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16-01-2012, 12:04 AM
Haymaker

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Yeah, he's a had one bad game stats wise, that REALLy proves your point, doesnt it? :rolleyes:

If you don't understand why Tebow is a good quarterback, you dont understand the game.

How is he a good quarterback?

He won a few games in a row, mostly at the last gasp. He played the patriots and was destroyed. They lost the two games after that too and IIRC correctly he lost them poorly. He beat the Steelers, and played well, I will give him that. He plays the patriots again and looked like a lost lamb for most of the game.

His throwing is almost non existent, he might be able to scramble but the fact he runs mostly backwards when pressed (29yard sack anyone?) shows he doesnt know that sometimes you should just throw the ball away. The patriots have one of the worst rush defences in the league and we force him to 14 negative plays yet he is some kind of running god?

The steelers did nothing against the broncos option plays and paid the price. That doesnt make him a good QB.
16-01-2012, 12:07 AM
Haymaker

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Originally Posted by Sergio sledge

something tells me you enjoyed last night quite a bit!:greengrin

:agree:

However tonight sucks because I do not want us to meet the Giants...
16-01-2012, 12:10 AM
DH1875

A well, 49ers v Ravens Superbowl it is then.
16-01-2012, 12:45 AM
Haymaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by DH1875

A well, 49ers v Ravens Superbowl it is then.

We'll see... we'll see... :greengrin
16-01-2012, 11:06 AM
Sylar

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Originally Posted by Haymaker

We'll see... we'll see... :greengrin

I have to say, that was my first thought when I seen the scores this morning.

I just can't see us handling Baltimore at all, though I'm clinging to the small nugget that Flacco is far from an elite QB.

I still fancy either the Giants or 49'ers would beat EITHER of the remaining AFC teams anyway.
16-01-2012, 11:23 AM
Gatecrasher

i dont know why but i knew the Giants would do that to the Packers last night, i think everyone just thought because of Aaron Rodgers that we would roll over everyone, The Defense has been shocking all season and when i watched them Hammer Atlanta last week i just knew our time was up
16-01-2012, 11:52 AM
Sylar

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

i dont know why but i knew the Giants would do that to the Packers last night, i think everyone just thought because of Aaron Rodgers that we would roll over everyone, The Defense has been shocking all season and when i watched them Hammer Atlanta last week i just knew our time was up

I didn't really gauge just how bad your defense was until last night! The only team who prevented us from being last in the league!

Would have been quite funny to see you make the Superbowl and would have been really interesting if we also had made it, as you would have seen the 2 statistically worst defenses in the NFL being the last 2 teams standing - wonder if that's ever happened before? It's already unusual enough that both of us took the respective #1 seeds for the respective conferences.
16-01-2012, 12:04 PM
Gatecrasher

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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

I didn't really gauge just how bad your defense was until last night! The only team who prevented us from being last in the league!

Would have been quite funny to see you make the Superbowl and would have been really interesting if we also had made it, as you would have seen the 2 statistically worst defenses in the NFL being the last 2 teams standing - wonder if that's ever happened before? It's already unusual enough that both of us took the respective #1 seeds for the respective conferences.

I think one of the commentators said last night that no team with a 32nd ranked defense had ever reached the superbowl. I'm sure they also said that packers were the worst passing defense in nfl history followed by the patriots (I'm not sure if I heard that one right though)

It would have been great to see Rodgers and Brady go to town on each defense though :greengrin
16-01-2012, 02:51 PM
Dashing Bob S

Felt sorry for Rodgers, he's had a flawless season, but had a real nightmare by his standards. Nonetheless, the Giants defended well against a GB offense which has gone off the boil lately. Green Bat were so dominant in the season, but peaked to early. History shows its better to do what they did last season, and sneak in on the wild card, peaking in post-season.

I've predicted San Francisco all along (check early posts!) and I'm going for them to beat a boring but effective New York at Candlestick and then trump the Patriots who should dispose of the Broncos in the American conference.

Thoughts?
16-01-2012, 02:55 PM
Haymaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

i dont know why but i knew the Giants would do that to the Packers last night, i think everyone just thought because of Aaron Rodgers that we would roll over everyone, The Defense has been shocking all season and when i watched them Hammer Atlanta last week i just knew our time was up

I had the same feeling, as soon as they got the Pack I knew they would win. Eli Manning is far from the best QB in the league but he sure as hell shows up in a pinch and in the big games. Do NOT want to play them in the 'bowl.
16-01-2012, 02:56 PM
Haymaker

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

the Patriots who should dispose of the Broncos in the American conference.

Thoughts?

Already done and dusted... :cb
16-01-2012, 03:13 PM
The_Exile

Football is for Giants!! But I'm a Lions fan, so that makes no sense, anyway that was sweet viewing last night, I think most people secretly knew that the Giants would turn up for this one and Green Bay would not, Defense wins Superbowls (which is statistically incorrect but sounds nice), Green Bay have some tremendous Defensive players but as a unit have been utterly woeful this year.

Superbowl will be Ravens (who will go to town on the Pats for various reasons) against the Giants, the Giants have a fair number of Veteran players who will see this as their last shot at glory, whereas the 9ers have a pretty young team who are still growing into the game and Harbaugh's way of doing things (although they're doing damn fine so far!), so for that reason, Ravens v Giants in Indy for me.
18-01-2012, 11:56 AM
Gatecrasher

its rubbish the NFC chanpionship game is on so late. I will just watch the AFC one then off to bed. Will defo be watching the Superbowl though :thumbsup:. My ideal Superbowl out of the teams left would be Giants V Patriots.
18-01-2012, 12:20 PM
Sylar

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

its rubbish the NFC chanpionship game is on so late. I will just watch the AFC one then off to bed. Will defo be watching the Superbowl though :thumbsup:. My ideal Superbowl out of the teams left would be Giants V Patriots.

I'd have been livid had we been the late game again! Had to record last Saturday's vs Denver so happy that we're the early game this week!

I'd like to see New England vs San Francisco, but I have to say, regardless to which team emerges from the AFC Championship game (I'm starting develop a little confidence) I reckon the NFC representative (be it the Giants or 49'ers) will win the Superbowl.
18-01-2012, 04:23 PM
Haymaker

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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

I'd have been livid had we been the late game again! Had to record last Saturday's vs Denver so happy that we're the early game this week!

I'd like to see New England vs San Francisco, but I have to say, regardless to which team emerges from the AFC Championship game (I'm starting develop a little confidence) I reckon the NFC representative (be it the Giants or 49'ers) will win the Superbowl.

I think our Defense looked alot better on sunday, a few players are coming back from injury at the right time IIRC.

Still, Julian Edelman should get a special mention this season regardless, seems to have played every position possible and has been pretty decent.
18-01-2012, 07:31 PM
DH1875

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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

I'd like to see New England vs San Francisco, but I have to say, regardless to which team emerges from the AFC Championship game (I'm starting develop a little confidence) I reckon the NFC representative (be it the Giants or 49'ers) will win the Superbowl.

I think you will get your wish :boo hoo:.

With a 49ers win though :thumbsup:.
19-01-2012, 06:44 PM
Gatecrasher

Just got an Email saying next years international series game will be announced tomorrow
19-01-2012, 06:52 PM
Haymaker

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

Just got an Email saying next years international series game will be announced tomorrow

Rumoured to be the New Jersey Jessies!
19-01-2012, 07:55 PM
Gatecrasher

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Originally Posted by Haymaker

Rumoured to be the New Jersey Jessies!

Any idea who against?
19-01-2012, 08:08 PM
Sylar

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Originally Posted by Haymaker

Rumoured to be the New Jersey Jessies!

I've heard a few rumours, but the Jets aren't one of them.

New England Patriots @ Jacksonville Jaguars is the one I've heard most. I actually hope not, as I get married in October and wouldn't be able to go! :greengrin
19-01-2012, 08:46 PM
James.

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Originally Posted by Haymaker

Rumoured to be the New Jersey Jessies!

The rumour doing the rounds is that it'll be Jets against the Rams.

Please let it be true!! Need some good news after a miserable season!
19-01-2012, 09:09 PM
DH1875

The talk is that there will be 2 games this year with the Pats at the Jags being one of them for sure.
19-01-2012, 10:21 PM
Haymaker

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Originally Posted by DH1875

The talk is that there will be 2 games this year with the Pats at the Jags being one of them for sure.

I heard they might do two games but I thought they were expanding to either A) Germany B)Mexico or C) Canada... though the bills play in canada sometimes IIRC?

Jets v Rams will be good but Pats v Jags would be annoying because I will be in NYC from July till November..!
20-01-2012, 01:05 PM
Dashing Bob S

The Giants are effective, but soooo boring. Hope 49er's sort em out.
20-01-2012, 01:18 PM
Sylar

October 28th, 2012 - New England Patriots @ St Louis Rams.

The Rams are confirmed to play London for the next 3 years, with oppositions to be confirmed going forward.

Looks like I'll need to convince the new wife to have a weekend in London after our wedding :greengrin
20-01-2012, 02:15 PM
Gatecrasher

Sounds like a decent match up TBH, the Rams are slowly improving imo
20-01-2012, 07:43 PM
DH1875

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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

The Rams are confirmed to play London for the next 3 years, with oppositions to be confirmed going forward.

This is the thing that I find strange. Are they that hard up or are they just using their Arsenal connections? Would have thought either the Jags or the Bucs would have been in line to do this ahead of the Rams as they'd be the most likely to be in the frame for a move to London. Can't see to many fans over here becoming Rams and at least with the other two you had the chance of seeing them when you go on the holidays to Florida. Also rules out the Jets coming over in the next 3 years if they are just going to stick to the one game a season :boo hoo:.
Wouldn't be happy if I were a native from St Louis that's for sure, especially when you look back in their history.
22-01-2012, 03:25 PM
DH1875

Please, please, please, Ravens win :pray:.
22-01-2012, 06:01 PM
Sylar

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Originally Posted by DH1875

Please, please, please, Ravens win :pray:.

I'm genuinely nervous ahead of this - not sure what to expect - if our D can replicate last week's performance, we might be OK.

What a terrible year it would be for you with a Michigan BCS Bowl win AND a Patriots Superbowl appearance - bad luck comes in threes though, so I'd be terrified of what that would mean for our one team in common :boo hoo:

See Tressel is interviewing for the Colts head coach position?
22-01-2012, 06:32 PM
DH1875

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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

I'm genuinely nervous ahead of this - not sure what to expect - if our D can replicate last week's performance, we might be OK.

What a terrible year it would be for you with a Michigan BCS Bowl win AND a Patriots Superbowl appearance - bad luck comes in threes though, so I'd be terrified of what that would mean for our one team in common :boo hoo:

See Tressel is interviewing for the Colts head coach position?

Makes sense since he's been working for them since he left us. Can't see him getting it though.

As for tonight, if I'm honest you guy's have it in the bag. Your D might not be the best but it's Flacco your up against so I wouldn't be losing any sleep. The Ravens strength is their D but with the weapons you guy's have I can't see it. Anyhow, I've no problem when you guy's make the Superbowl, it's only when you win it. If anything it makes it more fun. Instead of watching as a neutral I get really into it and get right behind the team your playing. Go 49ers :thumbsup:.
22-01-2012, 06:43 PM
Sylar

Certainly hope, if we DO get to the Superbowl (I don't share your confidence) it is against the 49'ers, as I like our chances against them more than the Giants.

I've said all along that I suspect the Superbowl winners will the NFC representatives, as it's been a stronger conference over the season.

Just want this to get started already!
22-01-2012, 06:48 PM
Haymaker

:panic:

LETS GET ON WITH THIS!

:panic:
22-01-2012, 06:56 PM
Sylar

Brad van Pelt just called us the New York Patriots.

**** you Bradley! :slipper:
22-01-2012, 07:06 PM
DH1875

What times kick off :confused:.
22-01-2012, 07:45 PM
Sylar

End of 1st: Baltimore 0-3 New England, but Baltimore look like they're about to get at least 3 here.

Turnover followed by a terrible defensive coverage, leads to the Ravens getting down to our 20.

Less confident now than I was when we started.
22-01-2012, 07:48 PM
Sylar

Baltimore 3-3 New England
22-01-2012, 07:58 PM
Sylar

Green-Ellis in for the TD.

Baltimore 3-10 New England
22-01-2012, 08:10 PM
Sylar

Tied up again - 10-10.

Our defense doesn't deserve to get the bloody Superbowl - if Flacco can find holes in it, it highlights just how bloody awful it is!
22-01-2012, 08:20 PM
Sylar

Baltimore 10-13 New England

Far from a shoot-out.
22-01-2012, 08:32 PM
Sylar

HT: Baltimore 10-13 New England

Battle of defenses really, which I find peculiar!
22-01-2012, 08:55 PM
Sylar

Another good drive leading to only a FG.

Baltimore 10-16 New England
22-01-2012, 09:11 PM
Sylar

Someone take our defense out the back of the stadium and ****ing shoot the lot of them.

I could do better than this!!!!!!!
22-01-2012, 09:12 PM
Sylar

Take your pick of either the facemask or out of bounds on the run and that TD should have been brought back.

17-16 Baltimore and they have the ball again.
22-01-2012, 09:20 PM
Sylar

Big sack on 3rd and goal to force a FG rather than a TD.

Baltimore 20-16 New England.

Wonder if my neighbours have called the police yet :greengrin
22-01-2012, 09:24 PM
Sylar

Someone needs to rip Pollards neck off his freaking head! WTF kind of tackle was that! Welker, Brady and now Gronkowski
22-01-2012, 09:32 PM
Sylar

If this gets pulled back and their go-ahead DIDN'T, I'm not going to be impressed.
22-01-2012, 09:34 PM
Sylar

The officials are screwing us here. Badly.
22-01-2012, 09:36 PM
Sylar

Finally.

Baltimore 20-23 New England.
22-01-2012, 09:50 PM
Sylar

What a waste of a turnover, turning it immediately back.

Baltimore both driving and running down the clock.
22-01-2012, 09:53 PM
Sylar

4th and 6 and the Ravens going for it, from around the 45 yard line.

Timeout - big play needed.
22-01-2012, 09:55 PM
Sylar

What.A.Stop!

Vince "King" Wilfork! :thumbsup:
22-01-2012, 10:00 PM
Sylar

2 first downs needed for the win. It's THAT simple, and I absolutely guarantee it won't be that easy!
22-01-2012, 10:11 PM
Sylar

YYYYEEEESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 32 Yard field goal hooked wide to the right and it's all over! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

New England Patriots - 2012 AFC Champions!!! :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin
22-01-2012, 10:13 PM
Gatecrasher

What an ending!! Pissed I will be sleeping through the NFC game
22-01-2012, 10:17 PM
Calvin

Just got in from a gig but managed to catch the last few minutes. Unbelievable.

Really looking forward to the NFC match now.
22-01-2012, 10:19 PM
Sylar

Looks like the Ravens had a fair grievance with the catch in the last seconds in the end zone, but seeing as their first go-ahead TD was clearly both out of bounds and a missed facemask, perhaps it balanced out.
22-01-2012, 10:25 PM
DarrenSQH

Ravens fans must be sick after that ending.

I think the league needs to look at the new rules when the worst pass defense in history gets to a superbowl. The game has too much bias towards offence these days.
22-01-2012, 10:35 PM
Sylar

Some sad news coming out of Penn State tonight. I know he's been caught up in all of the scandal at Penn State this year, but news that Joe Paterno has died tonight:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...h-cancer-fight
22-01-2012, 10:39 PM
Sylar

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenSQH

Ravens fans must be sick after that ending.

I think the league needs to look at the new rules when the worst pass defense in history gets to a superbowl. The game has too much bias towards offence these days.

I'm not sure I get your point - I'll grant, I'm as surprised as anyone, but you need to put up points to win games - something we've done at will this season.

It's a bit like football - so long as you score more than the opposition, does it matter how bad our defense is? We've managed the handicap well this year and are well deserving of our place in the Superbowl, based on the results we've ground out as a team.
23-01-2012, 12:52 AM
Haymaker

YES!

That is all.
23-01-2012, 01:07 AM
Haymaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

I'm not sure I get your point - I'll grant, I'm as surprised as anyone, but you need to put up points to win games - something we've done at will this season.

It's a bit like football - so long as you score more than the opposition, does it matter how bad our defense is? We've managed the handicap well this year and are well deserving of our place in the Superbowl, based on the results we've ground out as a team.

:agree:

In other news, Giants 10-14 San Fran

EDIT: Punt turnover and Giants are back in front 17-14.

EDIT: Gone to OT. 17-17 at the final.
23-01-2012, 02:16 AM
Calvin

Exciting stuff. Think that the 49ers might be able to get a field goal here.
23-01-2012, 02:27 AM
Haymaker

Giants punt and recover the fumble! Inside 30yards!

31 yard field goal, Giants v Patriots in the superbowl.
23-01-2012, 02:35 AM
Calvin

I'm always happy for a Scot to be the hero.
23-01-2012, 05:54 AM
Gatecrasher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haymaker

Giants punt and recover the fumble! Inside 30yards!

31 yard field goal, Giants v Patriots in the superbowl.

Should be a good one bring it on!
23-01-2012, 08:52 AM
Sylar

Fingers crossed we can get some revenge!

I'd rather have faced the 49'ers, but oh well - we've lost to New York in both the pre-season and regular season, so I'm not exactly optimistic.
23-01-2012, 11:26 AM
Gatecrasher

in 2 weeks we will know who the Champs are! I think it will be Pats but i i think they will need to be on top of their game to do so. i noticed Gronkowski was injured, did he return?
23-01-2012, 11:30 AM
Sylar

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

in 2 weeks we will know who the Champs are! I think it will be Pats but i i think they will need to be on top of their game to do so. i noticed Gronkowski was injured, did he return?

He was lined up in the drive when Brady went over the top at 4th and 1, but he remained sidelined for the rest of the game. He was spotted afterwards in a walking boot.

Hopefully the big man will return, as we'll need our TE's to all be available and fully firing.

I still don't think we'll win the Superbowl - the Giants are a very good side and have already beaten us on our own turf this year - I'd love to be wrong obviously, but the Giants are a bloody good team.
23-01-2012, 11:47 AM
Gatecrasher

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

He was lined up in the drive when Brady went over the top at 4th and 1, but he remained sidelined for the rest of the game. He was spotted afterwards in a walking boot.

Hopefully the big man will return, as we'll need our TE's to all be available and fully firing.

I still don't think we'll win the Superbowl - the Giants are a very good side and have already beaten us on our own turf this year - I'd love to be wrong obviously, but the Giants are a bloody good team.

They have came into form just at the right moment, and Eli is playing very well. However you guys have a lot of fire power and your Defense isnt as bad as they stats suggest IMO
23-01-2012, 01:32 PM
DH1875

So who would you all rather be this morning, Billy Cundiff or Kyle Williams? I'm going Cundiff as the Ravens was robbed. That TD at the end should have stood :agree:. As for Williams, forget about the punt at the end. Did you guy's see his first fumble, WTF was he doing there:idiot:.
23-01-2012, 02:18 PM
Sylar

Quote:

Originally Posted by DH1875

So who would you all rather be this morning, Billy Cundiff or Kyle Williams? I'm going Cundiff as the Ravens was robbed. That TD at the end should have stood :agree:. As for Williams, forget about the punt at the end. Did you guy's see his first fumble, WTF was he doing there:idiot:.

It certainly should have.

Just like their first one shouldn't have.

The karmic balance of the universe is well aligned.
23-01-2012, 08:11 PM
James.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSUw9...eature=related

Listening material for the next two weeks :aok:
24-01-2012, 06:21 AM
HibsMax

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenSQH

Ravens fans must be sick after that ending.

I think the league needs to look at the new rules when the worst pass defense in history gets to a superbowl. The game has too much bias towards offence these days.

The Pats D were one of the worst in the NFL this year in terms of yards given up, but not points.
24-01-2012, 06:23 AM
HibsMax

Quote:

Originally Posted by DH1875

So who would you all rather be this morning, Billy Cundiff or Kyle Williams? I'm going Cundiff as the Ravens was robbed. That TD at the end should have stood :agree:. As for Williams, forget about the punt at the end. Did you guy's see his first fumble, WTF was he doing there:idiot:.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

It certainly should have.

Just like their first one shouldn't have.

The karmic balance of the universe is well aligned.

Why do you think the TD at the end should have stood? He caught the ball and he had both feet in bounds but he didn't complete a football move after catching the ball and before it was knocked out of his hands. It was the right call.
24-01-2012, 10:09 AM
Sylar

Quote:

Originally Posted by HibsMax

Why do you think the TD at the end should have stood? He caught the ball and he had both feet in bounds but he didn't complete a football move after catching the ball and before it was knocked out of his hands. It was the right call.

Can you give an unambiguous definition of what this "football move" rule is? As I understood it, it was no longer part of the rules, as it became too hard to define! Guy had both hands on the ball, both feet touched down and he managed to turn around before it was ripped away - I've heard the "football move" rule used as a reason as to why it wasn't already, but in all honesty, I don't know what it is with any real clarity.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...11_Scoring.pdf

Nothing at all about it in there...
24-01-2012, 10:14 AM
Sergio sledge

Quote:

Originally Posted by HibsMax

Why do you think the TD at the end should have stood? He caught the ball and he had both feet in bounds but he didn't complete a football move after catching the ball and before it was knocked out of his hands. It was the right call.

It was pretty close, but I agree with you. Edit: I've just watched it again and it looks like the ball gets knocked out of his hand just as his 2nd foot touches the ground, so I agree it was no touchdown.

The ridiculous thing was that because the ruling on the field wasn't a touchdown and because it was inside 2 minutes, the Ravens couldn't challenge it. That needs to be looked at because there could be borderline decisions in future games that on review would have been turned over, but that couldn't be reviewed because the coaches cant challenge after the 2 minute warning. When a place in the Superbowl is at stake, the coaches should be able to challenge calls after the two minute warning IMHO.

The Ravens should have taken their last time-out before the FG attempt, they gained nothing by rushing it. Taking the time-out may not have changed the result of the kick, but it would have helped the kicker calm himself and set up properly.
24-01-2012, 02:04 PM
HibsMax

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

Can you give an unambiguous definition of what this "football move" rule is? As I understood it, it was no longer part of the rules, as it became too hard to define! Guy had both hands on the ball, both feet touched down and he managed to turn around before it was ripped away - I've heard the "football move" rule used as a reason as to why it wasn't already, but in all honesty, I don't know what it is with any real clarity.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...11_Scoring.pdf

Nothing at all about it in there...

The way I heard it described is that you need to take a step or fall to the ground.....and when you fall to the ground you have to maintain possession of the ball if you haven't taken a few steps. There are different rules for the end zone too. Two things happened in Sunday's game that are of interest:
1. Tom Brady's rushing touchdown - he leapt over the offensive line with his arms stretched out with absolutely no ball protection.......but that didn't matter because as soon as the ball broke the plane the play was over so there was no risk of a turnover UNLESS someone got to him before he crossed the plane.

2. The TD that never was. My understanding is that he made a great catch but didn't take a step or fall to the ground, etc. so it was ruled an incomplete pass.

That's about as good a description as I can give you. :)
24-01-2012, 02:15 PM
Sylar

Quote:

Originally Posted by HibsMax

The way I heard it described is that you need to take a step or fall to the ground.....and when you fall to the ground you have to maintain possession of the ball if you haven't taken a few steps. There are different rules for the end zone too. Two things happened in Sunday's game that are of interest:
1. Tom Brady's rushing touchdown - he leapt over the offensive line with his arms stretched out with absolutely no ball protection.......but that didn't matter because as soon as the ball broke the plane the play was over so there was no risk of a turnover UNLESS someone got to him before he crossed the plane.

2. The TD that never was. My understanding is that he made a great catch but didn't take a step or fall to the ground, etc. so it was ruled an incomplete pass.

That's about as good a description as I can give you. :)

After he caught the ball, he definitely did take a step. As soon as this step "landed" though, was when the ball was ripped out, so it was a matter of margins.

As I said above, it's really irrelevant, as if we start to break it down like this, they could potentially have been given this TD, but had their second one wiped out, as it clearly wasn't.

I see the Ravens are now making a case that they lost because of some confusion/error with our scoreboards.

Deary me, can't they just accept that they didn't do enough over 60 minutes of football to win, rather than trying to apportion excuses/blame?
24-01-2012, 02:39 PM
HibsMax

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

After he caught the ball, he definitely did take a step. As soon as this step "landed" though, was when the ball was ripped out, so it was a matter of margins.

As I said above, it's really irrelevant, as if we start to break it down like this, they could potentially have been given this TD, but had their second one wiped out, as it clearly wasn't.

I see the Ravens are now making a case that they lost because of some confusion/error with our scoreboards.

Deary me, can't they just accept that they didn't do enough over 60 minutes of football to win, rather than trying to apportion excuses/blame?

I watched the replay a few times just now and I disagree. :) He caught the ball and it was knocked out of his hands as his second foot was coming down. Two feet on the ground doesn't make a completion, he would (I believe) need to take a step after he's taken possession of the ball. The way I see it is:
1. he catches the ball with no feet on the ground - he's in the air.
2. his right foot is the first one to make contact with the ground - he's facing back towards his own goal line at this point.
3. he starts to turn around and is in the process of bringing his left foot down when the ball is knocked free.

If he caught the ball with both feet on the ground, turned and took a step........then it would have been a touchdown.

All of this IMHO of course.
24-01-2012, 05:52 PM
NYHibby

RIP JoePa. If I had to name a hero in sports, you were it.
24-01-2012, 06:08 PM
Gatecrasher

I hear the commentators say you need to complete the catch and secure the ball quite a lot he didn't appear to do that, no TD IMO.

How much can I expect to pay for some decent wembley tickets when on general sale?
24-01-2012, 06:33 PM
Sylar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

I hear the commentators say you need to complete the catch and secure the ball quite a lot he didn't appear to do that, no TD IMO.

How much can I expect to pay for some decent wembley tickets when on general sale?

Not quite sure - though they did reduce the cost of the Club Seats from last year, dropping them down to £100.

I'm holding out for the hospitality package, as I'll be taking the new wife (weekend after we get married) :greengrin
24-01-2012, 06:46 PM
Gatecrasher

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

Not quite sure - though they did reduce the cost of the Club Seats from last year, dropping them down to £100.

I'm holding out for the hospitality package, as I'll be taking the new wife (weekend after we get married) :greengrin

£100 :shocked:

im was hoping for about £50 :hide:
24-01-2012, 07:21 PM
Sylar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

£100 :shocked:

im was hoping for about £50 :hide:

Pretty sure you'll get tickets around the £50 mark.

The reason I specify the Club Seats is that those are the only ones on sale just now and they did specifically mention that those had been reduced. Maybe all seats will be reduced, but I don't know.

There's also no registry of interest this year, which I think is quite dangerous considering it's the Patriots!
25-01-2012, 05:20 PM
HibsMax

I was speaking with a friend this morning and he said that Raven's (or their fans) are complaining about the wrong down being displayed on the scoreboard and that they were accusing the Pats of cheating. Cundiff apparently thought it was 3rd down, not 4th down, which is why he wasn't ready. My friend also pointed out that the people who operate the scoreboards are NFL officials so it's not the Pat's fault.

Edit : found a link, reading it now.
25-01-2012, 08:53 PM
Sylar

Quote:

Originally Posted by HibsMax

I was speaking with a friend this morning and he said that Raven's (or their fans) are complaining about the wrong down being displayed on the scoreboard and that they were accusing the Pats of cheating. Cundiff apparently thought it was 3rd down, not 4th down, which is why he wasn't ready. My friend also pointed out that the people who operate the scoreboards are NFL officials so it's not the Pat's fault.

Edit : found a link, reading it now.

Yeah, I read that (mentioned above) earlier in the week.

It doesn't really matter - if there was any confusion, they still had a time-out, so there was no need for him to be "rushed".

Wonder what they'll blame now that's also been cleared up.
29-01-2012, 01:02 PM
DH1875

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

£100 :shocked:

im was hoping for about £50 :hide:

Club tickets are £100 and on sale now. You will be able to get upper tier tickets for £40/50 when they go on sale. Last year they had a family section with cracking seats for £37 per adult and for some reason you didn't need any kids with you :confused:. Think there were some complaints about it so not sure if they will do it this year. Keep an eye out on places like ebay as last year you could get tickets for less than the face value as it didn't sell out. Again though, not sure about this year as the glory hunters will be out in force :wink:.
29-01-2012, 04:17 PM
Haymaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by DH1875

the glory hunters will be out in force :wink:.

Aye those pesky Rams band jumpers! :cb
29-01-2012, 05:03 PM
hibsbollah

Will the regulars be revealing their superbowl predictions? I fancy Giants by 7-12 points with Eli Manning as MVP. Odds of 10/1 as a double.
29-01-2012, 05:10 PM
Haymaker

21-14 patriots. I hope.
29-01-2012, 06:00 PM
Sylar

Quote:

Originally Posted by DH1875

Club tickets are £100 and on sale now. You will be able to get upper tier tickets for £40/50 when they go on sale. Last year they had a family section with cracking seats for £37 per adult and for some reason you didn't need any kids with you :confused:. Think there were some complaints about it so not sure if they will do it this year. Keep an eye out on places like ebay as last year you could get tickets for less than the face value as it didn't sell out. Again though, not sure about this year as the glory hunters will be out in force :wink:.

I'm pretty confident that it will sell out this year, for the reason you point out - sadly, around the same time the NFL coverage on Sky exploded, we were on a run of Superbowl successes, resulting in a myriad of folks who previously didn't know a thing about us becoming "fans". A good test to a "proper Pats fan" vs a "Post 2002 Superbowl Fan" is by asking who the Pats QB was prior to Brady - it's a good starting point to sorting them out! These fans have no concept as to what it was like following New England in the 90's, when we were the NFL punching bag - I remember those nauseating days all too well!

Quote:

Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Will the regulars be revealing their superbowl predictions? I fancy Giants by 7-12 points with Eli Manning as MVP. Odds of 10/1 as a double.

I also fancy the Giants, but I reckon it'll be very close and will probably be decided by who makes the fewest mistakes

As good as our offense is, and I do think we'll score a few TD's, assuming Brady finds the form which eluded him vs Baltimore, our defense isn't going to suddenly be a group of superstars. As much as it stepped up against Baltimore, there were still holes.

The good thing is that we've seen New York both through the regular season and in the pre-season, so there's not much we don't know about their style of play. If we can get to Eli and shut him down, New York don't have much else in reserve, whereas getting to Brady will just remove one of our many offensive weapons.

I'm still not optimistic right now though, so I'll go with the Giants by 7-10.

Quite proud that, despite our poor defense, I managed to pick the AFC representatives well before the season started :greengrin
29-01-2012, 06:09 PM
Gatecrasher

30-27 pats Tom Brady with the final drive of the game :agree:, I still cant rule out the Giants though.
29-01-2012, 06:12 PM
Gatecrasher

Quote:

Originally Posted by DH1875

Club tickets are £100 and on sale now. You will be able to get upper tier tickets for £40/50 when they go on sale. Last year they had a family section with cracking seats for £37 per adult and for some reason you didn't need any kids with you :confused:. Think there were some complaints about it so not sure if they will do it this year. Keep an eye out on places like ebay as last year you could get tickets for less than the face value as it didn't sell out. Again though, not sure about this year as the glory hunters will be out in force :wink:.

Thanks i will keep an eye out:aok:
29-01-2012, 09:54 PM
Haymaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

A good test to a "proper Pats fan" vs a "Post 2002 Superbowl Fan" is by asking who the Pats QB was prior to Brady - it's a good starting point to sorting them out!

Drew Bledsoe :cb
30-01-2012, 05:42 PM
Gatecrasher

http://www.solecollector.com/niketra...ts-850x620.jpg

http://www.solecollector.com/niketra...ts-850x620.jpg

http://www.nikeblog.com/wp-content/u...ers-Gloves.jpg

http://seattlesportscentral.com/wp-c...loves-2012.jpg

http://www.solecollector.com/niketra...ts-850x620.jpg

http://www.solecollector.com/niketra...ns-850x620.jpg

NIKE take over as the kit supplier next season in the NFL, What you guys think of the College Style gloves, i love them :thumbsup:
I posted most of the teams i think mpst people support on here, sorry if i missed any. see the link below if i have

http://www.solecollector.com/niketraining/?p=6831
30-01-2012, 06:50 PM
HibsMax

Pats win.
30-01-2012, 09:04 PM
DH1875

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

NIKE take over as the kit supplier next season in the NFL, What you guys think of the College Style gloves, i love them :thumbsup:
I posted most of the teams i think mpst people support on here, sorry if i missed any. see the link below if i have

http://www.solecollector.com/niketraining/?p=6831

Really like the Nike NCAA jersey's so hopefully the new NFL ones will be the same. Can't see them changing the designs to much though as they haven't really in the past.

For what it's worth I reckon the Patsies will run out winners on Sunday night in what should be a pretty good game. I'm going 31-20 IF Gronkowski makes it.
30-01-2012, 09:12 PM
DH1875

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haymaker

Drew Bledsoe :cb

GOOGLE really is man's best friend :tee hee:. Seriously though, you forget just how long Brady has been there and even though he's a tosser, hats of to the guy. It's some career he's had and it ain't even finished.
31-01-2012, 04:15 AM
Calvin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

http://seattlesportscentral.com/wp-c...loves-2012.jpgNIKE take over as the kit supplier next season in the NFL, What you guys think of the College Style gloves, i love them :thumbsup:
I posted most of the teams i think mpst people support on here, sorry if i missed any. see the link below if i have

http://www.solecollector.com/niketraining/?p=6831

Very smart.

As for the Super Bowl, I change my prediction every day. This morning I feel that the Patriots will come from behind in the last quarter.
31-01-2012, 04:06 PM
HibsMax

Quote:

Originally Posted by DH1875

GOOGLE really is man's best friend :tee hee:. Seriously though, you forget just how long Brady has been there and even though he's a tosser, hats of to the guy. It's some career he's had and it ain't even finished.

What has Brady done that makes him a tosser? Or is it a clever play on words i.e., he is the QB therefore tosses the ball a lot?

I'm not looking at things through Pats-tinted glasses, I really can't think of anything that he has done that merits him being slagged off.

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