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I'm beginning to waver here. I have, however, another straw to clutch at.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
What about the fact that RFC (IA) are no longer a member of the SPL? So Hearts are not owed anything by another member. The SPL would withhold RFC's money and....adjust Hearts' share unilaterally? Is that allowed?
Or they could just say "sorry, Hearts, you're getting nothing more. We're keeping it."
A state of the art UEFA licensed 55k capcity football stadium
An ajoining car par where away fans can get parked up and stoned (both ways)
A state of the art training facility in the leafy burbs of Glasgow
FFS!!!
Get this sorted!!
Rotten fish give off less odour.
Surely the FSA ha to scrutinise this "deal" and rag the lot of them off.
Grrrrrrr!!
:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:
It's a strange ons indeed. If the money is being paid to HMFC because RFC owed them then the SPL must reckon it was money due to RFC which means their must be a legal claim by non-football creditors of RFC. Do SPL rules trump the rule of law?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
It won't be the FSA that challenge it, but it will be BDO.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibeesLittleHel
Huh? The British Darts Organisation?!!:wink:
They have more chance of hitting the bullseye than the FSA do :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by HibeesLittleHel
Yeah true but despite my pathetic attempt at humour I am outraged that this obvious cronyism and manipulation of the rules can even be contemplated never mindcompleted.
Ibrox alone is prime real estate even with the listed building order on it. You only need look at what Arsenal did to Highbury to realise the potential value of the land and fixtures. What guarantees have Sevco given that'll stop them doing the dirty deed and moving th New Team to Milngavie or Easterhouse?
The defence will be "this was the only offer". However, that will be difficult to defend.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibeesLittleHel
Rest assured that the liquidators will be looking closely at this when they are appointed. As I understand the rules, even if Sevco do as you say and move the team, whilst selling off the properties, the liquidators will be able to sue them for any profit.
Many probably do Joe although some seem genuinely ashamed the tax dodging etc has gone on and feel rightly or wrongly that by starting at the bottom they can remove some of the tarnish. With such a big support base I would think there is the full spectrum from neo nazi filth and loyalist nut jobs through to guys who have been brought up as supporters but who hate all that crap. It does tend to be the former who come through to ER unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe breezy
down the line. I'm more worried about the here and now. £1-5m for these assets is derisory and no reflection of the market value IMHO.
For the realisation of the assests to be denied to the creditors of Rangers Plc is wrong and all creditors includingus as taxpayers willl lose out.
Grrrrrrr!
But if it plays out as I expect, that money will go to the creditors. The legal costs of chasing it too, I would hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibeesLittleHel
A days worth of columbian marching powder for garry?
I'd also debate any parallel with Highbury. Have you been down there? There is absolutely no comparison to Ibrox - and surrounding environs. If Ibrox was turned into flats, they'd be hard pushed to sell them for £100k - never mind £1M+. I don't think it could ever be classed as prime real estate. Govan ain't Islington.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibeesLittleHel
I'd agree with you, providing Sevco have to pay the costs for both sides. Lawyers charge even more than accountants!Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Huns RIP were still a member of the SPL at the end of the season, hence their entitlement to the prize money and the SPL being able to divert it to Hearts. Next straw? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
If this has been posted already, I apologise for the duplicate, but the internet here is quite slow tonight and I can't be bothered going back through the previous pages:
http://www.clydefc.co.uk/news/2012/07/12/4141/
It's clear that after all their sterling efforts Cropley and Caversham need a long holiday. Perhaps a cruise?
http://youtu.be/7YUiBBltOg4
I think I may be admitting defeat here. Until the Court case. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
Do I have to share a cabin with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liberal Hibby
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18816436
Once again that overused canard "why punish the fans etc"
I think the fans had a nice day out at Wembley a few years back, basically on the back of a club overspending-DO YOU HEAR US HUNS??!!
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I'm sure there was some discussion of this about 200 pages ago...:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Some probably are, however the person I refer to was talking about keeping the transfer embargo too and repaying back as much of the debt as the club could, whilst surviving. His whole position on the subject was about 'dignity'.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe breezy
I am under no illusions that he is not in the minority though.
Yup fraid so, and to paraphrase a song from way back by The Cranberries:
"With their flags and their 'loyalty',
and their rants and their hate...
...what's in your head, zombiehun, zombiehun, zombiehun?"
:cb:
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Originally Posted by calmac12000
The thing is, they would walk every league with the teams they've had over all the last years and years of cheating.
Those players from last season have now mostly done walking away and irrespective of Chuckie Doll / SFA v's various English clubs in court, the fact is those players have gone.
ZombieHuns now have a raggletaggle of disparates and children playing for them and unless Chuckie Doll can somehow raise silly money to get back on the old "we have great expensive players" wagon of lies then I am (fingers crossed) not so sure about them raging through the divisions ready for a 2015 return to the SPL.
As a coincidentally corrupt boss of mine once said to a co-worker, "Things change." :cb:
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Originally Posted by joe breezy
Thou dost protest too much. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
His nickname is Big Daddy by the way.
Shirley not?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
Alloa latest to say GTF to Regan and Doncaster.
This now has nothing to do with the currants and is all about a power struggle. If this is the best that Doncaster and Regan can dish up then I expect resignations to be penned when the vote and swing of power goes against them tomorrow afternoon.
Alloa says D3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfZTOq7D390&feature=player_embedded
Piss off Gordon Smith
Well Said Alex Thomson
And he's got giant haystacksQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Raith rovers and Clyde should play each other in a pre season integrity cup match.
Another vote tomorrow! Still shaking my head in disbelief that the spl had to vote them out. Why no vote for division 2?
The Scotland Tonight debate (tonight). :grr::brickwall:take that
If you didn't see it, the three smillies explains. On the bright side, its like the night before Christmas and Gordon Smith is about to get his bag of coal, fud :greengrin
As for Archie :bye: :na na::faf::dummytit:
Agreed, only Thompson spoke any sense and as for Archie he should have been put down years ago, he's like the bumbling old fool from the fast showQuote:
Originally Posted by Emerald
They are part of a football ecosystem that has palpably failed Scottish football over the last 14 years, and still they just cannot see past it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
There's an interview in The Herald tomorrow with the old SPL chief exec Roger Mitchell. His verdict: "The SPL will be consigned by history as a 14-year error of judgment." Pretty damning stuff.
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Originally Posted by hibs0666
Yep bit like politics in that everyone likes to blame each other or say it was down to the mess they inherited
im growing fed up of it now, only morbid fascination is keeping me going, really hope we at least get a bit closure either way tomorrow
Agree, 100% -what is it with these Muppets they just don't get it do they, FFS its not bloody rocket science!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
:rules::rules::rules::cb
Smith is a tramp, that is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mainboy19
I think its embarrassing that an English journo is the only person talking any sense on this subject within the media. When Smith started talking about "most league titles, 4 European finals..." someone had to step in and ask him how many of these titles have been won by cheating and clearly spending well outwith their means.
If SPL 2 is rushed through in an attempt to get these cheats back into the top division in one season then Scottish football will die on its feet. It will show just how corrupt or game is. This whole incident has been a joke from day one every other nation is laughing at us. I would hate to say that I would never return to Hibs because its in the blood I love supporting my team but if these creeps attempt to fast track a team that has stolen money from the public purse for years into the top division, hand on heart my love for football in this country will die.
Would the SPL or SFA do this for us back when we were close to going out of business? will they do it should Mad Vlad decide enough is enough? I have my doubts.
Regan and Doncaster must go!!!
:giruy::giruy::giruy:
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Originally Posted by hibs0666
Stinging :top marks
"We must remember we are here to manage and administer our National game and not to implement anyones narrow will against the avalanche of public and fan opinion, using the excuse of promises of changes which should be taking place anyway." - Mike Mulraney, Alloa Chairman.
I loved Archie and Smith continually questioning the "motivation" of some fans wanting "Rangers" to be put in Div 3 (i.e. treated like ANY OTHER CLUB). Talk about hypocrisy ? :rolleyes: Smith was banging on about 54 league titles, 4 euro finals, blah blah as if that's a logical reason to treat them preferentially. Alex Thomson is the only one who is not driven by their emotions or have a vested interest in supporting "Rangers".Quote:
Originally Posted by edinburghhibee
So, once Regan and Doncaster resign today (as they should), people like Smith and Archie should be retired and fresh views/ideas and commentators brought in. New refs from abroad, new commentators (get Alex Thomson signed up !), new media and some of the SFL Chairmen promoted to higher positions within the game. Let the cleansing begin...
Todays the day when we will find out if scottish football can sink any lower or if it will finally draw a line under this disgraceful saga and do the right thing.
Today is also the day when I hope to find out if I can continue to watch my club next season.
Well done the Wasps. A well run community football club who know the right thing to do. They are at the centre of so many local initiatives and really are the complete opposite in every respect to the Huns.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
Hunmageddon part 2 I hope everyone sticks with their word :agree:
It has been said that Dundee are not allowed to vote, but Dunfermline are. Can anyone explain that for me, because there hasn't been a decision on who, if anyone, will replace Rangers (RIP) in the SPL
Have we worked out who their main "Taig" rivals are gonna be in each division on the way up? They can stop pretending it's all about football after todays vote.
Lawyers have stated all 30 clubs entitled to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitlochry hibee
Great to see the statements from teams like Alloa, Peterhead, Raith Rovers and Clyde.
I'm ashamed of the way Hibs and the other SPL clubs have acted though.
Sporting integrity Rod says knowing full well they'll try and force SFL clubs to ignore sporting integrity and be blackmailed- very poor.
Maybe this kind if corruption is common place in football and we just don't usually hear about it?
I'd be a lot more comfortable supporting Hibs financially if those involved in operation Donkeycaster were to resign.
I've met him and he's a decent guy but he's a ka hunt when it comes down to ra Gers/OF are be all and end all.Quote:
Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
Off to Newcastle today for work so I just hope that the borders will be open when I come back tonight...giving all the chat about social anarchy blahblahblah
:wink:
Just really hoping it is a decision for the 3rd division today and we can draw a line under this shambles and everybody can get back to worrying about Hibs prospects next season.
If it is div3 .... What a prospect for a new dawn for Scottish football.
I just hope the administrators of our game dont conspire to screw that up as well ..... because their handling of this farce has been a disaster.
I hope there is no vote today. Ideally it will drag on until it's too late for newco to play anywhere.
It was mentioned on the news on TV last night, before the Alloa statement was released, that the meeting today is being chaired by the Alloa secretary. I find that rather interesting.:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
On BBC Scotland this morning, John Yorkston confirmed that Dunfermline will vote for SFL3 and he was pretty confident that the majority of clubs would be of a similar view.
He was spoke about the delay in the decision as to whether it is Dunfermiine or Dundee for the SPL place. He said that, if the vote goes against Newco going into SFL1, the SPL are likely to meet again on Monday and vote them into the SPL.
If that was to happen, then Regan's 'death of scottish football' nightmare would become a reality.
Smaller clubs totally disregarded.
No mention of the small clubs often pivotal role within their respective communities.
"lack of ambition" aimed at the smaller club (probably because they dont spend their way to oblivion)
Other fans "motivation" questioned, no mention that cheating may be part of it.
Criminality only mentioned by the Englishman.
No mention of defrauding the taxman, and the state, of the best part of £100m.
Why do they argue about the economics when, clearly, the Rangers model has been proved to be flawed. And probably illegal.
No mention of the £1m saved by Strathclyde Police, and god knows how much by the NHS and support agencies.
Smith seems to think Sevco are still Rangers. If they pay their bills Gogs they will be.
TV deal and "Rupert" gets what he wants when Rupert has not let on what he wants, in fact he looks like he couldnt care less. maybe he has bigger worries? Shurely not.
(perhaps we should phone Sky to cancel the sports package as they might not be showing SPL football next season. All the pundits are telling us this? I will call today)
No mention that Rangers have been trying to leave Scottish football for nearly 20 years now. Every slightly ambivalent comment by anyone remotely connected with teh English leagues has been seized upon as positive.
Why do they all try to drag Celtic into Rangers mess?
Seems like Smith, MacPherson and the like, are part of the problem.
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Originally Posted by Onion
Finding one good thing to say about him, I'll volunteer that he caused stunned silence one Saturday afternoon on a BBC Radio Scotland hunlovein with Young and Traynor by openly stating that he, Smith, was a Rangers fan. He all but challenged the others to there and then give up their St Mirren and Airdrie pish, which naturally they didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
I'm undecided betweenQuote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875
No vote
or
Division 3 followed by Green walking away and Sevco getting liquidated.
Any idea what time the vote is today. Want to know when I may get some good news:agree:
The meeting is a waste of time and money. Just get the SFL club chairmen to email in their decisions. It'll save them dragging their beer bellies and ill-fitting suits up the Hampden steps in the hope of being glimpsed on Reporting Scotland.
Division 3 for the New Huns and they should consider themselves lucky they are not down in the West of Scotland Juniors.
We need to see some common sense today, this will be a new club with no business history, we do not know if they will be run well or have what it takes to complete a season, the last thing we need if they are not able to run with new club is this carry on again.
The only thing that can and should be done is go by the rules more than ever. No club should ever be given the chance to come in at this level especially one with no proof they can actually run it behind them. Division 3 it has to be and if run well and they win it then they earn their spot if they fail to get the club running then it is nice and easy to remove them for your Spartans etc. They would already be getting done a favour getting in ahead of some clubs anyways.
Personally i think that time has come and gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875
Just over 2 weeks before the season kicks off. No business plan, no team, no ground (Green claims to have Ibrox but liquidators will review that), insignificant season tickets sales.
If they can't fulfil their initial fixtures, then are they going to accept 3-0 defeats or will they argue against it?
I cant see how their application for SFL3 would be approved over any other team who have the above in place.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
If there's any doubt at all that SevcoHuns can complete the season, there should be no question of them being admitted to any division of the SFL. Those diddy club chairmen who want to see details of SevcoHun ownership etc before they vote on anything are spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsberg
I still firmly believe, come Monday evening, the huns will be Club 12 playing in the SPL :cb
A question for Gordon, if I may.Quote:
Originally Posted by edinburghhibee
In 2000, Spain won the gold medal medal for basketball at the paralympics.
It was subsequently discovered that none of their players had any form of disability.
Do you agree, that Spain should have been allowed to retain their gold medal?
And do you agree that Ben Johnson's 100 metre world record time of 9.79 seconds lasted for 13 years until it was finally beaten by Tim Montgomery in 2002?
Well if I didn't despise Traynor enough already, his piece today pleading not to put rangers in the 3rd has sealed the deal.
Rangers to the 1st is for the greater good apparently.
And of the lower league clubs - "they are little more than unambitious social clubs within their communities".
He describes anyone wanting rangers in the 3rd as jackasses.
P.s - I only bought the paper because of the vote today
Between that and the drivel by Burley I really hope these clubs refuse them entry altogether. Then we'll see what the next move is by the 'sporting integrity' :rolleyes: people of the SPL when their plans tae bully, blackmail and bribe these clubs have backfired.Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
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Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Your Call on BBC going to be a hoot next season, Traynor taking calls from incensed Sevco supporters complaining about getting lost on the way to Elgin or Peterhead and getting a up hedge up their backside in Brechin.
Might have time to take a few calls from non-Old Firm fans, that's assuming Traynor still is employed by the BBC.
I don't know why but I can't wait for reporting scotland tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Imagine describing his club, Airdrie, like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
If so then safe to say Scottish football is finished. No one will go back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gingertosser
The Telegraph does't pull its punches on the stewardship of Regan and Doncaster.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...thorities.html
My dread scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gingertosser
Would explain why no decision on Dundee or Dunfermline though, I've never been able to work out the delay on that one.
:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
By the way, if I was a Director of an SFL club I would ban him until he apologised.
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Originally Posted by hibs0666
"Threats and bribes...." Strong stuff!
Calling it what it is!Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
:greengrin Ha, ha. You've just summed up the mood on this entire thread. Totally agree hopefully the right thing will be done today and then everyone can move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Best suggestion yet for the new name for Sevco: "I can't believe it's not Rangers" :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
i'm not sure who i detest the most
1. neil doncaster
2. stewart regan
3. old huns
4. new huns
5. jim traynor
6. craig burley
7. gordhun smith
8. craig whyte
9. hun neds McCoist/brown/jardine
10. Duff and Phelps
11. archie McPhershun
12. Brechin city
the dirty dozen
Alex Thompsons latest blog is claiming a leaked Stewart Regan email set out the plan and timetable to get the Huns into 1st division and in it he asks Rod Petrie to breif Charles Green on what is happening.
I feel our chairman is playing us all for fools. By clearly being part of the cut up of Scottish football
Thing is newco buns have to apply to the SFL for admittance, why does everyone think they will even be admitted.Now, wouldnt it be funny as ---k if they are turned down hahahahahaha......
Hopefully the SFL will put paid to all their plans :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Surely no! "sporting integrity is beyond purchase"Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
“In parallel to the above, could Rod Petrie please brief Charles Green confidentially on the discussions from a Scottish FA perspective so that there are ‘no surprises’ and there is a general acceptance of the plan…”Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
So the “Rangers” boss gets full briefings on the quiet to keep him sweet whilst -as clubs like Clyde make clear – they go begging for basic information about what’s on offer in return for soft-landing Mr Green’s Blues.
if true then RP has lost all my respect
Mr Petrie should do the honourable thing and resign from either the Hibs board or from his position at the SFA. His position in blatantly trying to shoehorn the newco into SFL1 is an absolute disgrace.
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He should have resigned on 05/11/11.Quote:
Originally Posted by declan macmanus
Heres my guess at a timeline....
SFL clubs rightly will vote them into Div3 today.
SPL/SFA will then step in and we will have SPL2 by Monday with Newco Sevco in there.
BDO will uncover some serious bad stuff at liquidated Old Co.
Various Court cases will be going on as to who owns what to whom from when.
Newco Sevco will then struggle their way through 2-3 months of season (remember this will be the same business model that still lost £4M in 3 months while in Admin FFS) before being they are put in Admin.
And we're back to where we are just now, but with the game in an even bigger mess than before.
As someone said previously, how can anyone just allow them into a league without some proper guarantee they are not going to go
t!t$ up is beyond any sensible person.
And Charlie Green scribbling on the back of a fag packet is not a business plan format I am familiar with.
Anyone think there is any chance that Doncaster will come out afterwards and say that SFL3 (which is looking likely) is not a viable option and then say that they will be allowed into the SPL after all?
Nothing would surprise me anymore.
Under his remit (SFA or SPL?) he has to do as instructed by the boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Reading parts of the email available, by not referring to him as RP (as others have been by initials) he's either not included in the email, or Regan is asking the others to instruct him to do it.
Is there love lost between Regan and Petrie?
This is just a farce now, the SFA should have cleaned this up a long time ago. Regan and Doncaster out.
Anyone know what time we might hear some news about the vote?
Some strange dates on those articles. One is Thursday 14th June and the DR one is 25th June. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by devonjock
Protest by Rangers fans. :thumbsup:
http://api.plixi.com/api/tpapi.svc/i...Fs%2F224585512
The meeting is at 11am. "At the conclusion of the meeting there will be a buffet lunch".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossco1875
At 2pm there will be a ritual sacrifice of ..... someone.
These clowns Regan and Doncaster are doing more damage to the Scottish game than even Rangers FC 1872-2012 (RIP). I want no changes to the structure to accomodate Sevco 2012 in a SPL 2 set up. These pair of Sevco agents must be removed!
indeed, spouting off about 'sporting integrity' then being party tae two organisations that are blackmailing, bribing and threatening the clubs of another.Quote:
Originally Posted by declan macmanus
http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1390/5...b16f5ba3_q.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/191500...dpetrie150.jpg
Dear Scott
Many thanks for your response. I realise how busy you will have been dealing with correspondence at this difficult time.
With Rod Petrie proclaiming that integrity was 'beyond purchase' and voting no to Sevco being in the SPL I was looking to contribute a bit more than usual in the coming season.
However, having found that the whole thing has been a stitch up I'm afraid I won't be back at Easter Road this season. The money I was going to put into Hibs will most likely go to my dad's favourite team Partick Thistle although teams like Clyde and Raith Rovers seem to be worthy causes too.
I believe that Rod Petrie should resign from his position at Hibs as he has been part of gerrymandering and a threatening, bullying approach towards the SFL clubs, which quite frankly is utterly shameful to the good name of Hibernian Football Club.
I realise finances will be very tight and would like to wish all at Hibernian all the best.
It is with great sadness that the actions of Rod Petrie and his collusion with Doncaster and Regan have led me to not be able to support the club until mr Petrie resigns.
Yours sincerely
Do you know whether he carried out this duty (which he is employed to do, after all) under protest, or willingly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
If it's no compatible with the views he claims tae hold on sporting integrity then he should resign. Or is he only in favour of that if it disnae mean giving up his position otherwise he'll no bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonty
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Originally Posted by Bighoose
Given the apparent strength of feeling against newco on the part of the SFL clubs I could see the D1 clubs refusing to join an SPL2, so new huns would have no-one to play there. And despite the posturing I think the SPL chairmen know that to allow the newhuns back into the SPL now would be suicide.
He's involved and that's enough. Has he or any of the others involved with the SPL spoken out against the actions of doncaster and regan? Have I missed it? If they're no against it, they're for it and remaining silent disnae get them off the hook.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I am still unclear as to whether he even did what he was instructed to do. All we have is part of an email suggesting that he be asked to do it, and the story has grown from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Even if he did, the important issue for me is whether he did so willingly or not.