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Figures I have read have been around £7-14k range. I can see why especially if you need new rads.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Undermines the whole article when you are exaggerating the figures to make the two options seem miles apart.
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Read the Average in the uk is £8,000 to £18,000, ground source £14,500 to £45,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
These will almost all be houses his article is about flats and I've read that will be 30k plus just now. All they number are without double glazing and insulation.
I'd go as far as saying they are financially a no go for tenements. I've yet to see what we do instead. Can community heating work. It works in some offices and university campuses and great in Scandinavia. Would take a lot of legislation but we have roof works that get shared ect. But would people who have just paid for a new boiler be happy
No easy options. We definitely need a suite of plans, what harvey doesn't seem to get.
I can agree that they might not work in every situation but that applies to gas boilers as well. It does feel like this is a campaign to undermine something that will work in the majority of Scottish homes though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
If it doesn’t work in tenements then fine, we will need to come up with a different solution there but in the meantime if a heat pump works for your house then go for it.
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That's two separate arguments. The idiots that say they don't work full stop, when they are clearly the best option for say 70% of homes. They should be compulsory for new builds and people in the majority of homes going forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The counter is the people that say they are fine for everywhere and that's it. Closing off the thinking is pushing down the problem of what we do with the hundreds of thousands of homes. Is it electric storage, hydrogen, community heating. The other option is do nothing and fingers crossed things change in the future attitude
43,000 kids many taking long hall flights to s Korea for the scouts jamboree. The have to make other sleeping arrangements due to campsite being to hot for a heatwave. Do they not see the connection.
My nephew is away to America for skiing in the winter with his school. Europe mustn't have slopes.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...scout-jamboree
https://twitter.com/thescotsman/stat...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Another special interest group comes out against net zero.
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technically, it's the plan, i.e. the means of getting there, rather than the concept of 'net zero' itself, that they are opposing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Everybody is down with the concept. Even the tories say that. Eventually you need to put things into practice though. That’s when you find out who is really up for it. Easiest thing in the world to set targets. Taking action to achieve those targets is the tricky bit.Quote:
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...gn=Social_Flow
Article explains why UK has reduced emission by de-industrialising.
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https://x.com/lesleyriddoch/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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I just got home from 3 weeks uk holiday, it actually was painful to throw recyclables in the bin because I've become so accustomed to bringing my recyclables back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Are there recycling bins in town? I can't recall ever seeing them. Just general waste/everything bins.
It's probably the only time I don't recycle versus when I'm at home or work, and it's not very often either, but it feels like a simple solution to at least a chunk of the problem.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66749344
SG gets a hard time for selling licenses too cheap but at least they get built.
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Greek floods: 3 years’ worth of rain fell within two days.
I keep saying it but until we get public transport infrastructure sorted then we are never going to get people out their cars.
I was meeting someone with work in Fife on Friday, decided I'd take the train and leave the car at home. £19.20 for a return to Glenrothes (a peak fare so I'm assuming the freeze on them was scrapped). 2 carriages, train was filthy and rammed the whole way. Went to get the train home and it was cancelled so had to hang about for 40 minutes. Later that night I went to the pub to watch the Scotland game, could have taken the car as I wasn't drinking but walked up. Left the pub when the bus tracker app said 6 minutes. Got to the bus stop, tracker counted down to due then just reset to 38 minutes. Started to walk, took me 45 minutes and no bus passed me on the way. My mate said he waited an hour as the next bus didn't show either. Finally back in Fife yesterday, return journey from Lochgelly to Rosyth was cancelled so a 20 minute train journey became a 75 minute bus journey.
None of that was that big a deal for me on these occasions but if you want people to rely on public transport to get kids to school, get to work and just generally get about their lives then it has to be a damn site better (and cheaper) than that. The train cancellations are a constant now.
They should bring in a congestion charge and spend every penny on public transport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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I don’t even believe we have the public transport infrastructure or volume to cope if everyone started using public transport. As you said, the train was rammed, what would happen if many more people said ‘yeah, I’ll leave the car and use the train’, it’s just not feasible.
To add to your excellent points, there’s also the knock on affect on other people. A train gets cancelled or bus doesn’t turn up - how does a parent get to their childcare to collect their children? The carers are then left to either change/cancel their plans, or leave a child unattended (unlikely), the child/parent/carer isn’t able to partake in activities that were planned, which could then have a knock on affect on the businesses and individuals that run those activities.
Or if the person now made late is part of the fire brigade, police, or paramedic, or doctor, or nurse, and someone else’s health is put in jeopardy. We don’t have enough of these people to just expect that someone else will be able to cover.
Because public transport is privately owned, it’s major focus will always be profit before public need
Lothian buses are public owned, scotrail tooQuote:
Originally Posted by McD
Edinburgh public transport isn’t too bad but it’s going to need a lot more capacity if we are to get people out of cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Thinking out the box here, wild, but could the train operators put an extra carriage on the train? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
That's the obvious answer, but I've often seen Scotrail on Twitter apologising for short trains, because of a lack of available rolling stock. Obviously needs to be some investment there before capacity can be easily be increased.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I watched a TV programme with Mel Geidroyc and Martin Clunes in Dorset and they got on one of those private steam trains. More carriages and comfier seats than Scotrail.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Lothian is great, looking forward to new tram lines. Scotrail is awful as all rail in the UK, price is utterly ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
There are good train services in Yorkshire, return from glasshoughton to Leeds costs less than a single from pitlochry to Perth for a similar distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Thanks, wasn’t totally sure about Lothian buses, and completely forgot about scotrail.
I agree that within Edinburgh, public transport is reasonable, it’s a massive drop off outwith the city in my experience
Whilst I appreciate the point if not the sarcasm, why don’t these train operators do that at the moment? Or for the years that this has been the case. Perhaps the wild suggestion should be made to them, it’s maybe never occurred to dozens of senior people over decades :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I see another poster has responded to this point in regards to available carriage stock, but that goes back to my point about profit before service. The cost of train travel in Scotland is very high, yet the quality of service is generally awful. A day return from Livingston to Edinburgh costs what would be 3+ trips by car, and the passenger isn’t forced to sit on a smelly, always very warm, dirty carriage that is 50/50 at best to turn up on time.
I give scotgov no criticism about scotrail, the issues have been there for a very long time, and will take time to unpick and improve, but I look forward to seeing what they can do.
France to join Germany in making month train passes €49. Amazing. You could get a few returns in some cases for that from Scotrail
https://www.euronews.com/travel/2023...tschlandticket
I’ve used the train a few times in france and have also picked up family travelling to my house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Ever single train has been on time and it’s always very reasonably priced.
Don't know what it's like in Edinburgh, but I see flooding in Stirling and it hasn't stopped raining since 3:30 today and not gentle rain either, my gravel drive is going to need repairs as it's a bit of a slope.
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Originally Posted by McD
Having had a moan about the costs of train travel, and linking to Scotrail being publicly owned, I think it’s right to give credit where it’s due and call this out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66795296
Whilst it’s only a trial, and not on every rail journey, it’s a step in the right direction of making it more affordable for people to use trains, and ScotGov deserve to be given the recognition. Some significant drops in costs to travellers here
3 returns to Glasgow is still more expensive than Germans and French pay for a months pass, Edinburgh to Glasgow month pass is £400. Would take big investment to match them but its certainly the way forward, unfortunately I think our population would say where's the money come from not why is the planet warming