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27-07-2021, 11:27 AM
ronaldo7

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

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Having worked as a union rep for the same company under UK and then German contract, I've seen first hand the difference in terms and conditions available for employees. In Germany it's understood that unions are merely a means of bridging the gap in power between employer and employee. The system here works because of the works council laws. A German company can't fart without getting the blessing to do so from the works council and the works council needs to be informed about any changes to anything in the planning stage of these changes. Those elected to the works council have special protection and basically can only be fired for murder, they also work on eye level with the management board and are entitled to the same perks, if management get provided with a Ferrari as company car, then so do the works council. For a British company navigating its way through German labour laws it's hard to accept but it actually works really well and ensures the people that work in a company actually have a voice in what happens and employee exploitation is rare as bad practices are nipped in the bud rather than corrected retrospectively. This balance is missing in the UK IMO and all the aces lie with the employer.

We tried to get our company to look at this method of working together, and to introduce works councils all over the UK. They declined, and introduced quality circles which were formalised in Japan as a way to get productivity up. They were quite happy to have the workforce look at how to improve the production lines, but not so much improvements in the Bothies or work wear. That changed a bit when the participation fell away after the first few months, and when people saw how much work had to be put into the Kiazen charts.
27-07-2021, 05:01 PM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

We tried to get our company to look at this method of working together, and to introduce works councils all over the UK. They declined, and introduced quality circles which were formalised in Japan as a way to get productivity up. They were quite happy to have the workforce look at how to improve the production lines, but not so much improvements in the Bothies or work wear. That changed a bit when the participation fell away after the first few months, and when people saw how much work had to be put into the Kiazen charts.

We had a similar situation pre German contracts. The company asked for volunteers to join a works team that would have the right to consultation on company matters but not co-determination. As expected it just turned into a way for the company to get the volunteers to do their dirty work for them.
27-07-2021, 10:54 PM
Hibrandenburg

I got asked this question tonight by a Danish neighbour, what tangible or measurable improvement to everyday life has Brexit brought to the UK? I couldn't think of any. Maybe a Brexit voting member could help me answer this question, just one will do.
28-07-2021, 08:08 AM
Killiehibbie

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I got asked this question tonight by a Danish neighbour, what tangible or measurable improvement to everyday life has Brexit brought to the UK? I couldn't think of any. Maybe a Brexit voting member could help me answer this question, just one will do.

Don't hold your breath
28-07-2021, 08:09 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I got asked this question tonight by a Danish neighbour, what tangible or measurable improvement to everyday life has Brexit brought to the UK? I couldn't think of any. Maybe a Brexit voting member could help me answer this question, just one will do.

Support for independence is up?

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28-07-2021, 08:10 AM
Crunchie

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I got asked this question tonight by a Danish neighbour, what tangible or measurable improvement to everyday life has Brexit brought to the UK? I couldn't think of any. Maybe a Brexit voting member could help me answer this question, just one will do.

99% of the population will have seen no tangible difference either way and I very much doubt anyone thought there would be in such a short period of time. Ask me in a years time and I'll let you know. It's all about the feel good factor atm for me knowing I was on the winning team, a bit like winning at Tynecastle :greengrin
28-07-2021, 08:13 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

99% of the population will have seen no tangible difference either way and I very much doubt anyone thought there would be in such a short period of time. Ask me in a years time and I'll let you know. It's all about the feel good factor atm for me knowing I was on the winning team, a bit like winning at Tynecastle :greengrin

A bit like winning at Tynecastle in a season you get relegated?

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28-07-2021, 08:16 AM
Crunchie

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

A bit like winning at Tynecastle in a season you get relegated?

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These Great British Isles face a great future together while the EU block will crumble like a pack of cards, that's my honest opinion. Time will tell who is right :aok:
28-07-2021, 08:27 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

99% of the population will have seen no tangible difference either way and I very much doubt anyone thought there would be in such a short period of time. Ask me in a years time and I'll let you know. It's all about the feel good factor atm for me knowing I was on the winning team, a bit like winning at Tynecastle :greengrin

So that's a no then.
28-07-2021, 08:32 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Killiehibbie

Don't hold your breath

You'd think there would be at least 1 thing 6 years after the vote to leave.
28-07-2021, 08:32 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Support for independence is up?

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Think you need to read the question again Oz :greengrin
28-07-2021, 08:35 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

These Great British Isles face a great future together while the EU block will crumble like a pack of cards, that's my honest opinion. Time will tell who is right :aok:

So the thought of the EU crashing (it won't) is what lights up your day? That's incredibly sad.
28-07-2021, 08:35 AM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I got asked this question tonight by a Danish neighbour, what tangible or measurable improvement to everyday life has Brexit brought to the UK? I couldn't think of any. Maybe a Brexit voting member could help me answer this question, just one will do.

Blue (black?) passports. What do I win?
28-07-2021, 08:36 AM
Kato

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I got asked this question tonight by a Danish neighbour, what tangible or measurable improvement to everyday life has Brexit brought to the UK? I couldn't think of any. Maybe a Brexit voting member could help me answer this question, just one will do.

It'll take 50 years, according to Jabob Rees-Taxdodge, before us ordinary people feel the benefits of Brexit.

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28-07-2021, 08:37 AM
Crunchie

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

So that's a no then.

Does my inner happiness count?
28-07-2021, 08:38 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

Does my inner happiness count?

Is it tangible or measurable?
28-07-2021, 08:41 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Blue (black?) passports. What do I win?

Nowt, the new passports are inferior to the previous ones. Go stand in the corner.
28-07-2021, 08:42 AM
Crunchie

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

So the thought of the EU crashing (it won't) is what lights up your day? That's incredibly sad.

That's quite funny coming from you :faf:. Like the majority of British people I wish the best for this country, you on the other hand you hope it all goes tits up, now that's sad .

Your forefathers would be so proud of you :aok:
28-07-2021, 08:44 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

That's quite funny coming from you :faf:. Like the majority of British people I wish the best for this country, you on the other hand you hope it all goes tits up, now that's sad .

Your forefathers would be so proud of you :aok:

Nope, try again. I'm pretty sure it's going tits up, that's not the same as wishing it to.
28-07-2021, 08:46 AM
Just Alf

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I got asked this question tonight by a Danish neighbour, what tangible or measurable improvement to everyday life has Brexit brought to the UK? I couldn't think of any. Maybe a Brexit voting member could help me answer this question, just one will do.

Funnily enough a French girl at my work asked similar the other day.

We all ended up in a wide ranging conversation about it.....

Covid Vaccine - the UK went alone - We did that while part of the EU under existing EU rules, other countries have since done similar (Poland etc)

Own Food standards - we can do our own thing... reality is that as long as we don't go for poorer standards it makes no difference, Northern Ireland is a great example, currently our standards align to the EU's so we can move food across the border with no issues, IF we decide to reduce standards we will have a problem. Our Government is on a point of principle, rejecting the agreement to continue as now until some time in future when standards might diverge.

Immigration - we already had some control over permanent immigration from the EU, we just never used it, that said almost our whole issue with immigration lies outside the EU and nothing has changed in that respect, it's arguably worse as the information sharing process with mainland Europe is now more convoluted since the UK authorities lost a lot of direct access to information systems.

Trading Agreements - we can make our own on better terms - every single agreement made to date is either on the same terms as the EU or resulting in us having to give concessions which undermines our own industries

New Export Opportunities - Well. as our fish processors have found out, it's now so hard and time consuming to ship live shellfish etc to France/Spain they can do it easier and more cheaply to a hotel in Taiwan (as an example!). So THAT's a positive :rolleyes:

We won't be part of a EU defence force - True, but there wasn't one on the cards in the way people were trying to say and before we had a veto anyway, now we don't have a voice.

Turkey Joining the EU - wont impact us - They were miles away from joining, and of course our veto etc etc....

There's bound to be something tangible that is actually positive just no one's ever told me!
28-07-2021, 08:47 AM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

These Great British Isles face a great future together while the EU block will crumble like a pack of cards, that's my honest opinion. Time will tell who is right :aok:

:faf: Humour on a grey morning. :top marks
28-07-2021, 08:52 AM
Crunchie

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Nope, try again. I'm pretty sure it's going tits up, that's not the same as wishing it to.

I said it was my opinion about the EU but you managed to twist my words, show me where I said I wished anything. Whilst you're searching I'm off to enjoy the great British weather :aok:
28-07-2021, 08:53 AM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I got asked this question tonight by a Danish neighbour, what tangible or measurable improvement to everyday life has Brexit brought to the UK? I couldn't think of any. Maybe a Brexit voting member could help me answer this question, just one will do.

Not done the calculation to know exactly how many bottles I'd have to drink to get the full benefit, but apparently I'm £130 million better off if I drink wine.
28-07-2021, 09:34 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

I said it was my opinion about the EU but you managed to twist my words, show me where I said I wished anything. Whilst you're searching I'm off to enjoy the great British weather :aok:

Eh, you're the one who said I hoped the UK would fail. I think you might be onto something with the weather though, it does seem to have improved after Brexit.
28-07-2021, 09:36 AM
Just Alf

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Eh, you're the one who said I hoped the UK would fail. I think you might be onto something with the weather though, it does seem to have improved after Brexit.

THAT'S Climate change, not Brexit! :rules:
28-07-2021, 09:37 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Not done the calculation to know exactly how many bottles I'd have to drink to get the full benefit, but apparently I'm £130 million better off if I drink wine.

So more money saved by reducing quality standards. Tim Martin will be pleased. :wink:
28-07-2021, 09:47 AM
StevieC

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

99% of the population will have seen no tangible difference either way and I very much doubt anyone thought there would be in such a short period of time. Ask me in a years time and I'll let you know. It's all about the feel good factor atm for me knowing I was on the winning team, a bit like winning at Tynecastle :greengrin

There is absolutely no way that 99% will have seen no difference. I’ve had issues with a number of things, both work related and personally. I can’t believe that I’m the only one.
Work wise I’ve had difficulty buying equipment, and prices have risen for a lot of the items I buy.
Personally I’ve found that some items I’ve bought (mostly motorbike parts) have been subjected to delays and additional import taxes.
28-07-2021, 10:09 AM
Bostonhibby

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I got asked this question tonight by a Danish neighbour, what tangible or measurable improvement to everyday life has Brexit brought to the UK? I couldn't think of any. Maybe a Brexit voting member could help me answer this question, just one will do.

Fat, elderly, bald headed blokes usually called Baz, Trev or Nige who wear badly fitting england tops get to fly union Jack's out their window?

Some of them are even the right way up

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28-07-2021, 10:10 AM
degenerated

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Blue (black?) passports. What do I win?

A great British haggis
28-07-2021, 12:11 PM
Ozyhibby

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