If you were making a world select would you really have Ben White in it? Or even on the bench? He is a good player but for me not at the level where I would pick him in a world select.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
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If you were making a world select would you really have Ben White in it? Or even on the bench? He is a good player but for me not at the level where I would pick him in a world select.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
He wouldn't even make a premier league 11 never mind a world 11. Which is why it's silly to suggest he's world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allant1981
No, possibly not, but in a 60 game season, with his ability to play full back and centre back to a high level, he'd be in any squad in the world in my opinion. Considering that's reality and a world select isn't, that's what I'd base it on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allant1981
There really aren't that many full backs over him. Trent, Cancelo and Hakimi are great going forward but poorer defensively than White. Reece James is fantastic but really toiling with injury. Kyle Walker is the only one I'd say for sure is better, mainly because he is faster but I don't think he's quite as good on the ball. There aren't guys like Philip Lahm and Dani Alves right now.
So there are only 11 world class players in the premier league?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Let's say Allison is the goalie. Sure, we can say he's the best quite clearly. Walker at right back, yeah.
And then it completely falls to bits. Because there are about 8 world class central defenders in that league. Van Dijk, Dias, Gvardiol, Gabriel, Saliba, Romero, Varane if he can stay fit, even old Thiago Silva can still ball on his day.
Dreadful logic. I'm speaking over a 60 game season, not a daft premier League 11.
I keep getting called silly and told he wouldn't make a X or y best 11. Not one bit of input on his ability or weaknesses. Tells me no one is actually watching the guy.
Ok, to use your silly logic he wouldn't even be in a premier league select squad. All the guys you've listed and more would be ahead of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
You're actually arguing against your own logic. I'm guessing you're an Arsenal fan with this chat.
You don't still think he's a central defender do you? :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
He isn't competing against them. He's competing against Walker, James, Trent, and Trippier. And he does that very well.
I called Allison world class. I'm also a Liverpool fan. I called Walker world class, I also support City. Genius you are honestly.
Any team in the premier League takes Ben White in their squad imo. And yes, he gets into a realistic premier league select too. The depth he offers is only offered by a couple others.
Kyle Walker and Reece James are world class right backs. Ben White is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
If you're not able to see that there's nothing really more to add. Enjoy your day.
You have only listed premier league full backs there(except the retired guys) I'd also include trippier in your list but would you have him in front of carvajal, Pavard, calabria to name another few? For me I wouldn't but its all about opinionsQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
If you aren't able to offer one iota of input on his game, you'll continue to be ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Have a cracking Sunday.
World Class should be reserved for players like Cafu,Alves,Zanetti,Thuram,Lahm etc…to have Ben White in that same category is just absurd 😂
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Originally Posted by Willis1875
Absolutely, thats fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis1875
There are currently zero world class fullbacks then.
In terms of the ones that are currently the best in the world, White is one of them.
Credit to you for actually knowing a bit about football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allant1981
Great players all of those guys. White competes with them all IMO. Pavard is currently playing central defense because he had a bit of a tantrum at Bayern and refused to train because he didn't want to play fullback. First ever Bayern player to refuse to train. Not a guy I want in my squad tbh.
Tripper is very good, and can play 2 positions like White. Brilliant crosser. Not as good defensively IMO.
I wish you would ignore me to be honest. You have a need to always have the last word on every thread every single time, it's weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I'm sure you'll prove me right.
Feel free to keep chatting mate, I'm happy to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
You might even offer something other than than ''he wouldn't make a world 11''. One step away from telling me his FIFA rating.
Add in Kieran Trippier and that's 3 in front of him so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
He’s a good player. That’s why he plays regularly at Arsenal. That doesn’t make him world class though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Xhaka was a key player at Arsenal for years. He was never world class either though.
You can be solid and dependable, without being a superstar. White is very good defensively, but that’s not all that a full back has to be in modern football.
All about opinions though. I just don’t think those who aren’t fans of Arsenal would see it the same way as you.
Fair points.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
It is a bit kinda lazy to say white isn't good offensively. He has the most overlapping runs of any premier League full back so far this season. His ability on the ball is brilliant. Great passer, understands his role perfectly. Arsenal play without a left back overlapping and part of that is because White and Saka cause so much havoc down the other side. He's a lot more than solid and dependable. He's a vital player, basically the only one who never rotates along with Saka. He's first name on the team sheet really.
How does he fare with assists or xA? Playing in a high possession team, it doesn’t surprise me he’s overlapping, but what’s he doing with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I dinnae watch all arsenals games, but it’s rare I don’t see every EPL games highlights at least. I don’t see White as an attacking unit at all.
7.5k waiting list my arse
Perfect start.
They always seem to lose a goal in the first few mins :greengrin
Yep couple of thousand empty seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Haha they couldn't sell all there tickets, massive gaps, all this we will sell all the tickets so cant give Celtic or Rangers a larger amount just a myth.
Early days but I hope this is a rout.
7500 on the waiting list though.
At least the 10K fans on the waiting list who chose to sit this one out won't have had to sit through that goal.
Peach of a goal for Celtic
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Laughable
They actually believe that tae , Deluded
Yup, be good if they matched our scoreline or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Tiny half empty 😆 big team of course 🤣