Support for Hamas in the Gaza Strip and occupied West Bank has increased dramatically since October 7th and support for Abbas and the Palestinian Authority is down to around 10%.

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It may do but Hamas will no longer have a complex military system they will be a shadow of what they were for decades to come, see ISIS who many said couldn't be defeated. The ideology wasn't defeated but they are a little gorilla group rather than a country

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

It may do but Hamas will no longer have a complex military system they will be a shadow of what they were for decades to come, see ISIS who many said couldn't be defeated. The ideology wasn't defeated but they are a little gorilla group rather than a country

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Probably about right.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Probably about right.

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😂


https://turnerproofreading.com/gorilla-vs-guerrilla/#:~:text=They're%20not%20the%20same,unexpectedly%2 0without%20declaring%20war%20first.


You say Gorilla, I say guerilla. Let's call the whole thing off.

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It may do but Hamas will no longer have a complex military system they will be a shadow of what they were for decades to come, see ISIS who many said couldn't be defeated. The ideology wasn't defeated but they are a little gorilla group rather than a country

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I think this is going to go on long after Gaza has been reduced to rubble and the Israelis have left. I feel there will be more armed resistance in the occupied west bank

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I think this is going to go on long after Gaza has been reduced to rubble and the Israelis have left. I feel there will be more armed resistance in the occupied west bank

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Definitely unfortunately, orphans won't forget. Can't see peace in my lifetime were a long way away from northern Ireland for example. Things have got worse this year but there wasn't really a path for true freedom for the Palestinians pre 2023

Israel shoots dead 3 of their own (Hamas hostages) which confirms they are just shooting anything that moves.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Israel shoots dead 3 of their own (Hamas hostages) which confirms they are just shooting anything that moves.

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“During combat in Shujayea, the [Israeli army] mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat. As a result, the troops fired toward them and they were killed,” the army said in a statement.

or he could have said were shot and killed as was the intention.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Israel shoots dead 3 of their own (Hamas hostages) which confirms they are just shooting anything that moves.

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Disgusting. Shows what they think of the local population

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Israel shoots dead 3 of their own (Hamas hostages) which confirms they are just shooting anything that moves.

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As one of them waved a white flag. That shows exactly the attitude of some Israelis towards Palestinians.

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

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As one of them waved a white flag. That shows exactly the attitude of some Israelis towards Palestinians.

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Yup - shoot anything that moves. I'm shocked they actually admitted this one.

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Originally Posted by neil7908

Yup - shoot anything that moves. I'm shocked they actually admitted this one.

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And just to make sure, they shot the injured hostage again after hearing cries for help (in Hebrew)

IDF spokesman says they will take no action against the soldier and will support him.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

And just to make sure, they shot the injured hostage again after hearing cries for help (in Hebrew)

IDF spokesman says they will take no action against the soldier and will support him.

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Because he thought he was shooting surrendering Palestinians? Very noble.

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

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Because he thought he was shooting surrendering Palestinians? Very noble.

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Even the Tories are calling for a ceasefire now. Starmer must really love what he is seeing.[emoji35]


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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Disgusting. Shows what they think of the local population

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I'm not sure it does. I wouldn't want to be an Israeli conscript in Gaza. Every object could be an improvised explosive device, every building could house snipers, around every corner could be a trap, every person could be a ploy to make them let down their guard. Fatigue, fear and many other factors will also have an influence on how the soldiers react to different situations.

Of course all that doesn't excuse what's happening, but I doubt that your average Israeli soldier is a bloodthirsty maniac. The blame for what we're seeing unfold in front of us is entirely the fault of the Israeli and Hamas leadership.

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Because he thought he was shooting surrendering Palestinians? Very noble.

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Or because his actions were in line with Israel's hannibal directive

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

Or because his actions were in line with Israel's hannibal directive

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It certainly was, although I was under the impression that such a practice had ceased.

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

It certainly was, although I was under the impression that such a practice had ceased.

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they say so, but i don't really trust anything the current Israeli regime says tbh.

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

they say so, but i don't really trust anything the current Israeli regime says tbh.

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I can understand that. If they told me today was Monday I would check the calendar

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I'm not sure it does. I wouldn't want to be an Israeli conscript in Gaza. Every object could be an improvised explosive device, every building could house snipers, around every corner could be a trap, every person could be a ploy to make them let down their guard. Fatigue, fear and many other factors will also have an influence on how the soldiers react to different situations.

Of course all that doesn't excuse what's happening, but I doubt that your average Israeli soldier is a bloodthirsty maniac. The blame for what we're seeing unfold in front of us is entirely the fault of the Israeli and Hamas leadership.

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The Israeli army on Saturday declared its soldiers guilty of the killings of three Israeli hostages in Gaza who were held by Hamas following preliminary investigations, citing them for acting outside the rules of engagement.
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"An Israeli force began to advance towards the building, hearing the detainee inside crying for help in Hebrew (save me). The leader of the force asked him to come out at that point, but as soon as he did, an Israeli soldier opened fire on him from close range, killing him," according to the investigation

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east...-probe/3084538

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

The Israeli army on Saturday declared its soldiers guilty of the killings of three Israeli hostages in Gaza who were held by Hamas following preliminary investigations, citing them for acting outside the rules of engagement.
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"An Israeli force began to advance towards the building, hearing the detainee inside crying for help in Hebrew (save me). The leader of the force asked him to come out at that point, but as soon as he did, an Israeli soldier opened fire on him from close range, killing him," according to the investigation

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east...-probe/3084538

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Not sure what your point is Keith.