Fair play to the SG for having the lowest level of homelessness in the UK. Will likely be all over the news tonight that.[emoji106][emoji849]Quote:
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Fair play to the SG for having the lowest level of homelessness in the UK. Will likely be all over the news tonight that.[emoji106][emoji849]Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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..and all I called her was a grifter.. nothing overboard...the world would seem a little kinder to her if she had resigned on the spot given the mood at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Not even similar he was complaining about personal insults, the whole thing about he must be at the shops in particular. Where this is someone putting an opinion that she might have only travelled because she had to go to Westminster. When the fact is she went to the gym and hairdressers whilst waiting for a result before she even travelled to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Cummings was disgusting and could have cost people there lives when not isolating, ferries the same. As others have said its really indefensible. Just because the tories were acting like **** bags at the same time is irregardless, the rest of us were following the rules
I'm confused .. the post I think you're talking about they say it was wrong to travel and only wondered if the fact she had to travel for work may have impacted her attitude overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
FWIW, Westminster had been operating remotely for a bit if MPs desired, it was only later on that JRM put his foot down... it may even be after this particular event so has no bearing on it at all.
I said I hadn't been following it closely - yet another part of my post that was roundly ignored by all subsequent posters. So, I don't know whether this event took place before or after JRM enforced attendance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
My point was simply about whether it was helpful for JRM to require attendance when most other office based jobs were WFH.
I think JRM demanded full return to the HoC in March or April of 2021. Ferrier had a prepared speech to deliver at a debate on the 28th September if I remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
No excuses but she said she felt OK. She still ignored the advice to isolate.
It's two separate things. It isn't good that he was pushing people in. Totally separate to that she was disgusting in going to the gym, hairdressers and getting presents for her friend. This is after she had a test because of feeling unwell and before she travelled to work.Quote:
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Even without that fact she wouldn't of had to go down to London if she was waiting for a result, people were joining debates by video link most of the way through the pandemic.
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:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
He wanted it but there was still video links this year. Regardless she wouldn't have had to travel to work if waiting for the result of a test. Even more regardless is she was going about before she even travelled to London.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
It was September 2020 that she committed the crimeQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Oops. May have got my timeline wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Notwithstanding, put yourself in her shoes, have a point to make in a debate, (I don't know what about) and have prepared a speech. Do you abandon the opportunity knowing that, despite feeling fine, you shouldn't travel?
Yup, you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Yes. I also wouldn't go to the gym or a haircut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
This isn't an snp action its one person's selfish decision.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/...-arrangements/
Just so we know what level of attendance was expected by JRM
So she could have given her statements remotely in line with public health guidelines. Regardless of work just as big was going shopping for friends ect when she had symptoms and was waiting a resultQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Ok in her shoes in the middle of a pandemic…feeling Ill, tested positive for Covid 19, then travels on public transport …. Worse than Cummings in my book…as he traveled in a private car….Quote:
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I agree. There is no defence for this behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
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Indeed. What happened to that MP Peter Gibson who got a train home from London to Darlington so he could isolate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yup.. bang on... :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
He got away with it because it was before the first lockdown and there was no rules yet I think. Although was there not another tory who went shopping while waiting for results. All these are individual cases like ferrier and I don't think you can blame the parties. Talking of parties you can blame the tories for having weekly yeehaas while the rest of us tried our best to stick to the rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Wasn't there also an MP who travelled from London to a manor house in Buckinghamshire when he was supposed to be isolating?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Or attend church, including giving a reading to the congregation, followed by two hours in a bar. The list of excursions she took is extraordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
There are no excuses or mitigating factors for what she did. If she was a Tory doubt you'd even ask the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
If only they'd read your first line, they might have been able to help. But no. They think you're making a political point, and jump all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
How's it political. People of all parties are saying its disgraceful. Boris and Cummings has been brought up as well as tories that have done things. If anything it's not political as you cant blame the snp. I think the ones trying to find mitigating factors are the only ones playing political sidesQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Anyone reading his post, after this first line would understand that he wasn't following the story, and yet you say he was trying to defend her. He wasn't. As far as I can see he was trying to understand the story, not to defend anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
You'd made your mind up.
Nobody failed to read the first line. It's the second line and its laughable (in the sense that it made me laugh when I read it) attempt to pin the blame for her behaviour on Rees-Mogg that's the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Sometimes it's OK to just accept that somebody with connections to the SNP did something wrong without trying to shoehorn the Tories into it.
You seem to have read the second line without noticing that it was a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Sometimes you need to understand what a question looks like.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
To answer your question no it was nothing to do with the tories or mogg, as she could have worked remotely. It was completely her fault, as she gallivanted about town whilst positive with a killer disease pre vaccination. I'm sure you'd agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Done to death. Her fault totally disgusting actions, but nothing to do with the snp directly
Can the NHS strike?
@UniteScotland
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Our members in NHS Scotland have rejected the 5% pay offer from the Scottish Government and have voted to take strike action in a consultative ballot.
We will now be preparing an industrial action ballot for our members
Nobody seriously believes the question was asked as anything more than a lame attempt to apportion blame to the Tories. When the opening sentence of a post states 'I haven't been following this story' any subsequent question to be asked might be along the lines of 'can anyone fill me in on the details?', not a poorly veiled attempt at deflection.Quote:
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Absolutely. There are no redeeming factors at play here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Had she resigned I might have had a degree of sympathy, based on an assumption she was bitterly regretting a really stupid mistake. However, her reckless behaviour and seeming total absence of remorse leave no room for any sort of compassion.
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
You seem to know better what I meant than I do. And I wrote it.
You seem much happier attacking the man/woman rather that what he actually said. Now that it's been pointed out to you that he didn't actually say what you thought he did, you've gone and done a reverse Tory and claim that what he/she said was taken out of context. Surely he/she will know better than you what they meant.Quote:
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Depends how you view it i suppose.Quote:
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This is good news. The Scottish Govt being asked to account for all its CV19 spending. I take it that means all uk govts will be doing the same.
https://twitter.com/MrKeenan0/status...x0Z_s9BQw&s=19
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About as close to zero chance as you can get. Even in that article she is giving it the ‘poor me’ routine. No leader ever does that.Quote:
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Any evidence of any ministers pub landlords being awarded multi million pound contracts to supply PPE that mostly didn't work?Quote:
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Far too divisive also. Need to be be a little central to lead independence movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I don't have much a problem with much of what she's saying there tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Contested leadership contests are good and the SNP look to be desperately short of leadership candidates.
Times change, people mellow. Whilst she's certainly not flavour of the month right now, that might change over time. She's certainly a very intelligent and formidable person and the gender debate might change in nature over time so someone with her beliefs finds themselves either 'in the right" or cancelled altogether.
And it's not necessarily always about middle ground and submitting to majorities. If she were to become leader it might be much more about taking it in a particular direction and asking "who is with me"?
It’s not really about policy, not even the trans issue. She just isn’t a people person and is too adversarial to take people with her.Quote:
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I’m not sure how SNP leadership elections work but it’s fair to say her chances are diminished if she doesn’t enjoy the support of her parliamentary colleagues.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MartynMcL...55612230647809
@MartynMcL
EXCL Recruitment firms controlled by Lord Ashcroft, the billionaire Tory donor, have been paid £7m+ by
@scotgov
& £14m+ by Scotland's crisis-hit NHS since 2019. Ashcroft's firms received £40m+ from Scottish public bodies
My
@scotonsunday
story: https://scotsman.com/news/politics/b...rnment-3813190
Thread👇
His article would have merit if it gave any background into the procurement process and how the offer from these providers sat in the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
The article points out quite clearly it was contingent workers during pandemic. Some sort of analysis of the cost of the Scottish government and NHS dealing with the recruitment and payroll process compared to using an agency would be helpful.
Without any of that it's really just uninformed chutney.
It's probably not possible to procure much these days at that level without it somehow touching some tory bigwig.Quote:
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I'd also be very surprised if an official procurement procedure was followed. Audit Scotland will tell us in the future if that wasn't the case however I doubt we'll hear that it's dodgy.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/crime/...-women-3818164
Another sex pest
Sex pests are abhorrent in any shape or form, but using stories like this to try and score cheap political points seems a bit silly to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
*I don't have time to search for the details but I'm sure there's another poster on here ( I think from memory he claims to be ex Police or something along those lines) and he seems to always be first to post stories like this.
It's almost as if he takes great delight in searching for sex pest stories which contain an SNP involvement, however flimsy that involvement may be, so he can then post it on here.
Strange behaviour, but that's seems to be his thing.
You've beat him to it this time though.
GGTTH
Whoever do you mean? Sounds like a real Percy Sugden. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Eaststand
You probably mean me… so obviously now you are suggesting if anything that appears on a newsfeed, that does not show the SNP in a shining light, should not be reposted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eaststand
How does this case show the SNP in a bad light?Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
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Another SNP Party member behaving like a Sex Pest after party business is hardly a beacon of virtue….Quote:
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Did the SNP condone the behaviour?Quote:
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There is regular baiting and disgust when there is a story of a tory sex pest. They have nothing to do with Conservatives as a party and either do the stories about snp people caught doing the same
I very much doubt it, all I have read is what was in the article and I assume he was required to resign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I agree except when the party is seen to condone the behaviour or help cover it up. That happens a lot with the Tories. Less so with the SNP. Although Grady wasn’t handled properly.Quote:
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I'm suggesting nothing even remotely close to what you just said, but I think you already know that.Quote:
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I'd say anyone who can read this forum is likely to be more than capable of reading their own news stories and forming their own opinions of sex pests, or indeed of any other topic.
Im always glad when criminals especially sex predators are
caught and dealt with, I'm sure any reasonable person would be.
I just find it a bit weird that there are people with what could probably be called an obsession, trawling around the internet looking for sex pest stories to try and score cheap political points.
I actually can't recall the username of the person that I referred to in my original post, but if you're a guy who continually searches for sex pest stories with any supposed SNP links, even made up links, to post the stories on this forum then I suppose it could be you.
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It’s even worse when it’s football teams.Quote:
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I don’t trawl or search, stories pop up on newsfeed and like many on here I share on this board. But again you were straight on the defence, with the tactic of attacking the poster, namely me, as an obsessive for sharing a link at the same time condemning the action of sex pest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eaststand
I know you're ex forces and I enjoy reading your well balanced posts, but it's def not you that I was referring to in my original post 👍Quote:
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GGTTH
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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
I've got things to do so I'll make this my last post on this topic.
I read quite a lot of sports/ news and current affairs online but I don't get any popups about sex pests.
We are obviously miles apart on what we consider to be normal news reading material or forum posting behaviour.
Anyway, I'll keep my eyes peeled for the next story about sex pests that you post on here after it pops up in your news feed.
GGTTH
He resigned in 2018 after giving someone a slap. He was an independent since then and bumped by the electorate not long after IIRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
He was also given short shift on here for having a go at Hibs a few years ago for not paying staff the living wage. It wasn't true, he just never bothered finding out before he went to the press.
His cafe on Easter Road was a miserable wee place. It's neither wonder it failed.
He seems to be a bit of an asshole.
I vaguely recall that account in the press about the allegation that Hibs were not paying staff the living wage…did not realise it was the same person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
It's not a story you'd have to search very hard for. It's on the front page of the Evening News and was on Forth news earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eaststand
Who on earth has the EEN on their newsfeed?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
It was hardly an obscure story it was everywhere. Politicians getting up to no good has always been news, big scandals of the past are still brought up now. But as others have said parties can't be held responsible for their actions, only for their handling of the matterQuote:
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Me…I have the Scotsman for Edinburgh News and EEN for Hibs news….Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Worth a look
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/
I don't have a 'newsfeed' but the Evening News front page is easily enough spotted along with the rest of the papers when you're in a local shop or supermarket.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I like your approach tho...if I can't see a story a story I don't like it doesn't exist ;-)
Agreeing again.... sheesh! :-/Quote:
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:greengrin
I think that a big problem in our society we all (me included) tend to go to news sources that reflect our world view, problem with that is it begins to amplify people's outlooks in a particular angle.
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I don't read the News because it's a rubbish paper. I don't even know where its politics lie. In the past the News used to be a nice local paper, but it's been poor for many years.Quote:
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It came out neutral on indyref.Quote:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/scotyoung...-fire-27859568
Scottish Young Greens
@scotyounggreens
The Scottish Government has made plans for a £10k mediation between anti-abortion protesters and those who have been subject to their harassment.
Alice Murray
@backoffscotland
was quoted in an article in The Scotsman, "As someone who has been through clinic harassment, I would be really interested to know who would want to sign up to this, who would want to speak to them as I know I wouldn’t."
The Scottish Young Greens believes this will provide anti-abortion protestors with another platform to target people who have used abortion services. This is a waste of money, time and will most likely cause more destress for users of these services
This comes in the wake of a recent consultation run by MSP
@GillianMacMSP
which received over 12,000 responses. The results are currently being analysed and will be used to form a bill for buffer zones around healthcare facilitates that provide abortion services
https://twitter.com/scotexpress/stat..._1W5WAK4zJODAg
Scotrail wanted to bring back the alcohol rules pre covid recently but the SG have banned it completely.
https://deanmthomson.substack.com/p/...m_medium=email
SNP CUTS CAUSE DRUG DEATHS DISASTER
Nicola Sturgeon’s government cut funding for drug and alcohol services from £114mto £53m 2007-2019 and slashed £47m (real terms) to alcohol and drug partnerships
I'm sure his insight will be fair and unbiased.Quote:
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His regular topics focus on Scottish and Glaswegian politics, identity, nationalism, socio-economic inequalities and political corruption. He has written a series of articles investigating allegations against the Scottish National Party (SNP) concerning an allegedly missing ring fenced independence referendum fund.
I don't get it, to be honest you don't have to read past the first couple of paragraphs to see it has truth to it. If you deny that massive drug spending cut won't me a major part in drug death increase, then your too far down the snp rabbit hole to be impartialQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
It's all about allocating spend, balancing priorities, I guess. The Peter & Paul thing you were talking about the other day. Don't complain if Peter loses out because you've allocated his money elsewhere, specially if Paul is someone you support.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
If allocation means the worst off die in their droves then give done it wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Easy to sit on the sidelines and criticise. I'm sure these are very difficult decisions for a Government to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Cheerleading that. You better not stand on the sidelines and criticise uk gov then. Surely we need to as public hold our leaders to taskQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Absolutely. I just don't think it's as simple as your earlier post implied. There will be many policy choices that result in more or less people dying. Look at Johnson's decision to delay lockdown, widely thought to have resulted in 21,000 more deaths than might have been the case otherwise.Quote:
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Audit Scotland aren't quite so critical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
ETA
Drug and alcohol services: An update - Audit Scotland
8 Mar 2022*—*The Scottish. Government has provided additional investment over the last few years for new initiatives, including a drug deaths taskforce
Here's the link, it's a pdf.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.audit-scotland.gov.uk/uploads/docs/report/2022/briefing_220308_drugs_alcohol.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjPi8W F8YD6AhW7QEEAHSl8AGQQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2W9jsJzM vtmrS1Y7u9uq7X
No one including the snp have denied drug funding has been cut. I'm sure they have invested in new initiatives but that means not muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack
How do you know this? Are you a specialist in drug treatment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It means, as Audit Scotland says, it will take time to evaluate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It means not much as in overall funding is way down, so one new course could be great but overall funding is still down.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
The proof is in the coffins
Wow. I'm out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I know depressing but true. The stats are really vile, should be front and centre of the news until its sortedQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
270 hours community payback for Margaret Ferrier, seems like a sensible sentence to me.
Some on here would have had her hung, drawn and quartered.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It’s probably about right. Unfortunately she keeps her job because of the crazy system we have. Very stupid woman who thought rules didn’t apply to her.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Quite fortunate to avoid a short custodial sentence, which would at least have compelled her to resign. I'd say the shame of the sentencing is probably punishment enough but she clearly has an extremely thick skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Interested in this. Do you really think this sort of crime is worthy of a custodial sentence? What purpose would that serve?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
It’s nowhere near close enough to being worthy of a custodial sentence. I’d say they got this one about right.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
We use custodial sentences too much as it is.
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I don't personally think it would have been appropriate but it was certainly being mooted as an option among court reporters and a lot of the headlines are along the lines of 'avoids jail sentence' eg:Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/former-snp-mp-margaret-ferrier-avoids-jail-sentence-as-she-receives-community-payback-order-for-covid-trips-3841322
I'm mostly just appalled by her brass neck.
Of course the Scotsman is going to "demand" a jail sentence! It is catnip for their anti-SNP agenda. Doesn't matter that it makes no sense for this to be a custodial sentence, it is just red meat for the unionist readership. "Lock her up"! Where have we heard that before?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Did King Charlie not travel to Scotland whilst positive for covid? I seem to recall people asking why him and his entourage were coming to Scotland at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Fortunate you say.
Why is it always snp for or against. I think everyone thought her swanning around the uk (in the gym restaurant ect after a test), was absolutely vile. This was pre vaccination when she could easily have cost lives. But bar a few people who only see party politics, all also found Cummings actions vile and the governments partiesQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
It's just more proof that the political class think they are above us all