(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

I’m not a historian so I have no idea in regards to Hitlers speeches but I do know 2 American couples who vote for trump and they are perfectly normal (apart from carrying guns as they come from a rough area)

Half of America support trump. I do feel we overly judge him because our media portrays him so badly, but if he’s so bad, why do so many vote for him?


I was in Miami 2 years ago and not one person had English as their first language. I felt like I was in Mexico.

He is a narcissist and obviously fighting tooth and nail to get elected so he can pardon himself but his policies and rhetoric obviously appeal to a lot of normal Americans.

I hate him for what’s he’s done in Scotland and i hate him for his stance on Ukraine. I’d also laugh my arse off if he got jailed but all the hatred of him and all these court cases against him just peddle the deep state/conspiracy theatre narrative.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

I’m not a historian so I have no idea in regards to Hitlers speeches but I do know 2 American couples who vote for trump and they are perfectly normal (apart from carrying guns as they come from a rough area)

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Perfectly normal white supremacists.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

Half of America support trump. I do feel we overly judge him because our media portrays him so badly, but if he’s so bad, why do so many vote for him?

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Mostly our media portrays him as he is. He's portrayed as bad because that's what he is. Many vote for him because they are thick as ****, and they're white supremacists like he is.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

I was in Miami 2 years ago and not one person had English as their first language. I felt like I was in Mexico.

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Many native Americans don't have English as a first language. Welcome to real life. Assuming they do, or they should, is a racist position to take.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

He is a narcissist and obviously fighting tooth and nail to get elected so he can pardon himself but his policies and rhetoric obviously appeal to a lot of normal Americans.

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See above. They're as racist and stupid as he is. There is no "but" here.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

I hate him for what’s he’s done in Scotland and i hate him for his stance on Ukraine. I’d also laugh my arse off if he got jailed but all the hatred of him and all these court cases against him just peddle the deep state/conspiracy theatre narrative.

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Quite the most laughable thing you've said, in a laugh filled post.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

I’m not a historian so I have no idea in regards to Hitlers speeches but I do know 2 American couples who vote for trump and they are perfectly normal (apart from carrying guns as they come from a rough area)

Half of America support trump. I do feel we overly judge him because our media portrays him so badly, but if he’s so bad, why do so many vote for him?


I was in Miami 2 years ago and not one person had English as their first language. I felt like I was in Mexico.

He is a narcissist and obviously fighting tooth and nail to get elected so he can pardon himself but his policies and rhetoric obviously appeal to a lot of normal Americans.

I hate him for what’s he’s done in Scotland and i hate him for his stance on Ukraine. I’d also laugh my arse off if he got jailed but all the hatred of him and all these court cases against him just peddle the deep state/conspiracy theatre narrative.

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Simply wow

Miami sounds good, bet the food is banging if so many Hispanic Americans. He just sews devision and hatred and it works for him. Unless speaking Navajo or Cherikee then every language in America is that of immigrants

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

I’m not a historian so I have no idea in regards to Hitlers speeches but I do know 2 American couples who vote for trump and they are perfectly normal (apart from carrying guns as they come from a rough area)

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Look a bit harder.

(And you don't have to be a historian to have some awareness of Hitler's speeches.)

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

I’m not a historian so I have no idea in regards to Hitlers speeches but I do know 2 American couples who vote for trump and they are perfectly normal (apart from carrying guns as they come from a rough area)

Half of America support trump. I do feel we overly judge him because our media portrays him so badly, but if he’s so bad, why do so many vote for him?


I was in Miami 2 years ago and not one person had English as their first language. I felt like I was in Mexico.

He is a narcissist and obviously fighting tooth and nail to get elected so he can pardon himself but his policies and rhetoric obviously appeal to a lot of normal Americans.

I hate him for what’s he’s done in Scotland and i hate him for his stance on Ukraine. I’d also laugh my arse off if he got jailed but all the hatred of him and all these court cases against him just peddle the deep state/conspiracy theatre narrative.

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Everything he does or says is about division and hatred, goes on about building walls to keep out Mexicans, maybe start by giving their land back like Texas, New Mexico and large parts of California, all stolen from Mexico. He also goes on about immigrants, does he not realise that all Americans are immigrants except the native ones, also most Americans are thick and believe his BS.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

I’m not a historian so I have no idea in regards to Hitlers speeches but I do know 2 American couples who vote for trump and they are perfectly normal (apart from carrying guns as they come from a rough area)

Half of America support trump. I do feel we overly judge him because our media portrays him so badly, but if he’s so bad, why do so many vote for him?


I was in Miami 2 years ago and not one person had English as their first language. I felt like I was in Mexico.

He is a narcissist and obviously fighting tooth and nail to get elected so he can pardon himself but his policies and rhetoric obviously appeal to a lot of normal Americans.

I hate him for what’s he’s done in Scotland and i hate him for his stance on Ukraine. I’d also laugh my arse off if he got jailed but all the hatred of him and all these court cases against him just peddle the deep state/conspiracy theatre narrative.

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When you tell people that they would be better off if it weren’t for *them*, it’s *their* fault that you don’t have more, that *they* are the cause of all your problems, some people will be taken in by that rhetoric and/or choose not to look at the evidence to the contrary. When you follow that up with ‘vote for me, follow me, I’ll make sure these *bad people* are stopped from what they do, and your life will automatically get better’, it appeals to many of them.

You can substitute *them* with whichever group fits the purpose - for Trump he blames Mexicans and immigrants, Hitler blamed the Jews and other groups deemed inferior and undesirable, the tories blamed the EU, and now ‘the boats’ and illegal immigrants.

Whether you’re telling the truth doesn’t really matter, once you’ve taken power, you do what you want and keep blaming *them*. Look at brexit, it’s been the disaster that it was widely described as the likeliest outcome, we’re all demonstrably worse off in a number of ways, but the tories still blame the EU, despite being warned of what would happen and ignoring the fact that brexit was wholly instigated and enacted by the UK, not the EU.

Watergate is considered to be a massive political scandal in the US. Trump has carried out far worse as a presidential candidate, incumbent and potential candidate, and is clearly a horrible human being. Yet Nixon is still deemed to be a dark point of presidential history, and trump is a popular and likely candidate, legal issues notwithstanding. Because he tells a significant proportion of the populace that he’s the one to stop *them*, and they’re disillusioned enough to listen. Even though almost everything coming out his mouth isn’t just a pack of lies, they can be easily proven to be lies.

The way the likes of trump and Johnson tell lies publicly in the highest offices, blatantly ignore laws when it suits them, and ride roughshod over centuries of protocol and constitution, is absolutely despicable.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

I’m not a historian so I have no idea in regards to Hitlers speeches but I do know 2 American couples who vote for trump and they are perfectly normal (apart from carrying guns as they come from a rough area)

Half of America support trump. I do feel we overly judge him because our media portrays him so badly, but if he’s so bad, why do so many vote for him?


I was in Miami 2 years ago and not one person had English as their first language. I felt like I was in Mexico.

He is a narcissist and obviously fighting tooth and nail to get elected so he can pardon himself but his policies and rhetoric obviously appeal to a lot of normal Americans.

I hate him for what’s he’s done in Scotland and i hate him for his stance on Ukraine. I’d also laugh my arse off if he got jailed but all the hatred of him and all these court cases against him just peddle the deep state/conspiracy theatre narrative.

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Maybe they like him because their chosen media portrays him as a good guy.


No one in Miami speaks English? Really? Even if some people do speak Spanish, what's your problem with that?

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Originally Posted by J-C

Everything he does or says is about division and hatred, goes on about building walls to keep out Mexicans, maybe start by giving their land back like Texas, New Mexico and large parts of California, all stolen from Mexico. He also goes on about immigrants, does he not realise that all Americans are immigrants except the native ones, also most Americans are thick and believe his BS.

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Even the native Americans are immigrants from Asia if you go back far enough.

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Originally Posted by overdrive

Even the native Americans are immigrants from Asia if you go back far enough.

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A Steppe too far. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

A Steppe too far. :wink:

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One steppe beyond? Madness.

I’m not advocating for trump, I despise the guy and he’s a threat to democracy and just about everything you can think off.

I hope he ends up in jail but it’s good to understand both sides of the arguement in situation in life.

We have no idea what daily life is like in America, but obviously people vote for him. They’re not all white supremacists, right wing nut cases.

To label all trump supporters that, also makes you an extremist as you’re unwilling to listen to any other argument rather than your own.

I listened to trump’s speech and most of the things he’s whipping up outrage about is to sage his own skin.

I vote SNP and for independence but I can see why people vote for the Tories.

I have a house in france and voted to stay in the EU but I fully understood why people voted to leave.

The only think where I don’t listen to any debate is about Putin and Russia and jambos

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

We have no idea what daily life is like in America, but obviously people vote for him. They’re not all white supremacists, right wing nut cases. To label all trump supporters that, also makes you an extremist as you’re unwilling to listen to any other argument rather than your own.

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I'm perfectly willing to listen to other viewpoints. I've seen no argument that demonstrates that his supporters are anything other than white supremacist redneck racists. Or perhaps they're just very very stupid.

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I have a house in france and voted to stay in the EU but I fully understood why people voted to leave.

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Lucky you. I too understand why people voted to leave. In the main it's because they were stupid xenophobic racists who wanted to see less brown people in Sainsbury's. Plus they were too stupid to realise that they were being lied to on a grand scale by Gove and Farage and Johnson and the other ******* liars.

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I have a house in france and voted to stay in the EU but I fully understood why people voted to leave.

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Great. Maybe you could explain those reasons.

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I'm perfectly willing to listen to other viewpoints. I've seen no argument that demonstrates that his supporters are anything other than white supremacist redneck racists. Or perhaps they're just very very stupid.


Lucky you. I too understand why people voted to leave. In the main it's because they were stupid xenophobic racists who wanted to see less brown people in Sainsbury's. Plus they were too stupid to realise that they were being lied to on a grand scale by Gove and Farage and Johnson and the other ******* liars.

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So I’m sure Bill Foley is a republican and if Trump gets the nomination and Foley votes for the republicans does that make him a stupid xenophobic racist?

You simply cannot tar all trump supporters as that, it’s absurd.

Again, I stress I’m not sticking up for Trump because I’m not.

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I'm perfectly willing to listen to other viewpoints. I've seen no argument that demonstrates that his supporters are anything other than white supremacist redneck racists. Or perhaps they're just very very stupid.


Lucky you. I too understand why people voted to leave. In the main it's because they were stupid xenophobic racists who wanted to see less brown people in Sainsbury's. Plus they were too stupid to realise that they were being lied to on a grand scale by Gove and Farage and Johnson and the other ******* liars.

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I don’t know how to do the split answers thing 🤣

No doubt Brexit was driven by illegal immigration and lies from Boris Johnson & Co.

Also Boris was never a leave voter. He calculated that by being the head of Brexit would give him the best chance of being PM, a gamble which paid off.

Unfortunately the rise of UKIP was stealing voters from the Tories so David Cameron granted the referendum. Ultimately it was Farage that caused that decision.

So yes I agree the majority who voted for Brexit were racists who purely voted to stop immigration but there are some who voted because they disagree with a lot of things the European Parliament do and what it is becoming.

Again, to label people who voted leave as xenophobic and racist is rather extremist and not for me.

Why can’t people just have a balanced debate nowadays without being either 100% yes or no. It’s why politics is becoming so toxic because it’s either them or us, black or white.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

because they disagree with a lot of things the European Parliament do and what it is becoming.

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Which things do it and which things was it becoming?

Why didn't they push to change the EP to change, we had a vote, from within rather than throw a quite healthy baby out just because the bath water was a bit grimy?

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Why can’t people just have a balanced debate nowadays without being either 100% yes or no. It’s why politics is becoming so toxic because it’s either them or us, black or white.

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Who don't you think is most guilty of pushing toxicity in debate?

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Where's Leroy Jethro Gibbs when you need him?

I believe the question was, why do people vote for Trump?.... so here's my take on it.

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Many people vote Trump because they want to believe what he says.

Trump has absolutely no interest in, or concern for, ordinary people yet they somehow believe he's going to 'Drain The Swamp' of Wall Street. He didn't make one single step to doing that during his first four years. On the contrary, he IS the swamp of Wall St.

The far-right sees a man who refused to condemn them and said 'there's good people on both sides'.

The Evangelical Christians vote for him largely because he filled the supreme court with judges that give them what they want, like the attacks on women's rights to abortion.

The closed minded racists imagine an America of English speaking white Europeans and listen to his talk of 'building a wall' on the Mexican border and stopping those Spanish speaking darker skinned people from 'invading' their country.

The rich and the middle classes see a man who wants to reduce the tax that they pay, no matter how that affects the poorer working classes or the environment.

The vast majority of his followers still believe the last election was stolen, despite all the evidence to the contrary, so should we really be thinking of them as 'ordinary, decent people'?

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The closed minded racists imagine an America of English speaking white Europeans and listen to his talk of 'building a wall' on the Mexican border and stopping those Spanish speaking darker skinned people from 'invading' their country.

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Too late for Miami. Apparently.



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Which things do it and which things was it becoming?

Why didn't they push to change the EP to change, we had a vote, from within rather than throw a quite healthy baby out just because the bath water was a bit grimy?

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David Cameron did push the EP to change and they didn’t, which is why he then had the referendum

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I don’t know how to do the split answers thing 🤣

No doubt Brexit was driven by illegal immigration and lies from Boris Johnson & Co.

Also Boris was never a leave voter. He calculated that by being the head of Brexit would give him the best chance of being PM, a gamble which paid off.

Unfortunately the rise of UKIP was stealing voters from the Tories so David Cameron granted the referendum. Ultimately it was Farage that caused that decision.

So yes I agree the majority who voted for Brexit were racists who purely voted to stop immigration but there are some who voted because they disagree with a lot of things the European Parliament do and what it is becoming.

Again, to label people who voted leave as xenophobic and racist is rather extremist and not for me.

Why can’t people just have a balanced debate nowadays without being either 100% yes or no. It’s why politics is becoming so toxic because it’s either them or us, black or white.

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So, it’s not for you to label leave voters as racist… one sentence after you labelled the majority of them as… racists?

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David Cameron did push the EP to change and they didn’t, which is why he then had the referendum

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That's too simplistic, and you're conflating a Tory PMs adversorial attitude towards particular issues with pushing for meaningful political and structural change within the EU.

If you don't want simplistic polarised political discussions you shouldn't really boil issues down to simplistic and mistaken statements - that's exactly what leads polarisation.

Nuance, content and some objectivity help.

(See also "no one in Miami speaks English".)

So what were the valid concerns re-the EU?

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and i bet he still insists he's never met her :hilarious

The reason trump was elected and somehow might be elected again is simple. It’s Because in a country of 335 million people the best the democrats choose to put up against him is Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

Much like British politics the American public get to choose between absolute fools. I’m sure politicians have never been great but the choices on the ballot in the USA and Britain have never been worse.

Americans are a different breed to us in terms of nationalism and the middle ground voters are more likely to swing to the alternative when one choice is weak as piss, and when the alternative is as useless as Biden it really won’t surprise me one bit if trump wins the election.

The Biden government couldn’t have picked a worse time to take a seemingly soft stance on border control which will play massively into Trumps hands.

Scary times regarding the war in Ukraine.

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The reason trump was elected and somehow might be elected again is simple. It’s Because in a country of 335 million people the best the democrats choose to put up against him is Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

Much like British politics the American public get to choose between absolute fools. I’m sure politicians have never been great but the choices on the ballot in the USA and Britain have never been worse.

Americans are a different breed to us in terms of nationalism and the middle ground voters are more likely to swing to the alternative when one choice is weak as piss, and when the alternative is as useless as Biden it really won’t surprise me one bit if trump wins the election.

The Biden government couldn’t have picked a worse time to take a seemingly soft stance on border control which will play massively into Trumps hands.

Scary times regarding the war in Ukraine.

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It’s republicans who are holding up the bill on border security.


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Here's a pretty good summary of Trump: https://x.com/JohnOBrennan2/status/1...390016638?s=20

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The reason trump was elected and somehow might be elected again is simple. It’s Because in a country of 335 million people the best the democrats choose to put up against him is Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

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Yeah, it's quite sad, isn't it.

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Here's a pretty good summary of Trump: https://x.com/JohnOBrennan2/status/1...390016638?s=20

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From the former husband of the woman who coined the phrase 'alternative facts' on Trump's behalf.