SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Are you aware of the EU relaxing the rules for anyone else?.

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Ukraine and Moldova.

Okay, it’s only fast tracking them to Candidate status, but once you’ve received candidate status you only need to comply with laws and regulations, which we already do.

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Ukraine and Moldova.

Okay, it’s only fast tracking them to Candidate status, but once you’ve received candidate status you only need to comply with laws and regulations, which we already do.

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They were clear, no special deal. This just backs up my point, if they won't do it for Ukraine why would they change the rules for Scotland?

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/...ay-meps-demand


"In the context of the brutal Russian war of aggression against Ukraine, this move would equate to showing leadership, resolve and vision, say MEPs. They insist that there is no ‘fast-track’ for EU membership and that accession remains a merit-based and structured process, which requires EU membership criteria to be fulfilled and is dependent on the effective implementation of reforms"

I mean it's there in black and white, no fast track process. You meet the rules you are in, it's the same for all countries, but somehow Scotland would be different...it's a baseless claim.

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They were clear, no special deal. This just backs up my point, if they won't do it for Ukraine why would they change the rules for Scotland?

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/...ay-meps-demand


"In the context of the brutal Russian war of aggression against Ukraine, this move would equate to showing leadership, resolve and vision, say MEPs. They insist that there is no ‘fast-track’ for EU membership and that accession remains a merit-based and structured process, which requires EU membership criteria to be fulfilled and is dependent on the effective implementation of reforms"

I mean it's there in black and white, no fast track process. You meet the rules you are in, it's the same for all countries, but somehow Scotland would be different...it's a baseless claim.

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Are you now just arguing about the timescales of Scotland re-joining the EU? You’ve admited yourself that Brexit is an economic disaster. Would you see any benefit in Scotland re-joining the EU, whether that takes 1 year or 20, over remaining in the union that very much won’t be re-joining the EU?

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Are you now just arguing about the timescales of Scotland re-joining the EU? You’ve admited yourself that Brexit is an economic disaster. Would you see any benefit in Scotland re-joining the EU, whether that takes 1 year or 20, over remaining in the union that very much won’t be re-joining the EU?

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Think they are back to arguing that they won’t let us in.[emoji849]


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They were clear, no special deal. This just backs up my point, if they won't do it for Ukraine why would they change the rules for Scotland?

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/...ay-meps-demand


"In the context of the brutal Russian war of aggression against Ukraine, this move would equate to showing leadership, resolve and vision, say MEPs. They insist that there is no ‘fast-track’ for EU membership and that accession remains a merit-based and structured process, which requires EU membership criteria to be fulfilled and is dependent on the effective implementation of reforms"

I mean it's there in black and white, no fast track process. You meet the rules you are in, it's the same for all countries, but somehow Scotland would be different...it's a baseless claim.

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You obviously think a nation that has previous membership albeit as part of a “Union” that was removed against its peoples wishes would hold no sway in a swift return. You might find a special resolution would be found. Even if it was just to piss off former members. Politics is a funny old game. What sort of reforms that Ukraine need to make do you envisage an Independent Scotland having to do?

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You are not the only one that has said it.

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You definitely haven't. Too positive for you. 😁

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Never said that once, I am being pretty clear you meet the rules and you are in. Just like Ukraine and just like every other country, Scotland won't be any different. All this talk of special deals or flexibility because we are Scotland is baseless and wishful thinking.

It's in black and white from the EU.

"No fast track to EU membership; accession only on the basis of merit and once criteria are fulfilled"

The above is exactly what I am saying.

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You definitely haven't. Too positive for you. 😁

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Have you been studying Nigel Farage? He used to accuse the opponents of Brexit of being too negative when all they were doing was pointing out the facts and the truth.

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You obviously think a nation that has previous membership albeit as part of a “Union” that was removed against its peoples wishes would hold no sway in a swift return. You might find a special resolution would be found. Even if it was just to piss off former members. Politics is a funny old game. What sort of reforms that Ukraine need to make do you envisage an Independent Scotland having to do?

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What's not clear in the EU stating:

"No fast track EU membership; accession only on the basis of merit and once criteria are fulfilled"

Maybe it's all lies.

Have said enough now, back to repeating myself over and over.

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Never said that once, I am being pretty clear you meet the rules and you are in. Just like Ukraine and just like every other country, Scotland won't be any different. All this talk of special deals or flexibility because we are Scotland is baseless and wishful thinking.

It's in black and white from the EU.

"No fast track to EU membership; accession only on the basis of merit and once criteria are fulfilled"

The above is exactly what I am saying.

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https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2021/03/31/scotlands-route-to-eu-membership/

Black and White from the EU, 3 or 4 years 😁

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Black and White from the EU, 3 or 4 years 😁

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What you have actually done is link to a blog post from the LSE which references an article from said Kirsty Hughes, the one who says using the pound (the same pound Ian Blackford says we will use for years) is a blocker to joining the EU. As a reminder.

"Other issues will come to the fore too: if an indy Scotland adopts the pound for several years & UK is out of the EU, that will mean Scotland doesn't meet EU accession criteria."

The last bit is key "that will mean Scotland doesn't meet the EU accession criteria"

So in fact nothing from the EU at all and you back up my point, thanks for that.

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Have you been studying Nigel Farage? He used to accuse the opponents of Brexit of being too negative when all they were doing was pointing out the facts and the truth.

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You seem obsessed with Brexit. I suppose when you voted for a party that supported it, it's expected.

You're going round in circles again. 🙈

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Do you think that choosing a currency for a newly independent country is like buying a car? "I'll have that one, in yellow, with a diesel engine and alloy wheels". Same with timescales. Once we vote for independence there will be difficult discussions and negotiations to be had both with rUK and with the EU. Neither of these discussions can go very far at present because the rUK are denying that Scotland will ever be independent, and the EU can't openly have such discussions with us until we've made some progress with a referendum.

So I expect there's a lot of thinking going on at SG, and there will ultimately be a white paper setting out some broad principles around both currency and timetable. As said above, where there's a will there's a way. We will get to these things, at the appropriate time.

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Who the #### would buy a yellow car?
Have a word 😜

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They were clear, no special deal. This just backs up my point, if they won't do it for Ukraine why would they change the rules for Scotland?.

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Are you just arguing for arguments sake now??
It WAS a special deal, they were fast tracked to candidate status by way of a vote that bypassed the usual lengthy application process for candidate status.
How on earth does that “back up your point” that the EU don’t provide special treatment??
They DID change the rules for Ukraine and Moldova, so why wouldn’t they fast track Scotland to candidate status in the same way?

Can I just ask: in a modern world where the majority of transactions are done using cards and contactless payment methods: what’s the big deal with using the euro?

I personally couldn’t give a ****, and I’d rather see us use the euro if it meant an easier transition to rejoining the EU.

My parents live in Berwickshire and do their weekly shops in Berwick, but they are in the same boat. Now the borders has always been staunchly pro union, and it’s understandable particularly in the East where the biggest town locally is over the Border, but I wonder if the SNP came and said actually we would adopt the euro if it would ease the issue for lots of people.

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Can I just ask: in a modern world where the majority of transactions are done using cards and contactless payment methods: what’s the big deal with using the euro?

I personally couldn’t give a ****, and I’d rather see us use the euro if it meant an easier transition to rejoining the EU.

My parents live in Berwickshire and do their weekly shops in Berwick, but they are in the same boat. Now the borders has always been staunchly pro union, and it’s understandable particularly in the East where the biggest town locally is over the Border, but I wonder if the SNP came and said actually we would adopt the euro if it would ease the issue for lots of people.

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There is one reason and one reason only why the SNP won't endorse the Euro.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...et-adopt-euro/

"Almost 40 per cent of Scots are less likely to back independence if separation plans appeared on course for the country adopting the euro currency, a new poll has revealed.

The poll by Redford and Wilton Strategies of 1,000 Scottish adults found that 39 per cent would be less likely to support the country’s separation from the rest of the UK if it would then be required to replace the pound with the European currency."

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Can I just ask: in a modern world where the majority of transactions are done using cards and contactless payment methods: what’s the big deal with using the euro?

I personally couldn’t give a ****, and I’d rather see us use the euro if it meant an easier transition to rejoining the EU.

My parents live in Berwickshire and do their weekly shops in Berwick, but they are in the same boat. Now the borders has always been staunchly pro union, and it’s understandable particularly in the East where the biggest town locally is over the Border, but I wonder if the SNP came and said actually we would adopt the euro if it would ease the issue for lots of people.

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I personally don't see any reason we shouldn't adopt the euro as soon as possible. The £ is tanking anyway so the sooner we're out of it the better.

A solution could be to use both the £ and € during a transition period. Phase in the euro for a couple of years, phase out the £ over a couple of years. Sorted.

A lot of the larger shopping chains already have the ability to take multiple currencies at the till and in many countries around the world even smaller shops can can do. It can't be too difficult.

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I personally don't see any reason we shouldn't adopt the euro as soon as possible. The £ is tanking anyway so the sooner we're out of it the better.

A solution could be to use both the £ and € during a transition period. Phase in the euro for a couple of years, phase out the £ over a couple of years. Sorted.

A lot of the larger shopping chains already have the ability to take multiple currencies at the till and in many countries around the world even smaller shops can can do. It can't be too difficult.

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It's the euro that is absolutely tanking, its on par with the dollar for the first time ever. The pound is flying against the euro, its estimated it will soon be the highest its been against the euro in 8 years. Good for the summer holidays

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There is one reason and one reason only why the SNP won't endorse the Euro.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...et-adopt-euro/

"Almost 40 per cent of Scots are less likely to back independence if separation plans appeared on course for the country adopting the euro currency, a new poll has revealed.

The poll by Redford and Wilton Strategies of 1,000 Scottish adults found that 39 per cent would be less likely to support the country’s separation from the rest of the UK if it would then be required to replace the pound with the European currency."

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I’ve never seen that before, thanks.

I personally wouldn’t care if we joined the Euro. Currency is such a chicken **** issue.

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I personally don't see any reason we shouldn't adopt the euro as soon as possible. The £ is tanking anyway so the sooner we're out of it the better.

A solution could be to use both the £ and € during a transition period. Phase in the euro for a couple of years, phase out the £ over a couple of years. Sorted.

A lot of the larger shopping chains already have the ability to take multiple currencies at the till and in many countries around the world even smaller shops can can do. It can't be too difficult.

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Great idea, and as most transactions are online nowadays the currency issue isn’t really a big deal

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Will the no side provide a similar roadmap to how we get out of the post Brexit managed decline we’re in? You only want to talk about the difficulties of independence, of which there are many, but avoid at all costs talking about the difficulties that come with a second no vote.

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Good question. It's a pity you never get an answer to a reasonable question.

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You seem obsessed with Brexit. I suppose when you voted for a party that supported it, it's expected.

You're going round in circles again. 🙈

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Does anyone know the phrase emotional vampire?

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Does anyone know the phrase emotional vampire?

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You used this line a few years ago when making little personal digs at me, why are you using it again?

You send me random YouTube videos as well, you never explained what that was about as well.

Why do you feel the need to do this all the time?

I can start making silly schoolboy jokes about you if you like as well? Shall we do that?

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It's the euro that is absolutely tanking, its on par with the dollar for the first time ever. The pound is flying against the euro, its estimated it will soon be the highest its been against the euro in 8 years. Good for the summer holidays

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Fresh from claiming Scotland has to import energy, your now claiming the pound is flying against the Euro?[emoji23]


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I’ve never seen that before, thanks.

I personally wouldn’t care if we joined the Euro. Currency is such a chicken **** issue.

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Currency is a lot more than what money you spend in the shops. Having your own currency and Central Bank gives you significant control over the economy and allows you the ability to do things like quantative easing and increase/decreasing interest rates as required.

Adoption of the Euro is not a vote winner now hence why you won't see anyone from the SNP endorse it, but if Scotland were to become Independent then I think it would adopt the Euro as the main barrier of Independence has already been achieved.

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Currency is a lot more than what money you spend in the shops. Having your own currency and Central Bank gives you significant control over the economy and allows you the ability to do things like quantative easing and increase/decreasing interest rates as required.

Adoption of the Euro is not a vote winner now hence why you won't see anyone from the SNP endorse it, but if Scotland were to become Independent then I think it would adopt the Euro as the main barrier of Independence has already been achieved.

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I think when the Currency paper is released it will show that the plan is to have a Scottish pound backed by a Scottish central bank which intends to peg the Scottish pound to sterling for an extended transition period.
This allows time for all contracts within Scotland to transfer to the Scottish pound seamlessly. Eventually it will be allowed to float. As the only net exporter in the UK the problem will be in keeping it from strengthening too much compared to the pound.
I don’t think there will be any rush to join the euro. There will need to be a prolonged settling in period for the new currency first and it may be that we never intend to join. That will be for a referendum.
Personally wouldn’t mind but it’s no problem if we don’t.


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It's the euro that is absolutely tanking, its on par with the dollar for the first time ever. The pound is flying against the euro, its estimated it will soon be the highest its been against the euro in 8 years. Good for the summer holidays

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It depends on which direction your flying in. If you go back 40 years, you'll find that the euro used to sit at 1.81 to the pound, its now 1.19. A few months on the upward trajectory isn't really, flying.

The dollar against the euro in the same timescale has remained stable as 1982 levels

Small uplifts for summer holidays are great for families, but we've seen a managed decline of the pound to euro over the years.

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Fresh from claiming Scotland has to import energy, your now claiming the pound is flying against the Euro?[emoji23]


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It's massively a net exporter but it imports alot of gas its stupid to say it doesn't. The pound has went from 1.16 to 1.19 in a month, the highest in 6 years will be broken soon. Its no where near 20 years ago. I was replying to someone who is saying the pound was tanking to the euro, its clearly the opposite.

Gas worries are going to pummel the euro this year. The dollar was worth 0.8 euro 12 months ago its now worth 1. Money markets don't work on what happened 20 year ago, just the years ahead and the euro is tanking

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It's massively a net exporter but it imports alot of gas its stupid to say it doesn't. The pound has went from 1.16 to 1.19 in a month, the highest in 6 years will be broken soon. Its no where near 20 years ago. I was replying to someone who is saying the pound was tanking to the euro, its clearly the opposite.

Gas worries are going to pummel the euro this year. The dollar was worth 0.8 euro 12 months ago its now worth 1. Money markets don't work on what happened 20 year ago, just the years ahead and the euro is tanking

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But not against the pound it’s not.


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But not against the pound it’s not.


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.89 to .84 in just over a month is a big difference to many companies, but more worrying is the next 12 months. The euro is expected to go into recession soon and the euro will be effected by that. The war and Russian gas problems are going to effect them massively

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.89 to .84 in just over a month is a big difference to many companies, but more worrying is the next 12 months. The euro is expected to go into recession soon and the euro will be effected by that. The war and Russian gas problems are going to effect them massively

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While the predictions for the UK economy are downright rosey.[emoji23]


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I'm just saying what the market is predicting for the euro and that is further drops. I was replying to someone who said that the pound is tanking against the Euro it isn't its rising

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Currency is a lot more than what money you spend in the shops. Having your own currency and Central Bank gives you significant control over the economy and allows you the ability to do things like quantative easing and increase/decreasing interest rates as required.

Adoption of the Euro is not a vote winner now hence why you won't see anyone from the SNP endorse it, but if Scotland were to become Independent then I think it would adopt the Euro as the main barrier of Independence has already been achieved.

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I think on your second point if they were to do that they effectively guarantee their post referendum fade in to obscurity. It’s what I think will happen but if they were to betray their currency pledge they would rubber stamp it.

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I'm just saying what the market is predicting for the euro and that is further drops. I was replying to someone who said that the pound is tanking against the Euro it isn't its rising

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I just said the £ was tanking, I didn't specify which currency.

FT last month:
Last week’s interest rate rise by the Bank of England has provided some temporary respite to sterling. But the pound is still 10 per cent weaker against the US dollar compared with its January peak, and 3 per cent weaker against the euro.

Guardian in May:
Ominously, though, in recent weeks the pound has been weak not just against the US dollar but against the euro and other currencies such as the Australian dollar.

And, as we are likely to be in recession deeper and longer than other comparator countries its not looking good for the future.

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He/She does go round in circles a bit.

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He/She does go round in circles a bit.

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I'm just surprised they find the time to keep all these plates spinning 😉

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Who the #### would buy a yellow car?
Have a word 😜

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:greengrin

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I just said the £ was tanking, I didn't specify which currency.

FT last month:
Last week’s interest rate rise by the Bank of England has provided some temporary respite to sterling. But the pound is still 10 per cent weaker against the US dollar compared with its January peak, and 3 per cent weaker against the euro.

Guardian in May:
Ominously, though, in recent weeks the pound has been weak not just against the US dollar but against the euro and other currencies such as the Australian dollar.

And, as we are likely to be in recession deeper and longer than other comparator countries its not looking good for the future.

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The conversation was about us changing to the euro and you gave the week pound as demonstration. Its rising fast in the last month against the euro and is expected to for the next year.

If anyone thinks that euro will do better than the pound then what you should do is convert all your available pounds to euros, you'll make a mint when you convert back.

We also aren't expected to go into derp recession, Germany and euro zone are though. Germany should bounce higher though

It's amazing how many times over the years I've read that Germany is in in financial trouble, or likely to into a deep recession, but I've yet to see it happen.

There have been a number of fluctuations in the German economy over the last couple of decades but it invariably comes back stronger than ever.

I honestly don't think most people realise how resilient the German economy is compared to countries like the UK, mainly due to it being much more diverse.

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It's amazing how many times over the years I've read that Germany is in in financial trouble, or likely to into a deep recession, but I've yet to see it happen.

There have been a number of fluctuations in the German economy over the last couple of decades but it invariably comes back stronger than ever.

I honestly don't think most people realise how resilient the German economy is compared to countries like the UK, mainly due to it being much more diverse.

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Everything is dependent on what Russia does really they were crazy to bank on it after crimea

Germant like the rest of us was just in a deep recession. In future its seen as a given they will have a recession coming up but they should come out of it better than the uk.

Uk might get a depression but the central estimate it small growth the next few years, although that's worse than all the rest of g7 countries
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It's amazing how many times over the years I've read that Germany is in in financial trouble, or likely to into a deep recession, but I've yet to see it happen.

There have been a number of fluctuations in the German economy over the last couple of decades but it invariably comes back stronger than ever.

I honestly don't think most people realise how resilient the German economy is compared to countries like the UK, mainly due to it being much more diverse.

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Their works council and trade union system is the driving force behind their success. Employees actually have a say in how companies are run and they engage and relate far better to their employers than in many other countries. Many football teams in Germany have their roots in large industry because of the bond between employer and employee.

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Their works council and trade union system is the driving force behind their success. Employees actually have a say in how companies are run and they engage and relate far better to their employers than in many other countries. Many football teams in Germany have their roots in large industry because of the bond between employer and employee.

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That’s something I’d like to see happen in an Indy Scotland.


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Everything is dependent on what Russia does really they were crazy to bank on it after crimea

Germant like the rest of us was just in a deep recession. In future its seen as a given they will have a recession coming up but they should come out of it better than the uk.

Uk might get a depression but the central estimate it small growth the next few years, although that's worse than all the rest of g7 countries
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Yeah the reliance on Russian gas via Nordstream is looking a bit stupid now.

The German Kanzler of the time, Gerhard Schröder, has been a big fan of Putin and, up until recently, refused to criticise the invasion of the Ukraine.

Makes you wonder just how much money he's been paid.

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Germany should invade Scotland, make us the 17th Bundesland. Then we can declare independence from them and retain our EU membership.


Aw come on, I've heard worse plans than this...

....anybody want to buy a bridge to Northern Ireland?

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Germany should invade Scotland, make us the 17th Bundesland. Then we can declare independence from them and retain our EU membership.


Aw come on, I've heard worse plans than this...

....anybody want to buy a bridge to Northern Ireland?

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Wonder why the Sunday Mail has resurrected this story from FIVE years ago? A story about a misconduct probe which found no crimes were committed?

I guess it makes a good headline and allows the anti-SNP brigade to have something else to get angry about.

https://archive.ph/RNkN1

https://tfn.scot/news/misconduct-pro...arliament-ends

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Wonder why the Sunday Mail has resurrected this story from FIVE years ago? A story about a misconduct probe which found no crimes were committed?

I guess it makes a good headline and allows the anti-SNP brigade to have something else to get angry about.

https://archive.ph/RNkN1

https://tfn.scot/news/misconduct-pro...arliament-ends

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You seem to have made up a quote from me.

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Wonder why the Sunday Mail has resurrected this story from FIVE years ago? A story about a misconduct probe which found no crimes were committed?

I guess it makes a good headline and allows the anti-SNP brigade to have something else to get angry about.

https://archive.ph/RNkN1

https://tfn.scot/news/misconduct-pro...arliament-ends

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If this story was about a Tory councilor who had a history of sexual impropriety would your first reaction be why is the newspaper digging up an old story to make the Tory's look bad? Yet that's what you seem to be doing here, unless I am mistaken?

Do you know the details?

https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/...BafDtgWGQ&s=19


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The SNP were warned their former North Lanarkshire Council leader, Jordan Linden, was "not fit" to represent the party.
Linden resigned this week after it was alleged that he sent explicit pictures to a 14-year-old boy and allegedly sexually assaulted a teenager in a hotel.

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Do you know the details?

The SNP were warned their former North Lanarkshire Council leader, Jordan Linden, was "not fit" to represent the party.
Linden resigned this week after it was alleged that he sent explicit pictures to a 14-year-old boy and allegedly sexually assaulted a teenager in a hotel.

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The articles I posted refer to 2017, when this person was initially in the news. At that time - 5 years ago - there was an internal inquiry and then the police were asked to investigate. Neither investigation found any criminality.

So yes, they were warned. They investigated and found nothing. If he has now resigned (again) for similar activities then perhaps the initial complaint may in hindsight seem to have had some validity. But the article in the paper focuses on the fact they were warned about his behaviour. Acting on that warning, two separate investigations occurred, one by the police, and no criminality was found. I'm not sure what else they could have done?

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Sorry I didn't mean to imply it was a quote from you - I was quoting your post, I just wanted to summarise the newspaper article that you posted without reproducing it and taking up unnecessary space in the thread. You didn't actually say anything in your post. I'm sorry if you didn't realise that was what I was doing - I thought it was obvious.

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The articles I posted refer to 2017, when this person was initially in the news. At that time - 5 years ago - there was an internal inquiry and then the police were asked to investigate. Neither investigation found any criminality.

So yes, they were warned. They investigated and found nothing. If he has now resigned (again) for similar activities then perhaps the initial complaint may in hindsight seem to have had some validity. But the article in the paper focuses on the fact they were warned about his behaviour. Acting on that warning, two separate investigations occurred, one by the police, and no criminality was found. I'm not sure what else they could have done?

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Is that you Nicola :tee hee::greengrin:greengrin

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Sounds like a plan to be honest :greengrin

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OK, so we've got two in favour.

Time for a petition, maybe?


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OK, so we've got two in favour.

Time for a petition, maybe?


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Ach, nae point until 60% of hibs.net agree 🤔😁

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Is that you Nicola :tee hee::greengrin:greengrin

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I guess I should be pleased you didn't call me Jimmy Krankie! :greengrin

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I never call the FM Jimmy Krankie….. Nippy, well that’s another story :na na:

After minimum pricing came in there was a noticeable drop in food purchasing study shows

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35898560/

Background: On the 1st of May 2018 Scotland became the first country to introduce minimum unit pricing (MUP) for alcohol sales. The objective of this study is to identify the effects of this policy instrument on food purchasing by evaluating a natural experiment.

Methods: Longitudinal analysis compares regions with similar characteristics but differing exposure to MUP (Scotland and the north of England). Secondary data from the ****ar Worldpanel on itemised purchases between April 2017 and April 2019 provided a total sample of 8051 households. The outcomes analysed are weekly household expenditure (£s) and purchase volume (grams), both overall and disaggregated to 16 product categories.

Results: Following the introduction of MUP, total household food expenditure in Scotland declined by 1.0%, 95%CI [-1.9%, -0.0%], and total food volume declined by 0.8%, 95%CI [-1.7%, 0.2%] compared to the north of England. There is variation in response between product categories, with less spending on fruit and vegetables and increased spending on crisps and snacks.

Conclusion: Minimum unit pricing for alcohol has displaced some household food purchasing and the pattern of changes in food categories appears to be less desirable from a healthy diet perspective. However, changes caused by a minimum price at a nominal 50 pence per unit of alcohol are relatively small.

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Worth it then.

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Worth it then.

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Problem drinking hasn't gone down and substance charities are saying they are causing people to move to cheap drugs.

The snp aren't a football team you don't have to support all they do. If this policy has a net benefit brilliant, if it doesn't then it would be better going

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Problem drinking hasn't gone down and substance charities are saying they are causing people to move to cheap drugs.

The snp aren't a football team you don't have to support all they do. If this policy has a net benefit brilliant, if it doesn't then it would be better going

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I’m pretty sure there was a report out recently that said it had been a success?

https://arc-nenc.nihr.ac.uk/news/mup-50p-impact-study/

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Problem drinking hasn't gone down and substance charities are saying they are causing people to move to cheap drugs.

The snp aren't a football team you don't have to support all they do. If this policy has a net benefit brilliant, if it doesn't then it would be better going

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You seem to have a real issue with this policy, this isn't the first time you've posted about it.

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I’m pretty sure there was a report out recently that said it had been a success?

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There will be something wrong with that report that totally invalidates the findings.

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I’m pretty sure there was a report out recently that said it had been a success?

https://arc-nenc.nihr.ac.uk/news/mup-50p-impact-study/

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Problem drinking hasn't dropped, drink sales went down but are creeping up last two years.

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You seem to have a real issue with this policy, this isn't the first time you've posted about it.

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I hardly drink nowadays and can afford the increase so am fortunate. If it works I'll be delighted but if it doesn't it will make people poorer and supermarkets richer.

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I hardly drink nowadays and can afford the increase so am fortunate. If it works I'll be delighted but if it doesn't it will make people poorer and supermarkets richer.

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Would be better if it was a tax but unfortunately we don’t have that power.


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Problem drinking hasn't gone down and substance charities are saying they are causing people to move to cheap drugs.

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I'm not sure the policy was aimed at people with drink problems, I think the intention was to make it more expensive to develop a problem.

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I'm not sure the policy was aimed at people with drink problems, I think the intention was to make it more expensive to develop a problem.

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I'm not sure the policy was aimed at people with drink problems, I think the intention was to make it more expensive to develop a problem.

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It was definitely to focus on problem drinkers, large section of the material was about cheap high alcohol drink. If it didn't reduce harmful drinking but really reduced overall drinking that would be fine by me. But if its at the cost of lives in people switching to benzos it won't be.

We need a team monitoring it and particularly one who will admit if something doesn't work. Teen drinking has been plummeting for the last 20 years so things will get better. Contrary to belief our drinking is pretty average in European levels also.

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Is that you Nicola :tee hee::greengrin:greengrin

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Seemed a pretty well thought out response.

J

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Seemed a pretty well thought out response.

J

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He used a real Nic name.

That's progress. 👍

https://www.conter.scot/2022/8/5/how...te-profiteers/

How SNP Sold Scotland to Corporate Profiteers

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It was definitely to focus on problem drinkers, large section of the material was about cheap high alcohol drink. If it didn't reduce harmful drinking but really reduced overall drinking that would be fine by me. But if its at the cost of lives in people switching to benzos it won't be.

We need a team monitoring it and particularly one who will admit if something doesn't work. Teen drinking has been plummeting for the last 20 years so things will get better. Contrary to belief our drinking is pretty average in European levels also.

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Thing with that is though - and I know this as a guy who drinks the stuff and would happily pay extra for it when I fancy it - buckfast didn’t increase in price. It was already priced higher than the minimum pricing per unit of alcohol. I can’t speak on other cheaper alcoholic brands that are associated with problem drinking, such as MD 20/20 and Dragon Soop etc but surely if you want to “target” problem drinkers, these are the types of drinks that should’ve been increasing in price. I’m sure the cheap, high strength lagers and ciders probably increased in price, but problem drinkers who used to like the odd frosty jacks will have just moved onto Buckfast, Eldorado, MD etc. I’m not saying the policy is bad, it was poorly thought out and executed though.


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https://www.conter.scot/2022/8/5/how...te-profiteers/

How SNP Sold Scotland to Corporate Profiteers

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No wonder the socialists aren't in Government anywhere.

Shirley Sturgeon must resign now that Ferrier has pleaded guilty?

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Shirley Sturgeon must resign now that Ferrier has pleaded guilty?

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Shirley Sturgeon must resign now that Ferrier has pleaded guilty?

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Why? Surely ferrier is the only one who has to resign.

Edit: just realised that it was irony 😂

Has Ferrier changed her plea? I seem to recall she planned to plead not guilty (though what her defence would have been who knows).

Does the guilty plea impact on her ability to sit tight as an MP until 2024/25?

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Has Ferrier changed her plea? I seem to recall she planned to plead not guilty (though what her defence would have been who knows).

Does the guilty plea impact on her ability to sit tight as an MP until 2024/25?

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Unless she receives a prison sentence of more than a year she is free to stay in position and draw her salary. Hopefully she spends that time representing her constituents to the best of her abilities.
A prison sentence of less than a year may allow her constituents to take action to remove her.

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Unless she receives a prison sentence of more than a year she is free to stay in position and draw her salary. Hopefully she spends that time representing her constituents to the best of her abilities.
A prison sentence of less than a year may allow her constituents to take action to remove her.

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Or the house could suspend her for 10 days which allows for recall.


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Unless she gets a custodial ( or suspended) sentence I’m not so sure the house can do anything. Bottom line is she should do the right thing.
On a human level she has already paid a terrible price in terms of her reputation for this. The hounding of her by the press when it broke would be hard for any of us to handle. And as a 60 something woman giving up her employment at her stage of life is a much greater sacrifice to make.

I haven't been paying attention to this story.

But does it come down to the fact that she travelled to Westminster when she was ill because Rees-Mogg wouldn't allow the House of Commons to sit remotely?

It seems to me she is paying a huge price - admittedly she was wrong to travel - but I don't anywhere see any discussion about why Parliament couldn't have continued to operate remotely?

Maybe I'm wrong.

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I haven't been paying attention to this story.

But does it come down to the fact that she travelled to Westminster when she was ill because Rees-Mogg wouldn't allow the House of Commons to sit remotely?

It seems to me she is paying a huge price - admittedly she was wrong to travel - but I don't anywhere see any discussion about why Parliament couldn't have continued to operate remotely?

Maybe I'm wrong.

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?? She travelled to Scotland from Westminster after getting her positive result. Its inexcusable. Us plebs had to isolate sometimes in a room seperated away from our family

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I haven't been paying attention to this story.

But does it come down to the fact that she travelled to Westminster when she was ill because Rees-Mogg wouldn't allow the House of Commons to sit remotely?

It seems to me she is paying a huge price - admittedly she was wrong to travel - but I don't anywhere see any discussion about why Parliament couldn't have continued to operate remotely?

Maybe I'm wrong.

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She knew that she was positive and still continued to travel on public transport…

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?? She travelled to Scotland from Westminster after getting her positive result. Its inexcusable. Us plebs had to isolate sometimes in a room seperated away from our family

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She knew that she was positive and still continued to travel on public transport…

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Can either of you read?

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... she was wrong to travel ...

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Unless she gets a custodial ( or suspended) sentence I’m not so sure the house can do anything. Bottom line is she should do the right thing.
On a human level she has already paid a terrible price in terms of her reputation for this. The hounding of her by the press when it broke would be hard for any of us to handle. And as a 60 something woman giving up her employment at her stage of life is a much greater sacrifice to make.

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Does her reputation involve doing the right thing at any time in the past? Seems like a bare faced grifter to me.

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Can either of you read?

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Your trying to defend her by the fact her work was still on like a big % of the country. Politicians like all others didn't have to go to work if they were positive. She went to the gym too after feeling unwell and getting a test, is that the tories fault too. Clutching at straws

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Your trying to defend her by the fact her work was still on like a big % of the country. Politicians like all others didn't have to go to work if they were positive. She went to the gym too after feeling unwell and getting a test, is that the tories fault too. Clutching at straws

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I'm not clutching at straws! I'm not trying to exonerate her. I'm simply asking whether the fact that the HoC would not allow remote working was a factor in her behaviour. I always thought it daft that JRM would not allow a virtual sitting of Parliament, and I always thought it would adversely affect those who had to travel distances - e.g. all the Scottish MPs - of whichever party. If she'd been WFH this wouldn't have happened.

Why is it that when someone posts a simple comment on here they get jumped on from a great height by all and sundry?

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Why is it that when someone posts a simple comment on here they get jumped on from a great height by all and sundry?

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I know what you mean. There is nothing in your post that suggests you think she was anything else but wrong. In fact, you might feel stronger about it than either of the other two posters. You're just broadening the discussion to contextualise. Cue finger wagging.

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I haven't been paying attention to this story.

But does it come down to the fact that she travelled to Westminster when she was ill because Rees-Mogg wouldn't allow the House of Commons to sit remotely?

It seems to me she is paying a huge price - admittedly she was wrong to travel - but I don't anywhere see any discussion about why Parliament couldn't have continued to operate remotely?

Maybe I'm wrong.

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She was just trying to keep her expenses down and not wanting to claim 14 nights of dinner, bed and breakfast in a London hotel. 🤔😉

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I'm not clutching at straws! I'm not trying to exonerate her. I'm simply asking whether the fact that the HoC would not allow remote working was a factor in her behaviour. I always thought it daft that JRM would not allow a virtual sitting of Parliament, and I always thought it would adversely affect those who had to travel distances - e.g. all the Scottish MPs - of whichever party. If she'd been WFH this wouldn't have happened.

Why is it that when someone posts a simple comment on here they get jumped on from a great height by all and sundry?

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Because it doesn't make sense. Look at the Cummings threads everyone bashed him rightly with zero defence or excuses.

Before she travelled to England she felt ill took a test in Scotland, she then went to the gym, hair salon and shops whilst waiting for her results. Take out the travel completely and she still behaved disgustingly.

When you see the moving about she done, she has to go. It is indefensible. She should resign although I can understand why she won’t. The sums of money involved are huge and it will be her last job likely.
Hopefully there is a way she can be removed from post.


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Mixed bag on homelessness

https://mobile.twitter.com/ginadavid...91380344938497

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NEW: statistics on homelessness in Scotland just out
⬆️No of children in temp accom up by 17% to 8,635 in March from 7,385 in March 2021
⬆️People becoming homeless from private rent sector 15%, was 11% in 2020-21
⬇️ 2,129 households rough sleeping during the previous 3 months

⬇️ 1,304 rough sleeping the night before the application. Both of these are the lowest in the time series (since 2002-03)
➡️ Housing minister Shona Robison says rough sleeping stats are “encouraging” but is “deeply concerned” at the rise in children in temporary accommodation

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Children in temporary accommodation
Record high in 2022 at 8,635
More than doubled (+108%) since 2014 of 4,155

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I haven't been paying attention to this story.

But does it come down to the fact that she travelled to Westminster when she was ill because Rees-Mogg wouldn't allow the House of Commons to sit remotely?

It seems to me she is paying a huge price - admittedly she was wrong to travel - but I don't anywhere see any discussion about why Parliament couldn't have continued to operate remotely?

Maybe I'm wrong.

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Rees-Mogg's fault :-D

I do love the way folk will try to find ways to blame anything and everything on the Tories...

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I know what you mean. There is nothing in your post that suggests you think she was anything else but wrong. In fact, you might feel stronger about it than either of the other two posters. You're just broadening the discussion to contextualise. Cue finger wagging.

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Totally agree. The admins were quick to jump to John/James when he complained about similar issues. The posters who have taken gru ta post completely the wrong way are out of order IMO.

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Does her reputation involve doing the right thing at any time in the past? Seems like a bare faced grifter to me.

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She was wrong in what she did, I am not defending that. That doesn’t mean I can’t show some empathy, we aren’t talking about somebody evil here. The world must seem like an exceedingly lonely place for this woman right now. .

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Rees-Mogg's fault :-D

I do love the way folk will try to find ways to blame anything and everything on the Tories...

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You can’t say that …out of order and jumping from a great height …

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Mixed bag on homelessness

https://mobile.twitter.com/ginadavid...91380344938497

ginadavidsonlbc
NEW: statistics on homelessness in Scotland just out
⬆️No of children in temp accom up by 17% to 8,635 in March from 7,385 in March 2021
⬆️People becoming homeless from private rent sector 15%, was 11% in 2020-21
⬇️ 2,129 households rough sleeping during the previous 3 months

⬇️ 1,304 rough sleeping the night before the application. Both of these are the lowest in the time series (since 2002-03)
➡️ Housing minister Shona Robison says rough sleeping stats are “encouraging” but is “deeply concerned” at the rise in children in temporary accommodation

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Record high in 2022 at 8,635
More than doubled (+108%) since 2014 of 4,155

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Context

https://www.bigissue.com/news/housin...u-do-about-it/

also

https://www.bigissue.com/news/housin...ld-hard-facts/

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Mixed bag on homelessness

https://mobile.twitter.com/ginadavid...91380344938497

ginadavidsonlbc
NEW: statistics on homelessness in Scotland just out
[emoji3595]No of children in temp accom up by 17% to 8,635 in March from 7,385 in March 2021
[emoji3595]People becoming homeless from private rent sector 15%, was 11% in 2020-21
[emoji3596] 2,129 households rough sleeping during the previous 3 months

[emoji3596] 1,304 rough sleeping the night before the application. Both of these are the lowest in the time series (since 2002-03)
[emoji3591] Housing minister Shona Robison says rough sleeping stats are “encouraging” but is “deeply concerned” at the rise in children in temporary accommodation

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Children in temporary accommodation
Record high in 2022 at 8,635
More than doubled (+108%) since 2014 of 4,155

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I fear those statistics will get a lot worse over the next couple of years. And I won’t be blaming the SNP for it.


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I fear those statistics will get a lot worse over the next couple of years. And I won’t be blaming the SNP for it.


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For once we agree…down to Tory mismanagement