(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

I respect anybody who comes on here and takes up an unpopular position, so I'm not attacking you. But theres holes all over what you've said.

It terms of Israel and Jerusalem, you are right that in a normal situation any country should be able to declare a city as its capital. But sharing Jerusalem between different faiths was agreed as part of the 1992 peace accords to ensure the Armenians and the Christians and the Muslims shared the ownership of the city with the Jews. Its just another betrayal of treaty, which the Israelis have a history of doing. And what hes done serves no purpose but to destabilise the world.

Youre also basing your entire assessment of 'liberal democrats' on some conversations you've had with some in Texas. If they are 'struck dumb' by Trumps policy on Isis, or on the horrendous tax cuts policy, i would say you've just been speaking to some very inarticulate and stupid Democrats. All Trumps policies can be convincingly argued against, because they are either economic vandalism (a tax cut programme that is going to result in starving in the streets), smoke and mirrors (his Isis 'policy' which seems to involve talking tough on them one minute, then threatening to withdraw from the world the next. And continuing the drone strike programme that was the same as the Obama one that he was so critical of). What won him the blue collar vote, the so called 'populist' vote, was the jobs creation claim, his one 'good thing' which the Mexican wall was just part of. Public works, roads, infrastructure, engineering, stuff to get America working again. But now he's in office, nothing, nada. Because he doesn't want to, he never wanted to get involved in that because he hates the state. Public private partnership is anathema to him. He lied. And that's why the poster that irritated you so much earlier is absolutely right. The stupid (or if you prefer, the naïve) voted for him because they believed his domestic promises, and they shouldn't have.

In your anti Clinton diatribe ,you also dont mention that the popular vote went for Hilary, so the country is very much divided and there isn't a strong a consensus against the Clintons as you claim. You also dont mention the Obama legacy, why is that? You dont mention Trumps own, self confessed and proud sexual harassment, why is that? his bullying, rudeness, classlessness. Do you recognise he's a nasty piece of work but think it doesn't matter as long as hes a good leader, or do you just think hes a good guy misrepresented by a liberal media? And I'm not sure why bringing Bernie Sanders' narrow defeat into the debate makes your case any stronger. Sanders shocked everyone by showing there is still a strong left wing streak in blue collar America you'd never notice from just watching TV.

And i am genuinely fascinated by the total chutzpah that allows you to accuse the Democrats of spreading racism and dividing people, when its is Trump who uses this tactic widely and obviously, and in a way that is brand new for an American president, (even Andrew Jackson seemed to like and admire his slaves!), and for any world leader. Look outside America, at the reaction to him across the world. Most countries are horrified by him. how is that going to help America's economy?

Give us some links so we can see some of the sources behind what you think is happening in your country.

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Excellent reply.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

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Nazi Punks **** Off

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Originally Posted by -Jonesy-

Nazi Punks **** Off

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Is there any need?

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

Is there any need?

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Above the delusion and misogyny Trump is and always has been a massive racist, claiming he is the greatest president ever makes you, at the very least, an apologist for such behaviour.

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Originally Posted by -Jonesy-

Above the delusion and misogyny Trump is and always has been a massive racist, claiming he is the greatest president ever makes you, at the very least, an apologist for such behaviour.

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Let it be clear I'm no fan of Trump I suspect he is a freemason and more than likely a Satanist.

But Racist? I have not seen any evidence of him being Racist. Can you prove he is a Racist?

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

Let it be clear I'm no fan of Trump I suspect he is a freemason and more than likely a Satanist.

But Racist? I have not seen any evidence of him being Racist. Can you prove he is a Racist?

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Don't you think that retweeting racist, and fake, Britain First videos suggests he has racist views?

Does his failure to condemn the KKK not give you a hint?

Here's a few more clues;

Consider the first time the president’s name appeared on the front page of the New York Times, more than 40 years ago. “Major Landlord Accused of Antiblack Bias in City,” read the headline of the A1 piece on Oct. 16, 1973, which pointed out how Richard Nixon’s Department of Justice had sued the Trump family’s real estate company in federal court over alleged violations of the Fair Housing Act.

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’” the Times revealed. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.” (Trump later settled with the government without accepting responsibility.)

Over the next four decades, Trump burnished his reputation as a bigot: he was accused of ordering “all the black [employees] off the floor” of his Atlantic City casinos during his visits; claimed “laziness is a trait in blacks” and “not anything they can control”; requested Jews “in yarmulkes” replace his black accountants;

told Bryan Gumbel that “a well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market”; demanded the death penalty for a group of black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a jogger in Central Park (and, despite their later exoneration with the use of DNA evidence, has continued to insist they are guilty);

suggested a Native American tribe “don’t look like Indians to me”; mocked Chinese and Japanese trade negotiators by doing an impression of them in broken English; described undocumented Mexican immigrants as “rapists”; compared Syrian refugees to “snakes”; defended two supporters who assaulted a homeless Latino man as “very passionate” people “who love this country”;

pledged to ban a quarter of humanity from entering the United States; proposed a database to track American Muslims that he himself refused to distinguish from the Nazi registration of German Jews; implied Jewish donors “want to control” politicians and are all sly negotiators;

heaped praise on the “amazing reputation” of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who has blamed America’s problems on a “Jewish mafia”; referred to a black supporter at a campaign rally as “my African-American”; suggested the grieving Muslim mother of a slain U.S. army officer “maybe … wasn’t allowed” to speak in public about her son;

accused an American-born Hispanic judge of being “a Mexican”; retweeted anti-Semitic and anti-black memes, white supremacists, and even a quote from Benito Mussolini;

kept a book of Hitler’s collected speeches next to his bed; declined to condemn both David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan; and spent five years leading a “birther” movement that was bent on smearing and delegitimizing the first black president of the United States, who Trump also accused of being the founder of ISIS.

Oh and remember: we knew all of this before he was elected president of the United States of America.

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

Let it be clear I'm no fan of Trump I suspect he is a freemason and more than likely a Satanist.

But Racist? I have not seen any evidence of him being Racist. Can you prove he is a Racist?

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Are you kidding?

Everything hibbyradge has covered and more, sorry for my lack of hyperlink ability on my phone.

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/17/stop-acting-surprised-america-donald-trump-is-a-white-supremacist/

http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

Or just have a google yourself and open your eyes and ears. Laughable to claim there's no evidence

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Originally Posted by -Jonesy-

Are you kidding?

Everything hibbyradge has covered and more

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/17/sto...e-supremacist/

Laughable to claim there's no evidence

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More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

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The German Association of National Jews came out in support of Hitler, does that mean that Hitler wasn't a Nazi too?

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

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A masterwork of deflectionism, very good. Still don't hear a denial of his inherent racism?

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

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What I "arrogantly claimed" was that Trump is stupid, he's surrounded by stupid people and voted for by desperate people.

I suppose it was a pretty daft thing to say, because many millions of people vote in American elections and will all have had their own personal reasons for doing so in the way that they did.

I believe Trump is a cretin. I believe that he has surrounded himself with like-minded fools. I don't believe that everyone who voted for him are stupid, but I believe that many were desperate and that everyone had a pretty awful choice of 2 people.

You made a fair point about the Clintons. In many ways I'd have quite liked to have moved to America, there is a lot about the country that I admire. But to have to choose between Clinton and Trump was a truly sorry state of affairs, and it was wrong of me to be so dismissive of someone who may choose to vote for opposition to the Clintons.


I am not a fan of the Clintons, but I cannot put into words how much I abhor Trump, and all that he stands for. There is a standard of behaviour that you would expect a president of the USA to live up to, and he falls so far below that standard for it to be laughable.

There is a set of values that you would wish OUR country's closest ally to hold - Trump's America stands for everything that I dislike, and I will not apologise for holding that view. I don't want America to be building walls, I don't want them to get into pointless willy-waving exercised with North Korea, I don't want them to be at their belligerent worst causing havoc in the Middle East. I don't want divisive rhetoric, I don't want racist language from the most powerful man on the planet. That's what we're getting.

Sadly, a lot of people have been left behind in America, and that pre-dates Trump. We have seen the same in this country. These are the people who I referred to as "desperate" and will include the blacks and Latinos to whom you refer. When desperate (and faced with a choice of this or the fairly unpalatable Clintons) bollocks about building walls, making America great again, denying climate change and making empty promises of jobs based in dead industries, displaying mock courage that may make you look strong with little change of direct impact on your own shores but potentially catastrophic consequences on other people's lives far, far away - it is possible to understand why Trump was successful.

He will not be the greatest president ever, and there is a reasonably good chance he will be assassinated. It will be interesting to see what the disaffected of America will do next, when their lives are not improved by electing an imbecile who has already started giving tax cuts to his rich buddies, presumable at a cost the already angry poor.


As an aside, it is interesting to hear the opinions of those within the USA. My youngest brother has a degree in History and Politics, and we often discuss politics (he knows his stuff, I don't have a clue). It is funny how the opinion of a particular president can be so different in the USA as opposed to overseas. Obama was a hugely popular president overseas, he carried himself properly and used appropriate language. He put in place admirable policies on the World Stage and had a very impressive, progressive outlook. I'm led to believe he has pretty unpopular in the USA, being part of the reason we ended up with Trump (and tbh the ridiculous situation where the choices were the Clintons or the Trumps.)

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

The German Association of National Jews came out in support of Hitler, does that mean that Hitler wasn't a Nazi too?

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Why is it that people always resort to Hitler and Nazis trying to prove a point? Comparing Trump to Hitler is frankly insulting to the many people who died and to any survivors of the horrors of those dark days.

Stick to what Trump is doing as a president. Of course, maybe I have missed the call for gas chambers and extermination. Maybe it got lost in what many people, including reluctant Democrats, consider a successful first year of his presidency.

But if you get stuck for other comparisons don't forget Stalin.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

Why is it that people always resort to Hitler and Nazis trying to prove a point? Comparing Trump to Hitler is frankly insulting to the many people who died and to any survivors of the horrors of those dark days.

Stick to what Trump is doing as a president. Of course, maybe I have missed the call for gas chambers and extermination. Maybe it got lost in what many people, including reluctant Democrats, consider a successful first year of his presidency.

But if you get stuck for other comparisons don't forget Stalin.

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I was comparing your assumption that because other races voted for Trump then he couldn't be racist and showing it for the ridiculous attempt at deflection that it was. Again by trying to then invoke Godwin's Law you've again deflected from the issue without answering the question.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

Why is it that people always resort to Hitler and Nazis trying to prove a point? Comparing Trump to Hitler is frankly insulting to the many people who died and to any survivors of the horrors of those dark days.

Stick to what Trump is doing as a president. Of course, maybe I have missed the call for gas chambers and extermination. Maybe it got lost in what many people, including reluctant Democrats, consider a successful first year of his presidency.

But if you get stuck for other comparisons don't forget Stalin.

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Masterwork of deflection volume 2...Weak as dug***** to say "focus on what he is doing as a president" and then base your whole argument on Hillary and the democrats and what could've been with them.

He's doing nothing as a president, he is a disgusting, abhorrent exscuse of a human being and is turning the US and it's political system into a laughing stock for the rest of the world.

What a ****ing disgrace, best president ever, gtf!!

The test panels of the border walls have just been on sky news. If there is any doubt whether Trump is racist or not then this is the proof. Stop Mexicans. Stop Muslims. Agree with Britain First.

Stock market booming to new highs each week, record job creation, thousands of manufacturing jobs created, companies bringing jobs back to the US, no bad in my book.

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Originally Posted by IGRIGI

Stock market booming to new highs each week, record job creation, thousands of manufacturing jobs created, companies bringing jobs back to the US, no bad in my book.

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First fact is true, and hardly surprising, since the tax cuts are going to benefit the top 1% in a big way. The job creation stuff looks like bollox.... Source?

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

Why is it that people always resort to Hitler and Nazis trying to prove a point? Comparing Trump to Hitler is frankly insulting to the many people who died and to any survivors of the horrors of those dark days.

Stick to what Trump is doing as a president. Of course, maybe I have missed the call for gas chambers and extermination. Maybe it got lost in what many people, including reluctant Democrats, consider a successful first year of his presidency.

But if you get stuck for other comparisons don't forget Stalin.

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None of this is showing us why you think he's doing well as a president :dunno:

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Originally Posted by -Jonesy-

Masterwork of deflection volume 2...Weak as dug***** to say "focus on what he is doing as a president" and then base your whole argument on Hillary and the democrats and what could've been with them.

He's doing nothing as a president, he is a disgusting, abhorrent exscuse of a human being and is turning the US and it's political system into a laughing stock for the rest of the world.

What a ****ing disgrace, best president ever, gtf!!

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The rest of your post is embarrassing to say the least but doing nothing as president? Not sure where you get your information.

Record highs on all market boards (thus helping the workers 401k pensions tremendously), record low unemployment including lowest for African Americans in nearly 20 years, lowest for Latinos/Hispanic ever. Dealt ISIS a blow, certainly territorially. Got through a major tax reform already resulting in major corporations giving $1,000 bonuses to hundreds of thousands of non-executive workers, some companies now raising their minimum wage by 25%, and promising major investment in factories and more jobs, hopefully with better wages. Rolling back of restrictive regulations. Got his first Supreme Court judge nominated. Shaking up the Veterans Association to make it easier for Vets to get help.

Next year, expect a major Infrastructure program which should have some support from across the aisle.

And as I said in an earlier post when I did layout the difference between his election campaign and that of the Democrats, they were clear positions on Issues which could be agreed with or disagreed with but nonetheless were clear and substantive issues and the issues that are most important to much of the country.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

The rest of your post is embarrassing to say the least but doing nothing as president? Not sure where you get your information.

Record highs on all market boards (thus helping the workers 401k pensions tremendously), record low unemployment including lowest for African Americans in nearly 20 years, lowest for Latinos/Hispanic ever. Dealt ISIS a blow, certainly territorially. Got through a major tax reform already resulting in major corporations giving $1,000 bonuses to hundreds of thousands of non-executive workers, some companies now raising their minimum wage by 25%, and promising major investment in factories and more jobs, hopefully with better wages. Rolling back of restrictive regulations. Got his first Supreme Court judge nominated. Shaking up the Veterans Association to make it easier for Vets to get help.

Next year, expect a major Infrastructure program which should have some support from across the aisle.

And as I said in an earlier post when I did layout the difference between his election campaign and that of the Democrats, they were clear positions on Issues which could be agreed with or disagreed with but nonetheless were clear and substantive issues and the issues that are most important to much of the country.

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But he's still a racist though right? A sexually harassing, thin skinned, climate change denying, child minded bigoted racist.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

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The people who voted for Trump decided that his being a racist didn't matter that much.

But he is a racist.

None of this will matter when he's outed as a Russian puppet and dragged out of office kicking and screaming like the child he is

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Originally Posted by -Jonesy-

None of this will matter when he's outed as a Russian puppet and dragged out of office kicking and screaming like the child he is

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When is this going to happen?

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

The people who voted for Trump decided that his being a racist didn't matter that much.

But he is a racist.

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In your opinion of course. Granted alot of people who hate trump think the same as you but your list of 'evidence' amounts to little more than just gossip.

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

When is this going to happen?

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Ask Bob Mueller.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Trump is the greatest pres ever?

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Originally Posted by -Jonesy-

Ask Bob Mueller.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Trump is the greatest pres ever?

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Well I'll call it now it's not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

Well I'll call it now it's not going to happen.

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Well you fail to see Trump is a huge racist so I'll not put my life savings on it yet

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

In your opinion of course. Granted alot of people who hate trump think the same as you but your list of 'evidence' amounts to little more than just gossip.

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Why is there no "gossip" like that about, say, Barrack Obama?

Trump and the press: 10 questions journalists never thought they'd have to ask

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...y_to_clipboard

Missing from the discussion about Trumps legacy is possibly his most serious,his opposition to climate science and his links to the coal and fossil fuel industries. The domestic and international environmental legislation he's torn up this year can be reversed when he's eventually out of office but the effects will be felt for years to come.

Tweet this morning... 'In the East it could be the Coldest new years eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

He's like the old bore at the end of the bar.