Sportscene 22/23

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Originally Posted by McGruber

Nah, no chance.

That's the VAR mindset. Contact - yes - penalty. There can be contact without it being a penalty, it's a contact sport.

Does the killie boy get in between Cabraja and the ball, yes. Do legs come together yes. That's all they need to vindicate their toy.

Was it a penalty? Do me a favour. No trip, not brought down, no intent, no goalscoring chance, no foul. Just minimal contact.. killie player looking to buy one with pathetic bunny hop to the deck.. replays show contact - penalty. Predictable and pish. If that is a pen the game is done.

Wonder who will be next for a VAR straight red and how it compares to Cochrane at Hearts v Livi. Bar set there for what does and doesn't merit a straight red. In at force, studs up high on ankle, leg breaker - VAR decision throw in. Cabraja and Killie player touch socks - VAR penalty.

Thought VAR would be crap up here, it's been even worse than I thought. Our officials are just shocking, bottom line

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Good balanced view this - referees and VAR getting it wrong

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Originally Posted by Sioux

The contact issue is a major problem as you rightly say. The view that contact entitles a player to go down has been peddled by so many TV pundits, and column writers in the press, that it has now been accepted as fact. Especially when it concerns a penalty, a player has in fact been fouled if an opposition player has come into contact with him. Nothing is said when that contact is instigated by the player who has been 'fouled'.

All refs are guilty in this, therefore you'd think the policy makers are to blame for ensuring a hard line is taken.

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It's a cheats charter isn't it? Supported by managers and pundits.

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

Good balanced view this - referees and VAR getting it wrong

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Don't agree. VAR shows what happened. Administrators are the same incompetent referees and it's their interpretation of what they see that is at fault just as it is when they're on the park.The time they take to come to a decision is ludicrous. The mechanics of the system operation are mostly fine.

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

Don't agree. VAR shows what happened. Administrators are the same incompetent referees and it's their interpretation of what they see that is at fault just as it is when they're on the park.The time they take to come to a decision is ludicrous. The mechanics of the system operation are mostly fine.

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The mechanics maybe fine but var is taking all the spontaneity out of football.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Someone tweeted the longbangers Twitter account with a screenshot of the guidance on how var is used for offsides. If the lines touch or overlap, the player should be considered onside. That’s the case in this instance.

Additionally, Melkersen’s knee (the furthest forward point in his body and presumably where his line should be taken from) stops on the blue line for the defender, so unless he has an unnatural big kneecap, he’s also onside on that measure.

Totally agree on the consistency part, if we’d been refereed to the same standards as Rangers, that’s not a penalty.

I’ve been trying my best not to make VAR a big talking point on Longbangers, but it’s almost impossible to ignore it and to not talk about these decisions. VAR shouldn’t be the talking point in the vast majority of games but it’s all we’re hearing now and it’s highlighting the ineptitude of our referees. They need to be made full time, no point in spending money in VAR only to have it run by folk who can’t do it properly.

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When was the last time we had a consistent, competent and capable referee in Scotland?

Something is clearly fundamentally wrong with a system that churns out so many bad referees and surely the person in charge of that should be relieved of their duties.

I get that they are part time but that doesn't excuse the amateur performances we have to put up with from them.

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Originally Posted by degenerated

When was the last time we had a consistent, competent and capable referee in Scotland?

Something is clearly fundamentally wrong with a system that churns out so many bad referees and surely the person in charge of that should be relieved of their duties.

I get that they are part time but that doesn't excuse the amateur performances we have to put up with from them.

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Always thought Calum Murray was good pretty fair and didn't want to be the star of the show. Madden was pretty good and you could tell he had a decent rapport with the players however did think he let too much go on the fouling front. Now in England wonder what the story was behind that. Assume there are no Scottish refs in Qatar.

Any footage of the Cochrane challenge?

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Any footage of the Cochrane challenge?

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

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Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

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After about 5 mins looking at it I might add.

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Originally Posted by McGruber

Nah, no chance.

That's the VAR mindset. Contact - yes - penalty. There can be contact without it being a penalty, it's a contact sport.

Does the killie boy get in between Cabraja and the ball, yes. Do legs come together yes. That's all they need to vindicate their toy.

Was it a penalty? Do me a favour. No trip, not brought down, no intent, no goalscoring chance, no foul. Just minimal contact.. killie player looking to buy one with pathetic bunny hop to the deck.. replays show contact - penalty. Predictable and pish. If that is a pen the game is done.

Wonder who will be next for a VAR straight red and how it compares to Cochrane at Hearts v Livi. Bar set there for what does and doesn't merit a straight red. In at force, studs up high on ankle, leg breaker - VAR decision throw in. Cabraja and Killie player touch socks - VAR penalty.

Thought VAR would be crap up here, it's been even worse than I thought. Our officials are just shocking, bottom line

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Good post.

In the interests of balance I think it's reasonable to point out that there can also be no contact and for it to be a penalty.

If anything, I wonder if the Killie player should be applauded for spotting an opportunity to create something significant out of a totally innocuous situation? And Cabraja criticised for not being more aware in the current climate?

Not sure if it's happening but Hibs should be actively working out how to take advantage and not be penalised by the current VAR farce.

I maintain that VAR can be a force for good but it needs to be implemented much, much better than it is currently. The beautiful game this is not.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Always thought Calum Murray was good pretty fair and didn't want to be the star of the show. Madden was pretty good and you could tell he had a decent rapport with the players however did think he let too much go on the fouling front. Now in England wonder what the story was behind that. Assume there are no Scottish refs in Qatar.

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The guy that Neil Lennon hounded out leading to the strike was decent.

Can't remember his name.

I used to like Kenny Clark and Willie Young. Clark was overly fussy but consistent so you'd get the game refereed in the same way for both sides. Willie Young was similar only he'd let everything go. Consistent and fair to both teams though.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

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That is just incredible - Cabraja touches socks and it's a pen while THIS goes unpunished?!?

I mean what the actual ****!

Game DESTROYED while this kind of nonsense stands.

Am I missing something here? Lack of awareness and stone wall penalty for me.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

The guy that Neil Lennon hounded out leading to the strike was decent.

Can't remember his name.

I used to like Kenny Clark and Willie Young. Clark was overly fussy but consistent so you'd get the game refereed in the same way for both sides. Willie Young was similar only he'd let everything go. Consistent and fair to both teams though.

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We're going back over a decade with some of these names. Look at the absolute tumshies that have replaced them, and it's hard not to conclude that something is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

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That is unbelievable!! When you compare that with Porto's red at Ibrox it's much much worse. Our refs are atrociously incompetent!

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

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Anyone think that RP would have got away with that, not a chance.

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Originally Posted by greenlex

After about 5 mins looking at it I might add.

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Apparently var ref was Beaton who after reviewing for ages didn't send the ref to the screen. Always thought Beaton had a bit of a liking for the pink ones. This decision only reinforces that. Corrupt simple as. Cochrane should be getting done for that. Leg breaker challenge

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Originally Posted by plhibs

Anyone think that RP would have got away with that, not a chance.

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No Hibs player would have got away with that imo

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

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Straight red card in my opinion. Clearly the VAR person didn’t see it that way. VAR can’t award free kicks, on this occasion it was there to check if it should have been a red card. I’m not sure what planet he’s on but having decided it’s not a red the VAR official can’t change anything else in that incident. So it’s no foul and a throw to hahahahearts.
On the other hand, if that had been Ryan…

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Originally Posted by CentreLine

Straight red card in my opinion. Clearly the VAR person didn’t see it that way. VAR can’t award free kicks, on this occasion it was there to check if it should have been a red card. I’m not sure what planet he’s on but having decided it’s not a red the VAR official can’t change anything else in that incident. So it’s no foul and a throw to hahahahearts.
On the other hand, if that had been Ryan…

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This is my first viewing of this incident and VAR indicate no foul or card for Cochrane and a throw in to Hearts. The games a bogey.

The ref should be sending Cochrane off for that challenge! There’s no need for VAR!

Incredible and it’s true it doesn’t matter about VAR we still have the same ****ing idiot officials making the same idiotic mistakes.

I agree that if that had been a Hibs player that’s a straight red and VAR would back it up


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Originally Posted by CentreLine

Straight red card in my opinion. Clearly the VAR person didn’t see it that way. VAR can’t award free kicks, on this occasion it was there to check if it should have been a red card. I’m not sure what planet he’s on but having decided it’s not a red the VAR official can’t change anything else in that incident. So it’s no foul and a throw to hahahahearts.
On the other hand, if that had been Ryan…

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Agree a straight red all day long.Hearts games must have a different rule book.

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Originally Posted by CentreLine

Straight red card in my opinion. Clearly the VAR person didn’t see it that way. VAR can’t award free kicks, on this occasion it was there to check if it should have been a red card. I’m not sure what planet he’s on but having decided it’s not a red the VAR official can’t change anything else in that incident. So it’s no foul and a throw to hahahahearts.
On the other hand, if that had been Ryan…

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If I heard right, it's down to the camera option that is shown on screen, so not necessarily the footage we see????

Brilliant show tonight lots of fantastic goals penalties great games and talking points

Well worth a watch on catch up

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

Brilliant show tonight lots of fantastic goals penalties great games and talking points

Well worth a watch on catch up

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HIBS on now

Last as usual

Bombscare of a programme, so it is.

Is the challenge Gordon made when he got injured not a red card offence. Two feet off the ground and completely out of control. So soft the penalty Hearts did get and something we really need to be mindful of.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

Is the challenge Gordon made when he got injured not a red card offence. Two feet off the ground and completely out of control. So soft the penalty Hearts did get and something we really need to be mindful of.

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But Shankland is a hero with Sportscene, it was worse than Porto's yet he was accused of all sorts but Shankland was clever.

Rancid presenters.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

Is the challenge Gordon made when he got injured not a red card offence. Two feet off the ground and completely out of control. So soft the penalty Hearts did get and something we really need to be mindful of.

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Yeah Gordon goes in dangerously, should have been a penalty and a red. How’s without saying I hope he makes a full recovery.

Shankland dives for their penalty. Can’t believe Neilson was on the radio moaning about refereeing decisions, they got all the big ones their way ffs

Richard Foster spreading the Christmas spirit :greengrin